I've used this point several times recently.  

1)  How many babies have been murdered by a "doctor"?  On the day 20 children were killed by a gun how many hundreds if not thousands were aborted?

2)  If we're talking about banning  guns to save lives then it's time to ban ALCOHOL.

Please post some short arguments to get the stupid liberals to STFU.

lately ive been going with "Fuck you"

"Each year, approximately 5,000 persons under the age of 21 die from causes related to underage drinking."  Are you holding alcohol producers responsible?  Are you actively boycotting these products?  Are you demanding legislation reform to prevent 5,000 deaths next year?  Have you or someone you know ever driven under the influence of drugs or alcohol?
(http://report.nih.gov/NIHfactsheets/ViewFactSheet.aspx?csid=21)

"We can talk about when I get to limit your 1st ammendment rights based on misinformation and ignorance."

I'm having a hard enough time keeping my guns.  I've already quit smoking.  Now you want to start whipping up liberal outrage over alcohol?  You DO know that we once had alcohol prohibition in this country, right?  And they amended the Constitution to do it, too.  You need to leave this off your list when talking to liberals because I don't want to live in land ruled by teetotalers.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The first amendment pertains to freedom of religion.  If gun rights are being constricted or removed, perhaps you would enjoy being forced to attend a pagan/islamic/christian/insert whatever is not theirs/ church.  Not only should you be forced to practice a religion against your beliefs, but doing otherwise would be illegal and worthy of imprisonment.

When a patient dies on the operating table, does the family sue the operating table maker?  It seems that with so many dying on tables and in hospital beds, that tables and beds should be banned.

Your delusional if you think ideological opposites listen to that and change their mind or believe you are right.

this is my latest FB post:

Lest we forget...

In 1938 Germany passed sweeping Gun Laws and bans on the ownership of firearms, this is what came next.

Don't argue with them.  Turn their emotions on them.  Play with their narcissism.

"You mean you don't own a gun?  What a tool!"

Logic and reason will have no effect on emotion.  So you must turn their own emotions against them.

ETA:  to change their minds you must create self doubt.  Only emotion can do that.  Treat them as lesser beings, not worthy to be called men.  Don't get angry at them, don't lose your cool, treat them with the pity they'd apply to a mentally handicapped person.  Treat them like children.

No, I don't actively blurt this information, nor do I wish to have alcohol outlawed.  These are simply facts and talking points that show we have much larger issues (and arguably easier to control) than guns.  Please also note the statistic is for underage drinking.

Your point is well received however, and maybe my approach needs to be centered more around how firearms are commonly used for lawful recreation and self-defense purposes.  

your wasting your time. the only thing that registers with these people, is when someone actually tries to kill them, or someone close to them, and they realize they are not actually safe. they make all their decisions based on emotions. facts are worthless. heres what i posted to all the wailing women on the dicks website, as they cheered dicks for cutting ar sales, and the calls for why do you need a ar-15? your a coward if you have or need one, your not a real man, blah blah..

also...important decisions should be made on facts, and not emotions. i see very few people here, ESPECIALLY the women, operating on facts. The ones who are, i respect you very much, the emotional ones, well, im sure your lives are filled with bad emotion based decisions anyway, whats one more?

Not the point.  If it's a publicly accessible forum where more than two people can see it, then it's a billboard for gun rights.  This is why it's important to be polite, calm, and rational, and is even more effective if their responses are as emotional and uninformed as they usually are.

There is absolutely no reason that a car should be able to go faster than 70 mph.  And yet, thousands die each year from excess speed, many of them children.

Edit- I'm not saying I want a mechanical limiter on cars.

I talk about the time me and a P225 intervened in a domestic violence situation (I was just taking out the trash). Our tiny blonde neighbor had three ribs broken by her Marine ex-boyfriend.
I ask them if they'd rather we'd been beaten to death by that guy. Or should I have just abandoned her and gone home? Of course, the cops took 10 minutes to get there.

It's a good story and also true. But any of you guys can use it if you like and modify it as necessary. They lie, so why can't we?

They like alcohol too much to give it up, and banning alcohol is more of a Republican thing to do.  Alcohol's not going anywhere.  An argument that shows them how dangerous common objects or substances are is an effective one, and if they inexplicably TRIED to ban alcohol it would be an instant win for Republicans.

Used this line one someone stating that we shouldnt be allowed to carry guns and they cause more harm than good.

The "first responders" to any incident are going to be those who are their to begin with. If they have the means to defend themselves they greatly increase the chance of a better outcome than if they have to wait for someone to come provide that for them. It is like a fire in say the kitchen, if you catch it quick and arm youself with a fire extinguisher you can usually solve the problem and minimize the damage. If you have to wait and call the fire department and they show up in 10 or 15 minutes even though they have better equipment and are trained for the job at hand the damage from that fire will be worse as it had that 10 or 15 minutes to burn on its own.

"Because suck my dick!"

I've already told some left wing relatives that my sporting rifles have killed less than their liberal sponsored abortion clinics.............crass and insensitive I know, but it was in response to their "how do you feel about being an NRA member now"?

I like the fire extinguisher analogy.
I sincerely wonder if any of those children could have been saved if any of the school staff were armed, even with non-lethal devices.

Never argue. Your position is not up for debate. You are right and you know it.

I generally stick with this.

I just don't give a fuck about trying to argue with retards anymore.

If you need to talk about it, don't argue statistics. Don't explain yourself. Certainly never apologize. These are all tells of being on defense and not having frame control.

I agree with both of you, but this is (in my opinion) exactly how Obama won the last election.

Media, social media, friends, family, publications, stupid online polls all influence a human's decision.  This is why commercials exist.
I can appreciate the attitude to not give a fuck and not argue, but if that is your approach don't be surprised when there is new legislation limiting gun rights (or whatever the topic at hand).

"I didn't kill anybody.  Neither did 80 million other people.  Why do you want to punish us?"

You're going to change someone's mind about guns, by switching the topic to abortion?  That's a very safe topic to inject into a conversation.

me, too.
and by "lately", i mean "my entire adult life".

Logic won't work.  The bleating will drown you out.

Enhance this. If you choke, you only have a few minutes to live. That's why people learn the Heimlich maneuver.

If an assailant starts shooting, you have roughly the same amount of time to live. What will you do about it?

The 2nd Ammendment is there to ensure tyranny does not become the rule of law.  It's to defend against corrupt tyrannical government.

The Libs love the rebels in Syria who ARE USING GUNS to fight a tyrannical dictator, just like rebels did in Libya- another place the Libs loved the rebels.

North Korea doesn't have rebels because the people CAN'T GET GUNS.  The only crime we know of in North Korea is PERPETRATED BY THEIR GOVERNMENT. Political dissent in North Korea is punished with internment and firing squads BECAUSE THE PEOPLE CAN'T GET GUNS.

Harry Belafonte wants dissenters here interned in prison and Al Sharpton thinks it's funny!   Without the 2nd Ammendment, Harry Belafont's wish would eventually become a reality.

SLAVES IN AMERICA WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS SO THEY WOULD REMAIN SLAVES!!!  
During reconstruction, Southern Democrats passed Jim Crowe laws to keep guns out of the hands of freed slaves.  
The slaves were held in bondage by the Confederate (Democrat) Government of the South.  They were freed by the Republican Government of the North who fought a costly civil war to do so.

The Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves. Men with guns did.

I've been going with two lines of argument.



"Admit it, you don't really care about the dead children, this is just another excuse for you to attack a civil right you don't approve of."



or



"The problem isn't that there are guns in schools.  The problem is that the wrong people are the only ones with guns in schools."



David

Send them here:

http://a-human-right.com/

I figure most Anti-gun types are completely ignorant about gun, I just say "it's ok to be affraid of something you have no no practical knowledge, it just shows how you allow yourself to led around on a short leash and told what to think. If you want to learn something, go to a gun shop and ask question, but to protest out of iggnorance or misinformation is dissapointing, as a friend I thought you were smarter than that."

People who are scared of motorcycles think they should be banned cause they are dangerous and an impractical way of transportation, partially do to the may youtubers that do stupid shit on them, I personally loved the motorcycle I had when I was in the Navy, unfortunatly someone liked it more than me and forgot to ask if they could have it, some people.

I don't know all the facts, and I probably never will cause there are too many people that want to hide too much about recent events (just incase, im talking about Newtown) and how it could have been avoided, I have grown up around guns all my life, my father was a deputy sheriff part time in CA and TX while I was in grade school and in highschool, We had a safe in our house, one with a nice big combination on it, and let me tell you that safe is heavy. If the mother of this disturbed person (I only say disturbed because I can't fathom any sane moral person on their worst day thinking these actions were justified or warranted in any way) had the proper means to lock these weapons so as to keep them out of the hands of somoene I can only imagine as being mentally challened, then she has gotten what she deserves, it is her fault.

A gun is merley a tool used for good or bad, but none the less a tool, just like a car or scapal a surgion would weild, to give it anything other than is to say it has feelings and right too and shoudl be able a US citizen if it were made produced or manufactured in the US. Just sounds ludicris to me to think an inanimate object is capable of doing anything other than it's intended purpose, offensively or defensivley, and the fact there are people in this world that wich or are capable of harming another human being only strenghtens my resolve that we as humans have the right, andthe duty to protect ourselves.

My dad told me once that the most common phrases a cop hears in his career is "Why Me?" or "Where Were YOU!". That alone says more that we need more guns in this country than by giving up our right to self-defense for a false sense of security.

We MUST beat the Alcohol drum incessently (sp?)  FTR- I enjoy drinking and shooting

The parallels are absolutely perfect.

Why do you need a 30 round mag?  Why do you need 80 proof alcohol?

Have you studied the history of prhibition and the 18th and 21st amendments?  Do you not understand that at the time well meaning conservatives pushed the nation to prohibition "for our own good."?  Do you not know that prohibition was a disaster and that millions of responsible working class people were denied a cold beer while the rich bought out every liquor store in sight and enjoyed their "private stock" since personal consumption was still allowed on anyhting produced pre-ban?

Do you not know that the effects of acohol on our culture are far more devastating and costly than gun ownership and not a single life has ever been saved because somebody had a concealed beer?

Do you not know that the deadlies school killing in our history didn't involve a gun?

You say guns make mass murder possible as opposed to just the 1 or 2 that are killed in a DUI incident...so it's not possible for a drunk to head on a school bus?  Has that never happend?  So you are ok with children cowering in their rooms as their abusive, drunk father beats the crap out of their mother...again...because alcohol is just to easily available? Because we insist on having hard liquor?

So, you are OK with no "assualt weapons" or 30 round magazines? I guess pump shotguns with 8 rounds of buckshot is ok then?

You ask me if I would feel the same had it been my child killed.   Without a doubt, YES.  My principles guide my life, not my emotions/grief.  I also happen to believe that there are things in life that you cannot control, and murderous lunatics are right there with plane crashes, lightning strikes and tornadoes.

Gun control is racist and hits the poorest the hardest.  Those crafting the gun control laws are the wealthy and powerful and the laws will have little or no impact on them.  It leaves those most vulnerable to crime and violence with no way to defend themselves.

This is the best argument I can think of that would stop a liberal in their tracks.  If you are FOR gun control you HATE the poor and minorities!

Abortion Surveillance—Findings and Reports

           


           


           

It's dividing by Zero.....

 Newsflash..they dont CARE about facts..they dont CARE about Truth..they are acting purely out of Hysterical Emotion..you CANT shut them up.

Example:  Comment made by a libtard "Everyone who owns a gun should be killed"
                 Response by ME                " So you would call for the deaths of 84 MILLION people you dont agree with..and GUN OWNERS are the problem??"
                  her answer                       "Blather blather blather, 26 dead children Blather blather you are callous"

SHE calls for deaths but I'M the "Callous" asshole  They are and i hate to use the term but it fits.. FUCKING RETARDED  and you cant argue with that.

I usually go with some form of  " I feel my families lives are worth protecting."

Fair enough  that does make sense.  I will try to educate when possible.
But those who cannot be reached  fuck them

According to the US Department of Justice, law-abiding citizens use a firearm in self defense more than 2.5 million times a year.

Would you rather that these innocent people were defenseless and ended up as victims of criminals, beaten, robbed, raped, and murdered?

I like this one

That's the spirit!

Laws only apply to LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

1.  Murder of his mother
2. Theft of firearms
3. Violation of a gun free zone
4. Breaking and entering ( of the school that was locked)
5. Murder of the kids and teachers

So which new law was going to stop him from doing the above?

A bomb or a knife could have also been used.  They have in other documented instances.  So how does your attempting to restrict my liberties stop what happened?

ETA: and would we be having this discussion if it was only one child?  Why does the death of 26 become more impactful to your liberal sensibilities then the death of 1or 2?

Rush Limbaugh had a perfect argument against the anti-gun liberals. I'm paraphrasing, but it goes like this:

When you can guarantee to me that my family and I will NEVER be attacked by a criminal with his own gun or other weapon, then I will disarm.
Can you promise me this will NEVER happen?  (Of course, they cannot.)  If not, then I will keep my guns and do my best to protect my family from harm.

And always, I respect and support all of the amendments in the Bill of Rights. I do not place any above the others, they are all equally important. As an fellow American, I am sure you feel the same (put them on the defensive).

And, I have done nothing wrong. Why are you persecuting me?

how about this - ask them how many mass shootings have happened at a gun range, gun show, etc.

Then ask them about how many mass shootings have happened at schools, churches, etc where you cannot carry a gun.

When they tell you that you don`t need a gun like the AR , You tell them it`s not the Bill Of Needs , IT`S THE BILL OF RIGHTS. And its your right to own one.

This is the answer.

I've been replying with something to the effect of "None of your business. I don't answer to you. You live your hilarious life and I'll live mine."

They want to have an "adult discussion", and they want to treat us like we need a fucking babysitter at the same time. They really, really hate being told to STFU and go away, misery loves company after all.

You can't reason with an irrational non-thinker...

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither."