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Posted: 12/16/2012 2:57:57 AM THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT A victory for amateur historians everywhere. I haven't found an official press release yet but the story has made some tabloids and seems legit. The Daily Mail The dispatch, sent by 27-year-old Sergeant William Stott, identified German troop and panzer tank positions in Normandy and highlighted ‘Jerry’ headquarters and observation posts to target for attacks. It read: ‘Hit Jerry’s right or reserve battery here. 'Troops, panzers, batteries, engineers, here. 'Counter measures against panzers not working.’ Apparently the pigeons were sent in pairs, so while one died in a chimney the other may have reached it's destination. The sender was also KIA a few weeks after the message was sent. This article from a few weeks ago has a lot more information on Gord Young and his decryption efforts: Taking a crack at Second World War pigeon message code Young is the editor of Lakefield Heritage Research, a group of volunteers who help people research Peterborough military history. He characterizes some of the messaging as “crib notes” and said he has seen similar coding in his great-uncle’s First World War book and other similar material that has passed through his hands over the years. Young believes the message was sent by an artillery observer stationed on the front lines in Normandy, France, updating his superiors on German enemy movements. “It’s artillery code,” Young said. “You often see the same crib notes like that. A few of them are quite common.”

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Saladman Member Joined: Jun 2009  NE, USA Posts: 919 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 2:59:42 AM That's really awesome
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Dagger41 Member Team Member Joined: Sep 2011  AB, CAN Posts: 6197 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 3:00:45 AM That's very cool OP. VERY cool indeed !
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CouncilOfDave Amoral, Mass-Murdering Commie Team Member Joined: Feb 2008  TX, USA Posts: 12189 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 3:01:55 AM I completely forgot about that, since I figured I would never hear about it again. That's very, very awesome.
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Gamma762 Member Team Member Joined: Sep 2004  USA Posts: 22655 Feedback: 90% (10) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 3:09:39 AM Excellent.
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Mac_Fan Han shot first! Team Member Joined: Mar 2007  OR, USA Posts: 5609 Feedback: 100% (62) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 3:22:15 AM This story gets better and better. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
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woodbutcher223308 Team Member Team Member Joined: Aug 2003  IL, USA Posts: 10147 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 6:51:42 AM Originally Posted By Saladman: That's really awesome
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Grin 24/365's Official Donny Team Member Joined: Feb 2011  MO, USA Posts: 14072 Feedback: 100% (8) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 6:52:26 AM Can someone fix this?
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LightningII Member Team Member Joined: Jul 2007  TX, USA Posts: 8471 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 7:31:28 AM I was hoping it would say " Hilter sucks Mussolini's schwanz"
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Mech2007 Coherent Ramblings Team Member Joined: Nov 2007  NY, USA Posts: 30137 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 7:39:55 AM [Last Edit: 12/16/2012 7:40:17 AM by Mech2007] So Canadians are good for something after all? If only Targettarget had lasted long enough to hear the news. Or, maybe he's the one who cracked the code with all of his new found (not Newfound) free time.
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hammet dork Team Member Joined: Feb 2010  NY, USA Posts: 2005 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 7:44:04 AM Not buying it. DJHFP = Determined Jerry’s Headquarters Front Posts RBQRH = Right Battery [Head] Quarters Right Here Why would Head Quarters be abbreviated "H" in one line and then "Q" right after? Why not HQ as everyone knows it as?
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hrt4me Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2001  TX, USA Posts: 14541 Feedback: 100% (60) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 11:13:59 AM http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/16/world-war-2-pigeon-code-cracked_n_2311364.html
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Ohio_Bill Member Team Member Joined: Apr 2009  OH, USA Posts: 4967 Feedback: 100% (2) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 11:41:36 AM Originally Posted By hrt4me: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/16/world-war-2-pigeon-code-cracked_n_2311364.html I've cracked the code from the headline of the above story: "Candian" = Canadian
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JVD Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2008  WI, USA Posts: 2503 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/16/2012 1:01:31 PM neat! Never expected to hear anything this soon.
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