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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:15:45 PM EDT

[#1]

Sadly, I think that is likely.

Hopefully seeing the dems getting more and more votes will motivate any Republican/ Libertarian stragglers to get out to the polls come election time.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:24:50 PM EDT

[#2]

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Yes they will, if this country lasts that long. Because they are infected. The whole country is.

I'm not so sure. I spent a few months down there this year and the general attitude is nothing like it is here.

But I've heard the concern and want to know where it comes from.

The city's man. The whole state doesn't have to be infected, just the large population centers and then its over.

Our population centers are becoming so dense they are breaking even the electoral college, which was originally intended to balance population representation with geographic representation.

As soon as population in major (assumed to be Democrat) population centers in a state outnumber the rest of the state population, the state will never go back unless those population centers somehow shrink.

Our government was not designed to adequately represent and function electorally with millions of people living in a few square miles within states that cover millions of square miles. The founding fathers foresaw and planned for a lot, but there really isn't any way to provide an electoral system that adequately represents both heartland farmers who can't see another human in any direction, and several hundred people who live in a single building in a metropolis.

For the most part, that's what has happened in Pennsylvania. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh outvote the rest of the State when it's a heavy Democratic turnout. It's all downhill from there.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:25:54 PM EDT

[#3]

I wouldn't be surprised in the next 20 years or so.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:29:50 PM EDT

[#4]

Things aren't as bad as some of y'all think.

If the Republicans would just be more inclusive, we would be going into the White House and it wouldn't even be hard.

For example.

Florida only needs less than 37,000 people to change their vote from d to R.

Ohio appox 55,000

Colorado 70,000

Wisconsin a little over 100K

It really is just that close guys.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:30:58 PM EDT

[#5]

Depends on how fast Texas' cities grow.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:32:37 PM EDT

[#6]

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The way Californians keep migrating it might be sooner than that.

snicker

This, W/O the snicker.

The FSA is breeding faster than they're getting jobs. They need to migrate, or die.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:36:15 PM EDT

[#7]

I think it will eventually, no idea on time frame though.

The continued influx of liberals and illegals will push it over the edge. All the large cities are blue.

It's just a matter of time.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:37:00 PM EDT

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Our only hope is to educate the "young" people: high school or college.

The lefties must not be allowed to be the only "guidance" in that period.

They pretty much have a monopoly there and I don't think they are going to give that up.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:38:49 PM EDT

[#9]

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Things aren't as bad as some of y'all think.

If the Republicans would just be more inclusive, we would be going into the White House and it wouldn't even be hard.

For example.

Florida only needs less than 37,000 people to change their vote from d to R.

Ohio appox 55,000

Colorado 70,000

Wisconsin a little over 100K

It really is just that close guys.

But where is the trend going ? Both politically and demographically ?

Also I believe there is a lot of fraud, and if needed the democrats will pad the numbers to win.

That may have even made the case last time.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:39:22 PM EDT

[#10]

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Yes they will, if this country lasts that long. Because they are infected. The whole country is.

I'm not so sure. I spent a few months down there this year and the general attitude is nothing like it is here.

But I've heard the concern and want to know where it comes from.

depends really.

A lot of people say that texas will turn blue because of hispanics. Yet in AZ our state has become more red in spite of a growing percentage of hispanic people. Democrats are THIRD in registration following republicans and independents.

I personally think it depends mostly on the way the cities grow. You would think bigger city equals more liberals. I tend to think more compact cities are what lead to this crap because maricopa county (phoenix and surrounding areas) is very conservative and it's the biggest city here. The liberal places in the state are smaller places with either high college populations such as flagstaff or high illegal populations such as tuscon. If a city spreads wide instead of up like phoenix has it seems to keep its rural feel and the libtardism doesn't seem to grow.

If texas doesn't start doing something to scare the illegals out of the state they might be fucked though. Arizona has lots of illegals but most of them are just passing through because they know they aren't welcome and we wont make it easy for them to live and work here. If texas doesn't take the same approach the illegals will settle and have lots of voting poor socialist children and it will turn blue.

Don't forget that the farthest left member of Congress comes from Arizona.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:39:24 PM EDT

[#11]

I live in the last state in the nation that will go blue.

I laugh at you all.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:44:08 PM EDT

[#12]

No. Possible. Chance.

I see just the opposite, I see the nation becoming more conservative following the disaster that Obama is going to put upon the nation. I see more people fleeing liberal America and going to Texas for sanctuary. Only the complete idiots here think that liberals are moving to Texas ... just like the conservatives are moving to New York/California to fuck things up.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:45:19 PM EDT

[#13]

Oh wait. If When Obama gives amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens in Texas it's over.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:46:14 PM EDT

[#14]

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Don't forget that the farthest left member of Congress comes from Arizona.

Now that Illinois gave up theirs to serve as the President.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:46:34 PM EDT

[#15]

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I live in the last state in the nation that will go blue.

I laugh at you all.

Actually I'd give that title to Oklahoma. Utah is pretty much empty outside of SLC which is very liberal and growing.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:48:28 PM EDT

[#16]

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The next election or the one after, Texas will go commie

i agree

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:53:53 PM EDT

[#17]

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Yes they will, if this country lasts that long. Because they are infected. The whole country is.

I'm not so sure. I spent a few months down there this year and the general attitude is nothing like it is here.

But I've heard the concern and want to know where it comes from.

The city's man. The whole state doesn't have to be infected, just the large population centers and then its over.

I realize that Austin is what it is.

But in San Antonio most people I talked to seemed pretty conservative/anti-Obama.

Never been to Houston or Dallas.

I live in San Antonio and I saw many Romney/Ryan signs and hardly any Obama signs but when I went to vote I saw many people who appeared to be Obama supporters

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:55:01 PM EDT

[#18]

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Don't forget that the farthest left member of Congress comes from Arizona.

Now that Illinois gave up theirs to serve as the President.

We still have Durbin..............

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:55:50 PM EDT

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Don't forget that the farthest left member of Congress comes from Arizona.

Now that Illinois gave up theirs to serve as the President.

Oh trust me we can crap out a bigger turd than Obummer.

Posted: 11/24/2012 6:56:05 PM EDT

[#20]

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No. Possible. Chance.

I see just the opposite, I see the nation becoming more conservative following the disaster that Obama is going to put upon the nation. I see more people fleeing liberal America and going to Texas for sanctuary. Only the complete idiots here think that liberals are moving to Texas ... just like the conservatives are moving to New York/California to fuck things up.

And that's the problem this thread is all about.

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:01:20 PM EDT

[#21]

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No. Possible. Chance.

I see just the opposite, I see the nation becoming more conservative following the disaster that Obama is going to put upon the nation. I see more people fleeing liberal America and going to Texas for sanctuary. Only the complete idiots here think that liberals are moving to Texas ... just like the conservatives are moving to New York/California to fuck things up.

All the liberals (granted, a very small sample here, ie less than 30 people) that I know that moved to Texas to escape the problems in CA or a northern state, did three things. 1) Instantly started pushing to make things like they had them in the place they left. They considered Austin "conservative" and Houston was full of "Bubbas". 2) Bitched about the heat, non-stop, even in the fall. 3) Fucking left in less than 10 years.

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:01:38 PM EDT

[#22]

%57 to %41 in favor of Mitt.

Obviously the major metro centers will break liberals like rats, look at Iowa. The entire state is GOP red except for greater Des Moines, Waterloo, and the quad Cities (mostly). In SD the shithole reservations and the college towns went for Obama, otherwise it is safely GOP red for quite awhile.

In the long run, the GOP will need to abide by its principles and *truly* keep government small if it is going to stay alive (why does the gubmint' care if two queers want to marry??? etc). The odds are against us GOP'ers and Libertarians at the moment, the word needs to get out damned fast and a *real* candidate needs to be able to step up and say it like it is with no more sugar coating BS. There is a reason the Libertarians did as well it they did in the last election: it is time to follow the US Constitution and let it be as it was designed to be. Let States have their rights back, keep the feds on international stuff, and move the fuck on.

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:10:18 PM EDT

[#23]

... Yes

The Electoral College favors bigger cities

Don't feel too bad, Arizona is going purple too

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:13:15 PM EDT

[#24]

I don't think there is much room left for the pendulum to swing until normal non-moonbat people get sick of leftist bullshit.

So NO, I don't thin TX will go blue.

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:14:50 PM EDT

[#25]

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Things aren't as bad as some of y'all think.

If the Republicans would just be more inclusive, we would be going into the White House and it wouldn't even be hard.

For example.

Florida only needs less than 37,000 people to change their vote from d to R.

Ohio appox 55,000

Colorado 70,000

Wisconsin a little over 100K

It really is just that close guys.

Think of the effect that Conservatives from California could make by moving to swing states. I am thinking about getting out of the PNW. Not sure where to move to yet.

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:28:41 PM EDT

[#26]

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Think of the effect that Conservatives from California could make by moving to swing states. I am thinking about getting out of the PNW. Not sure where to move to yet.

You should check out CO. Pretty similar to WA as far as options go.

Texas would take some getting used to for me. I like the politics but the weather sucks.

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:44:05 PM EDT

[#27]

I certainly hope we don't. Fact is, we may bitch about Yankees and Californians moving here but most (certainly not all) of them that have come here seem to vote Republican. The problem I see is the large FSAs in the cities that are growing ever larger due to the illegal immigration problem.

A lot of Tejanos I know who have deep roots in this state tend to vote Republican but the newer groups of Hispanics coming here are universally Democrat. My only hope is that the second or third generations will become conservative but only if we can make sure they don't get stuck in the Democrat welfare trap.

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:44:56 PM EDT

[#28]

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Things aren't as bad as some of y'all think.

If the Republicans would just be more inclusive, we would be going into the White House and it wouldn't even be hard.

For example.

Florida only needs less than 37,000 people to change their vote from d to R.

Ohio appox 55,000

Colorado 70,000

Wisconsin a little over 100K

It really is just that close guys.

But where is the trend going ? Both politically and demographically ?

Also I believe there is a lot of fraud, and if needed the democrats will pad the numbers to win.

That may have even made the case last time.

It is beyond inclusiveness and social policy at this point. That train has left the station.
No longer about abortion, gay rights, guns, global warming or anything along those lines.

It is now 100% about free shit and punishing the rich to provide said free shit.

Unless the republicans start offering 10% more free shit then the dems, it is pretty much game over.

Posted: 11/24/2012 7:50:30 PM EDT

[#29]

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Liberalism is a mental disorder and the cancer of our republic.

It's a way for people who don't believe in themselves and their own abilities... to seek revenge.

Posted: 11/24/2012 8:05:21 PM EDT

[#30]

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Liberalism is a mental disorder and the cancer of our republic.

It's a way for people who don't believe in themselves and their own abilities... to seek revenge.

And that lack of belief is reinforced by Al and Jesse when they constantly hammer the point that the black community is being oppressed.

The premise is that blacks are not good enough to make it on their own, not strong enough to overcome adversity.

It's disgusting.

Posted: 11/24/2012 8:05:23 PM EDT

[#31]

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Think of the effect that Conservatives from California could make by moving to swing states. I am thinking about getting out of the PNW. Not sure where to move to yet.

You should check out CO. Pretty similar to WA as far as options go.

Texas would take some getting used to for me. I like the politics but the weather sucks.

I know a guy in Houston that has said he'd help my family get on our feet there. I actually like the weather too.

Posted: 11/24/2012 8:07:17 PM EDT

[#32]

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Things aren't as bad as some of y'all think.

If the Republicans would just be more inclusive, we would be going into the White House and it wouldn't even be hard.

How do Republicans become more "inclusive" without losing their base, abandoning their conservative values (even further) or becoming the DNC?

Posted: 11/24/2012 8:22:42 PM EDT

[#33]

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Think of the effect that Conservatives from California could make by moving to swing states. I am thinking about getting out of the PNW. Not sure where to move to yet.

You should check out CO. Pretty similar to WA as far as options go.

Texas would take some getting used to for me. I like the politics but the weather sucks.

I know a guy in Houston that has said he'd help my family get on our feet there. I actually like the weather too.

Then you should give it some serious thought, as long as you're not too attached to the mountains.

It is a great place. The people are the most polite I've ever come across, I was pretty stunned for a bit when I got there. I'm used to people wearing blinders all the time- me me me.

I grew up on the Pacific coast, we have the best weather on the planet. I'm a mile from the beach and five miles from Redwood forested mountains I can hike through wherever I want. There are dirtbike trails or canyon winders made for sportbikes. The seafood doesn't get any better IMO. It is a friendly and laid back lifestyle.

The taxes and politics SUCK.

I'm one of the few people I know of that understands how government works and where the progressive agenda leads.

For those reasons alone I'm still considering giving up on this place and moving to Texas Hill Country. I made some good contacts while down there and am reasonably confident I could be up and running, business wise, as soon as I hit the ground. The main thing holding me back is a family member that I'm responsible for.

Posted: 11/24/2012 8:27:44 PM EDT

[#34]

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Our only hope is to educate the "young" people: high school or college.

The lefties must not be allowed to be the only "guidance" in that period.

If this primary season is any indication that's never going to happen.

The GOP won't budge on civil liberties issues like the Patriot Act or the NDAA. They won't budge on federal control of drug laws. If they leave abortion up to the states then all of the christian socialists will jump ship and stay home. Guys like Bill Kristol are still considered foreign policy heavyweights, so they'll still be the war party for the foreseeable future.

So far the only thing I've seen from the GOP resembling a plan for the future is their proposal to grant total amnesty to immigrants. This party that's full of flag-waving superpatriots is more concerned about the potential voting habits of foreigners than it is about it's young people. Unless something changes it's done, although it will take awhile for it to be compoletely irrelevant.

Posted: 11/24/2012 8:28:08 PM EDT

[#35]

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No. Possible. Chance.

I see just the opposite, I see the nation becoming more conservative following the disaster that Obama is going to put upon the nation. I see more people fleeing liberal America and going to Texas for sanctuary. Only the complete idiots here think that liberals are moving to Texas ... just like the conservatives are moving to New York/California to fuck things up.

And that's the problem this thread is all about.

BUT THEY'RE NOT LIBERALS FLEEING FOR A CONSERVATIVE STATE!

The liberals that are coming to Texas are from the states of Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, Sonora ... liberals are poor and need the welfare that the big urban areas provide. The liberals aren't going to Texas to strike out on their own ... that's as stupid as Texan oil millionaires coming to South Central to draw welfare and food stamps. It ain't gonna happen.

Posted: 11/24/2012 8:35:55 PM EDT

[#36]

Who knows

Posted: 11/24/2012 9:11:20 PM EDT

[#37]

LISTEN TO ME AND REMEMBER THIS

There are twin brothers from San Antonio named Castro.

In four years, one of them will be the Dem Vice President candidate, and Texas will be blue.

It is going to happen. Anyone that disagrees is either in denial or hasn't seen what really exists in my state.

Posted: 11/24/2012 9:32:33 PM EDT

[#38]

There's a radio show that broadcasts from austin.

A week or so ago, I was heading to get breakfast after PT, and the guy said something about how all the politicians are slime balls because they don't want people on unemployment to be able to buy booze and smokes while their on the doll.

He had a ton of callers agreeing with him.

Texas will be blue sooner rather than later.

Just like the rest of the country.

Posted: 11/24/2012 9:35:24 PM EDT

[#39]

YES, same for other states. blues breed faster

Posted: 11/24/2012 10:24:44 PM EDT

[#40]

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Yes they will, if this country lasts that long. Because they are infected. The whole country is.

I'm not so sure. I spent a few months down there this year and the general attitude is nothing like it is here.

But I've heard the concern and want to know where it comes from.

depends really.

A lot of people say that texas will turn blue because of hispanics. Yet in AZ our state has become more red in spite of a growing percentage of hispanic people. Democrats are THIRD in registration following republicans and independents.

I personally think it depends mostly on the way the cities grow. You would think bigger city equals more liberals. I tend to think more compact cities are what lead to this crap because maricopa county (phoenix and surrounding areas) is very conservative and it's the biggest city here. The liberal places in the state are smaller places with either high college populations such as flagstaff or high illegal populations such as tuscon. If a city spreads wide instead of up like phoenix has it seems to keep its rural feel and the libtardism doesn't seem to grow.

If texas doesn't start doing something to scare the illegals out of the state they might be fucked though. Arizona has lots of illegals but most of them are just passing through because they know they aren't welcome and we wont make it easy for them to live and work here. If texas doesn't take the same approach the illegals will settle and have lots of voting poor socialist children and it will turn blue.

Don't forget that the farthest left member of Congress comes from Arizona.

it doesn't reflect our population though. We just have some rigged districts due to "independent" groups drawing the lines.

Posted: 11/24/2012 11:01:10 PM EDT

[#41]

Look at Illinois.

2 counties, all urban, control the whole fucking state.

Posted: 11/24/2012 11:45:20 PM EDT

[#42]

Born and Raised in Austin, yes the city is very liberal and democrats walk freely within the city limits but get a few hundred yards out side of Austin and conservatism is strong as ever, currently live in FL but I want to move back.
I think a lot of it rests with the Hispanic vote, which could go either way. Some are leaches and will ruin what this country stands for, others are conservative hard working Americans. Personally I think the Republican Party needs some serious realignment in order to have any chance of surviving. It's stance on women and gheys are what is killing it, driving women and minorities away.
Americans vote on petty bullshit issues not on serious issues like foreign policy and the economy and the War.

Posted: 11/24/2012 11:50:26 PM EDT

[#43]

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Look at Illinois.

2 counties, all urban, control the whole fucking state.

My county only had 27% for Obama. Most of this state is as Red as it gets but Cook and Sangamon County clutch the electoral college with an iron fist.

Posted: 11/25/2012 12:05:09 AM EDT

[#44]

By 2018.

Posted: 11/25/2012 12:05:30 AM EDT

[#45]

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Things aren't as bad as some of y'all think.

If the Republicans would just be more inclusive, we would be going into the White House and it wouldn't even be hard.

For example.

Florida only needs less than 37,000 people to change their vote from d to R.

Ohio appox 55,000

Colorado 70,000

Wisconsin a little over 100K

It really is just that close guys.

Thats like half of the state.

Posted: 11/25/2012 12:11:00 AM EDT

[#46]

We have a hung influx of Conservative business owners who we are happy to welcome to our state. We also have an influx of Liberal fuckwads coming to escape the Hell holes they created....

I think Texas is becoming a last stand for small government, and I hope we continue to receive more small government minded individuals.

Posted: 11/25/2012 1:56:01 AM EDT

[#47]

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Texas was blue for many years and is headed back. Only thing to change it is a total economic failure and it appears we are headed the way of Europe quicker than they got there. Hispanic and Black vote coupled with the uneducated white vote now rules.

Post-graduate educations voted for Obama by a thirteen percentage point margin. We need to stop lying to ourselves and figure out how to appeal to more demographics without compromising our beliefs.

Posted: 11/25/2012 3:07:56 AM EDT

[#48]

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Texas was blue for many years and is headed back. Only thing to change it is a total economic failure and it appears we are headed the way of Europe quicker than they got there. Hispanic and Black vote coupled with the uneducated white vote now rules.

Post-graduate educations voted for Obama by a thirteen percentage point margin. We need to stop lying to ourselves and figure out how to appeal to more demographics without compromising our beliefs.

Freedom does not appeal to at least half the people.

With freedom comes the real possibility of failure . Weve raised a nation full of pussies who get ribbons and trophies for trying. Those people dont want freedom , they want guarantees. And free shit, And to punish the rich.

Freedom has been replaced by freestuff .

Posted: 11/25/2012 3:47:45 AM EDT

[#49]

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I take alot of heat from Mass friends about NH no longer being red, but I think this is a trend for the whole country, and other red states will trend more blue.

The pendulum may swing back the other way in future years, but the general trend is more blue due to more of an Urban, "Ask what your country can do for you" mindset, vs. "Ask what you can do for your country". Just as in Mass, in NH most people outside the major cities are still firmly Red.

If the election were decided by a simple majority of towns and cities, and not by population, MA would be one of the reddest states in the Union.

However, as I have often said, laughing at Massachusetts and its liberal apparatchiks is a mistake. Those very same people and their ideas, and their supporters, the FSA, will eventually come to YOU. And they WILL take over.It is happening right now, all over America.

It's like what the German writer Bertolt Brecht once wrote: Suppose they gave a war, and nobody came. Why then, the war would eventually come to you.

Posted: 11/25/2012 8:30:23 AM EDT

[#50]

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LISTEN TO ME AND REMEMBER THIS

There are twin brothers from San Antonio named Castro.

In four years, one of them will be the Dem Vice President candidate, and Texas will be blue.

It is going to happen. Anyone that disagrees is either in denial or hasn't seen what really exists in my state.

And they make Obama look like a moderate Republican. I swear Julian Castro looks like a character from a movie or straight out of a Matthew Bracken novel. He appears to be cut from the same cloth as his "Uncle Fidel".

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