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Link Posted: 11/22/2012 1:29:34 PM EST
They are generally only as good as the magazine that is running them. Magazines are always the weakest link with bottom feeders.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 1:36:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
What happened to your AMD65?


MG rental. The gun fired, extracted the round but didn't eject it. The round jammed between the back side of the ejector and the bolt. Somehow, the ejector and rail bent allowing the bolt to go forward. Next round fired and bulged the receiver and ripped the bolt guide rail off the receiver.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 1:44:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By RustedAce:

Originally Posted By DocBull:or a cat and dog

Cats belong in a garbage can.


When you get that 55 gallon drum of hairballs in the mail?

That was me.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 1:52:19 PM EST
ak is fine weapon.

carlos hathcock made 1700 yd kill on waterbuffalo at adobe walls in cambodia from standing position with no optics.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 2:18:44 PM EST
Fired a few ak47s overseas. Not impressive as far as accuracy however most looked like they were over 40 years old and used hard. They Functioned just fine.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 2:44:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 2:54:50 PM EST by VA-gunnut]
banned
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 2:48:24 PM EST


IBTL!!
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 2:49:37 PM EST
girl porn this time...

oh ban
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 2:53:22 PM EST
Of course your Ak's seem reliable, look at how you are babying them



IBTB
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 2:54:15 PM EST
oh. Thers a ban.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 2:59:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 3:06:23 PM EST by jukeboxx13]
AR is very reliable to some extent
AK is more reliable to some extent

Put dirt down the barrel and both will fail, but put dirt in the trigger group and the AR will fail. Only question now is will you be in playing in the sandbox/pound/jungle etc.. anytime soon. In the end all guns can fail if not taken care of to some extent, but the AK can just take a lil more neglect in my mind.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:10:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 3:13:20 PM EST by Vault_Boy]
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
AR is very reliable to some extent
AK is more reliable to some extent

Put dirt down the barrel and both will fail, but put dirt in the trigger group and the AR will fail. Only question now is will you be in playing in the sandbox/pound/jungle etc.. anytime soon. In the end all guns can fail if not taken care of to some extent, but the AK can just take a lil more neglect in my mind.


Only in your mind.



Rusted Ace is my garbageman.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:13:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 3:30:39 PM EST by jukeboxx13]
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
AR is very reliable to some extent
AK is more reliable to some extent

Put dirt down the barrel and both will fail, but put dirt in the trigger group and the AR will fail. Only question now is will you be in playing in the sandbox/pound/jungle etc.. anytime soon. In the end all guns can fail if not taken care of to some extent, but the AK can just take a lil more neglect in my mind.


http://youtu.be/CqRwx4wtmms

Rusted Ace is my garbageman.



Post these up if you want.

Ar fail when dirt got in trigger link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwoZ6SS_pY&feature=plcp

Ak did not fail with same test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnTdQ0_ejJE&feature=plcp

Dont get me wrong cause both guns can and will fail at some point.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:13:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By BuckHammer:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Sturdier magazine. Looser tolerances. Both says a lot towards reliability.


The increased taper in the 7.62x39 is also a factor worth mentioning. If my WASR is any indication though, and it probably is not, the AR platform is more reliable than the AK platform.


You cannot compare a crappy AK that has been worked over with US parts by century to be legal to a good AR.

They are both good rifles, the AK a little more reliable especially when filthy and the AR a little more accurate. Both serve well as a combat rifle. I prefer the AK, but if I found an AR in my hand when I needed it I wouldn't care too much.

But to do a fair comparison you'd need to match quality. You wouldn't compare a top notch AK to a Olympic AR would you ?

Reality in my opinion. Both are reliable "enough", and both are combat accurate "enough".

Falls to personal preference, and having experience and knowledge of your chosen system.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:15:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Alaskacajun:
I ain't gonna lie, I wish I had a full auto, double underfolder Chinese AK....

- Clint


I'm with you, but I'd rather have a fixed stock.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:18:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By R0N:
I have seen enough Iraq carried AKs fail in usage when I was an adviser to say they do fail and at a rate close to M16 rates.


I have a suspicion a lot of those stories come because those AK's were very old/used and maintained poorly over the long haul.

Some of the AK's in service all over the world have been in combat the last 30 or 40 years.

I doubt as many ARs would be still around in many of those circumstances.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:20:32 PM EST
I would trust a quality AK (Valmet/Sako) as well as a quality AR (Colt/FN) provided that both had been maintained properly. Either weapon will fail if neglected or if it's made by a less than stellar manufacturer.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:25:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By R0N:
I have seen enough Iraq carried AKs fail in usage when I was an adviser to say they do fail and at a rate close to M16 rates.


I have a suspicion a lot of those stories come because those AK's were very old/used and maintained poorly over the long haul.

Some of the AK's in service all over the world have been in combat the last 30 or 40 years.

I doubt as many ARs would be still around in many of those circumstances.


What does that matter? If they break or don't run due to "poor maintenance," then they aren't as hardy as claimed.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:28:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By R0N:
I have seen enough Iraq carried AKs fail in usage when I was an adviser to say they do fail and at a rate close to M16 rates.


I have a suspicion a lot of those stories come because those AK's were very old/used and maintained poorly over the long haul.

Some of the AK's in service all over the world have been in combat the last 30 or 40 years.

I doubt as many ARs would be still around in many of those circumstances.


What does that matter? If they break or don't run due to "poor maintenance," then they aren't as hardy as claimed.


They break fresh out of the crate too.

No one will accept that fact though.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:40:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
AR is very reliable to some extent
AK is more reliable to some extent

Put dirt down the barrel and both will fail, but put dirt in the trigger group and the AR will fail. Only question now is will you be in playing in the sandbox/pound/jungle etc.. anytime soon. In the end all guns can fail if not taken care of to some extent, but the AK can just take a lil more neglect in my mind.


http://youtu.be/CqRwx4wtmms

Rusted Ace is my garbageman.



Post these up if you want.

Ar fail when dirt got in trigger link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwoZ6SS_pY&feature=plcp

Ak did not fail with same test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnTdQ0_ejJE&feature=plcp


Here's some more.


















Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:40:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By RustedAce:

Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By R0N:
I have seen enough Iraq carried AKs fail in usage when I was an adviser to say they do fail and at a rate close to M16 rates.


I have a suspicion a lot of those stories come because those AK's were very old/used and maintained poorly over the long haul.

Some of the AK's in service all over the world have been in combat the last 30 or 40 years.

I doubt as many ARs would be still around in many of those circumstances.


What does that matter? If they break or don't run due to "poor maintenance," then they aren't as hardy as claimed.


They break fresh out of the crate too.

No one will accept that fact though.


I'm convinced that the stories originated in Vietnam because of the issues with the M16 and the fact that soldiers are like cops and firemen, they seem to like to bitch (at least my wife does ) and the legend of the AK just blew up.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:48:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By RustedAce:

Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By R0N:
I have seen enough Iraq carried AKs fail in usage when I was an adviser to say they do fail and at a rate close to M16 rates.


I have a suspicion a lot of those stories come because those AK's were very old/used and maintained poorly over the long haul.

Some of the AK's in service all over the world have been in combat the last 30 or 40 years.

I doubt as many ARs would be still around in many of those circumstances.


What does that matter? If they break or don't run due to "poor maintenance," then they aren't as hardy as claimed.


They break fresh out of the crate too.

No one will accept that fact though.


I'm convinced that the stories originated in Vietnam because of the issues with the M16 and the fact that soldiers are like cops and firemen, they seem to like to bitch (at least my wife does ) and the legend of the AK just blew up.


What's funny is to hear the Russian counterparts to this myths. They believed all sorts of ridiculously things about the quality of our equipment.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:49:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 3:50:48 PM EST by jukeboxx13]
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
AR is very reliable to some extent
AK is more reliable to some extent

Put dirt down the barrel and both will fail, but put dirt in the trigger group and the AR will fail. Only question now is will you be in playing in the sandbox/pound/jungle etc.. anytime soon. In the end all guns can fail if not taken care of to some extent, but the AK can just take a lil more neglect in my mind.


http://youtu.be/CqRwx4wtmms

Rusted Ace is my garbageman.



Post these up if you want.

Ar fail when dirt got in trigger link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwoZ6SS_pY&feature=plcp

Ak did not fail with same test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnTdQ0_ejJE&feature=plcp


Here's some more.

http://youtu.be/X7IGHWIMNE0

http://youtu.be/gRRUuXyspT0

http://youtu.be/VNyoeEai35s

http://youtu.be/6lZ_46BSVwY

http://youtu.be/vfRzgzFYDu8

http://youtu.be/WzVZ_OjAxuU

http://youtu.be/ueuYqoMT1aI

http://youtu.be/Q3sUxh26cgs




Both can fail. lol
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:51:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
..


What's funny is to hear the Russian counterparts to this myths. They believed all sorts of ridiculously things about the quality of our equipment.

Like?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:52:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Yep.

AKs are the most reliable firearms ever. Ever.

shut and go back to your cola hole



Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:56:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
AR is very reliable to some extent
AK is more reliable to some extent

Put dirt down the barrel and both will fail, but put dirt in the trigger group and the AR will fail. Only question now is will you be in playing in the sandbox/pound/jungle etc.. anytime soon. In the end all guns can fail if not taken care of to some extent, but the AK can just take a lil more neglect in my mind.


http://youtu.be/CqRwx4wtmms

Rusted Ace is my garbageman.



Post these up if you want.

Ar fail when dirt got in trigger link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwoZ6SS_pY&feature=plcp

Ak did not fail with same test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnTdQ0_ejJE&feature=plcp


Here's some more.

http://youtu.be/X7IGHWIMNE0

http://youtu.be/gRRUuXyspT0

http://youtu.be/VNyoeEai35s

http://youtu.be/6lZ_46BSVwY

http://youtu.be/vfRzgzFYDu8

http://youtu.be/WzVZ_OjAxuU

http://youtu.be/ueuYqoMT1aI

http://youtu.be/Q3sUxh26cgs




Both can fail. lol


An AR can fail. An AK is fail.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:58:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By RustedAce:

Originally Posted By DocBull:or a cat and dog

Cats belong in a garbage can.


something we can agree on.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:58:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By RustedAce:

Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Yep.

AKs are the most reliable firearms ever. Ever.


I poured marbles into my action and it still shot .001 MOA.



I pounded on my barrel with a sledge hammer for two hours and it still outshot my AR.

My friend who was in the military confirms this.


I heated mine in a furnace to 12000 degrees, then pulled it out and tossed it into a pit under a pile of dead NVA for 3 years. Then flooded that pit with salt water and concrete. 1 year later we dug it up and it was a little rusty on the op rod but otherwise it was like new. Shoot a .25 MOA 30 rnd group with it 0 malfunctions. My cousin smuggler that to Afghanistan with him and is using that WASR instead of his issue m4. He had 700 confirmed kills with it



Nice tongue in cheek commentary...Funny shit.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:58:45 PM EST
We took a friends AK to the range, had never been shot. No clue what brand it was etc.
We never got a complete magazine through it.
The magazine had to be put in just right otherwise you had to bang it back out with something heavy.
It would not cycle either. you would fire a round and another would not chamber, 3 people shot it same issue.
I know that Ak's have a good track record, but this one made me never want to deal with another again.
When it did shoot it felt awesome though. I liked the recoil on it etc.
Eventually we gave up shooting it and shot the ps90 with zero issues.
We will take it back out again and give it another try soon...
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:00:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
..


What's funny is to hear the Russian counterparts to this myths. They believed all sorts of ridiculously things about the quality of our equipment.

Like?


Just fantastical shit about the strength of our knives, warmth of our winter gear, the usual bullshit from soldiers who assume they get the worst shit and that other people get better shit. Based in reality with regard to how much we spend, naturally, but funny to anyone who has ever dealt with the reality of shitty issued gear. I had a soldier who had served in the Soviet Army, and he was shocked at how similar so many things were in spite of the obvious differences.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:02:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

What's funny is to hear the Russian counterparts to this myths. They believed all sorts of ridiculously things about the quality of our equipment.
Thinking about it, I would absolutely love to sit around and listen to that stuff.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:02:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By tommytomaso:

Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-:
AR-15s are more reliable than you think.

AK-47s are more accurate than you think.

The internet is great at making mountains out of molehills because people with little real world experience obsess over what they read online. So relatively minor differences are magnified greatly. I see this all the time at the gunstore I work at–– guys who will never take their guns out of the protective hard case until they are already at a shooting bench absolutely melting down over whether the AR-15 they want to buy is parkerized underneath the front sight base. Because "everyone knows" it must be a shitty gun if it isn't parkerized under the front sight base. Just like "everyone knows" AKs never jam and can't hit a man sized target beyond 200 yards.

Uh huh. Sure.

this!!!!!! i have a Mak90 and LOVE IT!!! my M70 century remake has a unintentional bolt hold open (tapco hammer is so rough it holds open the bolt..lol) the trigger sucks and iv had to have the front sight straightened (came canted) i believe we in the USA have the worst bunch of AK remakes in the world. i respect the 556 ARs they are light, accurate and very upgradable...the AK in its correct build parameters is sturdy, reliable and respectably accurate.

one needs to understand the subjective build requirements to understand what makes an AK different from an AR
the AK was a response from Russia in what it learned from the front lines of WW2 were horrendous conditions hindered weapons performance....hence AK's build tolerances.
i am not up on all of the AR's original build criterias, but i do know IIRC that "light, ability to carry more ammunition and the soldiers ability to upkeep the weapon" were important factors....but many more hands interacted in the AR's development and not all were good.....i think in many ways if Stonner had more control of the final product and its ability to improve , the AR would of been ahead of it development sooner then it did......even so...man has the AR become the pinnacle of "plug and play" firearms.

AR is like a multi tool.
AK is like a trusty rusty knife




FIFY

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:03:54 PM EST
you guys are killing me......



Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:05:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
AR is very reliable to some extent
AK is more reliable to some extent

Put dirt down the barrel and both will fail, but put dirt in the trigger group and the AR will fail. Only question now is will you be in playing in the sandbox/pound/jungle etc.. anytime soon. In the end all guns can fail if not taken care of to some extent, but the AK can just take a lil more neglect in my mind.


http://youtu.be/CqRwx4wtmms

Rusted Ace is my garbageman.



Post these up if you want.

Ar fail when dirt got in trigger link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwoZ6SS_pY&feature=plcp

Ak did not fail with same test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnTdQ0_ejJE&feature=plcp


Here's some more.

http://youtu.be/X7IGHWIMNE0

http://youtu.be/gRRUuXyspT0

http://youtu.be/VNyoeEai35s

http://youtu.be/6lZ_46BSVwY

http://youtu.be/vfRzgzFYDu8

http://youtu.be/WzVZ_OjAxuU

http://youtu.be/ueuYqoMT1aI

http://youtu.be/Q3sUxh26cgs




Both can fail. lol


An AR can fail. An AK is fail.



I dont understand the hate but ok.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:05:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
..


What's funny is to hear the Russian counterparts to this myths. They believed all sorts of ridiculously things about the quality of our equipment.

Like?


Just fantastical shit about the strength of our knives, warmth of our winter gear, the usual bullshit from soldiers who assume they get the worst shit and that other people get better shit. Based in reality with regard to how much we spend, naturally, but funny to anyone who has ever dealt with the reality of shitty issued gear. I had a soldier who had served in the Soviet Army, and he was shocked at how similar so many things were in spite of the obvious differences.

LOL Interesting.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:17:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By MNJack762:
Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-:
AR-15s are more reliable than you think.

AK-47s are more accurate than you think.

The internet is great at making mountains out of molehills because people with little real world experience obsess over what they read online. So relatively minor differences are magnified greatly. I see this all the time at the gunstore I work at–– guys who will never take their guns out of the protective hard case until they are already at a shooting bench absolutely melting down over whether the AR-15 they want to buy is parkerized underneath the front sight base. Because "everyone knows" it must be a shitty gun if it isn't parkerized under the front sight base. Just like "everyone knows" AKs never jam and can't hit a man sized target beyond 200 yards.

Uh huh. Sure.


Best post of thread.



Agreed.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:19:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
you guys are killing me......


http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg538/joecoastie99/draco.jpg


this is where all AK's belong


Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:22:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 4:22:32 PM EST by RobWis]
Just ask the soldiers who died in Vietnam with a cleaning rod still stuck in their M16 barrel trying to clear malfs. Yes, the AK is as reliable as they say...proof is in the pudding.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:29:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:


Both can fail. lol


An AR can fail. An AK is fail.



I dont understand the hate but ok.




They are clunky & rough, there is no word for ergonomics in Russian, crap-ass quality control in everything from parts, assembly, to non-concentric barrel threading, pistol length sight radius, selector sucks loudly & is on wrong side, reciprocating charging handle, the slot for that handle is a big port that lets dirt in, (that will stop the rifle from functioning as shown in those videos) stocks made for tiny conscripts who's growth was stunted by communism, they're too heavy & they have a completely undeserved reputation for reliability.

When they were $250 NIB and ammo was $75 for 1200 rounds they were a fantastic bargain with major flaws you could overlook for the price. Now they are priced like ARs, and they fall way short of the mark in so many ways it's really an unfair comparison now.

I like Valmets & Galils, but they're still too heavy & flawed despite Westernized ergonomic & sight radius improvements and quality control. And you can't buy them new anymore since Bush Sr. so it doesn't really matter.


Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:30:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By Windustsearch:
There is too much variation in manufacturers, methods of manufacture, ammunition, and use to do any real comparison.


Wait. Are we talking about 1911s now?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:34:48 PM EST
This thread belongs in the garbage can.






Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:36:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By RobWis:
Just ask the soldiers who died in Vietnam with a cleaning rod still stuck in their M16 barrel trying to clear malfs. Yes, the AK is as reliable as they say...proof is in the pudding.


Exactly what malfunction is cleared by sticking a cleaning rod down the barrel, anyway?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:40:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By RobWis:
Just ask the soldiers who died in Vietnam with a cleaning rod still stuck in their M16 barrel trying to clear malfs. Yes, the AK is as reliable as they say...proof is in the pudding.


Exactly what malfunction is cleared by sticking a cleaning rod down the barrel, anyway?


Stuck cases
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:40:39 PM EST
yes
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:41:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By RobWis:
Just ask the soldiers who died in Vietnam with a cleaning rod still stuck in their M16 barrel trying to clear malfs. Yes, the AK is as reliable as they say...proof is in the pudding.


The very early M16s without chrome lining & wrong powder in the ammo caused those problems and they were fixed in the 1960s. But even though we've been successfully killing shitloads of fucktards with our superior rifle design since, people spouting dumbtastic platitudes like that persist.

I posted a whole bunch of videos full of AK pudding above.
You should eat some of it. It's bleeble boingdang tangroo good!




Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:45:25 PM EST
AKs belong in Trashkanistan. AR are perfect in every way and even a hadji can shoot fleas off cameos at 500 miles with em......
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:47:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By RobWis:
Just ask the soldiers who died in Vietnam with a cleaning rod still stuck in their M16 barrel trying to clear malfs. Yes, the AK is as reliable as they say...proof is in the pudding.


dude, I think it has been well documented that a maintained properly lubed M16 can be just as if not more reliable than a AK. Those boys where set up to fail by there leaders.


anyway, this is just how GD blows off some steam. So don't get your panties bunched up.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:50:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By RobWis:
Just ask the soldiers who died in Vietnam with a cleaning rod still stuck in their M16 barrel trying to clear malfs. Yes, the AK is as reliable as they say...proof is in the pudding.


The very early M16s without chrome lining & wrong powder in the ammo caused those problems and they were fixed in the 1960s. But even though we've been successfully killing shitloads of fucktards with our superior rifle design since, people spouting dumbtastic platitudes like that persist.

I posted a whole bunch of videos full of AK pudding above.
You should eat some of it. It's bleeble boingdang tangroo good!




You forgot about that silly "Sweet Sixteen" propaganda pamphlet to make up for the early M16s poor engineering:







Link Posted: 11/22/2012 4:54:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By RobWis:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By RobWis:
Just ask the soldiers who died in Vietnam with a cleaning rod still stuck in their M16 barrel trying to clear malfs. Yes, the AK is as reliable as they say...proof is in the pudding.


The very early M16s without chrome lining & wrong powder in the ammo caused those problems and they were fixed in the 1960s. But even though we've been successfully killing shitloads of fucktards with our superior rifle design since, people spouting dumbtastic platitudes like that persist.

I posted a whole bunch of videos full of AK pudding above.
You should eat some of it. It's bleeble boingdang tangroo good!




You forgot about that silly "Sweet Sixteen" propaganda pamphlet to make up for the early M16s poor engineering:

http://www.mrfa.org/images/m16manual/M16CoverandBack.jpg






Back when there was a DRAFT. LSA is old school. Abandoned in 1980s or somewhere around there.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 5:15:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 5:20:07 PM EST by Vault_Boy]
Originally Posted By RobWis:
Originally Posted By Vault_Boy:
Originally Posted By RobWis:
Just ask the soldiers who died in Vietnam with a cleaning rod still stuck in their M16 barrel trying to clear malfs. Yes, the AK is as reliable as they say...proof is in the pudding.


The very early M16s without chrome lining & wrong powder in the ammo caused those problems and they were fixed in the 1960s. But even though we've been successfully killing shitloads of fucktards with our superior rifle design since, people spouting dumbtastic platitudes like that persist.

I posted a whole bunch of videos full of AK pudding above.
You should eat some of it. It's bleeble boingdang tangroo good!




You forgot about that silly "Sweet Sixteen" propaganda pamphlet to make up for the early M16s poor engineering:

http://www.mrfa.org/images/m16manual/M16CoverandBack.jpg







Uh, no. They were originally billed as a "self cleaning" rifle. That pamphlet wasn't propaganda, it was cleaning instructions. All those problems were Army induced, not design problems.

And you've apparently forgotten that it's been fixed for 50 years, and has become the favorite weapon system of .mil guys special enough to be able to choose their own weapon systems in tons of non 3rd world countries since then.

Royal Marines in AFG:


SAS in the Falklands:


New Zealand SAS in AFG:


Israeli spec ops training in ?:


Average looking IDF soldier :










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