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Posted: 10/19/2012 5:31:46 AM EST
I say the ole' 8mm mausers are great all around hunting and paper shooters.
What is your choice?

Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:32:41 AM EST
Swedish Mausers
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:33:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:33:26 AM EST
All of them (but my Swiss K31 is my favorite shooter)
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:34:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 5:35:10 AM EST by diamond_c]
Finn M39
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:35:59 AM EST
Easier to say which ones I dislike- the usual suspects- Carcanos, Mosins and Arisakas.

Love the hell out of Enfields, Mausers, Springfields, Garands etc.....
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:36:03 AM EST
US ones. I'm just not interested in the majority of rifles some other country used in war.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:38:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 5:40:07 AM EST by vanvideo]
How do you define "rifle?"
I have a PPSh-41 in semi-auto. I had an M44, wish I didn't sell it.

I'd love to have an M1 carbine or a Mauser.

eta - and I have a 45acp Enfield. I hope to one day turn it into a DeLisle clone.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:38:33 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:40:04 AM EST
Absolutely nothing compares to the statement "Milsurp" as an M1 Garand. Sure, there are lots of other neat stuff out there, but the Garand is at the top of the pile IMHO.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:40:19 AM EST
How old is old enough? My FAL parts were made by BSA in 1958.

Overall I tend to favor the very overlooked MAS 36 and 49/56,they're really good guns that usually just attract "herpaderpsurrenderederp" comments.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:40:21 AM EST
I have a couple

Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:41:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Swedish Mausers


Especially this recoilless 10 shot semi-auto one:

Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:41:28 AM EST
The 8mm is great, kicks like a mule so you know something happened when you pulled the trigger.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:43:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Donner_und_Blitzen:
I have a couple

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/allproblemsolved/guns/wall/wall.jpg

You keep your guns in a sauna?
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:43:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Donner_und_Blitzen:
I have a couple

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/allproblemsolved/guns/wall/wall.jpg
Dang! Nice collection!


Another vote for the Garand here
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:45:23 AM EST
SMLE
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:46:43 AM EST
I used to be a big C&R guy.

The only one I'd buy again is a German K98. That gun was great.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:46:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Swedish Mausers


This followed by:

Swiss K31's
German K98's
Springfield 1903
Enfield
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:47:03 AM EST
#1MKIII SMLEs, Finnish M27 Mosin/Nagants, and Israeli .308 98ks.


My first real firearm was a $40 Lee/Enfield that I found at a local gun shop in 1991. They had a huge crate of greasy .303s and I picked the one that "spoke" to me. My friend got one, too, and we split a case of .303 ammo from Paragon. It was WW1 Brit surplus and $59.95/1000rds. Sadly, this rifle was stolen along with several others in a break-in back in 1995, and it was the only firearm not recovered.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:47:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Swedish Mausers


Especially this recoilless 10 shot semi-auto one:

http://mauser98.com/ljungmanbench.jpg


Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:48:00 AM EST
M1903 Springfield
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:48:14 AM EST
There are a lot of choices, but If you want ACCURACY, the field narrows considerably:

-Swiss K31. The issue ammo, called GP11 is a WORK OF METALLIC ART and yeilds excellent 300 meter accuracy.



-The Swedish Mausers (including the Ljungman semi auto) are incredibly accurate. The sniper bolt guns are tack drivers.

-if you insist on a "Mosin" there is only ONE truely accurate choice: the Finn-reworked M-39.

Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:48:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 5:52:57 AM EST by 1srelluc]
I like them all except for the Carcanos....Hell, the Finns threw them (7.5 version Mussolini sent them) in the ditch as soon as they could get their hands on a Mosin. It says a lot about a weapon when a warring nation that needed all the rifles they could get would just throw them away.

I'm partial to .22 military trainers right at the moment but I did pick up a well worn (nice shooter) Winchester M1 Carbine in a high wood stock last week at a yard sale for $75.00.



Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:49:42 AM EST
U.S. RIFLE CAL. .30 M1
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:51:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By diamond_c:
Finn M39


Been reading on the Finnish M39 in 7.62x53R. Sounds like one hell of a tack driver.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:54:15 AM EST

Enfield 1917...a real smooth operator.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:55:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By Donner_und_Blitzen:
I have a couple

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/allproblemsolved/guns/wall/wall.jpg


That is a very nice collection you have. Us poor people can
only dream of that.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:55:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By CSM:
M1 is my preference.



yup, M1's are SEXY
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:56:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 5:56:33 AM EST by supdura]
m44s

the recoil is the main selling point. there are very few rifles that i can shoot 200 rounds with in one sitting and the m44 is one of them.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:56:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Swedish Mausers


Especially this recoilless 10 shot semi-auto one:

http://mauser98.com/ljungmanbench.jpg


What kinda rifle is that fine lookin' rifle?
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:57:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I like them all except for the Carcanos....Hell, the Finns threw them (7.5 version Mussolini sent them) in the ditch as soon as they could get their hands on a Mosin.


Do you have documentation for this story?

Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:58:46 AM EST
Swiss K31.

Soviet M44.

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Link Posted: 10/19/2012 5:59:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I like them all except for the Carcanos....Hell, the Finns threw them (7.5 version Mussolini sent them) in the ditch as soon as they could get their hands on a Mosin. It says a lot about a weapon when a warring nation that needed all the rifles they could get would just throw them away.

I'm partial to .22 military trainers right at the moment but I did pick up a well worn (nice shooter) Winchester M1 Carbine in a high wood stock last week at a yard sale for $75.00.

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2rpeoig.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/zy6dt2.jpg


State Dept hates your gun!

A 30 carbine loaded with FMJs is kinda "meh" for home defense, but load it with JHPs & it will put zombies in the hurt locker post haste.

Seriously, are we not Arfcom? Who would not like to own this?:










Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:00:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 6:00:54 AM EST by LongueCarabine]
I like my 1903. It was made by Remington in 1942, bought it off of a guy about 10-12 years ago at a gunshow for $400. ETA: And back then, $400 was a fairly high price for an '03.

Went to the local gunshow last weekend and saw several '03's and '03-A3's. None was less than $800. One '03 was $1295! Damn! And it wasn't even made of gold.

To be sure, I've seen some '03's that were expensive, like the one at an HGCA show years back that had the Pedersen device. That one was about $12,000 IIRC.

But a run of the mill '03 for $1295? Just unreal.

LC
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:00:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I like them all except for the Carcanos....Hell, the Finns threw them (7.5 version Mussolini sent them) in the ditch as soon as they could get their hands on a Mosin. It says a lot about a weapon when a warring nation that needed all the rifles they could get would just throw them away.

I'm partial to .22 military trainers right at the moment but I did pick up a well worn (nice shooter) Winchester M1 Carbine in a high wood stock last week at a yard sale for $75.00.

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2rpeoig.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/zy6dt2.jpg


Damn! Was it out in view or did you have to ask if there were any guns for sale? I wish I could get that lucky.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:03:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By THE_BUSHMAN:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Swedish Mausers


Especially this recoilless 10 shot semi-auto one:

http://mauser98.com/ljungmanbench.jpg


What kinda rifle is that fine lookin' rifle?


From wiki: "The Automatgevär m/42 (Ag m/42, outside of Sweden commonly known as the AG42, AG-42 or Ljungman) is a Swedish semi-automatic rifle which saw limited use by the Swedish Army from 1942 until the 1960s.

The Ag m/42 was designed by Erik Eklund of the AB C.J. Ljungmans Verkstäder company of Malmö around 1941, and entered production at the Carl Gustafs Stads Gevärsfaktori in Eskilstuna in 1942. Some 30,000 rifles were manufactured in all for the Swedish Army. This was a relatively small number of weapons and the standard infantry rifle remained the 6.5 mm bolt action m/96 Mauser. The Ag m/42B was replaced in Swedish service in the 1960s by the Heckler & Koch G3-derived Ak 4

The Ag m/42B was used as the basis for the Egyptian Hakim rifle, which uses the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge. Sweden sold the machinery to Egypt and the Hakim was therefore built with the same machine tools used for the Ag m/42B. Eventually, the Hakim was modified into a carbine using the intermediate-power 7.62x39mm Russian cartridge, called the Rashid or Rasheed.

[edit] OperationThe Ag m/42 is operated by means of a direct impingement gas system, similar to that of the French MAS-49 and American M16 rifles. The Ag m/42 also uses a tilting breech block like the Tokarev SVT-38/SVT-40, the MAS-49 and FN FAL rifles."


ABOUT $450 TO $800 ON TODAY'S MARKET.






Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:07:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By aimforthemedic:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I like them all except for the Carcanos....Hell, the Finns threw them (7.5 version Mussolini sent them) in the ditch as soon as they could get their hands on a Mosin. It says a lot about a weapon when a warring nation that needed all the rifles they could get would just throw them away.

I'm partial to .22 military trainers right at the moment but I did pick up a well worn (nice shooter) Winchester M1 Carbine in a high wood stock last week at a yard sale for $75.00.

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2rpeoig.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/zy6dt2.jpg


Damn! Was it out in view or did you have to ask if there were any guns for sale? I wish I could get that lucky.


I asked. I got a Bubbaed Type 99 too.

Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:11:46 AM EST



My M1D..
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:14:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By diamond_c:
Finn M39


Truly one of my most boneheaded moves was selling mine. Had to have surgery and pay the bills though... but it still kicks me in the nuts to think about that gun. It had the most beautiful stock with blossoms of mocha and pretty good steel too.

Fuck. I'm sad.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:15:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 6:15:42 AM EST by FluffyTheCat]
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By THE_BUSHMAN:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Swedish Mausers


Especially this recoilless 10 shot semi-auto one:

http://mauser98.com/ljungmanbench.jpg


What kinda rifle is that fine lookin' rifle?


From wiki: "The Automatgevär m/42 (Ag m/42, outside of Sweden commonly known as the AG42, AG-42 or Ljungman) is a Swedish semi-automatic rifle which saw limited use by the Swedish Army from 1942 until the 1960s.

The Ag m/42 was designed by Erik Eklund of the AB C.J. Ljungmans Verkstäder company of Malmö around 1941, and entered production at the Carl Gustafs Stads Gevärsfaktori in Eskilstuna in 1942. Some 30,000 rifles were manufactured in all for the Swedish Army. This was a relatively small number of weapons and the standard infantry rifle remained the 6.5 mm bolt action m/96 Mauser. The Ag m/42B was replaced in Swedish service in the 1960s by the Heckler & Koch G3-derived Ak 4

The Ag m/42B was used as the basis for the Egyptian Hakim rifle, which uses the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge. Sweden sold the machinery to Egypt and the Hakim was therefore built with the same machine tools used for the Ag m/42B. Eventually, the Hakim was modified into a carbine using the intermediate-power 7.62x39mm Russian cartridge, called the Rashid or Rasheed.

[edit] OperationThe Ag m/42 is operated by means of a direct impingement gas system, similar to that of the French MAS-49 and American M16 rifles. The Ag m/42 also uses a tilting breech block like the Tokarev SVT-38/SVT-40, the MAS-49 and FN FAL rifles."


ABOUT $450 TO $800 ON TODAY'S MARKET.











The AG-42B is a very well made interesting rifle. The trouble is that they blow up. I've seen two of them that blew up. The parts were scattered up to 25 yards away. It was a good thing that no-one was killed. We found the fired case and it was apparent that the case had not properly chambered. Somehow the rifle fired out of battery. This was with Norma factory ammo.

You could not pay me enough money to fire one of these rifles. They are dangerous.


Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:19:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:20:53 AM EST
I already said this in another thread, the 1917 Enfield.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:24:38 AM EST
Anything from WW2.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:51:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 7:03:57 AM EST by CBR900]
Originally Posted By FluffyTheCat:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By THE_BUSHMAN:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Swedish Mausers


Especially this recoilless 10 shot semi-auto one:

http://mauser98.com/ljungmanbench.jpg


What kinda rifle is that fine lookin' rifle?


From wiki: "The Automatgevär m/42 (Ag m/42, outside of Sweden commonly known as the AG42, AG-42 or Ljungman) is a Swedish semi-automatic rifle which saw limited use by the Swedish Army from 1942 until the 1960s.

The Ag m/42 was designed by Erik Eklund of the AB C.J. Ljungmans Verkstäder company of Malmö around 1941, and entered production at the Carl Gustafs Stads Gevärsfaktori in Eskilstuna in 1942. Some 30,000 rifles were manufactured in all for the Swedish Army. This was a relatively small number of weapons and the standard infantry rifle remained the 6.5 mm bolt action m/96 Mauser. The Ag m/42B was replaced in Swedish service in the 1960s by the Heckler & Koch G3-derived Ak 4

The Ag m/42B was used as the basis for the Egyptian Hakim rifle, which uses the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge. Sweden sold the machinery to Egypt and the Hakim was therefore built with the same machine tools used for the Ag m/42B. Eventually, the Hakim was modified into a carbine using the intermediate-power 7.62x39mm Russian cartridge, called the Rashid or Rasheed.

[edit] OperationThe Ag m/42 is operated by means of a direct impingement gas system, similar to that of the French MAS-49 and American M16 rifles. The Ag m/42 also uses a tilting breech block like the Tokarev SVT-38/SVT-40, the MAS-49 and FN FAL rifles."

ABOUT $450 TO $800 ON TODAY'S MARKET.

The AG-42B is a very well made interesting rifle. The trouble is that they blow up. I've seen two of them that blew up. The parts were scattered up to 25 yards away. It was a good thing that no-one was killed. We found the fired case and it was apparent that the case had not properly chambered. Somehow the rifle fired out of battery. This was with Norma factory ammo.

You could not pay me enough money to fire one of these rifles. They are dangerous.



Wrong ammo. The "victims" failed to do even basic background research on their guns. Fact is, the Hakims and even 8mm bolt guns regularly blow up IF you put the wrong ammo in them - Turk 8mm comes to mind particularly. Tokerevs have blown up. Heck, even Garands & M1As have blown up if the wrong ammo is used. No one makes irresponsible blanket statements about those guns. Read all about how "those Garands blow up!@" here: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350311

(Actually, they don't blow up if you know anything about what ammo to use).


It was not the gun, it was USER ERROR in those cases of blow ups
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 6:54:10 AM EST
I love em all but the German and Persian Mausers are my favorites. Enfield III's and 4's are next.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 7:08:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 7:09:23 AM EST by FluffyTheCat]
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By FluffyTheCat:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By THE_BUSHMAN:
Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Swedish Mausers


Especially this recoilless 10 shot semi-auto one:

http://mauser98.com/ljungmanbench.jpg


What kinda rifle is that fine lookin' rifle?


From wiki: "The Automatgevär m/42 (Ag m/42, outside of Sweden commonly known as the AG42, AG-42 or Ljungman) is a Swedish semi-automatic rifle which saw limited use by the Swedish Army from 1942 until the 1960s.

The Ag m/42 was designed by Erik Eklund of the AB C.J. Ljungmans Verkstäder company of Malmö around 1941, and entered production at the Carl Gustafs Stads Gevärsfaktori in Eskilstuna in 1942. Some 30,000 rifles were manufactured in all for the Swedish Army. This was a relatively small number of weapons and the standard infantry rifle remained the 6.5 mm bolt action m/96 Mauser. The Ag m/42B was replaced in Swedish service in the 1960s by the Heckler & Koch G3-derived Ak 4

The Ag m/42B was used as the basis for the Egyptian Hakim rifle, which uses the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge. Sweden sold the machinery to Egypt and the Hakim was therefore built with the same machine tools used for the Ag m/42B. Eventually, the Hakim was modified into a carbine using the intermediate-power 7.62x39mm Russian cartridge, called the Rashid or Rasheed.

[edit] OperationThe Ag m/42 is operated by means of a direct impingement gas system, similar to that of the French MAS-49 and American M16 rifles. The Ag m/42 also uses a tilting breech block like the Tokarev SVT-38/SVT-40, the MAS-49 and FN FAL rifles."

ABOUT $450 TO $800 ON TODAY'S MARKET.

The AG-42B is a very well made interesting rifle. The trouble is that they blow up. I've seen two of them that blew up. The parts were scattered up to 25 yards away. It was a good thing that no-one was killed. We found the fired case and it was apparent that the case had not properly chambered. Somehow the rifle fired out of battery. This was with Norma factory ammo.

You could not pay me enough money to fire one of these rifles. They are dangerous.



Wrong ammo. The "victims" failed to do even basic background research on their guns. Fact is, the Hakims and even 8mm bolt guns regularly blow up IF you put the wrong ammo in them - Turk 8mm comes to mind particularly. Tokerevs have blown up. Heck, even Garands & M1As have blown up if the wrong ammo is used. No one makes irresponsible blanket statements about those guns. Read all about how "those Garands blow up!@" here: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350311

(Actually, they don't blow up if you know anything about what ammo to use).


It was not the gun, it was USER ERROR in those cases of blow ups



I didn't come here to argue with you. But it is the gun. AG-42Bs blow up with commercial and military ammo. If you want to shoot them go ahead. It's your face and your eyes that are at risk.

I am not making "irresponsible blanket statements"

It would be irresponsible for me not to warn others. The only safe ammo to use with an AG-42B is blank ammo.

Link Posted: 10/19/2012 7:34:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2012 7:37:07 AM EST by THE_BUSHMAN]
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I like them all except for the Carcanos....Hell, the Finns threw them (7.5 version Mussolini sent them) in the ditch as soon as they could get their hands on a Mosin. It says a lot about a weapon when a warring nation that needed all the rifles they could get would just throw them away.

I'm partial to .22 military trainers right at the moment but I did pick up a well worn (nice shooter) Winchester M1 Carbine in a high wood stock last week at a yard sale for $75.00.

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2rpeoig.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/zy6dt2.jpg
Nice carbine there.

I had a buddy take one of his M1 Carbines an convert it to a 45 Win Mag. There was a guy years ago that did the conversions.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 7:40:10 AM EST
As I age, I am becoming more recoil sensitive, so I have sold off most of my bolts but kept my Garand and M1 Carbine.
Link Posted: 10/19/2012 7:41:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By THE_BUSHMAN:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I like them all except for the Carcanos....Hell, the Finns threw them (7.5 version Mussolini sent them) in the ditch as soon as they could get their hands on a Mosin. It says a lot about a weapon when a warring nation that needed all the rifles they could get would just throw them away.

I'm partial to .22 military trainers right at the moment but I did pick up a well worn (nice shooter) Winchester M1 Carbine in a high wood stock last week at a yard sale for $75.00.

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2rpeoig.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/zy6dt2.jpg
Nice carbine there.

I had a buddy take one of his M1 Carbines an convert it to a 45 Win Mag. There was a guy years ago that did the conversions.



Tim LaFrance?

Link Posted: 10/19/2012 7:43:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By THE_BUSHMAN:
I say the ole' 8mm mausers are great all around hunting and paper shooters.
What is your choice?



Agree about the mauser. I like the mauser k-98 and the m-1 carbine. I really don't care to own any other milsurplus rifles. I especially don't care for the m-1. I don't know why. I just don't. I would have preferred to carry the m-1 carbine in Vietnam rather than the m-16 actually because I wasn't a front-line grunt in the shit every day. Some of the ARVNs had them as I recall.
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