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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:53:07 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT A member showed up today and my co-worker had seen him last week and said that he had some seriously high dollar precision .22's and was into small bore competitions. We had a break so I decided to go chat him up for a bit. He had two CZ's and he offered to let me shoot one of them. I don't ever turn down shooting new guns for free so I agreed. I loaded up the 5 rd mag and put it in the gun and chambered a round and set it on safe. I then assumed a safe direction of the muzzle and moved to a firing position to his right ( the gun was at the table to his left with all of his other stuff). I knelled down and had the gun angled somewhere in the vicinity of 20-30 degrees when I took the safety off and as soon as it clicked off, bang. I was alarmed but took it in stride. I then found out why it went off. I chambered another round and sighted in. I put my finger on the trigger and it went off. I was done for the day with those guns. I asked him if he had trigger work done. His response was yes, and that he did the work. I asked him what they were set at. Three to six ounces was the reply. So, lesson learned. Always practice all the safety rules. I was doing everything right and I had a gun fail on me. So, next time that nice guy at the range offers to let you shoot his guns...be careful. Lucky for me the berm is also the side of a big hill with lots of trees. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:54:35 AM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 1:56:06 AM by floridahunter07]
Gotta love it, right?
The guy who shot me claimed that "something pressed the trigger when he tried to put it back in the case" when it was very clear from the path the bullet took through me and my desk that he was holding it at waist-level, much higher than the case which was sitting on the mattress... that leaves his finger as the only thing that pressed the trigger. Sounds like you ran into a similar type of moron. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:55:09 AM
Dang! 3-6 oz? I've got no business with something like that
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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:55:21 AM
Glad your ok. Thats some scary shit.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:59:28 AM
He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:02:23 AM
One of the rare cases it was an AD and not an ND.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:03:50 AM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 2:06:37 AM by morningwood1429]
Originally Posted By 14TheKid:
He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. This Eta: a random guy at a pistol range a few years back had commented on my pistol and I on his so he hands it to me and says "let loose!l It was a Ruger mk2 with a red dot and a hair trigger just like the one you shot. Needless to say the bullet didn't go where I intended it to |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:03:52 AM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 2:04:27 AM by KillerTux]
If you need anything lighter then a 1-2lbs trigger pull (single stage) to make good groups you have no business being behind a rifle.
Both my CZ 452 FS and Varmint have yodave trigger shims installed i function and bump checked them with and w/o ammo for about 30 minutes to an hour to make sure they don't just "go off"
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:05:43 AM
Originally Posted By 14TheKid:
He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. yes sir. Holy shit, 3 to 6 ounces, huh? |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:06:08 AM
Originally Posted By 14TheKid: He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. You're telling me!!!! |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:07:51 AM
Originally Posted By RyJones: That's what he said after the fact. One was 6 and one was 3. Originally Posted By 14TheKid: He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. yes sir. Holy shit, 3 to 6 ounces, huh? |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:08:08 AM
Originally Posted By 14TheKid: He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. No kidding, that's ridiculous. ![]() |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:08:16 AM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 2:08:35 AM by feelthepayne]
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
First time it's ever happened to me. I was at a public range shooting for work purposes. It's members only so we're rarely bothered and occasionally one or two people will show up and shoot for a bit. Sometimes they'll keep to themselves and sometimes they'll wander down our way and make small talk. A member showed up today and my co-worker had seen him last week and said that he had some seriously high dollar precision .22's and was into small bore competitions. We had a break so I decided to go chat him up for a bit. He had two CZ's and he offered to let me shoot one of them. I don't ever turn down shooting new guns for free so I agreed. I loaded up the 5 rd mag and put it in the gun and chambered a round and set it on safe. I then assumed a safe direction of the muzzle and moved to a firing position to his right ( the gun was at the table to his left with all of his other stuff). I knelled down and had the gun angled somewhere in the vicinity of 20-30 degrees when I took the safety off and as soon as it clicked off, bang. I was alarmed but took it in stride. I then found out why it went off. I chambered another round and sighted in. I put my finger on the trigger and it went off. I was done for the day with those guns.
I asked him if he had trigger work done. His response was yes, and that he did the work. I asked him what they were set at. Three to six ounces was the reply. So, lesson learned. Always practice all the safety rules. I was doing everything right and I had a gun fail on me. So, next time that nice guy at the range offers to let you shoot his guns...be careful. Lucky for me the berm is also the side of a big hill with lots of trees. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:10:28 AM
Never understood the thought behind setting up a trigger like that. The only thing it does is make a conversation and an unsafe firearm.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:10:36 AM
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie: Originally Posted By RyJones: That's what he said after the fact. One was 6 and one was 3. Originally Posted By 14TheKid: He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. yes sir. Holy shit, 3 to 6 ounces, huh? Thanks for sharing dude, it's a good reminder to be wary of what an assclown might have WECSOG'd up for himself. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:11:00 AM
Originally Posted By InjunJoe:
One of the rare cases it was an AD and not an ND. This. At home trigger jobs can be scary. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:12:59 AM
Originally Posted By jakoury256: Never understood the thought behind setting up a trigger like that. The only thing it does is make a conversation and an unsafe firearm. Depending on the gun, it might be debatable whether it's safe for the guy aware of it. But it's definitely not safe to hand that to somebody without any warning. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:16:33 AM
Welcome to the club....
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:29:30 AM
Holy fuck...I thought my STI 1911 at 2 1/4 lbs was a light trigger....
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:31:03 AM
Originally Posted By KillerTux:
If you need anything lighter then a 1-2lbs trigger pull (single stage) to make good groups you have no business being behind a rifle. Both my CZ 452 FS and Varmint have yodave trigger shims installed i function and bump checked them with and w/o ammo for about 30 minutes to an hour to make sure they don't just "go off"
From my research it seems that triggers in the ounces are pretty common for smallbore. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:32:28 AM
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
Originally Posted By jakoury256:
Never understood the thought behind setting up a trigger like that. The only thing it does is make a conversation and an unsafe firearm. Depending on the gun, it might be debatable whether it's safe for the guy aware of it. But it's definitely not safe to hand that to somebody without any warning. Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:32:31 AM
As stated above, he absolutely should have told you about the sensitivity of the trigger. Sheesh
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:34:58 AM
Originally Posted By RyJones: Originally Posted By 14TheKid: He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. yes sir. Holy shit, 3 to 6 ounces, huh? I picked up a model 29 S & W in a gun shop several months ago with a trigger that was about 1lb, holy shit I couldn't do more than touch the trigger and it was firing. Way too sensitive for any normal person to be safe with. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:37:26 AM
He should have said something , and your lack of exposure to that sort of equipment bit ya
because yes there are many rifles out there with sub 1lb triggers I also don't slap the bolt home hard in anything until I have had a chance to shoot and or mess with the trigger |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:38:19 AM
Giggity
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:39:28 AM
Originally Posted By wwace: Originally Posted By RyJones: Originally Posted By 14TheKid: He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. yes sir. Holy shit, 3 to 6 ounces, huh? I picked up a model 29 S & W in a gun shop several months ago with a trigger that was about 1lb, holy shit I couldn't do more than touch the trigger and it was firing. Way too sensitive for any normal person to be safe with. yeah get used to it ( I used to have a 6mm BR and a .223 that were around 6oz) on the flip side once ya do it kinda makes shooting a normal 2lb+ trigger difficult |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:41:02 AM
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42: Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() releasing the safety didn't do it OP's finger on the trigger did |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:42:08 AM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 8:07:49 AM by JoeCoastie]
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com: Originally Posted By hotbiggun42: Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() releasing the safety didn't do it OP's finger on the trigger did ![]() OH, you're serious. How in the blue hell is my finger in the trigger on a CZ when my left hand is on the forearm and I'm not even griping the wrist of the rifle with my right hand? Oh, yeah, I forgot, you were there and saw me do it. Thanks for calling my character into question. ![]() Misunderstanding cleared up. Sorry for going off half cocked. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:44:00 AM
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() releasing the safety didn't do it OP's finger on the trigger did Ah then you should tell the OP because he said it fired when he released the safety. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:44:20 AM
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42: Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo: Originally Posted By jakoury256: Never understood the thought behind setting up a trigger like that. The only thing it does is make a conversation and an unsafe firearm. Depending on the gun, it might be debatable whether it's safe for the guy aware of it. But it's definitely not safe to hand that to somebody without any warning. Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() That isn't what I said, is it? "Depending on the gun," Meaning whether the gun remains safe. Obviously the gun Joe handled was unsafe and malfunctioning. I'm not sure any gun could have a trigger that light and still pass a drop test, so it isn't just an issue of trigger pull. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:45:26 AM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 2:53:57 AM by www-glock19-com]
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie: Originally Posted By www-glock19-com: Originally Posted By hotbiggun42: Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() releasing the safety didn't do it OP's finger on the trigger did ![]() Thanks for calling my character into question. ![]() Am I misreading your post ? ( never mind see the edit ) Thought you had a finger on the trigger and it went when ya snicked the safety off then yes guy is a douche and his trigger job is defective had a savage a local "gunsmith" did a trigger job on that would do that , and fire if the bolt was slammed home too briskly sorry its late and my mind combined these 2 sentences I am going to bed now Originally Posted By JoeCoastie: I took the safety off and as soon as it clicked off, bang. I was alarmed but took it in stride. I then found out why it went off. I chambered another round and sighted in. I put my finger on the trigger and it went off. I was done for the day with those guns. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:45:50 AM
3 oz? My heart beating would set it of. Holy shit!
The lightest trigger I've pulled was on my brothers CZ 22-250. Two stage trigger with the first being 5lbs, and the second being 1.5lbs. I can't see going any lighter than that for any application I would utilize it in. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:47:28 AM
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:49:57 AM
Originally Posted By JoshAston: Originally Posted By KillerTux: If you need anything lighter then a 1-2lbs trigger pull (single stage) to make good groups you have no business being behind a rifle. Both my CZ 452 FS and Varmint have yodave trigger shims installed i function and bump checked them with and w/o ammo for about 30 minutes to an hour to make sure they don't just "go off" ![]() From my research it seems that triggers in the ounces are pretty common for smallbore. Big difference between an Anschutz/Walther competition trigger and a shimmed CZ or Savage trigger. I still think the CZ452 doesn't need a anything lighter then a 1lbs trigger for ANY use |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:57:25 AM
3-6 oz?
Fuck. That. Shit. ![]() |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:57:46 AM
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
He should have said something , and your lack of exposure to that sort of equipment bit ya because yes there are many rifles out there with sub 1lb triggers I also don't slap the bolt home hard in anything until I have had a chance to shoot and or mess with the trigger I learned that one. I worked at a range (indoor with the rubber backstop) in my young college days. We installed a scope on a 300 WM for a customer and he wanted us to shoot it at 25 so when he picks it up he can finish it at 200 or whatever he wanted to sight in at ( or probably not at all and just wing it). Being me I made sure the rifle was pointed downrange, loaded the magazine with the rifle on the bench and made sure my plugs and muffs were tight because this was going to be loud. I closed the bolt firmly and *KA -BOOM*. I was holding the forend with my left hand but the stock wasn't firmly against my shoulder but that was soon corrected. I looked downrange for some reason. No hole in the paper so who knows where the fuck that one went. I pulled the bolt out and used a pen the unload the internal mag. Took it back to the work area and told my supervisor what had happened and that I was not touching it again. Later he got a snap cap and dry fired it. You could hit the trigger from the side and it would go. Guy came back on my day off. Bitched to my boss and my boss got someone to do the job for the guy and admitted he had worked on the trigger himself. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:58:07 AM
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() releasing the safety didn't do it OP's finger on the trigger did
OH, you're serious. How in the blue hell is my finger in the trigger on a CZ when my left hand is on the forearm and I'm not even griping the wrist of the rifle with my right hand? Oh, yeah, I forgot, you were there and saw me do it. Thanks for calling my character into question.
Calm down, the way you wrote the story you made it sound that way. Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
I then found out why it went off. I chambered another round and sighted in. I put my finger on the trigger and it went off. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 3:07:40 AM
Many target and bench rest guns have triggers as light as 2 ounces, especially target .22's. Any competitive .22 match will have most, if not all the contenders shooting sub 6 ounce triggers. .22 bulls eyes are dime sized at 50 and sometimes 100 yards. Even then, matches are sometimes decided by group size, because more than one guy shoots perfect.
This trigger set was defective, since it fired with release of the safety. I've shot two ounce 22 triggers, they require constant focus, breathing control and calmness. Col. Coopers rules ALWAYS apply. I'm glad no one was hurt, but the onus is always on the shooter, if you are unfamiliar with the rifle or pistol YOU have the obligation to ask questions and familiarize yourself with the rifle or pistol. That is why every new weapon comes with a manual that says "Read this first before loading or firing" ! |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 3:11:12 AM
A guy I used to work with used to shoot competitively using a .44 Mag with a hair trigger. Needless to say he found out the hard way why extreamly light triggers are a bad idea. He kept the gun cocked while holstered, and When he went to draw the gun from his holster without touching the trigger the gun fired and the .44 mag bullet entered his mid thigh and exited his kneecap. Long story short Lt. Dan got a new leg.
Lucky for you you know how to keep the muzzle in a safe direction. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 3:11:45 AM
Originally Posted By jtielke:
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() releasing the safety didn't do it OP's finger on the trigger did
OH, you're serious. How in the blue hell is my finger in the trigger on a CZ when my left hand is on the forearm and I'm not even griping the wrist of the rifle with my right hand? Oh, yeah, I forgot, you were there and saw me do it. Thanks for calling my character into question.
Calm down, the way you wrote the story you made it sound that way. Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
I then found out why it went off. I chambered another round and sighted in. I put my finger on the trigger and it went off. aBag on the OP if you want, but a trigger set that light is stupid. He didn't realize his finger was on it when it fired I'm sure. A 2# trigger is light. That shit is stupid. Butterflies agree with me. You can be all badassed if you want. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 3:23:26 AM
Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Originally Posted By jtielke:
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() releasing the safety didn't do it OP's finger on the trigger did
OH, you're serious. How in the blue hell is my finger in the trigger on a CZ when my left hand is on the forearm and I'm not even griping the wrist of the rifle with my right hand? Oh, yeah, I forgot, you were there and saw me do it. Thanks for calling my character into question.
Calm down, the way you wrote the story you made it sound that way. Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
I then found out why it went off. I chambered another round and sighted in. I put my finger on the trigger and it went off. aBag on the OP if you want, but a trigger set that light is stupid. He didn't realize his finger was on it when it fired I'm sure. A 2# trigger is light. That shit is stupid. Butterflies agree with me. You can be all badassed if you want. I never said a trigger that light was a good idea and I think the guy definitely should have warned him. I was just pointing out the way the story was written wasn't the way he meant it to come across after I saw his clarification. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 3:24:26 AM
Originally Posted By bwaites: meh. I think knowledge that your firearm is WAY below average trigger weight makes you half responsible and you should warn anyone that plans on shooting it. My 7mm rem mag has a 2 pound pull and I make sure everyone knows it who touches it. Most people who haven't shot a light trigger get an unexpected jolt from that one. Nobody expects it to go off that easy even though I tell them it will.Many target and bench rest guns have triggers as light as 2 ounces, especially target .22's. Any competitive .22 match will have most, if not all the contenders shooting sub 6 ounce triggers. .22 bulls eyes are dime sized at 50 and sometimes 100 yards. Even then, matches are sometimes decided by group size, because more than one guy shoots perfect. This trigger set was defective, since it fired with release of the safety. I've shot two ounce 22 triggers, they require constant focus, breathing control and calmness. Col. Coopers rules ALWAYS apply. I'm glad no one was hurt, but the onus is always on the shooter, if you are unfamiliar with the rifle or pistol YOU have the obligation to ask questions and familiarize yourself with the rifle or pistol. That is why every new weapon comes with a manual that says "Read this first before loading or firing" ! |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 3:54:19 AM
Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Releasing the safety makes the gun fire and you think it might be debatable weather it is safe or not? ![]() releasing the safety didn't do it OP's finger on the trigger did My Savage .22 went off by releasing the safety once, then I got it fixed. Shit CAN happen. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 4:08:56 AM
Originally Posted By 14TheKid:
He should have shared that with you before handing you the rifle. This |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 4:14:42 AM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 4:15:37 AM by PanzerOfDoom]
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
First time it's ever happened to me. I was at a public range shooting for work purposes. It's members only so we're rarely bothered and occasionally one or two people will show up and shoot for a bit. Sometimes they'll keep to themselves and sometimes they'll wander down our way and make small talk. A member showed up today and my co-worker had seen him last week and said that he had some seriously high dollar precision .22's and was into small bore competitions. We had a break so I decided to go chat him up for a bit. He had two CZ's and he offered to let me shoot one of them. I don't ever turn down shooting new guns for free so I agreed. I loaded up the 5 rd mag and put it in the gun and chambered a round and set it on safe. I then assumed a safe direction of the muzzle and moved to a firing position to his right ( the gun was at the table to his left with all of his other stuff). I knelled down and had the gun angled somewhere in the vicinity of 20-30 degrees when I took the safety off and as soon as it clicked off, bang. I was alarmed but took it in stride. I then found out why it went off. I chambered another round and sighted in. I put my finger on the trigger and it went off. I was done for the day with those guns.
I asked him if he had trigger work done. His response was yes, and that he did the work. I asked him what they were set at. Three to six ounces was the reply. So, lesson learned. Always practice all the safety rules. I was doing everything right and I had a gun fail on me. So, next time that nice guy at the range offers to let you shoot his guns...be careful. Lucky for me the berm is also the side of a big hill with lots of trees. Dat's how they roll in KY bro. Three, six whatever it takes. ![]() |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 4:35:58 AM
I would be willing to bet that the guy gets a kick out of watching people "discover" that little fact about his trigger job.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 5:22:32 AM
Originally Posted By KillerTux:
If you need anything lighter then a 1-2lbs trigger pull (single stage) to make good groups you have no business being behind a rifle. Both my CZ 452 FS and Varmint have yodave trigger shims installed i function and bump checked them with and w/o ammo for about 30 minutes to an hour to make sure they don't just "go off"
If you need anything more than a bolt action rifle to make a hit then you have no business owning semi-automatic weapons. See how ridiculous your statement is? Personal freedoms, don't tread on them. You got lemon juice all up in your eye. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 5:49:19 AM
Originally Posted By easttxshooter:
Dang! 3-6 oz? I've got no business with something like that ![]() This. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:32:37 AM
No holes in hands
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:43:08 AM
An old manager at a previous job had a lot of VERY nice competition guns that all had lightened triggers. One in particular, a .357 revolver, had about a 2 pound trigger. He would just not bring that to the range when we were going to have unknown people around; it only came out when he knew the skill level of everyone who was going to be there.
It's not a dig at the OP at all, but the guy who owned that rifle shouldn't be putting it in the hands of strangers with unknown skill levels, and even when he gives it to known shooters, he needs to warn them about the trigger. Anyone I hand my 22/45 to gets a reminder to have it on target before taking the safety off, and it just has a Volquartsen trigger set to 3-4 pounds. |
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:47:41 AM
a friend once handed me his "accurized" mosin
I went to take up the slack on the trigger and it went bang I was surprised to say the least then he told me it had a huber concepts trigger. I'm now looking at huber concepts triggers for my scout mosin :) it's safe, but you DO NOT feel when it's about to break, it just does that ball bearing on the contact surface is kinda neat |
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