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What's it like trying to go thru life so terrified of everything?



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Holy cray. This again?

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lol where are they going to store it

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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:21:48 AM EST
Look at the bright side. When S does HTF there'll be more ammo availiable.

BTW What calibers are they ordering?


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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:22:46 AM EST
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they gunna do what they gunna do.............preparation is key


First post nails it.

Eventually they'll try something stupid. We just need to be ready.


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357 Sig,nobody uses that shit anyway.


I do through my Glock 32. Love the round.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:26:45 AM EST
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Where is the best place to get a good solid tinfoil helmet?


I don't know, but with as many folks needing them I see a market.....

tin foil lined;
boonie hats
baseball caps
Viking helmets, non conductive horns cost extra
MICH helmets
prefit liners for current issue Kevlar
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the government typically orders ammo in the quantity of 100s of billions

750M is like nothing

that's what they use, no kidding, to kill 1000 guys on the battlefield

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I should have went into the ammo factory business.

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What's it like trying to go thru life so terrified of everything?


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Fuck I wish I had their ammo budget


You do. It's just that they have "taken" it from you in the form of "taxes". They then use your money to buy up all the supply, while increasing prices at the same time. Then they have more, while you have less. Repeat the process as needed.

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I wonder what they are planning to do with since they tell their agents to Run, Hide, Throw things.
obviously they are using it to shoot bad guys. hey wait that leaves unarmed citizens
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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:35:46 AM EST
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the government typically orders ammo in the quantity of 100s of billions

750M is like nothing

that's what they use, no kidding, to kill 1000 guys on the battlefield


I don't think you know how big 750 million is.

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The Virginia State Police uses it.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:39:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:

Originally Posted By helmutlent:
357 Sig,nobody uses that shit anyway.


The Virginia State Police uses it.


So does Texas DPS. They love it.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:39:56 AM EST
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the government typically orders ammo in the quantity of 100s of billions

750M is like nothing

that's what they use, no kidding, to kill 1000 guys on the battlefield


I don't think you know how big 750 million is.


You're right, now that I think on it, that's actually a huge amount of ammo for DHS.

That's like 50% of the lake city production for the year.


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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:39:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By Redarts:
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
the government typically orders ammo in the quantity of 100s of billions

750M is like nothing

that's what they use, no kidding, to kill 1000 guys on the battlefield


I don't think you know how big 750 million is.


Or how small it is when talking govt purchases.
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Why would anyone need to order 750 million rounds of ammunition over the internet?

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That sounds like a..............


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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:44:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Plumbata:
Originally Posted By Redarts:
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
the government typically orders ammo in the quantity of 100s of billions

750M is like nothing

that's what they use, no kidding, to kill 1000 guys on the battlefield


I don't think you know how big 750 million is.


Or how small it is when talking govt purchases.


This is DHS.

750 million is a pretty big number by any metric.

If the 1000:1 ratio was used, you would expend 750000 rounds to kill one person on the battlefield. Regardless, this is for "training purposes" and is therefore aimed at a much smaller group of people than the military members that would be on the "battlefield" and making those billion unit plus orders.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:44:54 AM EST
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Look at the bright side. When S does HTF there'll be more ammo availiable.

BTW What calibers are they ordering?




Everything it looks like. .223, .308, 30.06, 12 ga birdshot/buckshot/slugs, .357 sig, .38, .40, .45 and most of those are being ordered in several different types. For example, the .223 is being ordered in 55, 62, 64, 69 and 77 grain. I wish I could order ammo like that

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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:45:01 AM EST
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Did they actually order it and execute a delivery order for 750m rounds, or is this just another IDIQ that covers 750m rounds?

ETA: The government did not buy 750m rounds.

They WILL buy 1000 rounds in the first year after award. IF they feel like it, they might order more up to the maximum counts described. For one year. Then, IF they feel like it they might award you a second option year and WILL buy 100 rounds. If they feel like it again, they might order more. And so on.

It helps to know how to read contracts if one is going to comment on them.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:50:03 AM EST
This interesting, but my question still is why does the Office of the Inspector General of the Department of Education need to buy shotguns?


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The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14" - PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT - XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID - 14" LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

and yes I know this is from a couple years ago, but why does the ED need shotguns, If their inspector general needs to raid some place why doesn't he use the Marshalls or the FBI? This may be herpy derpy, but there seems to be a lot of armament buying going on by diverse alphabet agencies.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:54:27 AM EST
Hey, they have to be ready. You guys don't get upset when a fellow ARFCOMMER buys preps do you?

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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:55:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By Redarts:
Originally Posted By Plumbata:
Originally Posted By Redarts:
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
the government typically orders ammo in the quantity of 100s of billions

750M is like nothing

that's what they use, no kidding, to kill 1000 guys on the battlefield


I don't think you know how big 750 million is.


Or how small it is when talking govt purchases.


This is DHS.

750 million is a pretty big number by any metric.

If the 1000:1 ratio was used, you would expend 750000 rounds to kill one person on the battlefield. Regardless, this is for "training purposes" and is therefore aimed at a much smaller group of people than the military members that would be on the "battlefield" and making those billion unit plus orders.


It's a small number. The REQUEST states that UP TO 750mil rounds
MIGHT be purchased. . They might actually BUY a hundredth of that.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 8:55:37 AM EST
Sounds like the government is buying ammunition like the government buys everything... you know... In mass quantities. I mean, what is the DHS gonna do when it's agents need to qualify with their handguns; give them each $30 and tell them to stop by Wal-Mart on the way to work? To me this sounds like business as usual, some of this will get used for training, some of it for the agents to carry on the job, and the rest of it will end up sitting in a warehouse somewhere til it gets destroyed when the agency switches over to another caliber, or forgotten for 20 odd years.


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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 9:00:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By Plumbata:
Originally Posted By Redarts:
Originally Posted By Plumbata:
Originally Posted By Redarts:
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
the government typically orders ammo in the quantity of 100s of billions

750M is like nothing

that's what they use, no kidding, to kill 1000 guys on the battlefield


I don't think you know how big 750 million is.


Or how small it is when talking govt purchases.


This is DHS.

750 million is a pretty big number by any metric.

If the 1000:1 ratio was used, you would expend 750000 rounds to kill one person on the battlefield. Regardless, this is for "training purposes" and is therefore aimed at a much smaller group of people than the military members that would be on the "battlefield" and making those billion unit plus orders.


It's a small number. The REQUEST states that UP TO 750mil rounds
MIGHT be purchased. . They might actually BUY a hundredth of that.


I'm well aware of how the contracts work. I don't think you were until the above post, given your previous implication that 750 mil was a small number.

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I can understand .mil contracts to refill used inventories, but why does a US .gov Agency (even though has multiple departments under the umbrella) need 750 mil + 450 mil rounds? Im not a tin foil guy but this seems a bit weird since i dont remember the gov outside of the .mil needing so much ammo. It "seems" odd. Now granted this probably covers multiple calibers ranging from 5.56 to 9mm and 40 cal but it seems excessive since how many LE types work for the .gov? now if this is a program to purchase ammo for local municipalities or state agencies (not that the .gov has the authority to do this and give them via grants)
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Let me guess... the second half of your screen name is "citizen"?



That's been pretty well established from his previous posts.
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I can understand .mil contracts to refill used inventories, but why does a US .gov Agency (even though has multiple departments under the umbrella) need 750 mil + 450 mil rounds? Im not a tin foil guy but this seems a bit weird since i dont remember the gov outside of the .mil needing so much ammo. It "seems" odd. Now granted this probably covers multiple calibers ranging from 5.56 to 9mm and 40 cal but it seems excessive since how many LE types work for the .gov? now if this is a program to purchase ammo for local municipalities or state agencies (not that the .gov has the authority to do this and give them via grants)


Ok a legitimate question... you deserve a legitimate answer.

FLETC is more than just law enforcement training guards at our nation's parks. They train EVERY SINGLE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT agency there is except for the FBI. And just about EVERY FEDERAL AGENCY sends specific portions of their employed personnel through FLETC. And FLETC also trains Air Force OSI, NCIS, and some army CID agents. They also take in state and municipal law enforcement and some international partners for training. We, the government, order ammo in bulk and store for its shelf life and cycle it out as necessary. These same agencies rotate officers in for additional training throughout their career and they won't be carrying thousand of rounds into Glynco.

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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 9:31:17 AM EST
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357 Sig,nobody uses that shit anyway.


I do through my Glock 32. Love the round.


Same here

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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 9:37:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kudzu630:
Originally Posted By Fullautoguy:


I can understand .mil contracts to refill used inventories, but why does a US .gov Agency (even though has multiple departments under the umbrella) need 750 mil + 450 mil rounds? Im not a tin foil guy but this seems a bit weird since i dont remember the gov outside of the .mil needing so much ammo. It "seems" odd. Now granted this probably covers multiple calibers ranging from 5.56 to 9mm and 40 cal but it seems excessive since how many LE types work for the .gov? now if this is a program to purchase ammo for local municipalities or state agencies (not that the .gov has the authority to do this and give them via grants)


Ok a legitimate question... you deserve a legitimate answer.

FLETC is more than just law enforcement training guards at our nation's parks. They train EVERY SINGLE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT agency there is except for the FBI. And just about EVERY FEDERAL AGENCY sends specific portions of their employed personnel through FLETC. And FLETC also trains Air Force OSI, NCIS, and some army CID agents. They also take in state and municipal law enforcement and some international partners for training. We, the government, order ammo in bulk and store for its shelf life and cycle it out as necessary. These same agencies rotate officers in for additional training throughout their career and they won't be carrying thousand of rounds into Glynco.



Since you're in a helpful mood, how many Federal Law Enforcement agencies are there? Or, better yet, do you know where I could find a list. It's something I never gave much thought to, so all I can think of are Coast Guard, SS, and the FBI.

Edit: Border Patrol/ICE. A couple of others might hit me.
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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 9:39:58 AM EST
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Did they order it online??


did they get a cash discount?
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Link Posted: 8/13/2012 9:40:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Fullautoguy:


I can understand .mil contracts to refill used inventories, but why does a US .gov Agency (even though has multiple departments under the umbrella) need 750 mil + 450 mil rounds? Im not a tin foil guy but this seems a bit weird since i dont remember the gov outside of the .mil needing so much ammo. It "seems" odd. Now granted this probably covers multiple calibers ranging from 5.56 to 9mm and 40 cal but it seems excessive since how many LE types work for the .gov? now if this is a program to purchase ammo for local municipalities or state agencies (not that the .gov has the authority to do this and give them via grants)


They don't need 750m. That's just the contract ceiling. They're only obligated by the contract to buy 1000 rounds per year exercised.

Somebody in the contracts office probably said "Hey, anybody got a high number for this thing?" and somebody else took a SWAG. It really sucks to burn hot on an IDIQ and suddenly discover that in August you're gotten all you can get for the year. Or there was another contract that said 750m or whatever and the contract guy copied and pasted it.

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