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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:21:59 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 8:25:34 PM by ar154all]
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C: Originally Posted By ar154all: Originally Posted By HKUSP45C: Originally Posted By ToyCop: Originally Posted By HKUSP45C: Originally Posted By ToyCop: Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. I am in Florida. Given this situation in my town, the responding Deputy would most likely not bother the homeowner unless he felt a conviction would be achieved against the 'young man'. I dont know where OP lives, and maybe some liberal public servant may press the homeowner for details, but around here; that would not happen. I good and darn guarantee that if the Deps that patrol this area had something to do with it, they would shake the OPs hand and pull the douche over every time they could for a long darn time. Do you really think OP is going to get any adverse legal consequence from this?
Edit to add: Here, it would be legal to shoot. An ass whipping would be looked at as 'mercy'.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:22:23 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 8:23:29 PM by Spade]
Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
I want to clarify ... it's in my first post as well ... this asshole first slapped Elijah on the hand and then pulled him up by that hand and hit him even harder on the leg while he was dangling a few feet off the floor. Asshole didn't strike Eli's butt. He hit him on the outside of his thigh on his bare skin. It was THAT hit that caused me to swell up three of my knuckles on the douchebag's face and play kickball with his ribs. He pulled him into the air by his arm and then hit him? I'm shocked you didn't kill him. I wouldn't have minded if you had. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:24:19 PM
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree: I'll go to jail for a friend. For my family, I'll gladly go to hell. Not going to happen in this case. Even if the police were called as soon as he made his statement things would become crystal clear. "The guy was beating my child and saying that "his kind needed to be broke early on..."" If the story was remotely believable the young guy's ass would be grass. It would be especially epic if the responding officer were himself a minority. Good fathers protect their children from things like this. OP, the best way to cool off from something like this is to just sit back and hold that baby. There's nothing else quite like it. And you are a special kind of dad seeing as how you stepped up to take in one that wasn't yours in the beginning. That's just outstanding. |
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iteotwawki
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:34:08 PM
Okay ... I'm calmer.
Spent some time making Eli giggle his head off so all is right with the world. He's tucked in bed now and probably out like a light again already. Haven't replied to my aunt's text. I am really not worried about assault charges. I was protecting my kid. As I escorted the asshole from my house (yes, I was shoving him because he was acting like he owned my house, had a right to tell me about mixing races, and didn't want to go on his own) he threw a punch that clipped my ear. It's not my fault the bastard can't fight worth a damn. HE got physical first by hitting my child. He technically threw the fist punch at me as well ––- I was shoving him out of my house before I sent him out headfirst through the bay window. Wife's pal at the Sheriff's office said if the douchebag shows up ... he will mention the racist comments that occurred prior to and after "boyfriend" assaulted my child. Wouldn't it just be awful to be charged with a hate crime against a defenseless baby because of his color? I'm NOT the type of person to pull a race card ––- but I know for a fact he hit my kid because he's black and "they" have to be taught young. His actual words were (according to my wife and my hazy red memory), "You gotta be a co*n dog, Daddy, when you got little co*ns like this running around. Otherwise they'll become porch m*nkey thugs. You have to teach THEM n*glets while they're young." 
I should have tossed him off the deck instead of just the stairs. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:34:11 PM
Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
I want to clarify ... it's in my first post as well ... this asshole first slapped Elijah on the hand and then pulled him up by that hand and hit him even harder on the leg while he was dangling a few feet off the floor. Asshole didn't strike Eli's butt. He hit him on the outside of his thigh on his bare skin. It was THAT hit that caused me to swell up three of my knuckles on the douchebag's face and play kickball with his ribs. Fuck that shit! A little person isn't meant be hung by one arm, the little elbows come apart really easy. You did the right thing, a piece of shit like that needed to be checked before he did some real damage to a kid. Fuck!! I'll go drink a beer for ya! |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:34:12 PM
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. I am in Florida. Given this situation in my town, the responding Deputy would most likely not bother the homeowner unless he felt a conviction would be achieved against the 'young man'. I dont know where OP lives, and maybe some liberal public servant may press the homeowner for details, but around here; that would not happen. I good and darn guarantee that if the Deps that patrol this area had something to do with it, they would shake the OPs hand and pull the douche over every time they could for a long darn time. Do you really think OP is going to get any adverse legal consequence from this? How's this: With a wife and child, why risk it over retribution? The child wasn't being attacked when the OP started the fight. That alone negates the "defense of the child" argument. The OP made first physical contact, his house or not, it's assault/battery. I know there's lots of big bad macho mother-fuckers here that would whoop a man's ass just for failing to stand for the national anthem. I, on the other hand, have a kid to support, a wife to come home to and a bank account to fill and protect. I'm not getting into a fist fight with ANYONE over hurt pride, anger, retribution or ANYTHING short of defending myself. What happens when your moment of righteous anger and retribution costs you the job you have, the house live in and the time away from your family you would have had if you were free (assuming your family is still around when you get out). So, yeah, it's possible, even probable, that nothing will come of this but, let me ask you this: Are you willing to wager the future of your family on the satisfaction of "teaching a guy a lesson" over a hand and thigh slap for a kid picking his nose? If your answer is "yes" then you have real issues with priorities. Part of growing up is learning to choose your battles and it MY opinion this one was a losing proposition from jump street, no matter how it plays out. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:34:39 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 8:36:48 PM by Oofda]
Originally Posted By retgarr:
Some people freeze up at the chance of altercation. She may not have really known what to do. Wait and see what her reaction is after she's had a chance to process. The aunt was probably stunned by her boyfriend's behavior, then froze up at the violence. And hopefully she's really embarrassed right now. OP, give her a chance to get back to you in a day or two before contacting her. She should apologize for bringing the asshole to your house, obviously...let's hope she does. You should also go take a jog to use up some of that adrenalin and anxiety or you're NEVER going to get to sleep tonight. I'll bet your son has nightmares tonight, though, poor kid. 
ETA: Typo, changed "take a job" to "take a jog" Whoops! 
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:38:11 PM
wow, you have every right to be mad and should at the very least set boundaries. No one has a right to discipline another child, particularly hit with out authorization from the parents, doesn't matter what color the kid is!
Your aunt's bf owes you an apology and I would recommend her leaving him home if she values your relationship. Give your little guy a hug, he is precious. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:39:39 PM
Sounds like you've got the right attitude Dad. I can't say I'd do anything different if someone else touched my son. Just take a break and go spend some time with the boy to cool down.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:45:48 PM
If some stranger hit one of my kids i would go ballistic too.
Your reaction is normal IMO. 4073 |
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Brownie63
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:48:27 PM
You should not have raised your voice. It shows a lack of self control and tends to scare away your opponent. You should have calmly walked over; grabbed him; and pummeled the shit out of him.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:51:53 PM
Is your son actually from Africa? If not, he's just an American.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:53:05 PM
Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
Okay ... I'm calmer. Spent some time making Eli giggle his head off so all is right with the world. He's tucked in bed now and probably out like a light again already. Haven't replied to my aunt's text. I am really not worried about assault charges. I was protecting my kid. As I escorted the asshole from my house (yes, I was shoving him because he was acting like he owned my house, had a right to tell me about mixing races, and didn't want to go on his own) he threw a punch that clipped my ear. It's not my fault the bastard can't fight worth a damn. HE got physical first by hitting my child. He technically threw the fist punch at me as well ––- I was shoving him out of my house before I sent him out headfirst through the bay window. Wife's pal at the Sheriff's office said if the douchebag shows up ... he will mention the racist comments that occurred prior to and after "boyfriend" assaulted my child. Wouldn't it just be awful to be charged with a hate crime against a defenseless baby because of his color? I'm NOT the type of person to pull a race card ––- but I know for a fact he hit my kid because he's black and "they" have to be taught young. His actual words were (according to my wife and my hazy red memory), "You gotta be a co*n dog, Daddy, when you got little co*ns like this running around. Otherwise they'll become porch m*nkey thugs. You have to teach THEM n*glets while they're young."
I should have tossed him off the deck instead of just the stairs. You did just fine, a weaker man would have broken the fucker. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:59:15 PM
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. bullshit. all the judge will hear is "he hit my child and I hit him" . I'd sue the fuckstick for the damage to the door. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:59:24 PM
 handled well and it sounds like you showed great restraint,probably better than I could have managed to do |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:01:26 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 9:02:33 PM by CasualObserver]
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
Okay ... I'm calmer. Spent some time making Eli giggle his head off so all is right with the world. He's tucked in bed now and probably out like a light again already. Haven't replied to my aunt's text. I am really not worried about assault charges. I was protecting my kid. As I escorted the asshole from my house (yes, I was shoving him because he was acting like he owned my house, had a right to tell me about mixing races, and didn't want to go on his own) he threw a punch that clipped my ear. It's not my fault the bastard can't fight worth a damn. HE got physical first by hitting my child. He technically threw the fist punch at me as well ––- I was shoving him out of my house before I sent him out headfirst through the bay window. Wife's pal at the Sheriff's office said if the douchebag shows up ... he will mention the racist comments that occurred prior to and after "boyfriend" assaulted my child. Wouldn't it just be awful to be charged with a hate crime against a defenseless baby because of his color? I'm NOT the type of person to pull a race card ––- but I know for a fact he hit my kid because he's black and "they" have to be taught young. His actual words were (according to my wife and my hazy red memory), "You gotta be a co*n dog, Daddy, when you got little co*ns like this running around. Otherwise they'll become porch m*nkey thugs. You have to teach THEM n*glets while they're young."
I should have tossed him off the deck instead of just the stairs. You did just fine, a weaker man would have broken the fucker. Good beat. You did just fine. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:05:22 PM
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. bullshit. all the judge will hear is "he hit my child and I hit him" . I'd sue the fuckstick for the damage to the door. Obviously, because all trials and all judges/juries are identical to your imagined scenario. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:06:11 PM
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. I am in Florida. Given this situation in my town, the responding Deputy would most likely not bother the homeowner unless he felt a conviction would be achieved against the 'young man'. I dont know where OP lives, and maybe some liberal public servant may press the homeowner for details, but around here; that would not happen. I good and darn guarantee that if the Deps that patrol this area had something to do with it, they would shake the OPs hand and pull the douche over every time they could for a long darn time. Do you really think OP is going to get any adverse legal consequence from this? How's this: With a wife and child, why risk it over retribution? The child wasn't being attacked when the OP started the fight. That alone negates the "defense of the child" argument. The OP made first physical contact, his house or not, it's assault/battery. I know there's lots of big bad macho mother-fuckers here that would whoop a man's ass just for failing to stand for the national anthem. I, on the other hand, have a kid to support, a wife to come home to and a bank account to fill and protect. I'm not getting into a fist fight with ANYONE over hurt pride, anger, retribution or ANYTHING short of defending myself. What happens when your moment of righteous anger and retribution costs you the job you have, the house live in and the time away from your family you would have had if you were free (assuming your family is still around when you get out). So, yeah, it's possible, even probable, that nothing will come of this but, let me ask you this: Are you willing to wager the future of your family on the satisfaction of "teaching a guy a lesson" over a hand and thigh slap for a kid picking his nose? If your answer is "yes" then you have real issues with priorities. Part of growing up is learning to choose your battles and it MY opinion this one was a losing proposition from jump street, no matter how it plays out. really? so if some one is standing in YOUR house and smacks YOUR kid your just going to ask them to leave? |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:08:22 PM
Another man touches my kid and I wouldnt quit until they were dead. No stopping. No pulling me off. Dead.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:08:43 PM
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. bullshit. all the judge will hear is "he hit my child and I hit him" . I'd sue the fuckstick for the damage to the door. Obviously, because all trials and all judges/juries are identical to your imagined scenario. no not all but if it came to it i'm not standing there while someone lays a hand on my family, because i'm afraid of what will happen later on. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:12:09 PM
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. I am in Florida. Given this situation in my town, the responding Deputy would most likely not bother the homeowner unless he felt a conviction would be achieved against the 'young man'. I dont know where OP lives, and maybe some liberal public servant may press the homeowner for details, but around here; that would not happen. I good and darn guarantee that if the Deps that patrol this area had something to do with it, they would shake the OPs hand and pull the douche over every time they could for a long darn time. Do you really think OP is going to get any adverse legal consequence from this? How's this: With a wife and child, why risk it over retribution? The child wasn't being attacked when the OP started the fight. That alone negates the "defense of the child" argument. The OP made first physical contact, his house or not, it's assault/battery. I know there's lots of big bad macho mother-fuckers here that would whoop a man's ass just for failing to stand for the national anthem. I, on the other hand, have a kid to support, a wife to come home to and a bank account to fill and protect. I'm not getting into a fist fight with ANYONE over hurt pride, anger, retribution or ANYTHING short of defending myself. What happens when your moment of righteous anger and retribution costs you the job you have, the house live in and the time away from your family you would have had if you were free (assuming your family is still around when you get out). So, yeah, it's possible, even probable, that nothing will come of this but, let me ask you this: Are you willing to wager the future of your family on the satisfaction of "teaching a guy a lesson" over a hand and thigh slap for a kid picking his nose? If your answer is "yes" then you have real issues with priorities. Part of growing up is learning to choose your battles and it MY opinion this one was a losing proposition from jump street, no matter how it plays out. really? so if some one is standing in YOUR house and smacks YOUR kid your just going to ask them to leave? you didn't answer the question. Or are you checking with your lawyer first? |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:13:21 PM
Cliff notes:
Stranger physically assaults OP's 14 month old son, then has derogatory term for his heritage. OP, throws the guy out, somehow without serious bodily harm to the offending idiot. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:15:43 PM
Originally Posted By Colonel_Angus:
Another man touches my kid and I wouldnt quit until they were dead. No stopping. No pulling me off. Dead. This! |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:17:18 PM
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
What kind of corrective action do you use on a 14m old boy to stop him from picking his nose, if you don't use negative physical reinforcement?
I am glad I re-read this before clicking submit. Thought it said 14yo boy not month old. If anyone has an older child who picks their nose: offering to do it for them usually cures them of it in front of you.  |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:18:01 PM
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Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. I am in Florida. Given this situation in my town, the responding Deputy would most likely not bother the homeowner unless he felt a conviction would be achieved against the 'young man'. I dont know where OP lives, and maybe some liberal public servant may press the homeowner for details, but around here; that would not happen. I good and darn guarantee that if the Deps that patrol this area had something to do with it, they would shake the OPs hand and pull the douche over every time they could for a long darn time. Do you really think OP is going to get any adverse legal consequence from this? How's this: With a wife and child, why risk it over retribution? The child wasn't being attacked when the OP started the fight. That alone negates the "defense of the child" argument. The OP made first physical contact, his house or not, it's assault/battery. I know there's lots of big bad macho mother-fuckers here that would whoop a man's ass just for failing to stand for the national anthem. I, on the other hand, have a kid to support, a wife to come home to and a bank account to fill and protect. I'm not getting into a fist fight with ANYONE over hurt pride, anger, retribution or ANYTHING short of defending myself. What happens when your moment of righteous anger and retribution costs you the job you have, the house live in and the time away from your family you would have had if you were free (assuming your family is still around when you get out). So, yeah, it's possible, even probable, that nothing will come of this but, let me ask you this: Are you willing to wager the future of your family on the satisfaction of "teaching a guy a lesson" over a hand and thigh slap for a kid picking his nose? If your answer is "yes" then you have real issues with priorities. Part of growing up is learning to choose your battles and it MY opinion this one was a losing proposition from jump street, no matter how it plays out. really? so if some one is standing in YOUR house and smacks YOUR kid your just going to ask them to leave? you didn't answer the question. Or are you checking with your lawyer first? Sorry I didn't answer fast enough for her highness, I was putting my son to bed. I would ask them to leave, if they chose to ignore my request I would call the police. If they got violent with me I'd defend myself. It's all really very simple: Grown-ups don't get into to fist fights unless they are actively defending themselves or others from an immediate threat. |
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Is your son actually from Africa? If not, he's just an American. Yes, he is actually. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:22:58 PM
its easy to see that we will never agree on a course of reaction in this situation. I wish you well in standing up for your family if the need ever arises.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:23:32 PM
Boundaries were crossed and boyfriend got what he deserved. There's no reason to be ashamed of your actions.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:23:46 PM
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Cliff notes: Stranger physically assaults OP's 14 month old son, then has derogatory term for his heritage. OP, throws the guy out, somehow without serious bodily harm to the offending idiot. Enough harm was done that he was goose stepping/trotting/running (kinda) to the car while bent over at the waist. We saw blood in the driveway ––- I can only hope I broke his nose or put a tooth through his lip. My hand is swelling like hell and that's with me icing it off and on since it happened. I'm confident he will be very aware of the repercussions he faced for at least a week or so. I guaran-damn-tee you he will walk the other way if he ever sees me out in public. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:24:27 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 9:25:45 PM by Maine_11B_to_Nurse]
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. I am in Florida. Given this situation in my town, the responding Deputy would most likely not bother the homeowner unless he felt a conviction would be achieved against the 'young man'. I dont know where OP lives, and maybe some liberal public servant may press the homeowner for details, but around here; that would not happen. I good and darn guarantee that if the Deps that patrol this area had something to do with it, they would shake the OPs hand and pull the douche over every time they could for a long darn time. Do you really think OP is going to get any adverse legal consequence from this? How's this: With a wife and child, why risk it over retribution? The child wasn't being attacked when the OP started the fight. That alone negates the "defense of the child" argument. The OP made first physical contact, his house or not, it's assault/battery. I know there's lots of big bad macho mother-fuckers here that would whoop a man's ass just for failing to stand for the national anthem. I, on the other hand, have a kid to support, a wife to come home to and a bank account to fill and protect. I'm not getting into a fist fight with ANYONE over hurt pride, anger, retribution or ANYTHING short of defending myself. What happens when your moment of righteous anger and retribution costs you the job you have, the house live in and the time away from your family you would have had if you were free (assuming your family is still around when you get out). So, yeah, it's possible, even probable, that nothing will come of this but, let me ask you this: Are you willing to wager the future of your family on the satisfaction of "teaching a guy a lesson" over a hand and thigh slap for a kid picking his nose? If your answer is "yes" then you have real issues with priorities. Part of growing up is learning to choose your battles and it MY opinion this one was a losing proposition from jump street, no matter how it plays out. really? so if some one is standing in YOUR house and smacks YOUR kid your just going to ask them to leave? you didn't answer the question. Or are you checking with your lawyer first? Sorry I didn't answer fast enough for her highness, I was putting my son to bed. I would ask them to leave, if they chose to ignore my request I would call the police. If they got violent with me I'd defend myself. It's all really very simple: Grown-ups don't get into to fist fights unless they are actively defending themselves or others from an immediate threat. Hmm, I wonder how that would change where I live. 40-60 minutes from an emergency police response. In my world, I escort them out. They don't go easily, I escort assertively. They resist I defend. Pretty simple. OP: Good response. You have a knack for this Dad thing.Keep it up. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:25:43 PM
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
its easy to see that we will never agree on a course of reaction in this situation. I wish you well in standing up for your family if the need ever arises. Both philosophies are standing up for your family, the methodology is simply different. I stand up for my family by not getting sent to jail, you're advocating standing up for your family by risking doing so. I have already stated I thought the OP was morally correct, I just think he put himself in potential legal jeopardy needlessly. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:25:44 PM
never did get a chance to say it but way to go OP,normal reaction to the situation.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:27:05 PM
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My aunt and I are (or possibly were) incredibly close. I love(d) her very much. My wife and I adopted an African American infant fourteen months ago. Pics of wife not loading........................... 
Seriously, I can't imagine a FASTER way to get one's ass beat than to lay one's hand upon someone else's kid.............. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:27:16 PM
Originally Posted By Maine_11B_to_Nurse:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By navyguy1960:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. I am in Florida. Given this situation in my town, the responding Deputy would most likely not bother the homeowner unless he felt a conviction would be achieved against the 'young man'. I dont know where OP lives, and maybe some liberal public servant may press the homeowner for details, but around here; that would not happen. I good and darn guarantee that if the Deps that patrol this area had something to do with it, they would shake the OPs hand and pull the douche over every time they could for a long darn time. Do you really think OP is going to get any adverse legal consequence from this? How's this: With a wife and child, why risk it over retribution? The child wasn't being attacked when the OP started the fight. That alone negates the "defense of the child" argument. The OP made first physical contact, his house or not, it's assault/battery. I know there's lots of big bad macho mother-fuckers here that would whoop a man's ass just for failing to stand for the national anthem. I, on the other hand, have a kid to support, a wife to come home to and a bank account to fill and protect. I'm not getting into a fist fight with ANYONE over hurt pride, anger, retribution or ANYTHING short of defending myself. What happens when your moment of righteous anger and retribution costs you the job you have, the house live in and the time away from your family you would have had if you were free (assuming your family is still around when you get out). So, yeah, it's possible, even probable, that nothing will come of this but, let me ask you this: Are you willing to wager the future of your family on the satisfaction of "teaching a guy a lesson" over a hand and thigh slap for a kid picking his nose? If your answer is "yes" then you have real issues with priorities. Part of growing up is learning to choose your battles and it MY opinion this one was a losing proposition from jump street, no matter how it plays out. really? so if some one is standing in YOUR house and smacks YOUR kid your just going to ask them to leave? you didn't answer the question. Or are you checking with your lawyer first? Sorry I didn't answer fast enough for her highness, I was putting my son to bed. I would ask them to leave, if they chose to ignore my request I would call the police. If they got violent with me I'd defend myself. It's all really very simple: Grown-ups don't get into to fist fights unless they are actively defending themselves or others from an immediate threat. Hmm, I wonder how that would change where I live. 40-60 minutes from an emergency police response. In my world, I escort them out. They don't go easily, I escort assertively. They resist I defend. Pretty simple. OP: Good response. You have a knack for this Dad thing.Keep it up. We live in different worlds, my 911 and house alarm response time has never been over 3 minutes. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:30:45 PM
Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
My aunt and I are (or possibly were) incredibly close. I love(d) her very much. My wife and I adopted an African American infant fourteen months ago. He was a day old then. My wife and I are white as ghosts, but race was never and is not an issue for us. That's our son and we love him madly because we waited so long to find him. He was made for us and I do not doubt that one bit. Today my aunt and her "boyfriend" visited. I put it in quotes because he's only about 25 and she's pushing 60. Our son has discovered the joys of digging for gold in his nose. We correct him each time he does it and are trying to break that habit before it gets any worse. Well, Mr. "Boyfriend" took is upon himself to grab my son and smack him on the hand and leg for picking his nose. He did this with no warning, no verbal correction (not that he should have done that either), and this was the first time the "boyfriend" had met any of us. It should be noted that Elijah (son) was crying so hard from being smacked that he kept losing his breath. My wife had to take him into the bathroom and keep wetting his little face with a cloth to try to calm him down. Somewhere over the course of me yelling at "Boyfriend" to never touch my son again . . . he made an incredibly derogatory statement about race and how you have to break "them" while they're young. I don't think I've ever been angrier. My ears were ringing, every muscle was rigid, and I probably had blood pressure at stroke level. It was like a red haze blurred my vision and I was on him before I even realized I was doing it. I shoved him out the back screen door and he threw a punch at me, clipping my ear. I introduced him to what it's like picking on someone your own size. Suffice it to say . . . I discovered why he would hit on a baby. He is a puny and worthless piece of shit. I wanted to press charges but they left (practically running) when my wife went to retrieve the phone to call 911. Don't know the guy's last name. No clue where he lives, works, or anything else. I'm not certain my aunt would provide that information either. I'm mad as hell that she just sat there like a useless boar hog tit and didn't say a damn thing. SHE should have been kicking his ass too as far as I'm concerned. I'm still attempting to calm down. I can't decide if I should be ashamed of myself for going straight into boiling mad or proud that my fatherly instinct and need to protect is very much intact. All I know is that someone laying a hand on my child flipped a switch in me that has never been flipped before. God, I'm still mad as hell. GOOD! I would have done the EXACT same thing! Anyone that touches my kid in that manner will get no warning! They will get the full wrath and they will be lucky to make it out of the altercation a quadraplegic, eating through a straw and pooping in a bag for the rest of thier lives! |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:30:56 PM
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Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
I want to clarify ... it's in my first post as well ... this asshole first slapped Elijah on the hand and then pulled him up by that hand and hit him even harder on the leg while he was dangling a few feet off the floor. Asshole didn't strike Eli's butt. He hit him on the outside of his thigh on his bare skin. It was THAT hit that caused me to swell up three of my knuckles on the douchebag's face and play kickball with his ribs. He pulled him into the air by his arm and then hit him? I'm shocked you didn't kill him. I wouldn't have minded if you had. Yeah, that's beyond the pale. Where does a stranger get the shit-crazy idea that he can hit someone's child? |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:31:17 PM
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Get some info on him......
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:39:53 PM
It's sad when grown men are scared to hold it down as a father because of potential legal issues. Nothing against your post as I've held back in several instances because I quickly thought of my job and my boys. Just saying it sucks that in some places you can actually be prosecuted for kicking a man's ass who just inappropriately smacked your child.
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ar154all:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Whether you know his details or not, you need to notify the police on the non-emergency line. If you don't, it can come back and bite you in the ass. Seems like bad advice to suggest the aggressor call the cops and confess. He's not the aggressor when he is defending his child. It's better than having the PD show up with cuffs and then trying to defend your actions. It really could go either way. "Defending your child" from a slap on the hand by having an adult fist fight might be seen as overkill in many people's eyes. The "boyfriend" wasn't abusing the child, he was overstepping his authority (by a DAMNED long sight). Notice, I didn't make any value judgments about the OP's actions. In fact, I think he was morally correct. He may not have been legal though, depending on the ear he's bending at the time. Screw 'legal'. His house and kid. The 'young man' learned a lesson that he will never forget. I'm sure that will be comforting while he sees his son through glass for assault/battery and his wife cries because there's no money coming in. Like I said, I don't blame the guy but, objectively it was a horrible idea. I am in Florida. Given this situation in my town, the responding Deputy would most likely not bother the homeowner unless he felt a conviction would be achieved against the 'young man'. I dont know where OP lives, and maybe some liberal public servant may press the homeowner for details, but around here; that would not happen. I good and darn guarantee that if the Deps that patrol this area had something to do with it, they would shake the OPs hand and pull the douche over every time they could for a long darn time. Do you really think OP is going to get any adverse legal consequence from this? How's this: With a wife and child, why risk it over retribution? The child wasn't being attacked when the OP started the fight. That alone negates the "defense of the child" argument. The OP made first physical contact, his house or not, it's assault/battery. I know there's lots of big bad macho mother-fuckers here that would whoop a man's ass just for failing to stand for the national anthem. I, on the other hand, have a kid to support, a wife to come home to and a bank account to fill and protect. I'm not getting into a fist fight with ANYONE over hurt pride, anger, retribution or ANYTHING short of defending myself. What happens when your moment of righteous anger and retribution costs you the job you have, the house live in and the time away from your family you would have had if you were free (assuming your family is still around when you get out). So, yeah, it's possible, even probable, that nothing will come of this but, let me ask you this: Are you willing to wager the future of your family on the satisfaction of "teaching a guy a lesson" over a hand and thigh slap for a kid picking his nose? If your answer is "yes" then you have real issues with priorities. Part of growing up is learning to choose your battles and it MY opinion this one was a losing proposition from jump street, no matter how it plays out. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:42:04 PM
I commend you for defending your son. Thanks for not trying to minimize what that piece of trash did and just ignoring it for fear of being rude or causing a scene of making someone uncomfortable or whatever. Again, hope you and your family are ok after this.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:42:40 PM
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If some stranger hit one of my kids i would go ballistic too. Your reaction is normal IMO. 4073 Dang near clobbered a guy inside the Smithsonian (by the Hope diamond) for shoving my then-nine year old just so he could get a look at it .000000087 seconds sooner. Sometimes "parent mode" means more than just talking. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:43:17 PM
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It's sad when grown men are scared to hold it down as a father because of potential legal issues. Nothing against your post as I've held back in several instances because I quickly thought of my job and my boys. Just saying it sucks that in some places you can actually be prosecuted for kicking a man's ass who just inappropriately smacked your child. Or, maybe it's cool we live in a society where we have recourse more civilized than just "whoopin' some shit head's ass." I guess it could go either way. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:46:18 PM
Anyone striking my child would be escorted to the door. It would not be my fault if they walked into our steel front door over and over and over again until unconscious.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:53:45 PM
Sounds like a good thrashing.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:55:55 PM
Originally Posted By iteotwawki:
Originally Posted By maggiethecat:
Cliff notes: Stranger physically assaults OP's 14 month old son, then has derogatory term for his heritage. OP, throws the guy out, somehow without serious bodily harm to the offending idiot. Enough harm was done that he was goose stepping/trotting/running (kinda) to the car while bent over at the waist. We saw blood in the driveway ––- I can only hope I broke his nose or put a tooth through his lip. My hand is swelling like hell and that's with me icing it off and on since it happened. I'm confident he will be very aware of the repercussions he faced for at least a week or so. I guaran-damn-tee you he will walk the other way if he ever sees me out in public. Good! I hope you broke his fucking face!  |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:56:48 PM
you're ok bud, it's over. you're fine, the baby is fine...don't let fuckstick ruin your life anymore than he has.
watch your 6 for cowards retaliation in the most cowardly way, but beyond that, live your life with your beautiful family. congratulations on your successful adoption. focus on that, be a good dad, love your wife and have a great life. if shit stain shows up again call the cops and press charges. make him pay in the legal system, you have better things to do, like raise a family. You can't do that from jail. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:01:17 PM
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If the wife never followed through with the 911 call I would phone that in before someone else establishes themselves as the complainant if they have not done so already. Do this. It may not seem necessary to get the police involved, but it is more to protect yourself, rather than prosecute him. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:20:19 PM
While I commend the OP for the defense of his son, it would be wise to edit this thread (or even trash it) in those instances where descriptions of events might lead a 3rd party to conclude that OP went beyoond the use of reasonable force in the defense of his son or himself. The internet can be a very small place.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:25:53 PM
There are some stupid fucking chicken little pussy armchair cop/lawyer types in this thread. What an absolute shame it is in our society now that we have people who would do the "OH NOEZ! WE NEED TO BRING IN THE COPS!" because his kid was beaten by a stranger. I wonder how some of you are able to look yourselves in the mirror sometimes with any sort of pride. It must be that smug kind of look that's only skin deep.
There are some things that are just as natural as picking your nose, and it's called parental instinct. If you had anyone that you loved more than life, you would understand it. Saying he should've thought it through and it was a stupid mistake is like secondguessing getting out of the way of a charging bear. OP, ya did good. Totally in the right, and no need to bring the police into it, you would've been justified. |
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