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Posted: 8/9/2012 2:03:51 PM
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
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Cats are evil. Mabey they just reflect the emotion they recieve. One thing I notice about 98% of the Cat Haters is they never really owned one. I've owned several. I have their hides tacked up as proof. And scars on my nutsack. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 2:11:31 PM
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
The report said cats kill snakes. Arfcom hates snakes. Why is the enemy of my enemy not my friend, in this case? Cat hate is a sign of insecurity and a neurotic need for control. If you die in your house, your dog will lie down by your body and stay there. Your cat will EAT YOU. THIS! I have seen many dogs damn near starved to death waiting for someone to find their master. Most cats, on the other hand, will start eating your nose and ears at the start of day two, but their is a reason for that. A dog can go a couple days without food with no ill effects. A cat, though, if it doesn't have food will begin to build up a toxin in its system that WILL KILL it. They have to have animal protein damn near every day to survive. To be fair, I have seen a few people that their dog munched on them, but it always seemed to be some little dog. A GSD or a good PBT will lay down and die with you. Anyone in the funeral/mortuary industry will have undoubtedly seen many more cats eating on people. Always the face too. Daniel |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 2:12:30 PM
I like cats, but they can grow to be troublesome. My buddies uncle and cousin lived on a farm and had to do what they called "cat drives" periodically because they became such pest. It kinda suck to have to kill kittens, but i if you just offed their mom, what really can you do?
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Posted: 8/9/2012 2:27:32 PM
Originally Posted By BushBoar: What's so funny? If a population is reduced below level at which it can sustain itself against predation, disease, etc, it will eventually disappear. Nonsense. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 2:38:25 PM
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
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This has been known forever. Hunters and most folks who live in the country always shoot feral housecats on sight.  I have taken a few dozen on my property over the last couple of years... Now I have a major field mouse infestation, as in 1-2 in the traps every night in the basement. I will not shoot anymore cats unless they are obviously sick or become a larger problem than the mice. So-called "barn cats" are an exception. Notice I said "feral housecats"––big difference.  How do you tell the difference between a barn cat and a feral cat? |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 2:43:42 PM
They live in a barn.
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Finslayer83
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:17:14 PM
My male just killed a bowl of meow mix, took a shit, and is now asleep upside down.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:28:36 PM
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
My male just killed a bowl of meow mix, took a shit, and is now asleep upside down. I envy them sometimes. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:29:58 PM
we have a cat, it is an alpha hunter killer cat. it is amazing what it can do....its just hard-wired for hunting and killing.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:30:31 PM
Originally Posted By Waveform: Originally Posted By BushBoar: What's so funny? If a population is reduced below level at which it can sustain itself against predation, disease, etc, it will eventually disappear. Nonsense. Nonsense? It's simple math. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:36:09 PM
I like that 4 out of 60 had a second owner/family they were visiting when the primary owner let them go "outside"
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:39:29 PM
Originally Posted By Clarinath:
I love cats, I have owned quite a few in the past. Those same cats NEVER went outside. Oh wait, I take that back, they went outside, in a kennel on trips to the vets or other places. Once one of my cats saw an open patio door and made a break for it. He ran out side and when he hit the grass he stopped dead and meowed till we picked him up, it scared the piss out of him, literally. Cats do not belong outside, ever. I've never owned a cat, but we have a BAD owner in my neighborhood. She has three cats, which openly roam. If my bad neighbor moves, I'd like to have you move in. At least then I'd not have to pick cat shit out of my flowerbeds. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:57:17 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 4:58:12 PM by gearjammer351]
Originally Posted By wingnutx:
My big cat will whap at me with retracted claws, or pretend to bite me just to show that he could do it if he wanted. He gave a cop a bloody nose once. My 'adopted' cat behaved like that for a while, then I began picking it up by the scruff and beating the crap out of it every time a tooth or claw touched me. She's much more polite now -she even greets me at the door and wants to play with me all the time. They can be trained -it just takes longer than it does with a dog. Occasionally she thinks about biting me and runs away.  |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:58:41 PM
He doesn't use his claws or teeth.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 5:06:06 PM
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Originally Posted By taylor7401:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
The report said cats kill snakes. Arfcom hates snakes. Why is the enemy of my enemy not my friend, in this case? Cat hate is a sign of insecurity and a neurotic need for control. If you die in your house, your dog will lie down by your body and stay there. Your cat will EAT YOU. THIS! I have seen many dogs damn near starved to death waiting for someone to find their master. Most cats, on the other hand, will start eating your nose and ears at the start of day two, but their is a reason for that. A dog can go a couple days without food with no ill effects. A cat, though, if it doesn't have food will begin to build up a toxin in its system that WILL KILL it. They have to have animal protein damn near every day to survive. To be fair, I have seen a few people that their dog munched on them, but it always seemed to be some little dog. A GSD or a good PBT will lay down and die with you. Anyone in the funeral/mortuary industry will have undoubtedly seen many more cats eating on people. Always the face too. Daniel GSD: http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/30-09-2008/106502-dog-0/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-409885/Dog-eats-dead-master-wife.html Shetland Sheepdog: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/weird-wide-web/canada-dogs-ate-owners-shelties-saskatchewan These fuckers KILLED their master and ate him: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Starving-dogs-eat-owner-in-Indonesia––30164726.html Pit Bull (Or DEATH!): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/16/pit-bull-eats-parts-of-man_n_878072.html ETA - Spent a large part of last night explaining to my GSD mix that eating me was NOT acceptable. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 5:08:49 PM
Originally Posted By wingnutx:
He doesn't use his claws or teeth.[div] She did it for a little while, for random reasons ( territorial instinct?). I corrected the behavior and we get along fine now. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 5:42:10 PM
Originally Posted By RonnieJamesDioFan: Originally Posted By bradpierson26: what I want to know is who paid for this stupid shit. honestly, how is this surprising or helpful to society? Probably grant money from the NSF or school or something. I understand the need to document what animals do. And joking aside, it is neat to see that cats have one behavior when indoors and another out of door, but it's just kind of an out there thing to study. Good marketing for the cameras. They are probably gonna sell a bunch of them. Hell, you could even put them on your kids.  |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:03:08 PM
Cats have sharp teeth and claws. They use them to kill shit. What's the surprise?
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:12:16 PM
I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Cats should be shot because they kill pests?
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Posted: 8/9/2012 7:46:56 PM
Originally Posted By StevenH:
I like that 4 out of 60 had a second owner/family they were visiting when the primary owner let them go "outside" Buddy in college had a cat names marley who would always come over and crash at my place. He would get mad because he knew the cat was coming over to get pieces of turkey. Sometimes I would wake up and go cook breakfast to discover marley about my countertops. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 7:53:51 PM
I remember an article in Sports Afield within the last 10 years about this. It generated a MASSIVE amount of hate mail. People just refused to believe that their precious little furball was a natural born killer.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:01:59 PM
Originally Posted By BushBoar: Originally Posted By Waveform: Originally Posted By BushBoar: What's so funny? If a population is reduced below level at which it can sustain itself against predation, disease, etc, it will eventually disappear. Nonsense. Nonsense? It's simple math. Then you should have no problem simply naming a simple example where a house cat did irreversible damage to an ecosystem. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:04:40 PM
Originally Posted By Waveform: Then you should have no problem simply naming a simple example where a house cat a bazillion house cats did irreversible damage to an ecosystem. They certainly would have wiped out the wallabies if left unchecked. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:08:01 PM
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Originally Posted By taylor7401:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
The report said cats kill snakes. Arfcom hates snakes. Why is the enemy of my enemy not my friend, in this case? Cat hate is a sign of insecurity and a neurotic need for control. If you die in your house, your dog will lie down by your body and stay there. Your cat will EAT YOU. THIS! I have seen many dogs damn near starved to death waiting for someone to find their master. Most cats, on the other hand, will start eating your nose and ears at the start of day two, but their is a reason for that. A dog can go a couple days without food with no ill effects. A cat, though, if it doesn't have food will begin to build up a toxin in its system that WILL KILL it. They have to have animal protein damn near every day to survive. To be fair, I have seen a few people that their dog munched on them, but it always seemed to be some little dog. A GSD or a good PBT will lay down and die with you. Anyone in the funeral/mortuary industry will have undoubtedly seen many more cats eating on people. Always the face too. Daniel GSD: http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/30-09-2008/106502-dog-0/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-409885/Dog-eats-dead-master-wife.html Shetland Sheepdog: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/weird-wide-web/canada-dogs-ate-owners-shelties-saskatchewan These fuckers KILLED their master and ate him: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Starving-dogs-eat-owner-in-Indonesia––30164726.html Pit Bull (Or DEATH!): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/16/pit-bull-eats-parts-of-man_n_878072.html ETA - Spent a large part of last night explaining to my GSD mix that eating me was NOT acceptable. Hell, the one in Indonesia was probably Self Defense... (Eat or be eaten, ala Barry) |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:14:22 PM
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Originally Posted By taylor7401:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
The report said cats kill snakes. Arfcom hates snakes. Why is the enemy of my enemy not my friend, in this case? Cat hate is a sign of insecurity and a neurotic need for control. If you die in your house, your dog will lie down by your body and stay there. Your cat will EAT YOU. THIS! I have seen many dogs damn near starved to death waiting for someone to find their master. Most cats, on the other hand, will start eating your nose and ears at the start of day two, but their is a reason for that. A dog can go a couple days without food with no ill effects. A cat, though, if it doesn't have food will begin to build up a toxin in its system that WILL KILL it. They have to have animal protein damn near every day to survive. To be fair, I have seen a few people that their dog munched on them, but it always seemed to be some little dog. A GSD or a good PBT will lay down and die with you. Anyone in the funeral/mortuary industry will have undoubtedly seen many more cats eating on people. Always the face too. Daniel GSD: http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/30-09-2008/106502-dog-0/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-409885/Dog-eats-dead-master-wife.html Shetland Sheepdog: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/weird-wide-web/canada-dogs-ate-owners-shelties-saskatchewan These fuckers KILLED their master and ate him: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Starving-dogs-eat-owner-in-Indonesia––30164726.html Pit Bull (Or DEATH!): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/16/pit-bull-eats-parts-of-man_n_878072.html ETA - Spent a large part of last night explaining to my GSD mix that eating me was NOT acceptable. Hell, the one in Indonesia was probably Self Defense... (Eat or be eaten, ala Barry)
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:34:54 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 8:36:06 PM by FridgeBrilliance]
Dirt nap for outside domesticated cats should be SOP. Didn't read the article, no justification needed.
ETA: can you tell I grow vegetables and have a hummingbird feeder? |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:08:00 PM
Originally Posted By Saur:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Originally Posted By taylor7401:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
The report said cats kill snakes. Arfcom hates snakes. Why is the enemy of my enemy not my friend, in this case? Cat hate is a sign of insecurity and a neurotic need for control. If you die in your house, your dog will lie down by your body and stay there. Your cat will EAT YOU. THIS! I have seen many dogs damn near starved to death waiting for someone to find their master. Most cats, on the other hand, will start eating your nose and ears at the start of day two, but their is a reason for that. A dog can go a couple days without food with no ill effects. A cat, though, if it doesn't have food will begin to build up a toxin in its system that WILL KILL it. They have to have animal protein damn near every day to survive. To be fair, I have seen a few people that their dog munched on them, but it always seemed to be some little dog. A GSD or a good PBT will lay down and die with you. Anyone in the funeral/mortuary industry will have undoubtedly seen many more cats eating on people. Always the face too. Daniel GSD: http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/30-09-2008/106502-dog-0/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-409885/Dog-eats-dead-master-wife.html Shetland Sheepdog: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/weird-wide-web/canada-dogs-ate-owners-shelties-saskatchewan These fuckers KILLED their master and ate him: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Starving-dogs-eat-owner-in-Indonesia––30164726.html Pit Bull (Or DEATH!): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/16/pit-bull-eats-parts-of-man_n_878072.html ETA - Spent a large part of last night explaining to my GSD mix that eating me was NOT acceptable. Hell, the one in Indonesia was probably Self Defense... (Eat or be eaten, ala Barry)
I didn't say it never happened, but I haven't seen it as often with dogs as cats. And I've yet to see a cat find its owners grave at the cemetary and sleep on it for a couple months before it finally goes home. Daniel |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:15:08 PM
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Originally Posted By JD762:
I enjoy exotic pets,specifically fish and reptiles. Here in Florida laws have gotten so crazy that it isnt worth it to be in the hobby anymore. What Ive always said, and what most people dont realize, the domestic cat is responsible for killing more native wildlife as a single species then all of the banned exotics by a LONG shot. Im never the person to deny people from having or doing what they enjoy, however letting your cat live outdoors DOES negatively impact other peoples lives and causes irreversible damage to the local ecosystem. Yet its easy to ban a scary snake that in its life time wont kill as many animals as a cat will in a year.  "Irreversible damage" 
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:37:24 PM
Originally Posted By Gunnerpalace: Originally Posted By Waveform: Originally Posted By JD762: I enjoy exotic pets,specifically fish and reptiles. Here in Florida laws have gotten so crazy that it isnt worth it to be in the hobby anymore. What Ive always said, and what most people dont realize, the domestic cat is responsible for killing more native wildlife as a single species then all of the banned exotics by a LONG shot. Im never the person to deny people from having or doing what they enjoy, however letting your cat live outdoors DOES negatively impact other peoples lives and causes irreversible damage to the local ecosystem. Yet its easy to ban a scary snake that in its life time wont kill as many animals as a cat will in a year. "Irreversible damage" Umm.....Are you aware of the Lionfish situation down there? I am laughing at his verbiage. I also laughed at George Fenwick's. To say that it does damage is quite sufficient. To say that it is "irreversible" is fucking ridiculous. A 10km asteroid strike is something that does irreversible damage. A pyroclastic flow does irreversible damage. These are ten pound cats we are talking about. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:46:32 PM
I would MUCH rather have the cats around than the vermin that they KILL Chipmunks , mice etc ...
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:49:36 PM
Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal:
Because they kill pests? Squirrels and rabbits aren't pests, they're game animals. If we were talking about foxes and bobcats here I wouldn't care, but we're talking about an introduced invasive predator. Stray cats in my area are horribly overpopulated and have done so much damage I haven't been able to find a huntable population of rabbits for 5 years. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:50:05 PM
The coyotes around here love the free roaming cats
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shack357
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:53:30 PM
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So do arfcommers with bb guns 00 Buck works better when noise is not a concern. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:56:05 PM
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
The report said cats kill snakes. Arfcom hates snakes. Why is the enemy of my enemy not my friend, in this case? Cat hate is a sign of insecurity and a neurotic need for control. No, it's a sign that I pay $100 a year for my hunting license and I don't mind sharing the game with a predator that's meant to be there. Cats don't fill that niche. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:56:17 PM
I have no problem with cats as long as they stay out of my trash. Once they cross that line they have made it to the short list.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:10:34 PM
Feral cats are like any other vermin, we have plenty of predators to keep the mice at bay in the woods no need for cats in the wild. In addition People who let there cats roam get what they deserve. If you love your pet keep them on your property...otherwise they maybe viewed as a nuisance and killed.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:16:34 PM
You mean a carnivore kills? Say it isn't so.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:22:39 PM
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
No...wait, actually I'm not...that's why I treat feral cats like the vermin that they are. Want to protect your cat? Keep it on your own damned property. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:27:14 PM
Originally Posted By dalesimpson:
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Originally Posted By dalesimpson:
Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal:
Because they kill pests? And song birds and will raise hell with a nest of game birds too. A lot of Pheasant hunters will kill cats on sight when they are hunting They don't belong in the wild here. Don't belong in the wild? Pheasant is a 100% introduced species in north America Pheasant are much more desirable in the wild than a house cat that kills for fun. Not really. I've said for years we should wipe out the introduced pheasants while the population is low and reintroduce the prairie chickens and grouse that we're meant to have. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:30:17 PM
Originally Posted By wingnutx:
Not every cat you see outside is feral. Not even close. [/div]
If it's not on its owner's property, and being off its owner's property is a common occurence yes it is. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:34:24 PM
I think they should be fair game, I can't understand the mentality of people who let their animals roam to shit in yards, scratch vehicles, etc.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:48:44 PM
Originally Posted By shack357: Originally Posted By wingnutx:
Not every cat you see outside is feral. Not even close. If it's not on its owner's property, and being off its owner's property is a common occurence yes it is.[/div] Words mean things. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:08:56 PM
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
Originally Posted By Waveform:
Originally Posted By JD762:
I enjoy exotic pets,specifically fish and reptiles. Here in Florida laws have gotten so crazy that it isnt worth it to be in the hobby anymore. What Ive always said, and what most people dont realize, the domestic cat is responsible for killing more native wildlife as a single species then all of the banned exotics by a LONG shot. Im never the person to deny people from having or doing what they enjoy, however letting your cat live outdoors DOES negatively impact other peoples lives and causes irreversible damage to the local ecosystem. Yet its easy to ban a scary snake that in its life time wont kill as many animals as a cat will in a year. "Irreversible damage"
What's so funny? If a population is reduced below level at which it can sustain itself against predation, disease, etc, it will eventually disappear. "Life will find a way..." |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:12:14 PM
Originally Posted By wingnutx:
They live in a barn. Pretty simple, isn't it? I will smoke a feral in a heartbeat. My and my neighbors barn cats get a pass. Dogs get about the same treatment. I know every dog for 3 miles in any direction. Anything new shows up in my yard, won't come when I call it, and acts aggressive at all buys a bullet. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:13:09 PM
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Cats with Kitty Cams kill a surprising number of animals, researchers are shocked to discover...  Are you serious regarding your thread title? |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:13:12 PM
Originally Posted By gearjammer351:
Originally Posted By wingnutx:
My big cat will whap at me with retracted claws, or pretend to bite me just to show that he could do it if he wanted. He gave a cop a bloody nose once. My 'adopted' cat behaved like that for a while, then I began picking it up by the scruff and beating the crap out of it every time a tooth or claw touched me. She's much more polite now -she even greets me at the door and wants to play with me all the time. They can be trained -it just takes longer than it does with a dog. Occasionally she thinks about biting me and runs away. Beating a dog will rarely result in the desired behavior. Cats are different. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:14:53 PM
Originally Posted By Credge:
I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Cats should be shot because they kill pests? Killing is bad. Any animal that kills should be killed. Oh wait... |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:16:00 PM
Cats suck anyway. I have shot a shit ton of them during pest control. Never gave two shits.
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Ohio
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:19:23 PM
Originally Posted By beardog30:
Feral cats are like any other vermin, we have plenty of predators to keep the mice at bay in the woods no need for cats in the wild. What county are you in? I don't have any rodent eating natural predators around my house. BTW, most of the rats and mice you see are introduced, invasive species. And the Felis silvestris is their natural predator. That's the parent species of Felis domesticus. I love it when I come home late from work and put 8 consecutive posts in a thread. Makes me look so very OCD. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:31:06 PM
Originally Posted By Clarinath:
This is why cats found outside should be fair game for the dirt nap 
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