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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:40:14 AM
2 3/4" 00 Buck is my load. I can shoot 3 1/2" but I prefer the lighter recoil for quicker follow up shots along with the increase in capacity it gives.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:40:33 AM
Originally Posted By woob44:
Originally Posted By wtr100:
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Birdshot...yeah definitely birdshot. yah a 1 1/4 oz heavy field load of bird shot in the snout at appartment distance - that ain't going to do much http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes007.gif Your sarcasm detector is broken. Get it fixed. d'oh! I'll give myself a boot to the head 
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:44:34 AM
Originally Posted By ch1966:
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On the flip side, which one is more likely to make contact with the target? Which is more likely to have pellets go off target? I'm starting to get the impression that you're a "pistol grip shotgun from the hip" type of a shooter..... 
You'd have to live in quite a large house for the shot pattern to open up enough for that to be a legitimate concern.  |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:46:14 AM
Depleted uranium slugs. They're have good effect on vehicles as well.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:46:27 AM
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
On a serious note, the amount of bad advice given in this thread is depressing. The question is not really open to debate. It is settled fact. Read and learn: Shotgun Ammo FAQs If you don't know what you are talking about, then don't post. Oh, it's not THAT bad. The bird shot was obviously a sarcastic remark. Inside home distances, it's not a pattern it's a group. Any shot #1 or bigger will do. Reduced recoil or standard loads would be better than the super duper magnums. I, prefer a rifle, but a shotgun will certainly get the job done. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:47:13 AM
[Last Edit: 8/8/2012 11:48:47 AM by ch1966]
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Never shot at anything alive and running have you? We've already had that discussion. Originally Posted By VBC:I've personally had 00 buck go from the ass end of a deer to the front end at over a 60 yard shot. It'll penetrate.
Ok, now we have a baseline to measure the level of your retardation.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:51:31 AM
Originally Posted By ch1966:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Never shot at anything alive and running have you? We've already had that discussion. Originally Posted By VBC:I've personally had 00 buck go from the ass end of a deer to the front end at over a 60 yard shot. It'll penetrate.
Ok, now we have a baseline to measure the level of your retardation. Well, get a membership an an avatar.  Maybe people will remember you.
3 buckshot, entered the ham of the buck and passed all the way through to the front of the chest, just lodged under the skin, like they always do. Are you calling me a liar? I assure you I am not. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:11:00 PM
[Last Edit: 8/8/2012 12:11:36 PM by ch1966]
Originally Posted By VBC:
Well, get a membership an an avatar. Maybe people will remember you.
3 buckshot, entered the ham of the buck and passed all the way through to the front of the chest, just lodged under the skin, like they always do. Are you calling me a liar? I assure you I am not. I am not calling you a liar. It just amazes me that you advocate a wider pattern with those types of results as opposed to a tighter pattern focusing in on vitals. It's been my experience that sheer luck is the killer (magic BB) when pellets aren't concentrated on vitals. If I want to kill something, i want the maximum number of pellets on vitals. Congratulations on your deer, but 60+ yards is considered to be slug range by nearly all experienced hunters I know because pattern density is generally too weak to be effective most of the time at those distances. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:27:56 PM
http://gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=FC-LE1321B
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:30:38 PM
Originally Posted By VBC:
On the flip side, which one is more likely to make contact with the target? 
How the hell do people hit with handguns and rifles by that logic? The point of the defensive shotgun is its outstanding terminal ballistics due to multiple wound tracks, not the spread. The spread is the whole point of wing shooting. Plus even with the crappiest 00 buckshot with heavy spread, at typical HD ranges the pattern is still typically very small. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:31:26 PM
Originally Posted By ch1966:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Well, get a membership an an avatar. Maybe people will remember you.
3 buckshot, entered the ham of the buck and passed all the way through to the front of the chest, just lodged under the skin, like they always do. Are you calling me a liar? I assure you I am not. I am not calling you a liar. It just amazes me that you advocate a wider pattern with those types of results as opposed to a tighter pattern focusing in on vitals. It's been my experience that sheer luck is the killer (magic BB) when pellets aren't concentrated on vitals. If I want to kill something, i want the maximum number of pellets on vitals. Congratulations on your deer, but 60+ yards is considered to be slug range by nearly all experienced hunters I know because pattern density is generally too weak to be effective most of the time at those distances. I hunt exclusively with sabot slugs and rifled slug barrels with optics these days. 
Back in the old days, when everybody used 30" full choke barrels with 3" magnum buckshot shooting at deer run by dogs is when I did all my killing with buckshot. 3" magnum 000 buck out of a 30" full choke was in use after all was said and done. It extends your range out past what normal loads and shorter barrel modified and open chokes can provide. But if you're going to be shooting at much shorter ranges, a little more spread in the pattern will help you make hits you might have normally missed with a super tight pattern. For example, that is the reason quail hunters use IC chokes. They flush the birds up close and take most shots within 20 yards. If you're going to be hunting game at longer ranges, or shooting turkeys in the neck, then use a tighter pattern. You match the pattern spread to the type of shooting you will be doing. If the tightest pattern was desirable all the time, then there would be no need for interchangeable chokes. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:32:43 PM
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Originally Posted By 556A2:
Originally Posted By VBC:
On the flip side, which one is more likely to make contact with the target?
How the hell do people hit with handguns and rifles by that logic? The point of the defensive shotgun is its outstanding terminal ballistics due to multiple wound tracks, not the spread. The spread is the whole point of wing shooting. Plus even with the crappiest 00 buckshot with heavy spread, at typical HD ranges the pattern is still typically very small. It's much easier to hit a close running target when you have a few seconds of a shot window with a well patterned shotgun than a single projectile. That's why they make shotguns.. Yes, people make those shots with handguns and rifles too, but it's easier with a shotgun. Yeah, the spread is still small inside a house from a open choke short barrel and cheap buckshot, but it's still wider than a fist sized pattern. You might put a fist sized pattern in the shoulder, where a volleyball sized pattern might have gotten into the vitals. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:34:17 PM
Originally Posted By bushbandit:
http://gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=FC-LE1321B best price on #1 buck and yes, they will sell to the general public. got a case last week Perfect. They're local. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:51:12 PM
Originally Posted By VBC:
Originally Posted By ch1966:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Never shot at anything alive and running have you? We've already had that discussion. Originally Posted By VBC:I've personally had 00 buck go from the ass end of a deer to the front end at over a 60 yard shot. It'll penetrate.
Ok, now we have a baseline to measure the level of your retardation. Well, get a membership an an avatar. Maybe people will remember you.
3 buckshot, entered the ham of the buck and passed all the way through to the front of the chest, just lodged under the skin, like they always do. Are you calling me a liar? I assure you I am not. You're admitting to being a slob hunter. Shooting a deer from the ass end with buck at 60 yards is a bull shit thing to do. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:58:20 PM
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:02:25 PM
[Last Edit: 8/8/2012 1:05:19 PM by VBC]
Originally Posted By Ridgerunner9876:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Originally Posted By ch1966:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Never shot at anything alive and running have you? We've already had that discussion. Originally Posted By VBC:I've personally had 00 buck go from the ass end of a deer to the front end at over a 60 yard shot. It'll penetrate.
Ok, now we have a baseline to measure the level of your retardation. Well, get a membership an an avatar. Maybe people will remember you.
3 buckshot, entered the ham of the buck and passed all the way through to the front of the chest, just lodged under the skin, like they always do. Are you calling me a liar? I assure you I am not. You're admitting to being a slob hunter. Shooting a deer from the ass end with buck at 60 yards is a bull shit thing to do. Oh give me a break. He dropped deader than shit. Remington 1100 with 30" full choke and 00 or 000 buck reaches out and touches them. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:06:15 PM
I prefer #4 buck for HD. It will damn near eviscerate a man within 10 yards.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:17:51 PM
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I prefer #4 buck for HD. It will damn near eviscerate a man within 10 yards.  |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:22:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
This thread is timely. I've been looking at the FAQ and I have two questions: 1) Why is plated so important? I'm guessing it's because raw lead deforms and will not penetrate as much but the FAQ really doesn't say. Hardened and plated buckshot is less likely to be deformed as it is accelerated down the bore. It will then fly "truer" as round shot flies straighter than deformed shot, and when it gets there, it will penetrate better, as it will not deform and slow down. 2) Everyone is recommending the Flight control but the FAQ alludes to the fact that it may be more likely to over penetrate.
Where does it "allude" that? If distance is not a concern, in my case 10 yards or less, why use it?
Because it allows the shooter to have very tight patterns at any reasonable distance. That doesn't matter much at 10 feet, but you never know where the fight will take you. From FAQ: The "Precision Buckshot" features unique wad that actually retains the shot the entire time in flight until it hits something. That one seems less safe in terms of barrier penetration but would be the ultimate in a tight pattern. Please understand I'm not trying to pick a fight. This ammo selection would be strictly for HD, if I was going to take the shotgun outside the home the flight control seems like the right choice. However, inside the home I am very concerned with over penetration because I live in a tight urban area i.e. sigle family homes very closely spaced. Edited for clarity. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:40:37 PM
Originally Posted By bushbandit:
http://gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=FC-LE1321B best price on #1 buck and yes, they will sell to the general public. got a case last week THANKS! Just ordered 150 shells worth. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:50:46 PM
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Originally Posted By the-fly:
Originally Posted By bushbandit:
http://gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=FC-LE1321B best price on #1 buck and yes, they will sell to the general public. got a case last week THANKS! Just ordered 150 shells worth. Did you fill out the ammo form on their website? I ordered mine over the phone and later in the day I get a voice mail saying I need to fax in the form. Kind of a hassle to have to run to the library to fax. Also, when I printed off the form, it says you have to be LEO to purchase ammo. So I called them back to cancel the order and she says no you don't have to be LE and that she doesn't know why they have that on there. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:59:22 PM
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
This thread is timely. I've been looking at the FAQ and I have two questions: 1) Why is plated so important? I'm guessing it's because raw lead deforms and will not penetrate as much but the FAQ really doesn't say. Hardened and plated buckshot is less likely to be deformed as it is accelerated down the bore. It will then fly "truer" as round shot flies straighter than deformed shot, and when it gets there, it will penetrate better, as it will not deform and slow down. 2) Everyone is recommending the Flight control but the FAQ alludes to the fact that it may be more likely to over penetrate.
Where does it "allude" that? If distance is not a concern, in my case 10 yards or less, why use it?
Because it allows the shooter to have very tight patterns at any reasonable distance. That doesn't matter much at 10 feet, but you never know where the fight will take you. The "Precision Buckshot" features unique wad that actually retains the shot the entire time in flight until it hits something. That one seems less safe in terms of barrier penetration but would be the ultimate in a tight pattern. Please understand I'm not trying to pick a fight. This ammo selection would be strictly for HD, if I was going to take the shotgun outside the home the flight control seems like the right choice. However, inside the home I am very concerned with over penetration because I live in a tight urban area i.e. sigle family homes very closely spaced. Your worries are completely understandable, but it is simply a sad fact that any ammunition which will penetrate far enough into a human attacker's thoracic cavity to reliably incapacitate that attacker will also penetrate household walls. The corollary to this is that any ammunition which will not penetrate household walls will also not penetrate far enough into a human attack's thoracic cavity to reliably incapacitate him or her. I was once shot at in a crowd at a Mardi Gras parade......I did not return fire because of the presence of innocent people as my backstop. Sometimes, even if you are well armed and under attack, you cannot shoot. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 2:31:39 PM
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
From FAQ: The "Precision Buckshot" features unique wad that actually retains the shot the entire time in flight until it hits something. That one seems less safe in terms of barrier penetration but would be the ultimate in a tight pattern. Please understand I'm not trying to pick a fight. This ammo selection would be strictly for HD, if I was going to take the shotgun outside the home the flight control seems like the right choice. However, inside the home I am very concerned with over penetration because I live in a tight urban area i.e. sigle family homes very closely spaced. Edited for clarity. I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about the Shotgun Ammo FAQs, and I knew that piece didn't say that.
I disagree with the statement you quoted, from where ever it came.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 3:06:28 PM
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
From FAQ: The "Precision Buckshot" features unique wad that actually retains the shot the entire time in flight until it hits something. That one seems less safe in terms of barrier penetration but would be the ultimate in a tight pattern. Please understand I'm not trying to pick a fight. This ammo selection would be strictly for HD, if I was going to take the shotgun outside the home the flight control seems like the right choice. However, inside the home I am very concerned with over penetration because I live in a tight urban area i.e. sigle family homes very closely spaced. Edited for clarity. I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about the Shotgun Ammo FAQs, and I knew that piece didn't say that.
I disagree with the statement you quoted, from where ever it came.
My mistake it's the FAQ in the shotgun forum http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_1/275185_Defensive_Shotgun_Ammo__Links__Part__s_and_Info___Updated_May_2012.html. My thoughts were #1 inside the home with some #1 flight control handy. I may pick up some of both and see how they pattern at 30-40 feet. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 3:16:24 PM
IIRC when I was investigating, most of the people that seemed to know wtf they were talking about heavily leaned toward 00 buck, so that's what I left in mine. YMMV.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 3:16:32 PM
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For those interested in patterning their shotguns, try going by your local newspaper or commercial offset printer. If they get their paper on rolls it comes with two light cardboard discs anywhere from 40"-42" in diameter. It is stiff enough to make a good target and light enough to roll up to take to the range. Label them with load, distance to target, etc. information and compare different ammunition.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 3:27:39 PM
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Buck shot. This. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 4:03:09 PM
Originally Posted By bc5000:
Originally Posted By the-fly:
Originally Posted By bushbandit:
http://gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=FC-LE1321B best price on #1 buck and yes, they will sell to the general public. got a case last week THANKS! Just ordered 150 shells worth. Did you fill out the ammo form on their website? I ordered mine over the phone and later in the day I get a voice mail saying I need to fax in the form. Kind of a hassle to have to run to the library to fax. Also, when I printed off the form, it says you have to be LEO to purchase ammo. So I called them back to cancel the order and she says no you don't have to be LE and that she doesn't know why they have that on there. Odd, they didn't make me fill out an ammo form. The site did say I had to be LE or an licensed security agent. Well, I AM licensed to protect myself, so good enough 
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Posted: 8/8/2012 4:39:22 PM
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: Originally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By Old_Painless: A very mediocre load. Federal #1 Buck is far superior to that load. Would you stand in front of it Why do people post this silly question in just about every thread about shotgun ammo? Of course I would not "want" to stand in front of that load. I wouldn't want to get shot with a pellet gun, but that doesn't mean a pellet gun is the "best available" round for home dfense. The question posed was: "What is the best load for my home defense shotgun?" The load noted above is not the "best" load available. Might it work? Sure. But it is not the best. There is a simple answer to that question, and it has been given and explained several times. That comment is often made about bird shot, never saw it used regarding buckshot. It was also made in jest, notice the wink I know that the OP asked what is best in home defense loads. But how dead can a person be? The shells I showed will kill a person with ease in the the close ranges of a home, unless the OP is living in a palace. The others will kill a person as well. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 4:47:19 PM
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Believe it or not it's very easy to completely miss your target shooting a shotgun with an extremely tight pattern. It's easy to miss with a big pattern too but not as easy. A shotgun is made for quick snap shots at running (or flying) targets. Turning it into a rifle with slugs or tight patterns negates that advantage. You are responsible for every pellet that comes out the end of your shotgun. Me, I want them all to go into a relatively small area where I am aiming the gun, typically into a target, and if the need should arrive, into a threat. Well, technically, in a HD situation........the felon is responsible for every pellet that comes out of your gun, so long as you aren't going off unhinged and peppering the neighborhood using the situation for shits and giggles (just a disclaimer for the odd idiots that have been popping up recently.....not arf, but in life in general) due to the felony murder rule........ |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 5:51:14 PM
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Believe it or not it's very easy to completely miss your target shooting a shotgun with an extremely tight pattern. It's easy to miss with a big pattern too but not as easy. A shotgun is made for quick snap shots at running (or flying) targets. Turning it into a rifle with slugs or tight patterns negates that advantage. You are responsible for every pellet that comes out the end of your shotgun. Me, I want them all to go into a relatively small area where I am aiming the gun, typically into a target, and if the need should arrive, into a threat. Well, technically, in a HD situation........the felon is responsible for every pellet that comes out of your gun, so long as you aren't going off unhinged and peppering the neighborhood using the situation for shits and giggles (just a disclaimer for the odd idiots that have been popping up recently.....not arf, but in life in general) due to the felony murder rule........ The felon may be responsible as well, but so are you. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 6:01:06 PM
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I prefer #4 buck for HD. It will damn near eviscerate a man within 10 yards. Reading is for faggots. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 6:12:57 PM
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Posted: 8/8/2012 6:44:54 PM
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
From FAQ: The "Precision Buckshot" features unique wad that actually retains the shot the entire time in flight until it hits something. That one seems less safe in terms of barrier penetration but would be the ultimate in a tight pattern. Please understand I'm not trying to pick a fight. This ammo selection would be strictly for HD, if I was going to take the shotgun outside the home the flight control seems like the right choice. However, inside the home I am very concerned with over penetration because I live in a tight urban area i.e. sigle family homes very closely spaced. Edited for clarity. I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about the Shotgun Ammo FAQs, and I knew that piece didn't say that.
I disagree with the statement you quoted, from where ever it came. My mistake it's the FAQ in the shotgun forum http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_1/275185_Defensive_Shotgun_Ammo__Links__Part__s_and_Info___Updated_May_2012.html. My thoughts were #1 inside the home with some #1 flight control handy. I may pick up some of both and see how they pattern at 30-40 feet. 2Tired: The "Precision Buckshot" referred to above (in the FAQ you quoted) used a slightly different FliteControl wad from the standard FC wads used. It is listed as P/N LE13300PR. It was an LE item meant for barrier penetration (think half-assed frangible slug), and it was a totally different animal than the normal, standard FliteControl ammo. Direct from the ATK LE site: ...This unique development keeps buckshot in the wad until contacting a hard target, providing the kinetic energy of a slug with the impact of buckshot. Get more penetration through barriers and minimize collateral damage with this load.
LE13300PR It is no longer available, from what I understand. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 6:47:34 PM
Ok, just got back from the gun store. Guy there said to use birdshot backed by dragons breath.
Jk jk
I settled on a box of Hornady Zombie Max 00 buck and Federal 00 buck with flight control wad. How did I do? |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:01:14 PM
Originally Posted By PilotMacGruber:
I settled on a box of Hornady Zombie Max 00 buck and Federal 00 buck with flight control wad. How did I do? Both will work. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:03:24 PM
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: Originally Posted By PilotMacGruber: I settled on a box of Hornady Zombie Max 00 buck and Federal 00 buck with flight control wad. How did I do? Both will work. Yep.. How bout these?  |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:04:48 PM
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:04:54 PM
A great site for ammo testing is box o truth
It is run by our very own old_painless and is a very good resource for ammo testing. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:04:57 PM
I've got 3" 00Buck in mine, but would probably use OP's favorite #1Buck if I could find it.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:13:41 PM
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By PilotMacGruber:
I settled on a box of Hornady Zombie Max 00 buck and Federal 00 buck with flight control wad. How did I do? Both will work. Yep.. How bout these? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/banditman1/a2/DSCN8091.jpg Magnum buckshot loads result in unnecessary harsh recoil which results in longer time between follow-up shots. And, they are unnecessarily over-penetrating. Standard or even low-recoil is perferred. |
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Banditman
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:19:38 PM
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: Originally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By Old_Painless: Originally Posted By PilotMacGruber: I settled on a box of Hornady Zombie Max 00 buck and Federal 00 buck with flight control wad. How did I do? Both will work. Yep.. How bout these? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/banditman1/a2/DSCN8091.jpg Magnum buckshot loads result in unnecessary harsh recoil which results in longer time between follow-up shots. And, they are unnecessarily over-penetrating. Standard or even low-recoil is perferred. Sarcasm it was. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:34:35 PM
Interesting read
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MediaPages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=635 |
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2tired2run
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:45:53 PM
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By PilotMacGruber:
I settled on a box of Hornady Zombie Max 00 buck and Federal 00 buck with flight control wad. How did I do? Both will work. Yep.. How bout these? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/banditman1/a2/DSCN8091.jpg Magnum buckshot loads result in unnecessary harsh recoil which results in longer time between follow-up shots. And, they are unnecessarily over-penetrating. Standard or even low-recoil is perferred. Being a shotgun rookie, how likely is the low recoil to cause cycling problems? Or is this something you have to figure out by testing for each gun? |
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2tired2run
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:49:09 PM
What about these?
These shouldn't over penetrate right? |
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Old_Painless
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:49:45 PM
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Being a shotgun rookie, how likely is the low recoil to cause cycling problems? Not usually a problem. Or is this something you have to figure out by testing for each gun?
That's the only way to know for sure. |
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Old_Painless
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:50:25 PM
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Sarcasm it was. My meter needs adjusting.
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para_frame
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:01:38 PM
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By PilotMacGruber:
I settled on a box of Hornady Zombie Max 00 buck and Federal 00 buck with flight control wad. How did I do? Both will work. Yep.. How bout these? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/banditman1/a2/DSCN8091.jpg Magnum buckshot loads result in unnecessary harsh recoil which results in longer time between follow-up shots. And, they are unnecessarily over-penetrating. Standard or even low-recoil is perferred. Being a shotgun rookie, how likely is the low recoil to cause cycling problems? Or is this something you have to figure out by testing for each gun? It is something you need to test for, for the most part (but since you will test your HD ammo for POI and patterning you will already know, right? ) My model 11 will sometimes cycle LR buck on the magnum setting but when the spring and friction pieces are set up for light loads it cycles 100% of the time, with no more felt recoil than when it shoots LR ammo on the magnum setting. Of course the chances you are using a long recoil shotgun like I do for HD are slim. Some gas guns come with two pistons and other are "self regulating", so, what kind of shotgun do you run? |
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Banditman
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:08:04 PM
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: Originally Posted By Banditman: Sarcasm it was. My meter needs adjusting. As does mine quite regularly. |
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Alien
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:11:33 PM
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By PilotMacGruber:
I settled on a box of Hornady Zombie Max 00 buck and Federal 00 buck with flight control wad. How did I do? Both will work. Yep.. How bout these? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/banditman1/a2/DSCN8091.jpg Magnum buckshot loads result in unnecessary harsh recoil which results in longer time between follow-up shots. And, they are unnecessarily over-penetrating. Standard or even low-recoil is perferred. Being a shotgun rookie, how likely is the low recoil to cause cycling problems? Or is this something you have to figure out by testing for each gun? It is something you need to test for, for the most part (but since you will test your HD ammo for POI and patterning you will already know, right? ) My model 11 will sometimes cycle LR buck on the magnum setting but when the spring and friction pieces are set up for light loads it cycles 100% of the time, with no more felt recoil than when it shoots LR ammo on the magnum setting. Of course the chances you are using a long recoil shotgun like I do for HD are slim. Some gas guns come with two pistons and other are "self regulating", so, what kind of shotgun do you run?This. My Benelli M1 Super 90 worked nearly flawlessly with low recoil skeet rounds. Every now and then it would have a jam, but that was with a side saddle loaded with rounds and a mercury recoil reducer in the stock that came with the gun. Recoil operated Benelli's like a decent amount of recoil to function properly, but mine didn't care for the most part. Some people's semi-auto Benellis were more finicky about the low recoil stuff. |
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