From what I am seeing, it will be permanently attach the magazine via welding or riveting, make it featureless or turn it in to the PD.

Me, If this passes, I am out.

so adding a rivet effectively makes it a single shot weapon

Amen,preach on brother

Heaven forbid that a wild Lake Havasu killer black widow tactical ninja fresh water clams gets smuggled back through in a bilge pump of a boat. It would take root in Lake Elsinore and make that horrid green color and dead body smell away, and we just couldn't have that now could we?

I (and probably others) have been emailing the NRA, and they've issued a release now:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/8/warning-sb-249-is-california%E2%80%99s-worst-gun-confiscation-threat-in-20-years!.aspx

The only thing I take issue with in the release is the "false choice" list in there about what you are supposed to do with a BB'd GUN.

Its not the case that you have only the options to "destroy it, surrender it to a law enforcement agency, sell it out of state or have it confiscated at the time of your arrest!"

The intent of the anti-gun schmucks is that you drill the magwell and pop a rivot or welded bolt there so that the mag stays in the gun and cannot be swapped out. That' a red herring issue and is designed to try and spook the Cal appropriations committee but, really, the anti-gunners are smarter than that.

The rest of the release is pretty top notch, especially pointing out the legislative cartwheels they used to get this bill postured where it is right now.

..and I-8

..and I-10

someone needs to produce a lower with the bullet button milled in.

This way Kali will be taking peoples guns

Free

Too bad the AR industry cant make a lower (for AWB states) like the action of the steyr mannlicher carbines, where a clip of loaded ammo is placed in the top and on the last round the empty clip is dropped out the bottom. the liberals will not stop until we have no gun rights, it doesn't stop in Ca it starts there and spreads to the rest of the Union.

And you are from which state?

I don't know; I think people overestimate California's influence on gun laws nationwide. Arizona, being right next door, is a perfect example: their gun laws have been relaxed considerably in recent years, in stark contrast to Cali.

Hey for you Cali bashers, how about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

How can we be part of the solution...invade the place?

Sadly, no, they aren't. The majority of them are still deeply deluded.

Sounds good.

Here is the solution:

Get out of there. Take the blinders off your eyes, quit sitting there fat, dumb and happy –– and satisfied with neutered absurdities –– get your family and your talents and move to somewhere in which the political system of accountability actually works.

Come and taste freedom. Try it. You'll like it. Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Texas, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana... all good choices.

Attempting to "stay and fight" from within California is like the residents of a concentration camp planning an uprising by way of a hunger strike and forging ahead with that instead of a ready option to escape the place.

I've called the NRA; I've sent them emails about this thing. I've been telling folks since the BB was "invented" that it would be a treated as a "loophole" by the liberals and snapped shut. I've explained to infinity and then some why a state that is THAT gerrymandered into districts guaranteed to give Democrats control of the Assembly for ever, and with those Democrats in the pockets of the unions and civil servants, that you will never actually effectuate legal change.

You guys are satisfied to jump into group-think inspired "end arounds" of the law, and you invest thousands of dollars forgetting the assembly can and will fuck you at will. Then you send letters to those guys until you're blue in the face. They won't listen. Click on internet polls. 11,000 clicks? Snarf!!! What a joke. That sort of thing has not effected political change EVER. Threaten to withhold your vote? They don't care. They drew the districts so they win every time anyway. I suppose you can talk yourselves into believing that moonbeam is against gun control, but don't wince too hard when he signs gun ban after gun ban after gun ban. (Long arm registration, unloaded open carry come to mind). Oh, and keep sending your disposable income to Calguns to keep their leaders with their secret "chess not checkers" and "sure throw us in the briar patch" secret plans in folding money. Their lawsuits have lots of press releases at the beginning but not much by way of a long term solutions at the end. Their tunnel vision is the same as yours: They've spent hundreds of thousands on lawsuits trying to "force" police departments to educate their officers about the "legality" of bullet buttons. But in doing so, they forgot that they got the bullet button trick to work due to regulatory tweak and that the general assembly can retool the law (and thus trigger rewrite of the regulations) at will.

You could do all those things, but until you decide that you value freedom more than beaches and blondes and palm trees, there's not much the free state folks can do for you guys. And as long as you stay you hurt yourselves and you hurt us too, by adding to census numbers that continue to give California more power on the Federal level and by putting your productive efforts out there to generate tax dollars to continue to prop up a system that ought to have collapsed under its own weight long ago. Tax dollars that subsidize illegal aliens and enemies of freedom.



Oh, and with guys in your state talking like this: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=600510 don't expect too much support from outside.

Don't send the funds to me.

Oh, here we go.

"Send California money or we'll secede!"

Go, and don't let the door hit you on the ass. The red-staters will use the absence of your electoral vote dominance and fleet of libtard reps and senators to reduce the OVERALL amount of money that gets redistributed by the federal government in toto, it will sting but we'll survive without you, and you'll be overrun by illegals and find yourselves the first sit of the revolution de reupublica del norte before long anyway. And you'll all be fucking holding neutered shit-for-guns to try and defend that shit.

Friend, I'm at a loss.

I had high hopes for the commission that was supposed to look over the redistricting process, but it floundered and failed.

Truly, the system is so far gone that I honestly can't see what gun owners can do there. There are not enough of you to affect the gerrymandered voting districts.

Maybe you can "go Galt" while living there, trying to minimize your contribution to the machine, but I get back to my analogy of the concentration camp and I think I'd just get out. You can talk football strategy all day long, but if the other team has paid the refs to make you lose, you're best off getting off the field and refusing to play in such a sham.

On a broader level, I've been trying to get a couple big 2A names to jump in with me to write a law review article that deals with the regulatory limits in terms of "what" can and cannot be banned. It may be that some more good rulings out of Scotus will help, but with Roberts deciding that his status at cocktail parties in DC is more important than the constitution, I'd be reticent to depend on new rulings on the national level for a while.

ETA: one more solution I had suggested to me from a family member behind the lines in California (he's decided to move here if it passes! Fucking about time!)...

Anyway, his suggestion: Split California into NorCal and SoCal, ala this map or something similar:

Note that Yee's spokesman says that they put a 2013 effective date so that people could have their mag releases WELDED.

That will probably suffice legally to preclude a takings case. I wish people had some tiny measure of understanding of constitutional law.

You don't have to turn in the fucking guns under their approach. The courts will laugh that argument out into the halls. Since the gun can be kept with the magazine WELDED in, the gun itself has not been TAKEN. Its just had its capabilities reduced, they would say.

You guys have to get away from a bullshit argument in trying to defend your 2A rights.

Your position should be: Gun owners in 41 other states can own weapons without even a bullet button and these items are not the deciding factor in mass shootings or otherwise. The deciding factor is armed criminals versus unarmed innocents. Where that combination exists, people will die.

from your post it appears that you know nothing about california gun owners. YES WE KNOW WE ARE NOT FUCKING FREE. YES WE ARE TRYING TO FIGHT THESE LAWS.
every time someone buys a gun in calif, and jumps through all the BS hoops, we know we are not free, NO ONE is pretending about anything.

either help us to fight these laws, and shut up with the bashing bullshit.

GUN OWNERS WILL LOSE, WHEN FELLOW GUN OWNERS KICK THEIR OWN, INSTEAD OF HELPING THEM.

I'm trying to HELP you in the same way I helped my best friend to realize that STAYING in a relationship with a cheating wife who spent his money and did drugs in front of his kid was the problem, and that nothing would come of his belief he needed to continue to "fight" to make that marriage work.

Same situation, sir. You suffer those indignities every-time you guy a gun ... and yet you stay.

My buddy suffered the laughing chuffles of his wife's co-workers for years at every Christmas party –– they all knew she was balling the area manager. He suffered the indignity of trying to explain to his kiddo why mommy threw up again when she was "sewing her arms". Yet he stayed.

It never gets better because, like him, you have zero chance of changing things. The true change occurs when you realize that getting out and away from the poisonous situation is your only, and best, hope.

Sad Californian checking in.

I don't have an "assault weapon" because of these bullshit laws, but man this really pisses me off. I've been doing what I can to fight it, but honestly I feel like there is nothing we can do. The government is against us, the media is against us, half of our own countrymen are against us. We can be right and it just doesn't matter.
I switched to a Garand as my primary rifle a while back because of this bullshit.

They LITERALLY flamed the shit out of you huh? Did it hurt much?