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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:15:58 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Also turns out that "Chess not Checkers" is not working for the Calguns guys. Here's the text that supposedly will be added to the bullet button bill in the next committee: SECTION ONE:
It is the intent of the Legislature to clarify that the term “detachable magazine” as used in Penal Code section 30515 includes a magazine that may be detached by merely depressing a button on the firearm either with a finger or by use of a tool or bullet. This is a clarification of existing law SECTION TWO: Amend Penal Code section 30515 to add: Subdivision (d) For purposes of this section, “detachable magazine” means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm without disassembly of the firearm action. Subdivision (e) The Attorney General is directed to bring existing regulations into conformity with this section. As I read that, this language would pretty much wipe out bullet buttoned 10 round guns. Wonder if the California guys will figure out that they're not free, and that pretending they are under the auspices of funny loopholes is only fun until the Assembly pulls the rug out from under them. BTW, they're still delusion at CalGuns. They continue to have no idea what ex post facto means, or that a change in what constitutes a gun susceptible to take a detachable magazine does not stand as a "taking" of an entire rifle. (they can keep the rifle simply by adding a rivot that holds the magazine in). Who's the ARFCOM'er who bought one of those solid bottom magwell AR15s? (the FAB10?) |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:16:56 PM
I feel safer, even from Texas.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:20:38 PM
Buld the border fence. Put it around California. They keep fleeing to Texas and bringing their liberal politics with them.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:23:22 PM
Originally Posted By 41Fan:
Buld the border fence. Put it around California. They keep fleeing to Texas and bringing their liberal politics with them. Travis/ Alameda County...  |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:24:22 PM
Originally Posted By 41Fan: Buld the border fence. Put it around California. They keep fleeing to Texas and bringing their liberal politics with them. They're not fleeing to Texas.  It's costing me a shitload of money to bus them there.  |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:28:42 PM
Texas is the new Kalifornia.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:32:48 PM
Originally Posted By MurphysInLaw:
Texas is the new Kalifornia. Funny how New Mexico flys under so many radars?  |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:37:41 PM
Kommiefornia polluted AZ. Now, they're after TX?
Build the fence! TC |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:40:50 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 1:41:02 PM by ptoguy2002]
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
SECTION ONE:
It is the intent of the Legislature to clarify that the term “detachable magazine” as used in Penal Code section 30515 includes a magazine that may be detached by merely depressing a button on the firearm either with a finger or by use of a tool or bullet. This is a clarification of existing law SECTION TWO: Amend Penal Code section 30515 to add: Subdivision (d) For purposes of this section, “detachable magazine” means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm without disassembly of the firearm action. Subdivision (e) The Attorney General is directed to bring existing regulations into conformity with this section. Link to source of new bill text? |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:41:20 PM
Well at least there's always the fixed mag SKS to fall back on.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:44:53 PM
Meh, I have a .38 and a 10/22.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:49:59 PM
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Can FALs be fed with stripper clips?
I seem to remember there being CA legal FALs that have fixed mags and are feedable with stripper clips. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:52:46 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 1:53:11 PM by ptoguy2002]
Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Can FALs be fed with stripper clips? I seem to remember there being CA legal FALs that have fixed mags and are feedable with stripper clips. Yes, but with the new bit in the law in the OP, everything would be up in the air at that point. OP: Where did you get that bill text? Link? . Bill is not showing as amended yet, please let us know the source of that bill text. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:54:17 PM
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Well at least there's always the fixed mag SKS to fall back on. Or a Keltec SU16
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:57:06 PM
Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Can FALs be fed with stripper clips? I seem to remember there being CA legal FALs that have fixed mags and are feedable with stripper clips. Find a Canadian dust cover for the FAL, perm attach the mag, ymmv |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:57:52 PM
Originally Posted By ptoguy2002:
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Well at least there's always the fixed mag SKS to fall back on. Or a Keltec SU16
I bet California would eventually go after both of those too.  |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:00:19 PM
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Originally Posted By ptoguy2002:
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Well at least there's always the fixed mag SKS to fall back on. Or a Keltec SU16
I bet California would eventually go after both of those too. Count on it! The "SKS fiasco" |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:03:16 PM
I wouldn't up on Texas until 2040, when the projected number of urban residents will out number the rural residents
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:19:25 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 2:25:14 PM by NagOrzo15-1]
Originally Posted By ptoguy2002:
Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Can FALs be fed with stripper clips? I seem to remember there being CA legal FALs that have fixed mags and are feedable with stripper clips. Yes, but with the new bit in the law in the OP, everything would be up in the air at that point. OP: Where did you get that bill text? Link? . Bill is not showing as amended yet, please let us know the source of that bill text. They're posting about it in the Yee thread on Calguns. Its from the Cal Guns Foundation, and they had the inside track on the original bill text when it came out so their indication this is the next step is probably accurate. Correction: Gun Owners of California sent the emails with the proposed text. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:21:12 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 2:27:41 PM by 4v50]
Phuck Leland Yee. He is a dumbshit and a political weakling who is always seeking higher office. When I was in CA, I wouldn't vote for that arse.
The cops at the Mission District busted Lee for culling for prostitutes. In Hawaii, he was arrested for shoplifting sunblock lotion. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:23:23 PM
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Phuck Leland Yee. He is a dumbshit and a political weakling who is always seeking higher office. When I was in CA, I wouldn't vote for that arse. Ban shark fin soup! |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:27:14 PM
Yikes. My sympathy to our friends in California. Did I get in before the "fuck California-move" comments.
For as ghey as most people seem to think the bullet button is, it was a good workaround for their AWB. Give it enough time and enough growth of libtards, and this could happen in almost any state. Our wonderful governer here is trying to jam another AWB through now, using the Aurora Colorado shootings and NIU shootings as justifications. Yay political gain for tragadies! |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:44:42 PM
Originally Posted By nightmare0331:
Yikes. My sympathy to our friends in California. Did I get in before the "fuck California-move" comments. For as ghey as most people seem to think the bullet button is, it was a good workaround for their AWB. Give it enough time and enough growth of libtards, and this could happen in almost any state. Our wonderful governer here is trying to jam another AWB through now, using the Aurora Colorado shootings and NIU shootings as justifications. Yay political gain for tragadies! Well, I'm squarely in the "fuck California" camp and I started the thread. My point is this: That state is lost. Anyone who lives there pretending to be free by trying to thread the needle of their behavior through loopholes or creative interpretations (e.g., bullet buttons, off-list-lowers, featureless guns, magazine "rebuild kits" ) is fooling themselves and simply sitting there providing their tax dollars and census count to a system they'll never change. Although it sucks this is happening to them, I figured it would as soon as I heard about the bullet button device being introduced. The freedom hating liberals do not want them to have AR15 pattern guns. They will keep legislating until they succeed in their effort for a total ban. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:47:12 PM
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1: Originally Posted By nightmare0331: Yikes. My sympathy to our friends in California. Did I get in before the "fuck California-move" comments. For as ghey as most people seem to think the bullet button is, it was a good workaround for their AWB. Give it enough time and enough growth of libtards, and this could happen in almost any state. Our wonderful governer here is trying to jam another AWB through now, using the Aurora Colorado shootings and NIU shootings as justifications. Yay political gain for tragadies! Well, I'm squarely in the "fuck California" camp and I started the thread. My point is this: That state is lost. Anyone who lives there pretending to be free by trying to thread the needle of their behavior through loopholes or creative interpretations (e.g., bullet buttons, off-list-lowers, featureless guns, magazine "rebuild kits" ) is fooling themselves and simply sitting there providing their tax dollars and census count to a system they'll never change. Although it sucks this is happening to them, I figured it would as soon as I heard about the bullet button device being introduced. The freedom hating liberals do not want them to have AR15 pattern guns. They will keep legislating until they succeed in their effort for a total ban. We know. Chances are better than good that any thread dealing with California gun laws was started by you. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:48:44 PM
Awwshit..... Someone step on the cockroach Yee before his anti-gun disease spreads any farther.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:51:44 PM
Originally Posted By VacaDuck:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By nightmare0331:
Yikes. My sympathy to our friends in California. Did I get in before the "fuck California-move" comments. For as ghey as most people seem to think the bullet button is, it was a good workaround for their AWB. Give it enough time and enough growth of libtards, and this could happen in almost any state. Our wonderful governer here is trying to jam another AWB through now, using the Aurora Colorado shootings and NIU shootings as justifications. Yay political gain for tragadies! Well, I'm squarely in the "fuck California" camp and I started the thread. My point is this: That state is lost. Anyone who lives there pretending to be free by trying to thread the needle of their behavior through loopholes or creative interpretations (e.g., bullet buttons, off-list-lowers, featureless guns, magazine "rebuild kits" ) is fooling themselves and simply sitting there providing their tax dollars and census count to a system they'll never change. Although it sucks this is happening to them, I figured it would as soon as I heard about the bullet button device being introduced. The freedom hating liberals do not want them to have AR15 pattern guns. They will keep legislating until they succeed in their effort for a total ban. We know. Chances are better than good that any thread dealing with California gun laws was started by you. The question is: Am I right about what those shitbag politicians are doing to you guys or not? Didn't I say months ago that they would get around to wiping bullet buttons off the market? I was right about the serious threat this bill represented while half of Cal Guns had a joke thread about it. When the other side has the votes and the political will to fry you, it makes sense not to make jokes. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:55:41 PM
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1: Originally Posted By VacaDuck: Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1: Originally Posted By nightmare0331: Yikes. My sympathy to our friends in California. Did I get in before the "fuck California-move" comments. For as ghey as most people seem to think the bullet button is, it was a good workaround for their AWB. Give it enough time and enough growth of libtards, and this could happen in almost any state. Our wonderful governer here is trying to jam another AWB through now, using the Aurora Colorado shootings and NIU shootings as justifications. Yay political gain for tragadies! Well, I'm squarely in the "fuck California" camp and I started the thread. My point is this: That state is lost. Anyone who lives there pretending to be free by trying to thread the needle of their behavior through loopholes or creative interpretations (e.g., bullet buttons, off-list-lowers, featureless guns, magazine "rebuild kits" ) is fooling themselves and simply sitting there providing their tax dollars and census count to a system they'll never change. Although it sucks this is happening to them, I figured it would as soon as I heard about the bullet button device being introduced. The freedom hating liberals do not want them to have AR15 pattern guns. They will keep legislating until they succeed in their effort for a total ban. We know. Chances are better than good that any thread dealing with California gun laws was started by you. The question is: Am I right about what those shitbag politicians are doing to you guys or not? Didn't I say months ago that they would get around to wiping bullet buttons off the market? I was right about the serious threat this bill represented while half of Cal Guns had a joke thread about it. When the other side has the votes and the political will to fry you, it makes sense not to make jokes. I don't know. I stopped reading the bulk of your posts months ago. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:56:22 PM
I've already been chastised by the mouth breathers at calguns for being vocal about how a possible new regestration period wound NOT be the greatest thing ever.
Everyone there is so apathetic its disgusting. They think signing an online bullshit petition or "liking" a facebook page is going to do jack or shit. Keep writing letters to died in the wool democraps who don't give half a shit about the peasants they rule over. I hate this state, when I have no family let here that need me I am fucking audi 5000. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 2:58:29 PM
Originally Posted By AA717driver:
Kommiefornia polluted AZ. Now, they're after TX? Build the fence! TC Not really...well maybe a little.  |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 3:00:51 PM
You Californians are seriously screwed.
At least you will be before the rest of us.  |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 4:20:30 PM
Originally Posted By SexualChocolate:
I've already been chastised by the mouth breathers at calguns for being vocal about how a possible new regestration period wound NOT be the greatest thing ever. Everyone there is so apathetic its disgusting. They think signing an online bullshit petition or "liking" a facebook page is going to do jack or shit. Keep writing letters to died in the wool democraps who don't give half a shit about the peasants they rule over. I hate this state, when I have no family let here that need me I am fucking audi 5000. But there's 11,000 "clicks" on the STOPAB249 page! Remember all the times that internet polls stopped freedom hating politicians from perma-win districts from doing bad things? No? Me neither. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 8:51:26 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 8:51:57 PM by NagOrzo15-1]
UPDATE:
CalGuns Foundation has posted what they say is the actual text of the next amendment: "SECTION 1. Section 30515 of the Penal Code is amended to read: *** (d) (1) For the purposes of this section, "detachable magazine" means any ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed from the firearm without disassembly of the firearm action. "Detachable magazine" includes a magazine that may be detached from the firearm by merely depressing a button on the firearm either with the finger or by use of a tool or a bullet. (2) The Attorney General shall amend applicable regulations to bring those regulations into conformity with this subdivision. (3) This subdivision shall become operative on July 1, 2013." The "without dis-assembly of the action part" seems to save normal SKS rifles from suddenly becoming banned assault weapons... and the focus on a "button" seems to be a typical uninformed anti-gunner oversight. Thankfully for the anti-gun authors, the posters at CalGuns are going on and on about "lever" mag releases so I'm sure the anti-gunners will close that loophole in short order. But not to worry, they say there's another "secret" plan and are blathering about the briar patch again so I'm sure they've got a 'plan' |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 8:57:13 PM
As a former resident of the people's republic of Kalifornia, I feel perfectly entitled to say "FUCK Kalifornia"
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:34:55 PM
Oh, look. A "Fuck California!" thread by NagOrzo. How unusual.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:42:37 PM
In for the info, were're next
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:46:07 PM
When you hear "chess, not checkers", think Stockholm Syndrome.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:48:14 PM
I'm really curious to know how this will affect bullet-button equipped rifles that are already in private hands, assuming it passes.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:48:57 PM
So is this only for the rifles with pistol grips that needed a bullet button in the first place, or all detachable magazine rifles, such as M1As, Mini-14s, etc?
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:50:35 PM
Originally Posted By Standard:
So is this only for the rifles with pistol grips that needed a bullet button in the first place, or all detachable magazine rifles, such as M1As, Mini-14s, etc? All the evil features inc bayo lug, FS and folding stocks |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:55:45 PM
+1 for a border fence to defend AZ from CA.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 10:07:03 PM
Originally Posted By steinlok87: Well at least there's always the fixed mag SKS to fall back on. Not with the law change, the whole bullet/tool thing was to keep fixed mag SKSs from being an 'SKS with detachable magazines' under the Roberti-Roos 1989 law. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 10:24:35 PM
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By nightmare0331:
Yikes. My sympathy to our friends in California. Did I get in before the "fuck California-move" comments. For as ghey as most people seem to think the bullet button is, it was a good workaround for their AWB. Give it enough time and enough growth of libtards, and this could happen in almost any state. Our wonderful governer here is trying to jam another AWB through now, using the Aurora Colorado shootings and NIU shootings as justifications. Yay political gain for tragadies! Well, I'm squarely in the "fuck California" camp and I started the thread. My point is this: That state is lost. Anyone who lives there pretending to be free by trying to thread the needle of their behavior through loopholes or creative interpretations (e.g., bullet buttons, off-list-lowers, featureless guns, magazine "rebuild kits" ) is fooling themselves and simply sitting there providing their tax dollars and census count to a system they'll never change. Although it sucks this is happening to them, I figured it would as soon as I heard about the bullet button device being introduced. The freedom hating liberals do not want them to have AR15 pattern guns. They will keep legislating until they succeed in their effort for a total ban. Why such the hard on for californians getting screwed  |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 10:27:31 PM
Originally Posted By Silver_Surfer:
Originally Posted By MurphysInLaw:
Texas is the new Kalifornia. Funny how New Mexico flys under so many radars? Ever been to New Mexico? It's not flying under the radar. People are well aware of it hence why they decide to go elsewhere. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 10:29:07 PM
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I wouldn't up on Texas until 2040, when the projected number of urban residents will out number the rural residents Or until all the illegals get citizenship. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:47:21 PM
Originally Posted By DVCAPI:
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Well at least there's always the fixed mag SKS to fall back on. Not with the law change, the whole bullet/tool thing was to keep fixed mag SKSs from being an 'SKS with detachable magazines' under the Roberti-Roos 1989 law. Nope. The proposed language says that if you have to disassemble the action (e.g., on an SKS –– remove the trigger group) then its not readily detached even if it takes a small tool. Plus, a regular SKS does not have a flash hider, collapsible stock, or pistol grip. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:49:24 PM
[Last Edit: 8/3/2012 12:13:09 AM by NagOrzo15-1]
Originally Posted By Sixtigers:
Oh, look. A "Fuck California!" thread by NagOrzo. How unusual. Oh, look. Another California member who wants to explain why we're too hard on California, and on the guys who stay there funding the machine with their tax dollars and padding the census figures with their presence, and who believe the chains don't quite weigh so heavily as to justify a move. No worries, nothing to see here. They're just trying to make a shitload of people into felons. But hey, I hear the beaches are nice. 
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:09:58 AM
[Last Edit: 8/3/2012 3:25:57 AM by wyv3rn]
All you internet tough-guys in other states with sig-lines like "Remember the Alamo" and romanticize "fighting to the last man" scenarios never cease to crack me up with your whimpyness and narrow minded bigotry. You know who I am talking about.. all the "fuck California" guys are big loudmouth pussy blue falcons who would be the first to bug out in a tough situation. I wouldn't want a single one of you watching my six. You say people should leave California, but then you speak of fencing them in and how "we don't want no fuckin' Californians in our state Bubba" instead of treating ex-Californians kindly like the political refugees most of the people leaving the state are. Most of the people leaving the state are the remaining conservatives, not the libtards. And they stayed and fought the fight longer than most. You should be welcoming them with open arms. You should all be ashamed of your relishing and cheering on as you watch your neighbors and brothers of this country get their freedoms taken away. You should be encouraging them in their fight for freedom in all states of this United States of America.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:11:59 AM
Originally Posted By the-fly: As a former resident of the people's republic of Kalifornia, I feel perfectly entitled to say "FUCK Kalifornia" |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:17:06 AM
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By Sixtigers:
Oh, look. A "Fuck California!" thread by NagOrzo. How unusual. Oh, look. Another California member who wants to explain why we're too hard on California, and on the guys who stay there funding the machine with their tax dollars and padding the census figures with their presence, and who believe the chains don't quite weigh so heavily as to justify a move. No worries, nothing to see here. They're just trying to make a shitload of people into felons. But hey, I hear the beaches are nice. http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/images/ostriches-head-in-sand.jpg You have an unhealthy obsession with our state. Do you actually live here? You don't display your state of residence. |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 10:31:46 AM
Originally Posted By Sleepy1988:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By Sixtigers:
Oh, look. A "Fuck California!" thread by NagOrzo. How unusual. Oh, look. Another California member who wants to explain why we're too hard on California, and on the guys who stay there funding the machine with their tax dollars and padding the census figures with their presence, and who believe the chains don't quite weigh so heavily as to justify a move. No worries, nothing to see here. They're just trying to make a shitload of people into felons. But hey, I hear the beaches are nice. http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/images/ostriches-head-in-sand.jpg You have an unhealthy obsession with our state. Do you actually live here? You don't display your state of residence. California members are the only people on this site who have literally flamed the shit out of me for refusing to put myself at legal risk to sell them shit that is facially banned using some sort of a gimmick or the other. "Just take the AK mags apart and sell them to me as rebuild kits dude. Its totally legit." 
I live in Colorado, but I have some friends and family behind the lines in your state –– a few of whom I've actually convinced to leave. Two more are leaving if this bill passes. One guy in particular has been a good little naive bee... he dutifully bought the bullshit from Calguns that Bullet Buttons would be good to go indefinitely even though its always been pretty clear the anti-gunners would go after them once they figured out the score. He's got about $10K in hardware that he'll have to neuter –– either making it "featureless" (i.e., dildo shaped grips), or riveting a magazine in place. Meanwhile, the Calguns guys treated this legislation as a joke from the beginning, and only now are pulling out all the stops. Of course 'pulling out all the stops' so far as I can tell consists of: 1. An internet click poll. (wow) 2. An internet form letter generator. (gasp) 3. Posting detailed threads on why the latest language from the anti-guunners doesn't get some of the guns. They're helping him write a better (more restrictive) bill. |
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Warhawk
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Posted: 8/3/2012 10:37:34 AM
[Last Edit: 8/3/2012 10:38:45 AM by Warhawk]
Originally Posted By derekv814:
+1 for a border fence to defend AZ from CA. Do they still have that AZ/CA border checkpoint on I-40 where they check for illegal fruits and vegatables, coming INTO Calif.? That one always cracked me up. |
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