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Posted: 7/3/2012 4:07:18 PM [Last Edit: 7/5/2012 11:46:48 AM by Redneck_in_Texas] THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I keep hearing more and more on this UN Arms Trade Treaty. The Senate still has to ratify treaties, right? With this idiot in the White House, I wouldn't put it past him to just EO the fucking thing. That's if there isn't a section in this health care bill to allow the president to sign treaties. Since no one has read the fucking thing...

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Sharpshooter Member Joined: Feb 2001  OK, USA Posts: 4464 Feedback: 100% (34) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/3/2012 4:20:38 PM Yes it takes a 2/3rds vote. The full process is this.. Ratification Process
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1026 Member Joined: Aug 2009  OH, USA Posts: 830 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/3/2012 6:08:52 PM They can do an end around by not calling it a treaty, as they did with NAFTA. Unilateral action by Obama is always a possibility, too. Think Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.
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Redneck_in_Texas Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2011  TX, USA Posts: 1336 Feedback: 100% (6) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 11:47:29 AM I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places.
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badfish274 Member Team Member Joined: Dec 2006  FL, USA Posts: 26120 Feedback: 100% (23) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 11:49:58 AM Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery.
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KC-10Boom Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2008  MAC Posts: 5221 Feedback: 100% (11) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 11:51:13 AM Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery. Wasn't this supposed to get ratified under Clinton's term? It's been so long that I've forgot.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 11:51:21 AM Originally Posted By 1026: They can do an end around by not calling it a treaty, as they did with NAFTA. Unilateral action by Obama is always a possibility, too. Think Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. That wouldn't be very smart on obamas part, that would be legislation via EO and could very well end up with getting the boot either by electing Romney or impeachment and conviction for high crimes and such. Between now and November 5th there will be no gun control anything, after who knows

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Posted: 7/5/2012 11:51:47 AM Originally Posted By KC-10Boom: Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery. Wasn't this supposed to get ratified under Clinton's term? It's been so long that I've forgot. People have been wetting their panties over this treaty since Clinton's term, at least.

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Posted: 7/5/2012 11:53:00 AM [Last Edit: 7/5/2012 11:53:56 AM by learath] Pre or Post Roberts? Pre, I'd say yes, clearly. Post? NFC ETA: Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By KC-10Boom: Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery. Wasn't this supposed to get ratified under Clinton's term? It's been so long that I've forgot. People have been wetting their panties over this treaty since Clinton's term, at least. Ahh yes. It's been more than the 3 nanosecond attention span of an ant. Feel free to ignore it, the totally honest Democrats won't try anything.

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Subnet Round on the ends and high in the middle. Life Member Joined: Apr 2004  OH, USA Posts: 70939 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 11:54:32 AM Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery. This.
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America-first Tired of all the bullshit Team Member Joined: Oct 2005  FL, USA Posts: 27920 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 11:55:52 AM It's the Senate that actually "approves" a treaty by means of a 2/3 vote. The President is the one who then "ratifies" it.
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America-first Tired of all the bullshit Team Member Joined: Oct 2005  FL, USA Posts: 27921 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 11:56:44 AM Originally Posted By Subnet: Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery. This. Indeed, but I expected that 20% to be much more vocal.
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runcible Never Knows Best Team Member Joined: Nov 2005  NY, USA Posts: 25175 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 11:56:46 AM Originally Posted By Subnet: Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery. This. Uh, yep.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 11:59:13 AM Originally Posted By America-first: Originally Posted By Subnet: Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery. This. Indeed, but I expected that 20% to be much more vocal. Oh if the treaty is signed and ratified, there will be an incredible gnashing of teeth and wailing.

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mattg43 Member Joined: May 2009  VA, USA Posts: 871 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 12:00:09 PM 2/3rds until odumbo signs another executive order... for the children.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:00:30 PM Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. It has actually come up a number of times. Here's what I remember from those threads: 1. Treaties can't override the BOR or the Constitution. 2. The treaty is for exportation of small arms to countries such as Somalia and other such trouble spots. 3. The President can't sign an executive order to implement this proposed treaty. 4. The NRA is using this as a scare tactic to raise funds. 5. It's on the tin-foil side of things. 6. It's been going on for years.

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out-a-ammo Member Joined: Jul 2002  VA, USA Posts: 14416 Feedback: 100% (4) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/5/2012 12:00:36 PM Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. It has gotten attention, it has been discussed on here for years before you were a member.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:01:24 PM Originally Posted By learath: Pre or Post Roberts? Pre, I'd say yes, clearly. Post? NFC ETA: Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By KC-10Boom: Originally Posted By badfish274: Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: I really don't understand why this hasn't gotten more attention here, of all places. Because, thankfully, 80% of people seem to realize this is all a bunch of tinfoil nuttery. Wasn't this supposed to get ratified under Clinton's term? It's been so long that I've forgot. People have been wetting their panties over this treaty since Clinton's term, at least. Ahh yes. It's been more than the 3 nanosecond attention span of an ant. Feel free to ignore it, the totally honest Democrats won't try anything. Yep, we are far better off to cry wolf and panic over non-credible threats so when a real threat does come along, no one has the emotional energy left to take it seriously. PANIC FUCKIN' PANIC PEOPLE!! BTW, 57 Senators have publically announced their opposition to the treaty and it only takes 34 to stop it.

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Posted: 7/5/2012 1:23:58 PM Please don't take this personally. But...according to arfcom, obunghole shouldn't be sitting in the white house right now. So, you'll have to forgive me if I don't underestimate the lengths this mother fucker will go to to disarm us and declare himself king or emperor or whatever. I don't put anything past this bastard. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

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Posted: 7/5/2012 1:30:30 PM [Last Edit: 7/5/2012 2:05:23 PM by Snips] Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas: Please don't take this personally. But...according to arfcom, obunghole shouldn't be sitting in the white house right now. So, you'll have to forgive me if I don't underestimate the lengths this mother fucker will go to to disarm us and declare himself king or emperor or whatever. I don't put anything past this bastard. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me. Well, if we're going to full on nutter-land, he doesn't need a treaty if he's just going to declare that you have to turn your guns over the official political officer. You're going to need a few more sq mi of duct tape tin foil. Edit: I guess you need duct tape to hold that much tin foil? I don't know.

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