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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:13:37 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
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Whose right takes precedence? Your right to be nude, or my right not to see it and to not have my kids see it? The right of the individual. Rights are not collaborative mr zhukov What of my right - as an INDIVIDUAL - not to want be exposed to public nudity? Your right not to be offended? You keep making that point as if me being offended is the only negative thing that can come from rampant displays of public nudity. I reject that notion. Do you bring adhesive leaves with you to art museums? |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:19:33 PM
For all you slippery slope people, what is the difference between a bikini, a men's speedo, and being nude?
The two former ones are legal, why aren't teachers wearing them to school? Why aren't children being mentally scarred by seeing them? Why aren't schools having bikini days, and speedo days? I think its all much to do about nothing. |
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DanTSX
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:21:04 PM
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
For all you slippery slope people, what is the difference between a bikini, a men's speedo, and being nude? The two former ones are legal, why aren't teachers wearing them to school? Why aren't children being mentally scarred by seeing them? Why aren't schools having bikini days, and speedo days? I think its all much to do about nothing. Because school isn't on the beach. Duh! |
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VTHOKIESHOOTER
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:22:30 PM
Why is it that most folks, when they leave the beach or the pool they put some kind of over cover on?
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:27:30 PM
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Why is it that most folks, when they leave the beach or the pool they put some kind of over cover on? Let me see if I understand you correctly: You are against there being a LAW to prohibit something that social pressure should accomplish on its own. Is that a correct interpretation? |
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VTHOKIESHOOTER
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:35:20 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov: Sure, in other words, sorta like a free market. One community can say that is not acceptable around here. Lady showing off the boobies can say "darn it". At that time she could try to convince others that she's not doing any harm or just say fuck it and put a top on.
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Why is it that most folks, when they leave the beach or the pool they put some kind of over cover on? Let me see if I understand you correctly: You are against there being a LAW to prohibit something that social pressure should accomplish on its own. Is that a correct interpretation? At the same time, a person could find themselves in an area that's more open to non-sexual nudity get offended and the inhabitants can say this is how we roll, obviously this has not caused us to descend into the abyss, let us be, or perhaps try it yourself.
But honestly, I'm rather sick of laws and ordinances, though with the current issues we have in this country, public nudity isn't something that I'm willing to die on the sword for. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:37:13 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Why is it that most folks, when they leave the beach or the pool they put some kind of over cover on? Let me see if I understand you correctly: You are against there being a LAW to prohibit something that social pressure should accomplish on its own. Is that a correct interpretation? Absolutely. The government's job it protect freedom, not enforce social norms. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:41:50 PM
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Lower obesity rates. I was going to post this. Next time you are in WalMart ask yourself if you really want to see those people naked. Those willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither... Or something like that.  Those will to trade shitty diets and sedentary lifestyles for...something...get fat and nasty. You get the picture.  It ain't healthy diets and exercise that keeps those pasty fuckers skinny, it's alcoholism and three packs a day. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:41:58 PM
If somebody wants to walk around naked, fine, i couldn't care less. Just don't complain when the neighbor's Rat Terrier jumps up and bites you in the junk.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:42:34 PM
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If somebody wants to walk around naked, fine, i couldn't care less. Just don't complain when the neighbor's Rat Terrier jumps up and bites you in the junk. That will be the day that YouTube goes thermonuclear. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:50:30 PM
[Last Edit: 7/5/2012 5:52:27 PM by Zhukov]
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Sure, in other words, sorta like a free market. One community can say that is not acceptable around here. Lady showing off the boobies can say "darn it". At that time she could try to convince others that she's not doing any harm or just say fuck it and put a top on.
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Why is it that most folks, when they leave the beach or the pool they put some kind of over cover on? Let me see if I understand you correctly: You are against there being a LAW to prohibit something that social pressure should accomplish on its own. Is that a correct interpretation? At the same time, a person could find themselves in an area that's more open to non-sexual nudity get offended and the inhabitants can say this is how we roll, obviously this has not caused us to descend into the abyss, let us be, or perhaps try it yourself.
But honestly, I'm rather sick of laws and ordinances, though with the current issues we have in this country, public nudity isn't something that I'm willing to die on the sword for. Ideally I'd like to agree with you. My biggest beef isn't so much with sensible people doing sensible things. My concern is if you proactively make a law that specifically allows public nudity and the boundary pushing that will result. One of my earlier posts specifically commented on the need for liberty to be tempered with personal responsibility and morals; no one ever commented on that post. If you could rely on people to "do the right thing", I'd have no problem with it either. That is ultimately my biggest gripe: The ability of a small - but vocal and trend setting minority - to usurp the issue and take their perceived "freedoms" where they shouldn't.
In a lot of ways, it reminds me of a thread in GD from yesterday called something like "Why are some religions protected here and others aren't?" A vast majority of people knew and accepted that following the simple rule of "don't be a jerk" will avoid problems. There are ALWAYS people who push the issue, want clarification, and in the end you're either left with the choice of having it be a free-for-all, or a very restrictive rule that boxes the membership in. BOTD is another good example: You could rely on people to follow common-sense guidelines, but time and again the issue was pushed, and now you end up with an insta-warning if you post a bikini picture; BOTD pics are restricted to their own forum.
I view this argument the same way. The vast majority of us - you, me, fatalerror113 (not so sure about that DanTSX guy
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:52:45 PM
Originally Posted By Drakich:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why do Europeans take a much more relaxed attitude to public nudity compared to Canadians and Americans? Because their country wasn't settled by the Puritans. Bingo....... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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VTHOKIESHOOTER
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Posted: 7/5/2012 5:59:43 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov: I think you've hit on something. There seems to be two extremes when dealing with things either "YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME!!!" or "LETS CALL THE COPS OR PASS A LAW!"
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Sure, in other words, sorta like a free market. One community can say that is not acceptable around here. Lady showing off the boobies can say "darn it". At that time she could try to convince others that she's not doing any harm or just say fuck it and put a top on.
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Why is it that most folks, when they leave the beach or the pool they put some kind of over cover on? Let me see if I understand you correctly: You are against there being a LAW to prohibit something that social pressure should accomplish on its own. Is that a correct interpretation? At the same time, a person could find themselves in an area that's more open to non-sexual nudity get offended and the inhabitants can say this is how we roll, obviously this has not caused us to descend into the abyss, let us be, or perhaps try it yourself.
But honestly, I'm rather sick of laws and ordinances, though with the current issues we have in this country, public nudity isn't something that I'm willing to die on the sword for. Ideally I'd like to agree with you. My biggest beef isn't so much with sensible people doing sensible things. My concern is if you proactively make a law that specifically allows public nudity and the boundary pushing that will result. One of my earlier posts specifically commented on the need for liberty to be tempered with personal responsibility and morals; no one ever commented on that post. If you could rely on people to "do the right thing", I'd have no problem with it either. That is ultimately my biggest gripe: The ability of a small - but vocal and trend setting minority - to usurp the issue and take their perceived "freedoms" where they shouldn't.
In a lot of ways, it reminds me of a thread in GD from yesterday called something like "Why are some religions protected here and others aren't?" A vast majority of people knew and accepted that following the simple rule of "don't be a jerk" will avoid problems. There are ALWAYS people who push the issue, want clarification, and in the end you're either left with the choice of having it be a free-for-all, or a very restrictive rule that boxes the membership in. BOTD is another good example: You could rely on people to follow common-sense guidelines, but time and again the issue was pushed, and now you end up with an insta-warning if you post a bikini picture; BOTD pics are restricted to their own forum.
I view this argument the same way. The vast majority of us - you, me, fatalerror113 (not so sure about that DanTSX guy ) - can be counted on to not teach nude in public or anything idiotic like that. Peer pressure doesn't work well anymore either; we've become so accustomed to scream "OPPRESSION!" at the merest hint of restraint that it's virtually impossible to shame people into behavior that doesn't damage society. That's my biggest concern. Laws aren't the answer either, so what do we do?Like someone asked me in another thread about how do we end this crazy train of both run away government and crazy people, I don't know. I'm not that smart, and, honestly, I don't think anyone else is either.
We humans are too complicated to deal with stuff like this.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:12:23 PM
It's been legal to walk around New York City topless for some time now. Darn few do, even in summer. It's just not done. Illegal? Our legal system can't have a law for every combination of event and action. Like giving up your seat on the bus to a little old lady most things in life are and should be a no brainer. Nudity fits into that catagory. Nudity at parks and beaches harms no one but old men with issues and jealous overweight women. Do I think most of the people I see during my day should try it? Oh hell no! But it sure shouldn't be illegal. We are in the land of the free after all. |
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fatalerror113
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:18:20 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Sure, in other words, sorta like a free market. One community can say that is not acceptable around here. Lady showing off the boobies can say "darn it". At that time she could try to convince others that she's not doing any harm or just say fuck it and put a top on.
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: Why is it that most folks, when they leave the beach or the pool they put some kind of over cover on? Let me see if I understand you correctly: You are against there being a LAW to prohibit something that social pressure should accomplish on its own. Is that a correct interpretation? At the same time, a person could find themselves in an area that's more open to non-sexual nudity get offended and the inhabitants can say this is how we roll, obviously this has not caused us to descend into the abyss, let us be, or perhaps try it yourself.
But honestly, I'm rather sick of laws and ordinances, though with the current issues we have in this country, public nudity isn't something that I'm willing to die on the sword for. Ideally I'd like to agree with you. My biggest beef isn't so much with sensible people doing sensible things. My concern is if you proactively make a law that specifically allows public nudity and the boundary pushing that will result. One of my earlier posts specifically commented on the need for liberty to be tempered with personal responsibility and morals; no one ever commented on that post. If you could rely on people to "do the right thing", I'd have no problem with it either. That is ultimately my biggest gripe: The ability of a small - but vocal and trend setting minority - to usurp the issue and take their perceived "freedoms" where they shouldn't.
In a lot of ways, it reminds me of a thread in GD from yesterday called something like "Why are some religions protected here and others aren't?" A vast majority of people knew and accepted that following the simple rule of "don't be a jerk" will avoid problems. There are ALWAYS people who push the issue, want clarification, and in the end you're either left with the choice of having it be a free-for-all, or a very restrictive rule that boxes the membership in. BOTD is another good example: You could rely on people to follow common-sense guidelines, but time and again the issue was pushed, and now you end up with an insta-warning if you post a bikini picture; BOTD pics are restricted to their own forum.
I view this argument the same way. The vast majority of us - you, me, fatalerror113 (not so sure about that DanTSX guy ) - can be counted on to not teach nude in public or anything idiotic like that. Peer pressure doesn't work well anymore either; we've become so accustomed to scream "OPPRESSION!" at the merest hint of restraint that it's virtually impossible to shame people into behavior that doesn't damage society. That's my biggest concern. Laws aren't the answer either, so what do we do?If I do become an advocate of public nudity, will that assure me to become famous on arfcom? |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:20:13 PM
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: I think you've hit on something. There seems to be two extremes when dealing with things either "YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME!!!" or "LETS CALL THE COPS OR PASS A LAW!" Like someone asked me in another thread about how do we end this crazy train of both run away government and crazy people, I don't know. I'm not that smart, and, honestly, I don't think anyone else is either.
We humans are too complicated to deal with stuff like this.
Interesting read
Bingo - that link above exactly embodies what I'm talking about. In regards to the two extremes: That is a long running problem that has perverted our legal system as well. Judges used to be able to use common sense to decide punishment. A few screwed up in public cases, and now we're stuck with rigid sentencing guidelines.
There's a difference between a 40 year old guy that rapes a 12 year old, and a 22 year old guy that gets conned by a 16 year old with fake ID's. Not anymore - in the legal world, they're both registered sex offenders for life.
My friend in UT has a son in 5th grade who was defending himself from a bully. Everyone saw it and attested to the self-defense nature of his act, but he was in the police station all the same due to a zero-tolerance policy.
The list is almost endless - all because people can't accept imperfection, or because outlandish behavior forced the community to deal with it another way. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:20:38 PM
Originally Posted By fatalerror113: If I do become an advocate of public nudity, will that assure me to become famous on arfcom? Not with your username. 
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VTHOKIESHOOTER
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:23:39 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER: I think you've hit on something. There seems to be two extremes when dealing with things either "YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME!!!" or "LETS CALL THE COPS OR PASS A LAW!" Like someone asked me in another thread about how do we end this crazy train of both run away government and crazy people, I don't know. I'm not that smart, and, honestly, I don't think anyone else is either.
We humans are too complicated to deal with stuff like this.
Interesting read
Bingo - that link above exactly embodies what I'm talking about. In regards to the two extremes: That is a long running problem that has perverted our legal system as well. Judges used to be able to use common sense to decide punishment. A few screwed up in public cases, and now we're stuck with rigid sentencing guidelines.
There's a difference between a 40 year old guy that rapes a 12 year old, and a 22 year old guy that gets conned by a 16 year old with fake ID's. Not anymore - in the legal world, they're both registered sex offenders for life.
My friend in UT has a son in 5th grade who was defending himself from a bully. Everyone saw it and attested to the self-defense nature of his act, but he was in the police station all the same due to a zero-tolerance policy.
The list is almost endless - all because people can't accept imperfection, or because outlandish behavior forced the community to deal with it another way. Yup. I then there are folks who get nailed for indecent exposure for taking a leak behind a tree. Suddenly they become a sex offender. |
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VTHOKIESHOOTER
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:26:20 PM
Why is graphic violence tolerated in this country, but naked boobies isn't?
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Posted: 7/5/2012 6:29:13 PM
Didn't George Carlin once say that the people who want to run around naked aren't the ones you want to see naked?
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Posted: 7/6/2012 9:21:18 PM
Originally Posted By maleante:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By maleante:
Originally Posted By rcav8r:
If public nudity became legal, I predict you'd only see it in public in private property, beaches, and parks. Basically places where people can spread out and avoid unnecessary contact. In indoor places, you'd want clothing on, esp. in restaurants. FWIW, in America's Hat (canuckistan), women can be topless in public legally. I've seen some VERY UNATTRACTIVE women walking topless down public streets and sidewalks in neighborhoods and in the city. I don't have a problem with nudity of a non-sexual nature in public, but these women were parading themselves for the shock value because they could. If the US ever allowed public nudity, be prepared for its consequences...  What are you talking about? Public nudity is legal in some States to one degree or another. Hell, going topless isn't even against the law in Texas. At least, not by State statute. Some cities/towns might have ordinances against it. I am talking about how in Canada, breasts are legal everywhere and anywhere. In the movie theater, at school, at work, at the grocery store, etc EVERYWHERE due to a federal ruling. Because of the court ruling in Canada, militant women go to extreme lengths to make sure everyone sees their aged, pancake obese breasts. And yes, it is just like the open carry people of California, doing it for the shock value of those around them. While arfcom appears to support the liberty of walking in your birthday suit, arfcom has not been exposed to the militant side of public exposure. Canada in all its supreme liberal-ness is fed up with the militant females exercising their newfound liberty in public. I would dare say that arfcom would get tired of the exposure as well. Militant boobie exposure? My heart bleeds for your poor feelings.  |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 9:56:21 PM
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By maleante:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By maleante:
Originally Posted By rcav8r:
If public nudity became legal, I predict you'd only see it in public in private property, beaches, and parks. Basically places where people can spread out and avoid unnecessary contact. In indoor places, you'd want clothing on, esp. in restaurants. FWIW, in America's Hat (canuckistan), women can be topless in public legally. I've seen some VERY UNATTRACTIVE women walking topless down public streets and sidewalks in neighborhoods and in the city. I don't have a problem with nudity of a non-sexual nature in public, but these women were parading themselves for the shock value because they could. If the US ever allowed public nudity, be prepared for its consequences... What are you talking about? Public nudity is legal in some States to one degree or another. Hell, going topless isn't even against the law in Texas. At least, not by State statute. Some cities/towns might have ordinances against it. I am talking about how in Canada, breasts are legal everywhere and anywhere. In the movie theater, at school, at work, at the grocery store, etc EVERYWHERE due to a federal ruling. Because of the court ruling in Canada, militant women go to extreme lengths to make sure everyone sees their aged, pancake obese breasts. And yes, it is just like the open carry people of California, doing it for the shock value of those around them. While arfcom appears to support the liberty of walking in your birthday suit, arfcom has not been exposed to the militant side of public exposure. Canada in all its supreme liberal-ness is fed up with the militant females exercising their newfound liberty in public. I would dare say that arfcom would get tired of the exposure as well. Militant boobie exposure? My heart bleeds for your poor feelings. You don't want to see it dude. It's like a coven of Chaz Bono clones converging on an otherwise serene and prosperous city. Then taking their shirts off before complementing each other on their lumberjack beards and clambumping cleats. |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 10:23:48 PM
I was in Brattleboro, VT during the nudity uproar. The big problem was a few perverts took advantage of it to be obscene. It was disgusting.
I never saw it but there was what was called "Breast Fest" when nasty dykes would march through town celebrating/demanding their right to show off their hideous tits. |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 10:37:25 PM
Originally Posted By VACaver:
Didn't George Carlin once say that the people who want to run around naked aren't the ones you want to see naked? I agree. Exactly. It should be legal though. Just not looking forward to the 250lb+ chicks I see, in shorts and a tank top 3 sizes too small, walking around naked. The rest of us should have no problem keeping the weight off though. 
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Posted: 7/6/2012 11:35:26 PM
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why do Europeans take a much more relaxed attitude to public nudity compared to Canadians and Americans? No, based on what most people actually look like clothed.  |
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Posted: 7/7/2012 1:22:23 AM
Originally Posted By CRC:
Originally Posted By HighDesert6920:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
I guess his point is that Europe does not descend into mass chaos when people strip down.
Originally Posted By Drakich:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why do Europeans take a much more relaxed attitude to public nudity compared to Canadians and Americans? Because their country wasn't settled by the Puritans. As a matter of fact, this country wasn't "settled" by the Puritans. True, some Puritans settled here, far more people are descended from non-Puritan ancestors. It probably has to do with the fact that America urbanized later than Europe, amongst other reasons. Also, if Europe jumped off a cliff would you jump too? This country if full of people whose ancestors tried to get away from Europe. When I was in the Dominican Republic I watched American ladies strip down without any sort of worry and no one really gave a shit. Of course I enjoyed the view, but again I would have been looking at them even if they had bikinis on. I think if you were to see boobies and privates everywhere all the time - it would start to lose it's "appeal" or "wow factor." After awhile, it would just become like no big deal. Like seeing somebody's elbow or something. I don't really understand why we are so hung up about nudity/semi-nudity in this country. It's OK to have kid's shows with killing and extreme violence, but display a nipple? Oh Dear Mother of God - it's an atrocity! Why is it that very religious people often have the most concern about nudity? They believe that we were created in the image of God, that our bodies are holy temples, but yet nudity is evil, and we should be ashamed of our bodies? I don't get it. It doesn't make sense. That being said - as posters above noted....we probably really don't want to see most people naked...and MOST DEFINITELY not at Walmart. That WOULD Be a crime against humanity. Especially on the first of the month. LOL So public nudity should remain illegal just because YOU don't want to see someone naked? Can we at least treat it as a privilege and not a right? I'm thinking under 30, maybe 35 and a BMI limit. ( I would / should not qualify )
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Posted: 7/7/2012 2:14:51 AM
Nudity in public? smegma, sweaty ass crack, pubic hairs and discharge all over the seats?
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Posted: 7/8/2012 4:45:45 PM
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Why is it that most folks, when they leave the beach or the pool they put some kind of over cover on? Let me see if I understand you correctly: You are against there being a LAW to prohibit something that social pressure should accomplish on its own. Is that a correct interpretation? I think before you argue for the existence of a law, you should be able to state the measurable, objective, demonstrable (fill in your own reasonable adjectives) harm caused by the lack of that law. If we base all of our laws on subjectively defined risks, there will always be a group clamoring for a new, irrational law. |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 12:03:56 AM
Originally Posted By Isenhelm:
Nudity in public? smegma, sweaty ass crack, pubic hairs and discharge all over the seats? No thanks. That is why naturist camps require guests to carry a towel, for sitting or laying on. |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 1:27:32 AM
I'll preface this by saying that I am a Libertarian. The problem with a lot of libertarians is they say that X, Y or Z should be legal, but do not consider that we do not live in a Libertarian society. Drugs for example: I'm all for legalizing them as long as I don't end up paying to support those who choose to screw up their lives. Since we currently have entered into a social contract where there is a "safety net" in place and I'm responsible for paying for all the welfare, free medical care, etc. that a heroin addict incurs, it is appropriate for heroin to be illegal.
Similar, as long as we maintain beaches as public property and taxpayer money is going towards beach maintenance such as beach replenishment, lifeguards and trash collection, I think it is entirely appropriate for there to be reasonable standards of decorum enforced at the local level according to the local custom. On private property, you're free to go topless, all nude but tasteful, or even full nude and not tasteful at all. From a purely personal perspective, all of you that support public nudity because you want to see ome tittays, I've been to topless beaches in France and Italy and it is completely disgusting. 50+ year old pancake boobies with skin that resembles a baseball glove outnumbers the perky young ladies about 10-1. |
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VTHOKIESHOOTER
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:16:33 AM
Originally Posted By qcka: I hear that a lot. So are you similarly prepared for bans on soda, junk food, and risky sports? Under your premise then, government has a right to restrict a whole host of activities that are harmful under the guise that the productive will have to pay for it.
I'll preface this by saying that I am a Libertarian. The problem with a lot of libertarians is they say that X, Y or Z should be legal, but do not consider that we do not live in a Libertarian society. Drugs for example: I'm all for legalizing them as long as I don't end up paying to support those who choose to screw up their lives. Since we currently have entered into a social contract where there is a "safety net" in place and I'm responsible for paying for all the welfare, free medical care, etc. that a heroin addict incurs, it is appropriate for heroin to be illegal. I believe that it's better to allow people to be free, and I'm particularly tired of the usage of "the social contract". A contract is something which you do voluntarily. |
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WhirlyGirl45
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:51:10 AM
Originally Posted By Drakich:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why do Europeans take a much more relaxed attitude to public nudity compared to Canadians and Americans? Because their country wasn't settled by the Puritans. This. But most people look better with clothes on... |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 5:59:53 PM
Originally Posted By Drakich:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why do Europeans take a much more relaxed attitude to public nudity compared to Canadians and Americans? Because their country wasn't settled by the Puritans. Just the thought of seeing Michelle Obama naked would explain why. |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 6:00:48 PM
Mostly just be old fat sweaty people. I voted nope
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Posted: 7/9/2012 6:02:38 PM
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why do Europeans take a much more relaxed attitude to public nudity compared to Canadians and Americans? Because Europe has gone Left Wing Secular Nuts. |
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1Andy2
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Posted: 7/10/2012 9:57:39 AM
Originally Posted By Dragonfly228:
Originally Posted By CRC:
Why do Europeans take a much more relaxed attitude to public nudity compared to Canadians and Americans? Because Europe has gone Left Wing Secular Nuts. Does that make the middle east a bastion of right wing conservatism? |
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Posted: 7/10/2012 9:59:28 AM
Because there are some women that you do not want to see naked.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 10:59:56 AM
I don't really have an issue with public nudity - just the sexuality that comes with perverts running around without close on. I've been around naturalists where nudity was all but divorced from sexuality. Nudity was natural and not perverted. I have also seen the men whacking off in the bushes - The nudity was not the problem, the perverts were.
That said, I have also seen the naturalist screwing in public parks - Don't think that is covered by the fist amendment. Exobitionism is not something I care to partake in. |
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