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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:15:59 AM EDT
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123308296
7/2/2012 - PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. (AFNS) –– At approximately 6 p.m. MDT July 1, a Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System equipped C-130 aircraft supporting firefighting missions crashed in the southwest corner of South Dakota. The aircraft was supporting the efforts against the White Draw Fire. The cause of the crash is not known and the incident is under investigation. There are no details on the status of the aircrew available at this time. MAFFS is a joint DoD and U.S. Forest Service program designed to provide additional aerial firefighting resources when commercial and private airtankers are no longer able to meet the needs of the forest service. MAFFS is a self-contained aerial firefighting system owned by the U.S. Forest Service that can discharge 3,000 gallons of water or fire retardant in less than 5 seconds, covering an area one-quarter of a mile long by 100 feet wide. Once the load is discharged, it can be refilled in less than 12 minutes.  ETA: Mixed reports now, one say the Herk was from Peterson and other saying N. Carolina.... |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:18:36 AM EDT
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Close to us, but we haven't heard anything else, yet.
The fires are bad around here. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:23:32 AM EDT
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The Colorado guys are hoping that one of our own was not aboard. Hoser is a C130 Crew member. And is based at Peterson.
He was on this crew for this news clip. http://www.9news.com/news/article/274975/339/C-130s-responded-to-fire-within-48-hours |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:32:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: The Colorado guys are hoping that one of our own was not aboard. Hoser is a C130 Crew member. And is based at Peterson. He was on this crew for this news clip. http://www.9news.com/news/article/274975/339/C-130s-responded-to-fire-within-48-hours Fuck, I hope he is OK. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:36:11 AM EDT
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Damn. I hope it was just a hard landing or something with survivors.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:39:49 AM EDT
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Looks like they transported 3 crew members to the hospital, I hope that a MAFFS bird is only crewed by 3.
http://www.argusleader.com/viewart/20120702/ARGUS911/307020018/Officials-identify-plane-crashed-Black-Hills-forest-fire?odyssey=mod|lateststories |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:45:44 AM EDT
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Gives me a sick feeling. In for more info.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:00:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: The Colorado guys are hoping that one of our own was not aboard. Hoser is a C130 Crew member. And is based at Peterson. He was on this crew for this news clip. http://www.9news.com/news/article/274975/339/C-130s-responded-to-fire-within-48-hours One of the guys on http://www.ar-15.co said he contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed. "Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest." Thank God. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:31:36 AM EDT
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The Colorado guys are hoping that one of our own was not aboard. Hoser is a C130 Crew member. And is based at Peterson. He was on this crew for this news clip. http://www.9news.com/news/article/274975/339/C-130s-responded-to-fire-within-48-hours One of the guys on http://www.ar-15.co said he contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed. "Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest." Thank God. Are there any North Carolina birds fighting fires out there? |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:38:54 AM EDT
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I heard about this crash after getting home from the Dahl fire. We have lost waaaay to many pilots this summer and don't need to loose any more.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:53:38 AM EDT
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Wow. I hope everyone makes it ok.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:04:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Looks like they transported 3 crew members to the hospital, I hope that a MAFFS bird is only crewed by 3. http://www.argusleader.com/viewart/20120702/ARGUS911/307020018/Officials-identify-plane-crashed-Black-Hills-forest-fire?odyssey=mod|lateststories If they were flying an H variant, there were probably 5 or 6 on-board. For the AF, on those pre-J variants, the minimum crew was Pilot, Co-Pilot, Flight Engineer. They usually fly with those three plus a Navigator and at least one Loadmaster. Hopefully it was a survivable impact and the others are OK. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:09:17 AM EDT
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So far the only confirmation that I can get is that it was a Colorado plane and crew, and that Hoser wasn't on board. Now I worry about the rest of my former squadron mates.
Edited to add: Typically it is a 5 to 6 man crew; sometimes more, if they want instructors on board for any of the positions. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:39:03 AM EDT
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Looks like they transported 3 crew members to the hospital, I hope that a MAFFS bird is only crewed by 3. http://www.argusleader.com/viewart/20120702/ARGUS911/307020018/Officials-identify-plane-crashed-Black-Hills-forest-fire?odyssey=mod|lateststories If they were flying an H variant, there were probably 5 or 6 on-board. For the AF, on those pre-J variants, the minimum crew was Pilot, Co-Pilot, Flight Engineer. They usually fly with those three plus a Navigator and at least one Loadmaster. Hopefully it was a survivable impact and the others are OK.
My son flies a J model at Dyess, they fly with a crew of 3, compared to the normal crew of 5 on the older birds. Do you know if the C-130 AMP modification changes crew size? |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:46:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like they transported 3 crew members to the hospital, I hope that a MAFFS bird is only crewed by 3. http://www.argusleader.com/viewart/20120702/ARGUS911/307020018/Officials-identify-plane-crashed-Black-Hills-forest-fire?odyssey=mod|lateststories If they were flying an H variant, there were probably 5 or 6 on-board. For the AF, on those pre-J variants, the minimum crew was Pilot, Co-Pilot, Flight Engineer. They usually fly with those three plus a Navigator and at least one Loadmaster. Hopefully it was a survivable impact and the others are OK. My son flies a J model at Dyess, they fly with a crew of 3, compared to the normal crew of 5 on the older birds. Do you know if the C-130 AMP modification changes crew size? Don't know - AMP was still in planning stages when I retired. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:47:55 AM EDT
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Looks like they transported 3 crew members to the hospital, I hope that a MAFFS bird is only crewed by 3. http://www.argusleader.com/viewart/20120702/ARGUS911/307020018/Officials-identify-plane-crashed-Black-Hills-forest-fire?odyssey=mod|lateststories If they were flying an H variant, there were probably 5 or 6 on-board. For the AF, on those pre-J variants, the minimum crew was Pilot, Co-Pilot, Flight Engineer. They usually fly with those three plus a Navigator and at least one Loadmaster. Hopefully it was a survivable impact and the others are OK.
My son flies a J model at Dyess, they fly with a crew of 3, compared to the normal crew of 5 on the older birds. Do you know if the C-130 AMP modification changes crew size? Don't know - AMP was still in planning stages when I retired. I inspect a bunch of the parts for the AMP upgrade, but know very little about the big picture on that program. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 8:23:40 AM EDT
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I thought I felt a disturbance in the Force last evening about supper time.
The Ol' Crew Chief |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 8:25:20 AM EDT
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just heard about it here through local channels
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Posted: 7/2/2012 8:27:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Colorado guys are hoping that one of our own was not aboard. Hoser is a C130 Crew member. And is based at Peterson. He was on this crew for this news clip. http://www.9news.com/news/article/274975/339/C-130s-responded-to-fire-within-48-hours One of the guys on http://www.ar-15.co said he contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed. "Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest." Thank God. Are there any North Carolina birds fighting fires out there? Hard to tell seeing how many we have here in the state running fire lines. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 8:37:20 AM EDT
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The Colorado guys are hoping that one of our own was not aboard. Hoser is a C130 Crew member. And is based at Peterson. He was on this crew for this news clip. http://www.9news.com/news/article/274975/339/C-130s-responded-to-fire-within-48-hours One of the guys on http://www.ar-15.co said he contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed. "Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest." Thank God. Are there any North Carolina birds fighting fires out there? Hard to tell seeing how many we have here in the state running fire lines. I found out that the guy I know is in Japan. Either way, I hope everyone is okay. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 10:05:16 AM EDT
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I found out that the earlier report that it was a Colorado bird was incorrect; the plane that went down was a N. Carolina ANG aircraft and crew from Charlotte. It was MAFFS 7 that went down.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 10:13:50 AM EDT
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KOAA is reporting (quoting a Pentagon spokesperson) that the remaining MAFFS birds have been grounded.
http://www.koaa.com/news/all-maffs-grounded-after-c-130-crash-in-south-dakota/ Still haven't seen any reports on status of crew other than what was reported earlier in the thread. Edit - this report from Charlotte - hope it is an error. http://www.wcnc.com/home/C-130-aircraft-crashes-in-South-Dakota-161059375.html |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 10:15:41 AM EDT
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Thoughts and prayers for my airborne brethern to all be safe and sound. "Good landing" and all that.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 10:21:24 AM EDT
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prayers going out for the crew....
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Posted: 7/2/2012 10:24:18 AM EDT
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According to David Eaker of the Great Basin Incident Management Team, six people were aboard.
Article out of ABC 7 in Denver. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31241342/detail.html |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 10:25:48 AM EDT
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Edit: Already addressed earlier in the thread
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Posted: 7/2/2012 10:28:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2012 10:53:34 AM EDT
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Confirmed by the ANG - 6 crewmembers on-board. Still no official word on status of crew.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/c-130-crashes-while-fighting-south-dakota-wildfire/1?csp=34news#.T_HuI7JvAS0 |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 11:11:15 AM EDT
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The Colorado guys are hoping that one of our own was not aboard. Hoser is a C130 Crew member. And is based at Peterson. He was on this crew for this news clip. http://www.9news.com/news/article/274975/339/C-130s-responded-to-fire-within-48-hours One of the guys on http://www.ar-15.co said he contacted the 302nd Airlift Wing and verified that Hoser was NOT aboard the aircraft that crashed. "Hoser did fly last night and is currently on crew rest." Thank God. Are there any North Carolina birds fighting fires out there? Yes, our birds went out a couple of days ago. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 11:31:58 AM EDT
[#29]
Skinny, is that your unit?
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Posted: 7/2/2012 11:34:50 AM EDT
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Damn.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 11:46:05 AM EDT
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Skinny, is that your unit? Naw, I'm Army, but I saw where the guys flying out west were featured on the state's Facebook page. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 11:46:48 AM EDT
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The AF has confirmed there are fatalities, but not releasing any other info at this time. Expected to release status on the casualties "soon". Reported in the 3:13pm update, USA Today article.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/c-130-crashes-while-fighting-south-dakota-wildfire/1?csp=34news#.T_H6JrJvAS0 |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 11:56:42 AM EDT
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The AF has confirmed there are fatalities, but not releasing any other info at this time. Expected to release status on the casualties "soon". Reported in the 3:13pm update, USA Today article. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/c-130-crashes-while-fighting-south-dakota-wildfire/1?csp=34news#.T_H6JrJvAS0 
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Posted: 7/2/2012 12:03:22 PM EDT
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From the local paper.
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/updated-crew-members-aboard-crashed-c––relatives-say-n/article_fca2d11a-c468-11e1-a0b2-001a4bcf887a.html I have contacted my sources here at NG and am waiting to see what I can find out via the back channels. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 12:05:37 PM EDT
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Damn. I hope it was just a hard landing or something with survivors. Seems a lot like that wingbox crack issue from a few years back that we all had to deal with. All the E's had it and some of the earlier H's... |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 12:10:18 PM EDT
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Damn. I hope it was just a hard landing or something with survivors. Seems a lot like that wingbox crack issue from a few years back that we all had to deal with. All the E's had it and some of the earlier H's... Do you have any info about the crash to come up with that? The plane that crashed was an H3. One of the latest built with the unit from Minn having the youngest of the whole H fleet. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 12:13:24 PM EDT
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The AF has confirmed there are fatalities, but not releasing any other info at this time. Expected to release status on the casualties "soon". Reported in the 3:13pm update, USA Today article. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/c-130-crashes-while-fighting-south-dakota-wildfire/1?csp=34news#.T_H6JrJvAS0 FYI there are news articles of one crewmembers name from the Charlotte area. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-south-dakota-plane-crash-20120702,0,2039585.story The family members confirmed they were notified. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 12:28:18 PM EDT
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Damn. I hope it was just a hard landing or something with survivors. Seems a lot like that wingbox crack issue from a few years back that we all had to deal with. All the E's had it and some of the earlier H's... Do you have any info about the crash to come up with that? The plane that crashed was an H3. One of the latest built with the unit from Minn having the youngest of the whole H fleet. I'm reserve, not guard. The 133'rd's 130's are younger than even ours. Back when we had H1/2's and H2's and that E model went down fighting fires, it was the exact same scenario, and we all had to do that NDI inspection that found the stress corrosion. Dropped fire retardant, started climbing out, and lost a wing at the wingbox pressure break. I sincerely hope that wasn't the case, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:06:47 PM EDT
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Lt. Col. Robert Carver, a spokesman with the North Carolina National Guard –– which operated the plane that went down –– said "about three dozen" aircraft are affected by the Air Force order, out of hundreds of C-130s total in operation throughout the world.
While he did not specify the number or nature of casualties, Carver did say some North Carolina Air National Guard members died and others suffered serious injuries when their C-130 tanker crashed around 6:30 p.m. MT (8:30 p.m. ET). http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/south-dakota-air-tanker-crash/index.html
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:14:33 PM EDT
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Damn. I hope it was just a hard landing or something with survivors. Seems a lot like that wingbox crack issue from a few years back that we all had to deal with. All the E's had it and some of the earlier H's... Do you have any info about the crash to come up with that? The plane that crashed was an H3. One of the latest built with the unit from Minn having the youngest of the whole H fleet. I'm reserve, not guard. The 133'rd's 130's are younger than even ours. Back when we had H1/2's and H2's and that E model went down fighting fires, it was the exact same scenario, and we all had to do that NDI inspection that found the stress corrosion. Dropped fire retardant, started climbing out, and lost a wing at the wingbox pressure break. I sincerely hope that wasn't the case, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Yeah I know people from both units. Flown planes at both units. What are you guys flying now? I'm assuming all the E's are gone. You'll have to refresh my memory when the last E model went down fire fighting. I'm drawing a blank. And in regards to this crash I seriously doubt they lost a wing and had survivors. Sounds more like they had an uncontrolled impact with the ground or a partially controlled one. As of now I haven't seen anything to even indicate what has happened. Malfunction? Sometimes these guys fly into some pretty hazardous terrain. The H models have made this less hazardous due to increased engine output but some of them can still be hairy. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:18:42 PM EDT
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Very unfortunate. Every time I see those things running fires, I think of this and cringe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGSwWVh5TAI |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:26:31 PM EDT
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Very unfortunate. Every time I see those things running fires, I think of this and cringe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGSwWVh5TAI That was a very old Herk and not operated by the military. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:28:28 PM EDT
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I heard that the "front ender's" were not among the survivors.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:30:05 PM EDT
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That sucks... I probably know those guys, and I have probably been on that plane during a Peterson airplane tour.
Prayers. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:36:24 PM EDT
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From the USAF Loadmasters Facebook page:
"For all of you current and prior MAFFS guys and all loads out there that haven't heard the sad news- MAFFS 7 went down yesterday evening fighting fires. The front Enders didn't make it out and the loadmasters were brought to the ICU last night. I'm not sure of their condition as of right now."
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:39:03 PM EDT
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Very unfortunate. Every time I see those things running fires, I think of this and cringe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGSwWVh5TAI That was a very old Herk and not operated by the military. Understood. It's still just something that comes to mind when I think about the stresses put on those planes. Spar failure is a hell of a thing. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:41:07 PM EDT
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From the USAF Loadmasters Facebook page: "For all of you current and prior MAFFS guys and all loads out there that haven't heard the sad news- MAFFS 7 went down yesterday evening fighting fires. The front Enders didn't make it out and the loadmasters were brought to the ICU last night. I'm not sure of their condition as of right now." I've flown with that unit back in the 90's quite a bit. Probably know some of the front enders. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:44:09 PM EDT
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Here's a little more info about possible causes of crash:
http://wildfiretoday.com/2012/07/02/update-on-maffs-air-tanker-crash/ Of note A BLM ASM [Air Supervision Module] platform was also engaged as a lead [plane] with the C130 when the accident occurred. The ASM/Lead experienced a severe downdraft while approaching the intended retardant drop zone with the C130 in trail. This is being investigated by the USFS as a separate Incident With Potential. The C-130s usually follow a lead aircraft that is directing the retardant drop. If they had a severe downdraft this is one possible explanation for controlled flight into terrain. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 3:04:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The AF has confirmed there are fatalities, but not releasing any other info at this time. Expected to release status on the casualties "soon". Reported in the 3:13pm update, USA Today article. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/c-130-crashes-while-fighting-south-dakota-wildfire/1?csp=34news#.T_H6JrJvAS0 FYI there are news articles of one crewmembers name from the Charlotte area. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-south-dakota-plane-crash-20120702,0,2039585.story The family members confirmed they were notified. Yeah. Saw that, and it was in a link I posted earlier. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 3:07:57 PM EDT
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I was hoping we could keep the speculation away as to the cause of the crash. There are many variables involved that could be the cause, and we won't know for sure until the investigation is completed.
I hope the survivors all pull through and make a full recovery. |
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