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Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.
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I thought at the time there was a Dem majority in both houses. The first two years of O's Administration.

I'm certain there was because Pelosi was speaker, and Harry Reid was Majority leader in the Senate.

Consequences, elections have them. Bush and the R's pissed away a great opportunity in 8 years. I don't hate George W, but he fucked us in several ways.
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The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"
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look up that idiot snow and you'll know everything....
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Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.
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Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.


Weren't you paying attention?

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Openly bribed congress with cornhusker kickback and such.
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The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"

Which Republicans voted for it? Refresh my memory.


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Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.


This.
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Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.


Olympia Snowe allowed it to get out of committee.

There were only 39 Republicans in the Seneate - Republicans couldn't do a filibuster.

Scott Brown was elected too late.
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The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


Tell me more................
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"

Which Republicans voted for it? Refresh my memory.



Snowe voted for it in committee, which brought it to the floor.
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Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


This is a fucking ridiculously uninformed statement. Why do some of you feel the need to open your bullshit dispensers?

The GOP did stand up. The Dems used the "Nuclear Option." This shit was all over the news.

Seriously, what in the living fuck? Who turns on your computer?
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Its what happens with Democrat majorities. Since they are sheeple by ideology, they just follow along what the Obama said and didn't question it. They were all so in awe of the Obama that few had the courage to oppose anything he wanted at the time.
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Sped out of committee.

Bill was being added to in the middle of the night.

Cornhucker Kickback.

Rammed through Senate with no debate.

Simple majority (change in rules at the time) to allow easier passage.

Obama signs with poor kid who's mother died... while on Medicare.

Tyranny one step closer due to government intrusion into private commerce, restricting student loans, and a slew of other provisions that no onese got to see becuase they were "deemed and passed" in a committee sessions and tacked onto the bill.

And plenty in the GOP stood up against the bill and the nation protested. Suggest you look up "Obamacare protests 2009"
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look up that idiot snow and you'll know everything....


Snow voted against it. Why do you not know this? How can you be so ill-informed?

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Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"

Which Republicans voted for it? Refresh my memory.



Snowe voted for it in committee, which brought it to the floor.


She had no ability to stop it in committee. It passed by a 14-9 vote. The only place to stop it would have been on the floor.

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Posted: 6/27/2012 9:59:23 AM
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.


Weren't you paying attention?



Only to whether it passed and how my congressmen voted on it. I seem now to remember something about it being "deemed passed," though I don't recall which house that was.
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Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.


In the Senate:

58 Dems and 2 Independants voted for it.

1 GOP guy (Bunning -KY) did not vote. I don't know why.

39 GOP nay votes (all but the KY guy)

Reid had the 60 votes.

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Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.


Weren't you paying attention?



Only to whether it passed and how my congressmen voted on it. I seem now to remember something about it being "deemed passed," though I don't recall which house that was.


That can only be done in the House and it traditionally had been for minor measures such as renaming a post office or a small bill that has no real opposition. But Pelosi was talking about using it as a tactic because she realized she was losing votes fast during the run up to the vote. Its also why she and the rest of the socialists losts in 2010.

I don't fault you for not paying attention. That summer is when many of Americans woke up to politics and what happens in Washington for the first time.

And yes "death panels" are real. Justed named something along the lines of "Medicare Review Boards"
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.


Weren't you paying attention?



I don't even remember what I ate for lunch a week ago.
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The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"

Choke yourself.
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corn husker kickback -> google it.
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Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.

Some dems even voted against it, and Reid selected who was allowed to
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Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


This is a fucking ridiculously uninformed statement. Why do some of you feel the need to open your bullshit dispensers?

The GOP did stand up. The Dems used the "Nuclear Option." This shit was all over the news.

Seriously, what in the living fuck? Who turns on your computer?

scary ins't it?
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Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


Most Republicans stood up to it. You sound like a Paulbot
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They cheated.
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Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


The gutless repubs didn't have the numbers to defeat it but don't let me spoil your rant....
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RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.
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Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.
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Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.

"Deem and pass".

They took an already passed Bill, gutted it, re-added in the Obamacare statutes, and let Zero sign it.

Original bill was an Education bill if I remember correctly.

And yes, we should have marched on DC and started hanging people for this.

We didn't. Amerikan Idle is on...
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The Democratic Party told all its members that if they didn't vote for it they would no longer get Party support. For the D's that were comfortable enough to say FO, they keep putting in things to buy their votes like the Cornhusker crap; that's why its 2,700 pages and totally incomprehensible.

There was no way for the Republicans to stop it as the Democrats had the 60 votes required to stop any filibuster. In the house the Democrats were in a very clear majority following the 2006 elections.
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Originally Posted By ATLDiver:
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


The gutless repubs didn't have the numbers to defeat it but don't let me spoil your rant....


Um, false.

We had the votes to kill that fucker in committee.

But one of our RINO's showed her liberal colors and voted with the Dems. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html

Again, RINOs give you "apparent' majorities and, if you're in the minority, you might want to count them as part of your filibuster count. Its a fool's errand to do so. They vote nominally "R" on some issues, they attend the caucuses (feeding strategy points to the other side), and they suck up "R" dollars for election campaigns, but on the great and weighty issues of the day, they vote with the enemy.

ETA: Better link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28235.html
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Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.


Would have died in committee but for one of the RINOs. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html

ETA: Better link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28235.html

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As I recall, wasn't this the bill they "had to pass to find out what was in it?"
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Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


As usual, you try to sound as if you know what you are talking about, but NOTHING in your post is close to the reality of this situation. Not one thing. Your Moby schtick is getting to be downright ridiculous––and highly transparent.
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Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.


Would have died in committee but for one of the RINOs. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html


The vote would have been 13-10 to get it out of committee if Snowe voted no. It would still have gotten out of the committee.

When put to a full Senate vote, Snowe voted against it.
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Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.

RIF, some of us can't

No Repubs and some dems were allowed not to
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Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.


Would have died in committee but for one of the RINOs. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html

ETA: Better link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28235.html



Except you're lying. The vote was 14-9.

'Why are you lying' is the question. I know the answer.

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Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


The gutless repubs didn't have the numbers to defeat it but don't let me spoil your rant....


Um, false.

We had the votes to kill that fucker in committee.

But one of our RINO's showed her liberal colors and voted with the Dems. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html

Again, RINOs give you "apparent' majorities and, if you're in the minority, you might want to count them as part of your filibuster count. Its a fool's errand to do so. They vote nominally "R" on some issues, they attend the caucuses (feeding strategy points to the other side), and they suck up "R" dollars for election campaigns, but on the great and weighty issues of the day, they vote with the enemy.

ETA: Better link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28235.html


Your link says no such thing. As usual, you bash Republicans with complete nonsense––

Snowe could provide the 60th vote that may be needed for Democrats to overcome a GOP filibuster on the Senate floor.



That's not how it played out and her vote did nothing to help it pass. It's funny you don't rant about the near 100% Dem votes for this debacle. Moby much?
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Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.


Would have died in committee but for one of the RINOs. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html

ETA: Better link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28235.html



So her vote allowed it to pass out of committee? On a 14-9 vote?

Oh, and did you read the post above which says what ended up as Obamacare began as an education bill when passed from committee? I don't recall if that's correct or not, but things are occasionally done using that kind of chicanery.

Again––Moby much?
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There were many promises made to Senators that questionable sections would be repaired when the joint bill came back for final vote. That is, the first Senate version is almost always different than the first house version, a joint comittee hammers out the differences, and a compromise version would go back to both floors for final vote, since both houses have to pass the exact same bill for it to move on to the president.

Then Kennedy died, and they no longer would be able to pass it on the second go. So people watched in horror as the Democrats plowed the flawed Senate bill through the house. It was one of the more disgusting political plays I've seen in a while. And the thought of all the games, and the underhanded soul selling ending up for naught tomorrow fills me with a sense of justice.
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Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:

..................

Except you're lying. The vote was 14-9.

'Why are you lying' is the question. I know the answer.



I don't know the answer.

Why is he spouting off wrong information?

ETA: Nevermind, you indicated he is a Ron Paul supporter. Nuff said.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 10:35:13 AM
Didn't Arlen Specter change parties and vote for it, giving the commies 60.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 10:38:56 AM
Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:

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Except you're lying. The vote was 14-9.

'Why are you lying' is the question. I know the answer.



I don't know the answer.

Why is he spouting off wrong information?

ETA: Nevermind, you indicated he is a Ron Paul supporter. Nuff said.


He's not a Paul supporter. His posts here are on two subjects: Bashing Republicans and bashing the NRA. Both with false information. Do the math.
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