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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:44:07 AM EDT
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:45:03 AM EDT
In before "Here, let me google that for you."
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:45:06 AM EDT
Vote first, read later.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:45:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 5:47:39 AM EDT by Hugo_Stiglitz]
I thought at the time there was a Dem majority in both houses. The first two years of O's Administration.

I'm certain there was because Pelosi was speaker, and Harry Reid was Majority leader in the Senate.

Consequences, elections have them. Bush and the R's pissed away a great opportunity in 8 years. I don't hate George W, but he fucked us in several ways.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:46:01 AM EDT
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:46:23 AM EDT
look up that idiot snow and you'll know everything....
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:48:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:49:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.


Weren't you paying attention?

Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:50:00 AM EDT
Openly bribed congress with cornhusker kickback and such.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:50:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"

Which Republicans voted for it? Refresh my memory.


Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:51:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.


This.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:51:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.


Olympia Snowe allowed it to get out of committee.

There were only 39 Republicans in the Seneate - Republicans couldn't do a filibuster.

Scott Brown was elected too late.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:51:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


Tell me more................
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:52:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"

Which Republicans voted for it? Refresh my memory.



Snowe voted for it in committee, which brought it to the floor.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:53:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


This is a fucking ridiculously uninformed statement. Why do some of you feel the need to open your bullshit dispensers?

The GOP did stand up. The Dems used the "Nuclear Option." This shit was all over the news.

Seriously, what in the living fuck? Who turns on your computer?
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:53:36 AM EDT
Its what happens with Democrat majorities. Since they are sheeple by ideology, they just follow along what the Obama said and didn't question it. They were all so in awe of the Obama that few had the courage to oppose anything he wanted at the time.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:54:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 5:56:46 AM EDT by kudzu630]
Sped out of committee.

Bill was being added to in the middle of the night.

Cornhucker Kickback.

Rammed through Senate with no debate.

Simple majority (change in rules at the time) to allow easier passage.

Obama signs with poor kid who's mother died... while on Medicare.

Tyranny one step closer due to government intrusion into private commerce, restricting student loans, and a slew of other provisions that no onese got to see becuase they were "deemed and passed" in a committee sessions and tacked onto the bill.

And plenty in the GOP stood up against the bill and the nation protested. Suggest you look up "Obamacare protests 2009"
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:54:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Markbb:
look up that idiot snow and you'll know everything....


Snow voted against it. Why do you not know this? How can you be so ill-informed?

Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:55:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 5:59:34 AM EDT by Cincinnatus]
Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"

Which Republicans voted for it? Refresh my memory.



Snowe voted for it in committee, which brought it to the floor.


She had no ability to stop it in committee. It passed by a 14-9 vote. The only place to stop it would have been on the floor.

Link Posted: 6/27/2012 5:59:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.


Weren't you paying attention?



Only to whether it passed and how my congressmen voted on it. I seem now to remember something about it being "deemed passed," though I don't recall which house that was.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:01:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 6:03:16 AM EDT by 1srelluc]
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.


In the Senate:

58 Dems and 2 Independants voted for it.

1 GOP guy (Bunning -KY) did not vote. I don't know why.

39 GOP nay votes (all but the KY guy)

Reid had the 60 votes.

Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:01:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.


Weren't you paying attention?



Only to whether it passed and how my congressmen voted on it. I seem now to remember something about it being "deemed passed," though I don't recall which house that was.


That can only be done in the House and it traditionally had been for minor measures such as renaming a post office or a small bill that has no real opposition. But Pelosi was talking about using it as a tactic because she realized she was losing votes fast during the run up to the vote. Its also why she and the rest of the socialists losts in 2010.

I don't fault you for not paying attention. That summer is when many of Americans woke up to politics and what happens in Washington for the first time.

And yes "death panels" are real. Justed named something along the lines of "Medicare Review Boards"
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:02:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Why wasn't it killed by filibuster or otherwise? My memory is not good for that sort of thing, but it seems to me that at least a few (R)s had to play turncoat for it to pass.


Weren't you paying attention?



I don't even remember what I ate for lunch a week ago.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:05:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"

Choke yourself.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:06:59 AM EDT
corn husker kickback -> google it.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:07:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.

Some dems even voted against it, and Reid selected who was allowed to
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:09:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


This is a fucking ridiculously uninformed statement. Why do some of you feel the need to open your bullshit dispensers?

The GOP did stand up. The Dems used the "Nuclear Option." This shit was all over the news.

Seriously, what in the living fuck? Who turns on your computer?

scary ins't it?
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:09:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 6:11:07 AM EDT by WildBoar]
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


Most Republicans stood up to it. You sound like a Paulbot
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:09:55 AM EDT
They cheated.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:11:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


The gutless repubs didn't have the numbers to defeat it but don't let me spoil your rant....
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:11:54 AM EDT
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:13:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By IslandVobra:
They cheated.


Negative....They bent the rules to their favor. There is a lesson to be learned there. There is no "high road" in national politics and the sooner the GOP discovers that the better......I think they have.

Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:15:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 6:16:14 AM EDT by RDak]
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:17:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Reid changed the rules to allow it to pass with a simple majority ("Nuclear Option"). No "gutless Republicans" were culpable as the know-nothings claim.

"Deem and pass".

They took an already passed Bill, gutted it, re-added in the Obamacare statutes, and let Zero sign it.

Original bill was an Education bill if I remember correctly.

And yes, we should have marched on DC and started hanging people for this.

We didn't. Amerikan Idle is on...
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:19:44 AM EDT
The Democratic Party told all its members that if they didn't vote for it they would no longer get Party support. For the D's that were comfortable enough to say FO, they keep putting in things to buy their votes like the Cornhusker crap; that's why its 2,700 pages and totally incomprehensible.

There was no way for the Republicans to stop it as the Democrats had the 60 votes required to stop any filibuster. In the house the Democrats were in a very clear majority following the 2006 elections.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:20:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 6:24:36 AM EDT by NagOrzo15-1]
Originally Posted By ATLDiver:
Originally Posted By Marcbme:
The gutless republicans (and a few democrats who hated it too) refused to stand up to the "great one"


The gutless repubs didn't have the numbers to defeat it but don't let me spoil your rant....


Um, false.

We had the votes to kill that fucker in committee.

But one of our RINO's showed her liberal colors and voted with the Dems. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html

Again, RINOs give you "apparent' majorities and, if you're in the minority, you might want to count them as part of your filibuster count. Its a fool's errand to do so. They vote nominally "R" on some issues, they attend the caucuses (feeding strategy points to the other side), and they suck up "R" dollars for election campaigns, but on the great and weighty issues of the day, they vote with the enemy.

ETA: Better link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28235.html
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:20:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
corn husker kickback, Louisiana Purchase -> google it.


Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:21:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 6:24:19 AM EDT by NagOrzo15-1]
Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.


Would have died in committee but for one of the RINOs. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html

ETA: Better link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28235.html

Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:22:30 AM EDT
Congress is an illusion and a deception. Damn kleptomaniacs that's all they are.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:22:45 AM EDT
As I recall, wasn't this the bill they "had to pass to find out what was in it?"
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:23:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:24:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.


Would have died in committee but for one of the RINOs. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html


The vote would have been 13-10 to get it out of committee if Snowe voted no. It would still have gotten out of the committee.

When put to a full Senate vote, Snowe voted against it.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:24:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.

RIF, some of us can't

No Repubs and some dems were allowed not to
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:26:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 6:26:47 AM EDT by THR-Thumper]
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By NagOrzo15-1:
RINOs.

They give you theoretical majorities and theoretical filibuster power.

But when the chips are down, they go and vote with the enemy.

Simple as that.


Not one single Republican in the Senate voted for Obamacare.

Reid changed the rules to get this passed. He voided any chance for a filibuster.


Would have died in committee but for one of the RINOs. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1926005,00.html

ETA: Better link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28235.html



Except you're lying. The vote was 14-9.

'Why are you lying' is the question. I know the answer.

Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:27:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:31:08 AM EDT
He has to convince the dimwitted to vote 3rd party. Remember kids, there's no difference between the R's and the D's. Trey Gowdy and Holder have beers together after F and F hearings.

Fuckin' 'tards.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:32:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:32:07 AM EDT
There were many promises made to Senators that questionable sections would be repaired when the joint bill came back for final vote. That is, the first Senate version is almost always different than the first house version, a joint comittee hammers out the differences, and a compromise version would go back to both floors for final vote, since both houses have to pass the exact same bill for it to move on to the president.

Then Kennedy died, and they no longer would be able to pass it on the second go. So people watched in horror as the Democrats plowed the flawed Senate bill through the house. It was one of the more disgusting political plays I've seen in a while. And the thought of all the games, and the underhanded soul selling ending up for naught tomorrow fills me with a sense of justice.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:34:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 6:35:10 AM EDT by RDak]
Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:

..................

Except you're lying. The vote was 14-9.

'Why are you lying' is the question. I know the answer.



I don't know the answer.

Why is he spouting off wrong information?

ETA: Nevermind, you indicated he is a Ron Paul supporter. Nuff said.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:35:13 AM EDT
Didn't Arlen Specter change parties and vote for it, giving the commies 60.
Link Posted: 6/27/2012 6:38:56 AM EDT
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