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The already stagnant economy would take a significant hit due to the influx of people searching for employment and their lack of income(though unearned and at the cost of massively increased public debt). People forget that many American companies receive that money.

I'm not saying I like entitlement programs(I find their widespread abuse and the principles behind their existence appalling) but as a realist I know that there is no painless solution to ending them. The best time to massively cut the programs would be during an economic boom but the ignorant masses and politicians do the opposite.

The way it looks we will have to wait a long time for that boom, look at Japan. They are starting their second lost decade.

It does look that way. And those problems have to do with the government's domestic (over-)involvement as well.

Go figure......

Thank LBJ for this war on poverty. Since it started in the 60's the poverty levels have remained flat for 45 years. The has been fraud since day 1.  The "poor" in this country have color tv ,a cell phone, car , place to live and are fat.

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There is no neutrality all law is religious, the issue has never been faith vs non-faith, but which faith produces freedom and justice.  Which faith secures and protects inalienable rights and draws a demarcation line where civil government has no jurisdiction and man is free from coercive restraint and allowed to grow and mature.  The American creed presupposed a fully orbed Christian ethic, it drew this demarcation line and it produced both freedom and justice, it is the displacement of that faith with a statist and humanistic creed that has been destroying freedom and establishing injustice by claiming total jurisdiction under the lie that it's faith is not religious attempting to sequester truth in some private sphere.  I will defend your right to deny Christianity and assert your faith privately, but not publicly.  What you demand, I nor any American has liberty to do, Christianity is the established ethical system of our laws and we cannot, lest we become Traitors, sequester it to a private realm.  You, however, have that liberty since your faith is not established, or at least not legitimately established.  Hence, I will defend your liberty to fulfill your demands on your own - but don't bring your faith into the political sphere, as you have no right to recognition at all.  Only Christianity can allow religious tolerance because only Christianity is Trinitarian providing the theological means to assert that the civil government is a limited law sphere; all other religions assert total jurisdiction over life leaving no area not claimed by civil government.  Hence, you have freedom and liberty to disbelieve, not subvert.

It's important to understand, though, that our social problems surrounding welfarism are not rooted in classes - hence warring against the welfare recipient himself is wrong, the problem is rooted in a statist faith that civil government is not a limited law sphere with a certain and specified jurisdiction as a minister of justice; rather, that civil government is a force of power to displace God and predestinate man.  It is explicitly religious and violative of our First Amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion; it has no power to displace the established religion of Christianity and that includes establishing the Federal government and politics as a religion.

American politics in order to sustain Constitutionality must remain independent of non-Christian faiths otherwise it is an illegality of the highest order.  Hence, modern liberalism since it is both hostile to Christianity and works to displace it with its humanistic faith and establish a political religion, properly understanding our Constitution, is unlawful activity.  It is subversive activity and treason masquerading and disguising itself under a political umbrella.



In our country property was the means of determining the elective franchise, not citizenship.  A Marxist ideology has displaced that, it is a recent invention derived from the shift away from Constitutionalism and its protection of inequality and its displacement with equalitarianism.  Karl Marx said it best when he said, paraphrasing from memory, " have we not destroyed private property when we allow the non-owner to vote himself money from the owner?"  The answer is yes, this is why the Founders and the several States all secured the elective franchise to landowners.

Our system was laid upon freedom where every man had the liberty to work, to enjoy the fruits of his labor and become vested in the social order by acquiring property and then taking part in the political process.   It is an earned privilege.  Freedom is a birthright of every American, not politics - politics is a realm for mature, stable, self-sufficient men to maintain domestic tranquility through the ministry of justice.  We have lost our freedom precisely because of what you are espousing, a hostile doctrine rooted in Marxist equalitarian doctrine that politics is a birthright.  This is foreign to the American system of civil government and it is wrong.



Then your only option is the total State and the coercion of faith in that total State, we simply cannot have freedom based upon your beliefs.  We have right now precisely what your beliefs require.




I would add that the Great Depression never ended, it was simply repressed with the further expansion of an inflationary economy.  Hence, separating these things fails to recognize the root problem, the displacement of economics with politics and the political usurparation of money.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The last time there was wide spread rioting in the US was in the mid '60s. It peaked in the spring of '68 when MLK was shot.
Wide spread rioting scares the hell out of urban and suburban residents alike. They demand that Congress "DO SOMETHING!!!!!".
In '68 Congress responded to the calls to act by passing the Gun Control Act of 1968.  

The prospect of more Fedgov "gun control" legislation seems like a very large downside to me.

Margaret Thatcher once said " Socialism is aweome until you run out of money".

Doesn;t Walmart keep China busy?

If what keeps their neighborhoods unburnt is the threat of defenders packing battle rifles, I fail to see how it follows. (Dad grew up at that time, in an Irish section of Philadelphia––grampa was ready to let his M1 do some talking if the black community decided that burning down their own neighborhood wouldnt quite cut it. )

As far as what got banned and when, it seems like assassinations had more to do with restrictions than rioting.

The memberships choices of history that they choose to recall is sometimes limited and one-sided.



I believe he is talking about peoples jobs at the retail end.

If the rest of the country is anything like around here, there are not even close to enough jobs available if all those on welfare had to find a job.

I honestly don't know what cutting it off cold turkey would do. I'm guessing an increase in crime, theft/burglary first, armed robbery, and murder. Some rioting , more flash mob type shit. Not much impact in the job market, we're talking about people who are not very hireable in the first place. More realistically I think welfare would have to be tapered down gradually. First get after the fraud and blatant abuse, then work time limits in on how long they can draw.

I think we all agree that it needs to be done away with, this (no matter how it is done) is what is dragging our economy down it is destroying our country. You can not have a successful, viable economy with a permanent underclass that sucks the wealth out of the country while producing nothing but the next generation of leeches. Effectively we, the producers are being forced to work to support others, and we all know what that is. Of course maybe that was the plan all along.

There has always been a permanent underclass. Back in the day many cities had the shanties and shacks of the underclass at the edge of town. Smaller towns had a place "across the tracks" where the less desireable " folks lived. There were parts of major cities that were so criminally minded that LEOs wouldn't enter them.

Before you end modern welfare programs, you're going to need to answer the concerns of the general population on what your plan is to help the people who currently draw. telling them the program is over and they are on their own wont fly. So....whats your plan?

And while you're at it, whats your plan for ending modern corporate welfare, since your concern is the pocketbook of the average citizen?

Welfare comes in many forms.  

Farm Subsidies

Renewable Fuel Standards

Fossil and Renewable Fuels

Clearly ypu weren't around. I was. I've learned from real history. You've been sold a load of bullshit. Since you haven't learned history, you can't learn from it. Thus you are doomed to repeat it.
The average citizen does not become scared when a politician (even the President) is shot. Case in point: Congresswoman Giffords. Did anyone you know become afraid that they might be shot because she was?
The average citizen is scared shitless when large numbers of people begin burning, looting and shooting. Imagine that!

If wide spread civil disorder were to happen again, the reaction will be worse, much worse. Take a trip to a major city. Check out how close some really nice neighborhoods are to some really bad ones. If the bad ones burn, you can be damned sure the residents of the nice ones will scream. Plenty of others who live farther away will too.
Congress will hear them. There will be plenty of people to peddle "gun control" as the solution.

Be careful what you wish for.

A shitload of people would be throwing away their crutches/canes/wheelchairs and neck braces in order to protest, kick middle class ass, whine, piss and moan and cry rivers of tears. For a lot of them it would be the first time they experienced sweating, worrying about their next freebie and wondering whose tit they can suck on next.

Oh my...the noes&woes of it all.

End corporate welfare also. There should be no dependence on the government. Those who state that there should be no money taken to benifit others are correct. So lets wean all off the government teat.

Yep. Them too.

We know the response, lets do it.

To the general population:  Charity, when given from the free will of the individual is a noble endeavor.  If YOU want to give a charitable donation to those YOU deem worthy of YOUR efforts, please feel free to continue.  If YOU don't believe YOU are receiving enough charity, tough shit.  Start chewing.

to be forced to contribute is slavery.

Is it?  Seems to me you can choose not to contribute (if you happen to be one of the 50% who actually contribute, and the IRS may frown on that) or you could renounce your citizenship and move elsewhere.

So, can we please tone down the hysteria here?

Don't need to cut it.  Just bring all the levels back to 2008 values.

And eliminate base line budgeting.

We already know you like free stuff.  

In a short time someone would say "so and so is in dire straits but is not covered for some reason so we need to expand thh program a little bit" then the dirt bags would learn how to game the system and the bureaucrats would work on expanding their empires.

Before you know it we will be right back here. Anytime you are spending someone else's money it is real easy to spend a little more. The government should not be in the charity business AT ALL!

To answer the question if you just shut off the tap tomorrow arfcommers would rapidly run out of ammo and need new barrels.

How bout .gov assistance requires the able bodied to go fill pot holes, pick up trash, do whatever other menial jobs the .gov could fill with untrained workers at the local level and require a piss test for all of them.  They could have one mother out of every 10 on welfare be nanny to a group so the other "parents" can go work.  Make um earn the money, and the problem will disappear...

You know only what the voices in your head tell you.

I remember you clamoring for free contraceptives.  People remember things posted on the Internet.

The only true peaceful fix I can see is to require anyone receiving any kind of welfare or aid to go on mandatory birth control and wait 60 years to ween them off.

That, of course, won't be allowed so we will have to do this the hard way.

f it

Like I said...

We had a discussion about Walmart offering contraceptives for cheap, and you were whining about wanting free stuff.

I love it when people get caught being hypocritical.  Pay for your own stuff, ok?

RIF.  

And with that, welcome to ignore.

I guess you got told. as if it matters.

You won't see this, but in the future you should think before you post.  People just might remember what you posted and call you on it in the future.

Yeah, it stings a bit when you get caught saying one thing and then another later on.  Putting your fingers in your ears and yelling LAH LAH LAH works, I guess.

I can tell you're all shook up bout it.

We know what the problem is,  the threat of retaliation of violence if we cut off the freebies, we've been rolled by those who are supposed to serve us. They have sold us out for votes and we've let them. The very attitude that they showed during the non debate over health care exhibited what the political class really feels about us. The only thing separating us from what is going on in Greece is the size of our economy and how varied it is. The Freebees are killing us.  our current administration and the previous ones since WWII have done everything they can to bankrupt this country. Whether it is gradual or it happens immediately we have to return to an economy that is not government driven, adulterated, held back, or restricted by governmental regulations or spending. The main driver of healthcare prices, food prices, gas prices, and just about everything else is the government fucking with them.

Was SN whining for free stuff or was she advocating that the insurance paid for by GU students offer the same coverage as that GU makes available to its employees?  Because I don't recall one person in any of the hundred pages of those threads "whining about wanting free stuff".  That was just a bunch of Limbaugh bullshit to whip up hysteria among the faithful and boost his ratings.

Jane

Much more likely that an escaped Chinese bioweapon unleashes the Zombie Apocalypse.

I remember it differently.  And the GU student turned out to be a democrat party plant.  And the cost figures she was bantying around were false.  Walmart, CVS, Osco all offer discount programs.

Political theater.  And some fall for it.


Edit:  Everyone believes in freedom until their sacred ox gets gored...

Hell there's already over nine million people getting social security disability payments.