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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:31:33 PM
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
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There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. "too many unknowns" means no arrest or trial under Florida Law, why is that so hard to grasp for some people? What's being done to Zimmerman, absent of any substantial, credible, evidence to contradict his version of events, is a travesty and a disgrace as well as contrary to the Florida Satutes. My chest is held shut with titanium wire; I couldn't duke it out with a 17 year old high school athlete and hope to walk away with it. The corollary is also true. "Too Many Unknowns" mean he gets arrested no matter what and the DA reviews the evidence and decides if they will charge him. Obviously they feel they have a case so all that no arrest no trial is wishful thinking. Zimmerman still killed an unarmed 17 year old kid. Thats the bottom line. Its hard for a lot of people to grasp that no matter what the circumstances were. Especially since the media has made it racial. Your situation is obviously different that GZ. He doesn't have any titanium wire in his chest. I don't believe GZ is 100% inncocent. Does he deserve a manslaughter charge i don't really think so but he is at fault somewhere in this case. Like i said before his fate is in the hands of a jury. You are confusing the way the Florida self defense statutes are written and they way you would have liked them to be written. When you grow old and retire; please keep in mind that there are some fine looking retirement committees being built right next door in New Jersey. Im not confusing anything. You've already decided the fate of the case without knowing all the evidence. Thats pretty silly. Don't worry Flordia is the last place id want to be. The sun is frying brains over there at a very rapid pace. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:32:06 PM
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. I am a big dude, but I only have one arm that would be useful defensively. My other has a torn up joint. I have seen lots of 17 year old kids that could fuck up my day. I'm a little dude, I'm 5' 10" and about 165lbs. A little smaller than George Zimmerman at the time of the attack. I would be very hard pressed in defending myself from someone Trayvon's size, I believe reports put him at 6' 1"-2" and 160ish. That's 3-4" of height and 1-3" of extra arm length on me. Leverage goes a long way. Plus you are forgetting the first rule of a fight, surprise IS king. Trayvon surprised George with the punch and then proceeded to get on top of him. (according to George's testimony) It's very difficult to get out from under someone, who is on top of you and has you pinned. Especially if they are the same weight as you. Yes I know professional fighters do it all the time, but they are professionals and are trained to do such. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:33:47 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510: ...I know what the statute says. Lemme ask you how can you prove that it was self defense? Brusies on GZ doesn't mean that it was self defense. It means he was in a fight with someone. Was GZ gonna walk into the police station and say i started the fight and was losing so i pulled my gun out and shot him? There is no evidence to support anything. So posting what the statute says is irrelevant because as i said before no one knows what happened. THATS WHY ITS GOING TO A JURY. No, it might be going to a jury to appease tiny-brained idiots who don't understand what self-defense entails (you certainly know the sort I'm talking about) and those in a rush to show how not-racist they are. There are no good legal or factual reasons to prosecute GZ, of course. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:34:44 PM
Originally Posted By ggee87:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. I am a big dude, but I only have one arm that would be useful defensively. My other has a torn up joint. I have seen lots of 17 year old kids that could fuck up my day. I'm a little dude, I'm 5' 10" and about 165lbs. A little smaller than George Zimmerman at the time of the attack. I would be very hard pressed in defending myself from someone Trayvon's size, I believe reports put him at 6' 1"-2" and 160ish. That's 3-4" of height and 1-3" of extra arm length on me. Leverage goes a long way. Plus you are forgetting the first rule of a fight, surprise IS king. Trayvon surprised George with the punch and then proceeded to get on top of him. (according to George's testimony) It's very difficult to get out from under someone, who is on top of you and has you pinned. Especially if they are the same weight as you. Yes I know professional fighters do it all the time, but they are professionals and are trained to do such. Key fact in bold. Hey listen i respect everyones opinion. Its going to trial cause no one can corroborate GZ's story and thats the bottom line. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:35:08 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. "too many unknowns" means no arrest or trial under Florida Law, why is that so hard to grasp for some people? What's being done to Zimmerman, absent of any substantial, credible, evidence to contradict his version of events, is a travesty and a disgrace as well as contrary to the Florida Satutes. My chest is held shut with titanium wire; I couldn't duke it out with a 17 year old high school athlete and hope to walk away with it. The corollary is also true. "Too Many Unknowns" mean he gets arrested no matter what and the DA reviews the evidence and decides if they will charge him. Obviously they feel they have a case so all that no arrest no trial is wishful thinking. Section 776.032(1), Fla. Stat. " A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant." I know what the statute says. Lemme ask you how can you prove that it was self defense? Brusies on GZ doesn't mean that it was self defense. It means he was in a fight with someone. Was GZ gonna walk into the police station and say i started the fight and was losing so i pulled my gun out and shot him? There is no evidence to support anything. So posting what the statute says is irrelevant because as i said before no one knows what happened. THATS WHY ITS GOING TO A JURY. Your own words have just proven that you have absolutely no idea of what the statute says. Feel free to drivel on though. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:36:17 PM
Originally Posted By Tomislav:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
...I know what the statute says. Lemme ask you how can you prove that it was self defense? Brusies on GZ doesn't mean that it was self defense. It means he was in a fight with someone. Was GZ gonna walk into the police station and say i started the fight and was losing so i pulled my gun out and shot him? There is no evidence to support anything. So posting what the statute says is irrelevant because as i said before no one knows what happened. THATS WHY ITS GOING TO A JURY. No, it might be going to a jury to appease tiny-brained idiots who don't understand what self-defense entails (you certainly know the sort I'm talking about) and those in a rush to show how not-racist they are. There are no good legal or factual reasons to prosecute GZ, of course. Right. Its not going to a jury cause the only person who can either corrobarate or negate GZ's account of what is dead. I think thats why its going. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:37:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Shooter62:
It's pretty clear after reading all the posts which state I'm going to stay the hell away from. The NY boys don't seem to get the whole freedom from guilt until proved otherwise thing. If there was a reason to arrest GZ, he would have been arrested. Period. You guys seem to think because he shot someone he should automatically go to jail. I understand you've been conditioned, but holy crap. Apologies to those who got painted with my broad brush. (and the texan I left out) Understand that when you shoot and kill someone its homicide. Weather it was justifiable or not is not decided till it gets to the District Attorney. Not everyone is trigger happy in NY. Sometimes we even still fight with our fist. Why do some individuals persist in publicly reveling in their ignorance? |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:37:55 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 1:44:47 PM by America-first]
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:38:59 PM
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but my boss told me racism killed trayvon Shit judgement on Trayvon's part killed Trayvon. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:40:02 PM
Originally Posted By Danner130: You can't rely on self-defense when you provoke the conflict in the first place. Zimmerman deserves prison time. You deserve prison time, for trolling. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:40:14 PM
Accounts have Tavon approaching Zimmerman. Following someone is not grounds for a conflict.
If all Zimmerman did was follow and then get attack while returning to his truck, then Travon was the aggressor. Originally Posted By Danner130:
You can't rely on self-defense when you provoke the conflict in the first place. Zimmerman deserves prison time. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:42:22 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Originally Posted By ggee87:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. I am a big dude, but I only have one arm that would be useful defensively. My other has a torn up joint. I have seen lots of 17 year old kids that could fuck up my day. I'm a little dude, I'm 5' 10" and about 165lbs. A little smaller than George Zimmerman at the time of the attack. I would be very hard pressed in defending myself from someone Trayvon's size, I believe reports put him at 6' 1"-2" and 160ish. That's 3-4" of height and 1-3" of extra arm length on me. Leverage goes a long way. Plus you are forgetting the first rule of a fight, surprise IS king. Trayvon surprised George with the punch and then proceeded to get on top of him. (according to George's testimony) It's very difficult to get out from under someone, who is on top of you and has you pinned. Especially if they are the same weight as you. Yes I know professional fighters do it all the time, but they are professionals and are trained to do such. Key fact in bold. Hey listen i respect everyones opinion. Its going to trial cause no one can corroborate GZ's story and thats the bottom line. Isn't the bottom line the fact that there is no one to dispute his story? What about innocent until proven guilty? Sounds more like he is being asked to prove he is innocent, since none of the facts available show he broke the law. Apparently the (Ex) Chief of Police at the time didn't see any reason to seek prosecution when the case first broke. Then suddenly, the Feds get involved with a White House nod and see an opportunity to make a political circus out of it, and two days later, GZ is charged. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:42:50 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Originally Posted By ggee87:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. I am a big dude, but I only have one arm that would be useful defensively. My other has a torn up joint. I have seen lots of 17 year old kids that could fuck up my day. I'm a little dude, I'm 5' 10" and about 165lbs. A little smaller than George Zimmerman at the time of the attack. I would be very hard pressed in defending myself from someone Trayvon's size, I believe reports put him at 6' 1"-2" and 160ish. That's 3-4" of height and 1-3" of extra arm length on me. Leverage goes a long way. Plus you are forgetting the first rule of a fight, surprise IS king. Trayvon surprised George with the punch and then proceeded to get on top of him. (according to George's testimony) It's very difficult to get out from under someone, who is on top of you and has you pinned. Especially if they are the same weight as you. Yes I know professional fighters do it all the time, but they are professionals and are trained to do such. Key fact in bold. Hey listen i respect everyones opinion. Its going to trial cause no one can corroborate GZ's story and thats the bottom line. That, in fact, is not the bottom line. If that's the reason it's going to trial then Zimmerman is being prosecuted contrary to the laws of the State of Florida. I don't respect everyone's opinion because, I have come to understand that not all opinions are worthy of respect, especially those born of ignorance. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:42:50 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. Are you serious? If so you need to get out of your basement more and see some of these older teenagers that are out there. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:45:49 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. I'm 5'6" and 60 years old. There is no way I am going to play games with a 17 yo punk that is a lot bigger than I am. The only fair fight is the one you win, no matter how you win it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:47:34 PM
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Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. Are you serious? If so you need to get out of your basement more and see some of these older teenagers that are out there. Nobody can take a full power shot from mk090510! |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:51:12 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
[ Zimmerman still killed an unarmed 17 year old kid. Guess what? I don't care if he was ten. Play a man's game, pay a man's price. So what if he was only 17. Nits grow up to be lice. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:52:40 PM
Originally Posted By Pushrod_Paul:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. Are you serious? If so you need to get out of your basement more and see some of these older teenagers that are out there. A few years ago in my area there was a 15yo kid whooping the tar out of 4 cops They had to call in extra backup to get him subdued |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:58:52 PM
Originally Posted By MovinMan:
Originally Posted By Colonel_Kurtz:
Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By Danner130:
You can't rely on self-defense when you provoke the conflict in the first place. Zimmerman deserves prison time. Explain what the provocation was... Following around some kid like a perv on patrol? If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman that was a bad move but I admit I'd be a bit agitated if I were a 17 year old followed by some strange adult. I don't see how some of can't see how George Zimmerman created this clusterfuck. Because he was legally allowed to do so. I can walk around on public access property anytime I want....even of it just so happens to be at the same time and direction you are.......even if you don't like the fact that I'm doing it. I can engage you in conversation, I can ask you what you are doing, where you are going, do you live in this community, are you a burglar? All completely legal actions and at no time do any of those actions justify a physical attack. You have stooped to hood rat mentality if you think so. If you think that those actions equal some kind of ghetto level disrespect and as a result you can jump me and start punching me, then you belong in a cage or a pine box alongside trayvon. Agitated teenagers don't get to attack people. If your agitated, call the police. You can sit there on your cell phone with the police staring at me calling the police and we can work it out when the popo arrive. The absolute worst crime you can possibly accuse GZ of is being nosey........at worst. Considering the recent crime being committed in the area, I'd say he was a concerned citizen that doesn't just crawl back into his home when he sees something suspicious, as long as it isn't affecting him. The first crime was committed when your precious trayvon felt insulted and dissed by being followed by some dopey cracker. So he figured he administer a little street justice. That was also his last mistake. Nice shot George. Thunderous applause  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:59:52 PM
never try to reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
she's basing her decision on emotion. You have to get her to "feel" differently to change her mind. Point out a big 17 year old rough looking male at the mall next time and tell her you think he's stalking her I'm only half kidding  Originally Posted By RickNC: I can't discuss this case with my wife. She sides with Trayvon and won't listen to reason. We had a "debate" last night about the guys age. I told her 17 is a grown man fully capable of harming someone. She says at that age he doesn't know right from wrong or something. She's a smart woman too so I don't get it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:09:50 PM
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You are out of touch with reality. I train in martial arts, and a sudden, furious, unexpected attack is very difficult to recover from. Once you go to ground, you're screwed unless you train and practice ground fighting - even then you're already behind the curve in this scenario and losing the fight.
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:13:42 PM
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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
This whole case is bullshit, he took out some little skittle eating fuck stick who jumped him and tried to kill/injure him. Free Right there with you, Free. +1 more an innocent man is being railroaded |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:13:45 PM
Originally Posted By Matt_B: The left side of the reality image is not in fact Treyvon Martin. So? They lie, we lie. No problem. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:19:30 PM
Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
Originally Posted By Matt_B:
The left side of the reality image is not in fact Treyvon Martin. So? They lie, we lie. No problem. The problem is ....... You dont see lying as a problem.  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:26:07 PM
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The left side of the reality image is not in fact Treyvon Martin. So? They lie, we lie. No problem. This one better for you?  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:26:15 PM
Originally Posted By cyborg543: This zimmerman case is the worst thing to happen to self-defense rights in 20 years it's a disaster Like it or not, this type of thing was going to happen to someone, no matter what. It's on the "to do" list of the gun-grabbers and race-baiters.
We're fortunate that the GZ / STTtA case was the one they chose, as the facts are clear enough that it's obvious it's a snow job. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:36:34 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 2:42:14 PM by FLAL1A]
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. "too many unknowns" means no arrest or trial under Florida Law, why is that so hard to grasp for some people? What's being done to Zimmerman, absent of any substantial, credible, evidence to contradict his version of events, is a travesty and a disgrace as well as contrary to the Florida Satutes. My chest is held shut with titanium wire; I couldn't duke it out with a 17 year old high school athlete and hope to walk away with it. The corollary is also true. "Too Many Unknowns" mean he gets arrested no matter what and the DA reviews the evidence and decides if they will charge him. Obviously they feel they have a case so all that no arrest no trial is wishful thinking. Section 776.032(1), Fla. Stat. " A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant." I know what the statute says. Lemme ask you how can you prove that it was self defense? Brusies on GZ doesn't mean that it was self defense. It means he was in a fight with someone. Was GZ gonna walk into the police station and say i started the fight and was losing so i pulled my gun out and shot him? There is no evidence to support anything. So posting what the statute says is irrelevant because as i said before no one knows what happened. THATS WHY ITS GOING TO A JURY. I must say that I don't know what you're talking about, but that's OK because you don't either. The burden is on the State to prove that the killing was not self-defense, and the State must do so in a pretrial hearing before the judge without a jury. If the judge is convinced that it was not self-defense, then the State must prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that it was not self-defense. The only evidence made public at this point is Z's account, and that is almost certainly all the evidence there is, because the State (having already disclosed its evidence to Z's lawyer) would be trumpeting any evidence of guilt from the rooftops. The statute matters a great deal. Because of it, the State will very likely be left standing with its dick in its hand long before a jury panel is even summoned. ETA: In this case "unknowns" (i.e., the absence of accounts that corroborate or refute Z's story) mean that the State loses and probably loses early, because the State has the burden of proof despite the fact that that means it must prove a negative at least twice in order to win. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:40:11 PM
Originally Posted By TheWenisPrinkle: Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Originally Posted By Matt_B: The left side of the reality image is not in fact Treyvon Martin. So? They lie, we lie. No problem. The problem is ....... You dont see lying as a problem. When I see you undoing and calling out all the lies from the media. I will concede your point that the wrong Traytray image should not be used. Until then, your opinion about it is worth nothing. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:40:40 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. What is the reasioning to risk injury to yourself over the attitiude he's a kid I can beat his ass. Why risk injury to yourself trying to fight it out with some punk? Even if you are in good shape,skilled fighter,whatever Mabye it's just me I have never been in a fight that went like I thought it would before it started even if I came out fine for me. SHIT HAPPENS! Are you sure he does not have a weapon? Damm I did not see the shit I tripped on now I'm on the ground. Missed the rock stick,pipe ect. he did and picked up and is now beating my ass with. Great now he found my CCW now we're fighting for it SHIT. DAMM where did his friend(s) come from? The one(s) that just hit me while I was concertrating on him. And when did 17 become a kid (people use that description like we we're talking about a toddler who still has not learned to walk good. I don't know how old you are but I know 16-17yr olds You would be happy being the SAD ASS 30yr old WITH THE GUN IF THEY ATTACKED YOU. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:35:08 PM
I would buy him a beer and cigar.Probably saved Miami Gardens residents the misery of having their houses burglarized by Mr Skittles.That and lots of chilrens on welfare from multiple baby mommas.OH Yeah I dont have ANY white guilt at all!
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:46:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By Danner130:
You can't rely on self-defense when you provoke the conflict in the first place. Zimmerman deserves prison time. Explain what the provocation was... Following around some kid like a perv on patrol? If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman that was a bad move but I admit I'd be a bit agitated if I were a 17 year old followed by some strange adult. I don't see how some of can't see how George Zimmerman created this clusterfuck. Because he was legally allowed to do so. I can walk around on public access property anytime I want....even of it just so happens to be at the same time and direction you are.......even if you don't like the fact that I'm doing it. I can engage you in conversation, I can ask you what you are doing, where you are going, do you live in this community, are you a burglar? All completely legal actions and at no time do any of those actions justify a physical attack. You have stooped to hood rat mentality if you think so. If you think that those actions equal some kind of ghetto level disrespect and as a result you can jump me and start punching me, then you belong in a cage or a pine box alongside trayvon. Agitated teenagers don't get to attack people. If your agitated, call the police. You can sit there on your cell phone with the police staring at me calling the police and we can work it out when the popo arrive. The absolute worst crime you can possibly accuse GZ of is being nosey........at worst. Considering the recent crime being committed in the area, I'd say he was a concerned citizen that doesn't just crawl back into his home when he sees something suspicious, as long as it isn't affecting him. The first crime was committed when your precious trayvon felt insulted and dissed by being followed by some dopey cracker. So he figured he administer a little street justice. That was also his last mistake. Nice shot George. Thunderous applause  I spilt me Skittles! |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:56:53 PM
Originally Posted By switchtanks:
Originally Posted By MovinMan:
Originally Posted By Colonel_Kurtz:
Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By Danner130:
You can't rely on self-defense when you provoke the conflict in the first place. Zimmerman deserves prison time. Explain what the provocation was... Following around some kid like a perv on patrol? If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman that was a bad move but I admit I'd be a bit agitated if I were a 17 year old followed by some strange adult. I don't see how some of can't see how George Zimmerman created this clusterfuck. Because he was legally allowed to do so. I can walk around on public access property anytime I want....even of it just so happens to be at the same time and direction you are.......even if you don't like the fact that I'm doing it. I can engage you in conversation, I can ask you what you are doing, where you are going, do you live in this community, are you a burglar? All completely legal actions and at no time do any of those actions justify a physical attack. You have stooped to hood rat mentality if you think so. If you think that those actions equal some kind of ghetto level disrespect and as a result you can jump me and start punching me, then you belong in a cage or a pine box alongside trayvon. Agitated teenagers don't get to attack people. If your agitated, call the police. You can sit there on your cell phone with the police staring at me calling the police and we can work it out when the popo arrive. The absolute worst crime you can possibly accuse GZ of is being nosey........at worst. Considering the recent crime being committed in the area, I'd say he was a concerned citizen that doesn't just crawl back into his home when he sees something suspicious, as long as it isn't affecting him. The first crime was committed when your precious trayvon felt insulted and dissed by being followed by some dopey cracker. So he figured he administer a little street justice. That was also his last mistake. Nice shot George. Thunderous applause  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:59:26 PM
Originally Posted By Colonel_Kurtz:
Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By Danner130:
You can't rely on self-defense when you provoke the conflict in the first place. Zimmerman deserves prison time. Explain what the provocation was... Following around some kid like a perv on patrol? If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman that was a bad move but I admit I'd be a bit agitated if I were a 17 year old followed by some strange adult. I don't see how some of you can't see how George Zimmerman created this clusterfuck. Trayvon was Trespassing in a PRIVATE Community. 
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:02:29 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510: Originally Posted By batmanacw: Originally Posted By mk090510: There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. I am a big dude, but I only have one arm that would be useful defensively. My other has a torn up joint. I have seen lots of 17 year old kids that could fuck up my day. I agree. I knew some kids in highschool that were 6'5 and 250 pounds. I just say to myself George Zimmerman is a pretty big guy and Martin is still a skinny snot nosed 17 year old kid. At 17 i was 155 pounds. It would have been very difficult for me to overpower a 200 pound guy. Just saying with all the reporting on this story who knows what is true and what is not. GZ is like 5' 8" according to the booking records TM was was 6' (or taller) according to several descriptions. I knew several 16-18 y/o that could go toe to toe with most adult males, some in the 5' 10" range. Hell, Mike Tyson was knocking out grown men at the age of 12. All teenagers aren't the lily white pansies most around here seem to associate with. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:08:14 PM
Well for me it's the physical evidence. All we have is Treyvon's GF testimony about what she heard on the phone, Z's testimony and the physical evidence. No other witness until after the altercation is underway. physical evidence seems to confirm Z's version of events. wounds on Z,s face and back of head, offensive wounds on T's hands. It's real easy to believe that the GF made something up to make her BF look better and make Z look guilty, a lot easier than to believe that Z just all of a sudden turn vigilante and began pushing around Treyvon.
Originally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7: This whole case is bullshit, he took out some little skittle eating fuck stick who jumped him and tried to kill/injure him. Free What makes you think Martin jumped Zimmerman? Has someone come forward to claim that happened other than Zimmerman? |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:11:33 PM
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The idea that the majority of you take Zimmermans story at face value makes you just as blind and easily lead as those who bought into the initial report. None of you (nor I) know what happened on that night and never will. After the trial has come to close, we may have a better understanding. Until then, everything is just speculation and talking out your ass. Oh yeah, and IBTL i suppose. "We don't know what happened, so he should be convicted" is a seriously fucked up position. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:19:31 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Understand that when you shoot and kill someone its homicide. Weather it was justifiable or not is not decided till it gets to the District Attorney. Not everyone is trigger happy in NY. Sometimes we even still fight with our fist. You've never been in a fight, I can tell by what you have written. Your shear ignorance on the subject is astounding because you casually dismiss the fact that Zimmerman was getting his head bashed against the concrete. Zimmerman is allowed to follow, walk, talk, even verbally confront anyone on that street- anyone. It's a free fucking country and Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch captain. No matter how the fight started, Zimmerman is allowed to defend himself with deadly force if he felt his life was being threatened. Good shoot and good riddance. 7n6 |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:26:23 PM
Exactly, and in an absence of overwhelming evidence to the contrary Z is innocent and this was a self defense shooting. I just can see no way the prosecution could remove reasonable doubt about 2nd degree murder or even manslaughter. As it stands now, I barely even see PC to believe it wasn't self defense.
Originally Posted By Ohio: Originally Posted By Choncer: The idea that the majority of you take Zimmermans story at face value makes you just as blind and easily lead as those who bought into the initial report. None of you (nor I) know what happened on that night and never will. After the trial has come to close, we may have a better understanding. Until then, everything is just speculation and talking out your ass. Oh yeah, and IBTL i suppose. "We don't know what happened, so he should be convicted" is a seriously fucked up position. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:29:41 PM
Skittle Skattle, this thread sure outs the trolls...
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:38:11 PM
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"Too Many Unknowns" mean he gets arrested no matter what and the DA reviews the evidence and decides if they will charge him. Obviously they feel they have a case so all that no arrest no trial is wishful thinking. What is happening to GZ is contray to natural law, and Florida law. It is a travesty that should outrage every citizen. Who knows which one of us will be thrown under the bus of poitical correctness next? Zimmerman still killed an unarmed 17 year old kid. Thats the bottom line. Its hard for a lot of people to grasp that no matter what the circumstances were. Especially since the media has made it racial.
JUSTIFIABLY killed an "unarmed" 17 year old. You do know lots of people are killed with bare hands, right? Your situation is obviously different that GZ. He doesn't have any titanium wire in his chest.
... and how did lil' Trey-Trey know dat? Oh, that's right - HE DIDN'T! I don't believe GZ is 100% inncocent. Does he deserve a manslaughter charge i don't really think so but he is at fault somewhere in this case. Like i said before his fate is in the hands of a jury.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:43:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Shooter62:
It's pretty clear after reading all the posts which state I'm going to stay the hell away from. The NY boys don't seem to get the whole freedom from guilt until proved otherwise thing. If there was a reason to arrest GZ, he would have been arrested. Period. You guys seem to think because he shot someone he should automatically go to jail. I understand you've been conditioned, but holy crap. Apologies to those who got painted with my broad brush. (and the texan I left out) Understand that when you shoot and kill someone its homicide. Weather it was justifiable or not is not decided till it gets to the District Attorney. Not everyone is trigger happy in NY. Sometimes we even still fight with our fist. Yep, I understand some states like to victimize victims a second time with loss of work, attorney fees, etc. Homicide and Murder are not synonyms. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:53:38 PM
Originally Posted By dorobuta: You are out of touch with reality. I train in martial arts, and a sudden, furious, unexpected attack is very difficult to recover from. Once you go to ground, you're screwed unless you train and practice ground fighting - even then you're already behind the curve in this scenario and losing the fight. Originally Posted By mk090510: There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. Yup, and not all of us train to fight and maintain peak physical condition. At 17, I was a football player and in better shape with more strength than I had at 30. I couldn't have taken the 17 year old version of myself, especially not if ambushed. Some people need a good, real, in your face lesson about violence...because they live in a delusional Hollywood version of it where they think they can beat everyone's ass. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:00:57 PM
Agreed.
Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7: This whole case is bullshit, he took out some little skittle eating fuck stick who jumped him and tried to kill/injure him. Free |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:33:27 PM
Originally Posted By MEDIKEIGHTED:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
This whole case is bullshit, he took out some little skittle eating fuck stick who jumped him and tried to kill/injure him. Free Right there with you, Free. +1 more an innocent man is being railroaded but its for the children! |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:34:49 PM
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Originally Posted By dan45678:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. "too many unknowns" means no arrest or trial under Florida Law, why is that so hard to grasp for some people? What's being done to Zimmerman, absent of any substantial, credible, evidence to contradict his version of events, is a travesty and a disgrace as well as contrary to the Florida Satutes. My chest is held shut with titanium wire; I couldn't duke it out with a 17 year old high school athlete and hope to walk away with it. The corollary is also true. "Too Many Unknowns" mean he gets arrested no matter what and the DA reviews the evidence and decides if they will charge him. Obviously they feel they have a case so all that no arrest no trial is wishful thinking. Zimmerman still killed an unarmed 17 year old kid. Thats the bottom line. Its hard for a lot of people to grasp that no matter what the circumstances were. Especially since the media has made it racial. Your situation is obviously different that GZ. He doesn't have any titanium wire in his chest. I don't believe GZ is 100% inncocent. Does he deserve a manslaughter charge i don't really think so but he is at fault somewhere in this case. Like i said before his fate is in the hands of a jury. "Too many unknowns" is NON-EXISTENT as a legal concept. The relevant legal concept here is "reasonable doubt." Maybe Zimmerman didn't have titanium wire in his chest but from the photographs of the back of his head, he was obviously in trouble at some point during the altercation. Those wounds alone are enough to establish reasonable doubt. I think i already explained what i meant by too many unknowns. Im not saying that its not reasonable doubt. Im saying if a 200 pound healthy man can hand to hand defend himself against a skinny 150 17 year old highschool student he needs to lay off practicing at the shooting range and start hitting the gym. Thats all im saying. Trayvon was a a 190+ football player. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:41:46 PM
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Originally Posted By mk090510:
There are too many unknowns to really say who was at fault here. It will all be in the hands of the jury. Its pretty sad though that a 30 year old grown man needs a weapon to put down a 17 year old kid. I would think most of us could take down trayvon martin without a gun. please tell me your trolling! skittles played the game and lost! PERIOD! doesn't matter age what age he was, skittles was held accountable for his actions. why is this so hard for you to grasp? when i was 17 i was in the shape of my life. most 17 year old kids think they're bulletproof. this skittles punk found out he wasn't!  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:49:37 PM
Agitated teenagers don't get to attack people
That has to be the simplest and easy way to explain this situation I have heard. |
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