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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:07:37 PM
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Does the nursing home not have personnel on staff to handle these types of incidents? Exactly, every facility I have ever worked at, did registry work for or even looked at had multiple plans in place, none of them involving the police or fucking tazers. As it should be. A majority of them in my area are staffed by incompetent drones who have little procedure or knowledge of their own procedures. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:10:45 PM
Originally Posted By jeebus: Originally Posted By Troubl3shooter: Originally Posted By jeebus: Originally Posted By para_frame: Originally Posted By Sierra5: Originally Posted By jeebus: Use police training to subdue the elderly, confused attacker? That's 1 option...maybe they have super powers tho...nursing home caregiver mortality rates must be terrifying... So how are you going to subdue him? Please walk me through this incident since you have more info then me. As someone who has dealt with such pts on a daily basis, gladly. First things first, deescalating is key, these pts have no idea what is going on, having an officer come in to their room and go hands on is going to incite a fear reaction from the pt, call the wife/legal guardian, while pts may have no grasp of what is going on today or even this decade they do remember people from their past, even if they don't know who the person is. Call the doctor and get approval to administer any number of PRN meds (all the facility I worked at had certain meds as PRN on all pts unless there was a contraindication). get approval for soft restraints and gather a restraint team, 6 people all with a specific job can restrain even the most confused Pt without risking the pt or staff. I could go on but these where our standard plans for pts at the facilities I worked at and we never needed anything else, much less to call the cops. Great answer. Thanks Over the PA: Code green D1! Code green D1! Troubl3shooter: God damn it Keosha... Okay guys, lets go. *All free personnel report to D1 ward and pile on the crazy lady* *Nurse administers PRN (ativan, benadryl, haldol)* *patients goes to happy land* *patient goes in restraints* *Everybody goes back to their own ward* *Some poor schlub gets stuck cleaning up various bodily fluids* *Some poor schlub gets stuck taking and charting vitals every 15 minutes until they come out of restraints* I hope you didn't think I was being sarcastic, I really was thanking you. Lol. I didn't have that training but knew there had to be a better way to handle it. Glad someone who knew the procedure stepped in. Nah, not at all. I was just recounting a semi regular occurrence. She'd do that every couple of weeks, get naked and throw down. Did you know that some antipsychotics induce lactation in females? See note about bodily fluids above.  |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:12:39 PM
[Last Edit: 6/21/2012 8:15:30 PM by Sierra5]
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Brindle attempted to gain control of Howard’s arms to restrain him, and a struggle ensued.
So what do you all think needs to happen? Fist fight? Baton him? Bean bag him? We all know that those are way lesser uses of force apparently. Quick check, how many here have ever had to deal with a combative, upset, confused, alzheimers patient who has been physical? How about having the presence of mind to consider the option that a guy that age may have a medical condition that should preclude using punitive methods of control? It isn't rocket surgery to make an effort to evaluate a persons mental acuity before using agressive control methods on them. Keep in mind that he was combative and assaulting staff to start with apparently, they were called to stop that. Pardner....the guy is 65 years old. Do you seriously know many bad-ass 65 year old nursing home patients? Seems like the popo is trained to hurry up and neutralize any situation where someone is being difficult. Apparently, that isn't always the most prudent course of action. I actually know a guy who parachuted into France in WWII, at I think 15 he said, that has moderate alzheimers. He calls about the Japs sneaking up on his house regularly. The man is 6'02, 80 something years old I think, has the grip of a vise, and hides hammers around his house to beat someone's ass if they break in. I have zero doubt this man could beat my ass if he wanted to. Cool as hell guy with a million stories. Sadly, we are losing all like him every day. Absolutely agree about hurrying, especially in fast developing situations, no matter the field/job. Sometimes you have to make the split second descisions though. People fuck up when they need to stop and think and don't. In LE, that's a really really bad thing and causes 90% of the grief. Slow it down, talk it out when you can. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:12:58 PM
Originally Posted By jeebus:
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It has also been known to cause cardiac arrest...which I would think would be a big danger for a 65 year old man without being tazed So has sex  , bet I know which one as better stats of causing it.More folks experience 1 vs the other too, sample size isn't exactly the same Originally Posted By RJeff21:
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Police are way too tazer happy. They should be required to go through the same review as if they had used their firearm after tazing someone. These days it seems tazers are being used as a substitute for the word stop instead of for lethal force as originally intended. Might wanna do your research, tazers were never classified as lethal force. That was mis-worded. Apologies. I was trying to say as a substitute for lethal force, as were intended. A point which others have contested as well. It was never meant as a substitute. I know of many incidents where good cops are dead because they utilized their taser when they should of used their gun. LEO's are taught (at least should be) not to attempt a taser usage when lethal force is justified. Fine, but a tazer shouldn't be whipped out whenever a cop just doesn't want to talk anymore, or if someone is agitated but not posing a threat...or any number of other unjustifiable uses you read about on a weekly basis. Since you obviously don't understand what tasers were designed for and in what instances they can be used, how can you make a determination as to what's justified or not? |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:17:21 PM
I gotta get off the boards, but I just want to sum up my argument by saying that tazers do have a place and a legitimate use in law enforcement. However, they also present a risk...because of that they shouldn't be treated as lightly as they are. Even if the officer knows that tazing the old man, or agitated pregnant woman or young teenager is "within regulations" they should use a little common sense...people have been killed by these tools. That's why a review system should be in place...and procedure changed. If an officer is legitimately threatened than by all means...taze away...but tazing a handcuffed man who is yelling at them etc...that's a risk that shouldn't be taken. Each time that risk goes bad for someone public faith gets eroded making it harder for good cops to.do their job.
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:24:49 PM
Originally Posted By jeebus:
I gotta get off the boards, but I just want to sum up my argument by saying that tazers do have a place and a legitimate use in law enforcement. However, they also present a risk...because of that they shouldn't be treated as lightly as they are. Even if the officer knows that tazing the old man, or agitated pregnant woman or young teenager is "within regulations" they should use a little common sense...people have been killed by these tools. That's why a review system should be in place...and procedure changed. If an officer is legitimately threatened than by all means...taze away...but tazing a handcuffed man who is yelling at them etc...that's a risk that shouldn't be taken. Each time that risk goes bad for someone public faith gets eroded making it harder for good cops to.do their job. I agree there are times where tasers have been used when not needed, however, how can you judge what these officers did based on a news story that paints the picture as anything but clear. Maybe the reason faith in LEOs eroded because everyone jumps to conclusions without knowing the full story because of some bias they hold against cops. I'm not saying that bad cops don't hurt the image but judging the situation based on just about no facts at all doesn't help the situation one bit. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:28:47 PM
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Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Pardner....the guy is 65 years old. Do you seriously know many bad-ass 65 year old nursing home patients? My dad is older than that and I wouldn't want to try and restrain him if he doesn't want to be restrained. 
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:31:23 PM
I'm actually ok with this. Regrettable, but better than a beat down. People with alzheimers panic easilly and they are usually frail.
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:32:23 PM
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By jeebus:
I gotta get off the boards, but I just want to sum up my argument by saying that tazers do have a place and a legitimate use in law enforcement. However, they also present a risk...because of that they shouldn't be treated as lightly as they are. Even if the officer knows that tazing the old man, or agitated pregnant woman or young teenager is "within regulations" they should use a little common sense...people have been killed by these tools. That's why a review system should be in place...and procedure changed. If an officer is legitimately threatened than by all means...taze away...but tazing a handcuffed man who is yelling at them etc...that's a risk that shouldn't be taken. Each time that risk goes bad for someone public faith gets eroded making it harder for good cops to.do their job. I agree there are times where tasers have been used when not needed, however, how can you judge what these officers did based on a news story that paints the picture as anything but clear. Maybe the reason faith in LEOs eroded because everyone jumps to conclusions without knowing the full story because of some bias they hold against cops. I'm not saying that bad cops don't hurt the image but judging the situation based on just about no facts at all doesn't help the situation one bit. Thank you Just add in that most people dont know squat about electricity or tasers and believe the hype. Again it's obtaining knowledge before you make a descision. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:34:50 PM
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Deleted. Already answered. Ah shit, it's the fookin po-lice! 
Please don't repot me for being rational extoris, it was a one time lapse. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:37:33 PM
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Deleted. Already answered. Ah shit, it's the fookin po-lice!
Please don't report me for being rational Extorris, it was a one time lapse. No, it was the whole "taser/deadly force replacement" thing from Page 1. BTW- I'm not the po-lice anymore.  |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:38:23 PM
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Deleted. Already answered. Ah shit, it's the fookin po-lice!
Please don't report me for being rational Extorris, it was a one time lapse. No, it was the whole "taser/deadly force replacement" thing from Page 1. BTW- I'm not the po-lice anymore. Oh I know, it was a joke |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 8:53:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Deleted. Already answered. Ah shit, it's the fookin po-lice!
Please don't report me for being rational Extorris, it was a one time lapse. No, it was the whole "taser/deadly force replacement" thing from Page 1. BTW- I'm not the po-lice anymore. Oh I know, it was a joke I'm a "civilian" now.
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:01:53 PM
Originally Posted By Sierra5: My wife does it on a daily basis. She rarely resorts to the taser.Brindle attempted to gain control of Howard’s arms to restrain him, and a struggle ensued. So what do you all think needs to happen? Fist fight? Baton him? Bean bag him? We all know that those are way lesser uses of force apparently. Quick check, how many here have ever had to deal with a combative, upset, confused, alzheimers patient who has been physical?  |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:03:07 PM
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I'm a "citizen" now.
But does that make you a citizen civilian hater? We need clarification. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
No time for citizen haters *click* ignore  
Somehow because I'm saying there are two sides and the article doesnt have half the info? Awesome It's one of them there "jokes", pardner  |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:07:04 PM
Originally Posted By sporter: Patient likely had no fucking clue what was even going on, let alone why he was being accosted.Patient had it coming. As long he went home safe... |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:12:56 PM
[Last Edit: 6/21/2012 9:14:57 PM by Sierra5]
Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
No time for citizen haters *click* ignore
Somehow because I'm saying there are two sides and the article doesnt have half the info? Awesome It's one of them there "jokes", pardner My bad man, my sarcasm meter is off. I'm sometimes smiley dependent. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:14:30 PM
Well maybe next time the fucker will remember his name!
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:20:36 PM
Why the fuck did they call the police then?
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:22:48 PM
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
But does that make you a citizen civilian hater? We need clarification. My bad, got my GD butthurt buzzwords confused. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:23:25 PM
Just checked with Wifey. Her words, "anybody who thinks that shits ok needs an ass kicking" I just report the facts guys. She is dutifully makin me a sammich now.
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:24:21 PM
Originally Posted By crwdplsr:
Why the fuck did they call the police then? Because they are stupid and/or didn't expect the officer to go full retard? |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:25:30 PM
Originally Posted By jeebus:
Police are way too tazer happy. They should be required to go through the same review as if they had used their firearm after tazing someone. These days it seems tazers are being used as a substitute for the word stop instead of for lethal force as originally intended. Less tazer training, more critical thinking development. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:47:52 PM
Originally Posted By para_frame: Originally Posted By crwdplsr: Why the fuck did they call the police then? Because they are stupid and/or didn't expect the officer to go full retard? This place calling for help with a patient is like those people that call 911 because McDonald's is out of chicken nuggets. I could understand if there were already serious injuries involved, but damn. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 9:58:28 PM
[Last Edit: 6/21/2012 10:07:01 PM by VooDoo3dfx]
Originally Posted By jeebus:
Police are way too tazer happy. They should be required to go through the same review as if they had used their firearm after tazing someone. These days it seems tazers are being used as a substitute for the word stop instead of for lethal force as originally intended. You must serve on the NJs AG board of policy making, cause that's their policy. Its also why I will never carry one. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:06:09 PM
[Last Edit: 6/21/2012 10:06:39 PM by TerryC]
I had a long response typed up, but I got up and walked it off. And after thinking it through came back and started over.
I usually stay as far away from these threads as I can get. But this one has my blood boiling. I watched my father go from the most intelligent, resourceful man I had ever known, to a shell that could not function. Luckily he had good caregivers, and he repayed them by being a true gentleman to the very end. When I close my eyes I still see him as I sat by his bed and closed his eyes for the last time. I don't give one single fuck what ANYONE here, LE or otherwise, tries to throw out in defense of this, there is none. CoC prevents me from going any farther, so that's all I have to say. I will not be returning to this thread. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:10:36 PM
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Brindle attempted to gain control of Howard’s arms to restrain him, and a struggle ensued.
So what do you all think needs to happen? Fist fight? Baton him? Bean bag him? We all know that those are way lesser uses of force apparently. Quick check, how many here have ever had to deal with a combative, upset, confused, alzheimers patient who has been physical? The best course of action is often to just walk away when dealing with dementia patients. I had a nursing home call me a while back because one of their residents was angry and trying to leave. Um, okay. Let her leave unless she's here under a court order. "The doctor says she's 5150" Um, then the doctor can call for an ambulance and have her transported to an appropriate facilty that he has made arrangments at in advanced. But its NOT A POLICE ISSUE. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:12:56 PM
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Calling the police (who have limited, if any, training in dealing with Pts suffering from dementia) is a disgusting move.... I think they do it out of ignorance. Apparently they dont cover everything in the mail order phillipino nursing school that the local old folks homes get their staff from. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:14:49 PM
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Brindle attempted to gain control of Howard’s arms to restrain him, and a struggle ensued.
So what do you all think needs to happen? Fist fight? Baton him? Bean bag him? We all know that those are way lesser uses of force apparently. "Police said he wouldn’t obey their commands." Going by the article, he didn't "start resisting" until he was put on the floor by the tazer. Some cops seem to go from 0 to tazer and 2 seconds flat when a subject isn't instantly compliant with their commands. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:15:08 PM
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Calling the police (who have limited, if any, training in dealing with Pts suffering from dementia) is a disgusting move.... I think they do it out of ignorance. Apparently they dont cover everything in the mail order phillipino nursing school that the local old folks homes get their staff from. West African nationals are the staff of choice around here lately. They dress like they are Jay-Z in scrubs  |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:15:24 PM
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Does the nursing home not have personnel on staff to handle these types of incidents? Many do not. They call the fire department and the cops when the "inmates" get riled up. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:18:58 PM
Originally Posted By crwdplsr:
Why the fuck did they call the police then? Because people increasingly think 911 is the solution for all of lifes problems. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:22:31 PM
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Originally Posted By crwdplsr:
Why the fuck did they call the police then? Because they are stupid and/or didn't expect the officer to go full retard? Thats why on my last day I'm bringing a menu to work. So people understand what I can and cannot do for them. when the cops show up they will. 1. do nothing. 2. take a report or write a ticket. 3. take someone to jail. 4. kick someones ass. 5. shoot someone. If options 1-5 will not solve your problem you called the wrong people. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:38:43 PM
[Last Edit: 6/21/2012 10:41:24 PM by birddogz]
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Originally Posted By crwdplsr:
Why the fuck did they call the police then? Because they are stupid and/or didn't expect the officer to go full retard? Thats why on my last day I'm bringing a menu to work. So people understand what I can and cannot do for them. when the cops show up they will. 1. do nothing. 2. take a report or write a ticket. 3. take someone to jail. 4. kick someones ass. 5. shoot someone. If options 1-5 will not solve your problem you called the wrong people. That should be printed on the side of patrol cars  |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:54:31 PM
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Calling the police (who have limited, if any, training in dealing with Pts suffering from dementia) is a disgusting move.... I think they do it out of ignorance. Apparently they dont cover everything in the mail order phillipino nursing school that the local old folks homes get their staff from. West African nationals are the staff of choice around here lately. They dress like they are Jay-Z in scrubs I know your trying to inject humor into the thread but this isn't funny at all.  |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:02:40 PM
I'm not going to armchair the officers on the scene but from what I picked up skimming through the article, the guy was only 64 but so far off that he was basically a baby in a grown man's body. He couldn't understand basic commands such as sit and the like according to his wife. So from what I could tell, it seemed like a good tase. Beats the officers laying the hickory on the man. :/
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:13:08 PM
Originally Posted By Pogo55:
Originally Posted By jeebus:
Police are way too tazer happy. They should be required to go through the same review as if they had used their firearm after tazing someone. These days it seems tazers are being used as a substitute for the word stop instead of for lethal force as originally intended. It was intended to be an alternative to the baton and pepper spray. It does get used much too often though. Yup, that's why I'm happy my dept brought back the LVNR. I love the choke! (although we can't call it a "choke"). No hitting, beating, striking, spraying, tazing.....just wrap up and nighty night. How much better would it have played out if they had to fight this old man and instead just calmly wrapped up on him and put him down to the ground gently as he went limp? |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:15:09 PM
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Brindle attempted to gain control of Howard’s arms to restrain him, and a struggle ensued.
So what do you all think needs to happen? Fist fight? Baton him? Bean bag him? We all know that those are way lesser uses of force apparently. Quick check, how many here have ever had to deal with a combative, upset, confused, alzheimers patient who has been physical? oh oh oh oh ...pick me pick me!!!!!
Yeah, most people can't understand that a confused old man is still a MAN. and old man stength is nothing to mess with. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:16:42 PM
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Quick check, how many here have ever had to deal with a combative, upset, confused, alzheimers patient who has been physical? I have, on numerous occaisions. Also, young full on psychotics having a serious break and reacting violently. I have never needed to resort to a weapon of any kind to restrain them, but then my Mama and Daddy raised me to be a man instead of a useless little bitch. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:26:27 PM
Originally Posted By MeTarzan:
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Quick check, how many here have ever had to deal with a combative, upset, confused, alzheimers patient who has been physical? I have, on numerous occaisions. Also, young full on psychotics having a serious break and reacting violently. I have never needed to resort to a weapon of any kind to restrain them, but then my Mama and Daddy raised me to be a man instead of a useless little bitch. Badass alert. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:27:59 PM
He was making a move, they had to get it on.
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:30:43 PM
Originally Posted By MeTarzan:
Originally Posted By Sierra5:
Quick check, how many here have ever had to deal with a combative, upset, confused, alzheimers patient who has been physical? I have, on numerous occaisions. Also, young full on psychotics having a serious break and reacting violently. I have never needed to resort to a weapon of any kind to restrain them, but then my Mama and Daddy raised me to be a man instead of a useless little bitch. 100% 
First of all, even if your statement were true (which its not), do you really think a full on wrestling match with a 64 yo man is going to end with less injury than with a taser? Can you say broken bones, torn muscles, and possibly worse? Second of all, your statement is utter BS. Do you really expect people who have ACTUALLY gone head on with people experiencing psychotic breaks, that require multiple officers with the use of many different less than lethal devices (which usually don't work too well on those type of individuals) to believe you went one on one with a psychotically deranged person? Maybe a 6 year old having a psychotic break...... Not a full grown adult. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:35:32 PM
Originally Posted By AR15fan: Thats a whole keyboard full of win right there!Originally Posted By para_frame: Originally Posted By crwdplsr: Why the fuck did they call the police then? Because they are stupid and/or didn't expect the officer to go full retard? Thats why on my last day I'm bringing a menu to work. So people understand what I can and cannot do for them. when the cops show up they will. 1. do nothing. 2. take a report or write a ticket. 3. take someone to jail. 4. kick someones ass. 5. shoot someone. If options 1-5 will not solve your problem you called the wrong people. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:35:39 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 12:45:57 AM by Paul]
[Personal attacks removed - warning issued - Paul]
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rock71
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:39:16 PM
Originally Posted By SeanC:
Good police work! Quoting from another thread into this one? Lame. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:40:01 PM
[Last Edit: 6/21/2012 11:40:34 PM by RANGER_556]
quick, someone post the "we got a bad ass" picture now!
Originally Posted By MeTarzan: Originally Posted By Sierra5: Quick check, how many here have ever had to deal with a combative, upset, confused, alzheimers patient who has been physical? I have, on numerous occaisions. Also, young full on psychotics having a serious break and reacting violently. I have never needed to resort to a weapon of any kind to restrain them, but then my Mama and Daddy raised me to be a man instead of a useless little bitch. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:41:18 PM
Originally Posted By jeebus:
Police are way too tazer happy. They should be required to go through the same review as if they had used their firearm after tazing someone. These days it seems tazers are being used as a substitute for the word stop instead of for lethal force as originally intended. taser = civilian obedience training device |
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RJeff21
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:42:32 PM
Originally Posted By MeTarzan:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
First of all, even if your statement were true (which its not), do you really think a full on wrestling match with a 64 yo man is going to end with less injury than with a taser? Can you say broken bones, torn muscles, and possibly worse? Since I have done it numerous times, with people of all ages and levels of physical health, yes. Anybody in the medical field who has worked at or done a rotation at a psych hospital has done exactly that, no injury to the patients is the norm. Second of all, your statement is utter BS.
Blow me. Do you really expect people who have ACTUALLY gone head on with people experiencing psychotic breaks, that require multiple officers with the use of many different less than lethal devices (which usually don't work too well on those type of individuals) to believe you went one on one with a psychotically deranged person? Maybe a 6 year old having a psychotic break...... Not a full grown adult.
I suggest you do a nice three month rotation at Metro State in Norwalk, CA where I did my psych rotation. The forensic wards are pretty tame, so you'll want to do the involuntarily committed wards so you can get some real experience. With adults. Who are young. And strong. And having a psychotic break. You enormous vagina. I'm sorry I just don't believe that you went one on one with these individuals. First of all your in a professional environment with protocols. I would almost guarantee your protocol is not going to be that you subdue a violent mentally deficient patient by yourself. So your big and bad claim about you not being a pussy is utter horseshit. How many employees do you have helping with the restraint of these individuals? And believe me buddy, I don't need your three month rotation. We got this thing called Baker Act down here in FL and they're all involuntary. People that have been happy to come along for the ride have been few a far between, believe me. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:43:49 PM
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Troubl3shooter: God damn it Keosha... Okay guys, lets go. *All free personnel report to D1 ward and pile on the crazy lady* Crazy lady suffers broken bones here..... *Nurse administers PRN (ativan, benadryl, haldol)* *patients goes to happy land* *patient goes in restraints* *Everybody goes back to their own ward* *Some poor schlub gets stuck cleaning up various bodily fluids* *Some poor schlub gets stuck taking and charting vitals every 15 minutes until they come out of restraints* |
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