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http://www.billboardtarps.com/ surpluses the vinyl billboard signs you see all over. They don't paint a backboard anymore: they print a large vinyl sign and hang it. It's made of sunlight-resistant vinyl.

You haven't said what kind of dag you have, SL; if it's a toy-type dog (poodle e.g.), keep it in the cat run or the house. Be VERY mindful of what I said about coyotes.

As for turning into your mother: I bet there are worse people to turn into!
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How wide is your property, it can be a great opportunity to get a 6.5 Grendel


Not looking to expand my ammo supply requirements right now, thank you. Like to keep it to .308, 5.56, 9mm, and .22. I don't have a .22 rifle yet but that probably should be added to the arsenal. Any suggestions for a decent vermin gun?

Eventually, I might put a range in, too (and reduce my range fees from my budget), but we shall see.
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I've been eye balling some Marlin's in 22lr but they cost about 3-5K$ here If I lived in the US I'd AT LEAST have a 10/22 and a lever gun in .22lr.
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When I purchased my place I started with getting the building site defined and cleared then getting a driveway established and utilities installed. During this process I decided that living 40-45 minutes away was just not working out for me. Example, if I had four hours to kill on a given day I spent almost two of them commuting to the place just to do the work. I rented out the house I was living in and bought a clean small camper used. All my large stuff like couches, chairs and tables etc went into a storage unit. I staged the camper on the edge of the yard and setup temp utilities to it. Also let me keep an eye on things and reduced the need to move into a half finished house.

My vehicle at the time was a 83' CJ-7. I bought a lightweight utility trailer just capable of fitting a 4X8 sheet of material laying flat. That let me get home everything large enough not to fit in the Jeep but, small enough or to few of not to have free delivery. The lumber yards here will deliver any order over $1000 free, so I just ordered at least that $ amount and they delivered and unloaded the next working day. I am currently doing a 20X26 addition to my house and I own a Deuce with a dump bed and I still have had them deliver the material just to save me time and fuel so I can use my time to actually work on it instead of drive. Having been there and done it I am excited for you, feel free to PM me..
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Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:
Some more notes:

http://www.billboardtarps.com/ surpluses the vinyl billboard signs you see all over. They don't paint a backboard anymore: they print a large vinyl sign and hang it. It's made of sunlight-resistant vinyl.

You haven't said what kind of dag you have, SL; if it's a toy-type dog (poodle e.g.), keep it in the cat run or the house. Be VERY mindful of what I said about coyotes.

As for turning into your mother: I bet there are worse people to turn into!


A Minature Rat Terror, errr, Terrier.



Eventually, there will be other dogs, both working/herding and house. I am not intending to let the current dog run free on the land, even with me. It's too unexplored and she could get away from me and disappear from sight. Plus, I don't think she's ever been around where cactus grows and there is the possibility of snakes as well. She'll say on a leash outside; once, down the road, the containment area is built, different story.

Well, I may be like those people, like my mother, buying plants at Home Depot, filling up the car.....but I can't picture Mom having, driving an M35a2; I can see myself having something like that, though....maybe.

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If you're looking to grow some food since you're starting from scratch it's a good opportunity to look into permaculture.

Basically it's maximizing the advantages that plants provide one another in order to have less work.




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Water and/or electricity first. Unless you have a generator.

I'd skip the containers, two of them would be near the cost of a two or three car garage kit from your building supplier. Build the garage/shop/barn as an outbuilding with simple bath and camp kitchenette. Live in that while building the main house. I think the garage is a nice skill builder as well.

Get a 5x10 trailer for the Forester. If you later need a truck, hit a local auction.

When you get there, nail guns and Dewalt DW718 compound sliding mitre saw. Nail guns can be had used, then resell when you are done. The saw, buy new with a spare blade, sell when done. Same with the truck and trailer, buy used and sell when finished.

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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:00:48 AM

Originally Posted By Snowleopard:
Originally Posted By 36_gauge:

How wide is your property, it can be a great opportunity to get a 6.5 Grendel


Not looking to expand my ammo supply requirements right now, thank you. Like to keep it to .308, 5.56, 9mm, and .22. I don't have a .22 rifle yet but that probably should be added to the arsenal. Any suggestions for a decent vermin gun?

Eventually, I might put a range in, too (and reduce my range fees from my budget), but we shall see.
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308 and 5,56 can be stretched to longer ranges so you're ok there.

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Okay, for someone who has never had a pickup truck (was considering it at the start of this century but others discouraged me and I bought the subaru instead)........what's the consensus?
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Looking at pics of an M35a2, does one change a tire on those things the same way with a car....only bigger and heavier?

..

Another thing that crosses my mind is that if I use shipping containers for storage sheds, what's the consensus thought of piling dirt or other kinds of natural cover (rock, trees, sunflowers, etc) over them so they don't stand out, so my new place doesn't look like a junk heap?

Details, details, details...........
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You need a lot of leverage. I've had to use an 8' length of 1-1/4" pipe to break lugs loose, fortunately such a pipe is easily carried in that truck. The wheels are heavy, unless the flat is on the front or you have 5 tons loaded, it can be driven at reduced speed. Bear in mind these wheels are 3-piece and many tire shops won't work on them because idiots have been killed from improper assembly. The duals are safer as the flange rings are captured, the fronts can blow the flanges off at lethal speed. Inflating newly mounted tires should be done remotely and in a cage.

Manual transmission and manual steering mean these vehicles are a pain to drive. 58 MPH top speed and you must wear hearing protection as they are LOUD. I've driven them thousands of miles. You will spend more time repairing them than driving, wheel cylinders and bearing seals always leak. Unless you have multi-ton loads to haul, get a light truck.

Shipping containers like to rust when buried. There are methods to slow this, coatings are destined to failure (even Carboline Carbo Zinc or equal). Expect 10 year life span or less.
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Assuming that you already have a pickup truck (or can rent/borrow one when you need it):

0. Get all the maps, overhead imagery, etc. of your plot that you can lay your hands on. Print out several copies. Consider getting a laminated custom topo/photo map of the area (via USGS.org).

1. Build/install some sort of temporary shelter (for yourself) and secure storage (for tools and emergency supplies), including provisions for field sanitation (e.g. trench latrine)

2. Have a few "camping weekends" on the land where you walk as much of it as possible and stay overnight in a tent or in your initial shelter, to get a feel for it (preferably during different seasons), before you decide on when/where to put any major infrastructure like well, electrical, house, or septic.

3. Based on your experience from the camping weekends, put in a substantial cache of emergency supplies. TS can HTF tomorrow and it would be ironic if you had the land but absolutely nothing on it.

4. Have a well dug, preferably sized for a manual pump

5. Acquire a way to manually pull water from said well (manual pump or "well bucket"), and a way to store the well water. Even after you get electricity, this will be your backup solution in case the grid goes down or your genny runs out of fuel.

6. If it's affordable, have electricity run to your property, near to where you want to site your house (however, this also has OPSEC downsides since once there is a visible power line people will know the lot is inhabited and may have stuff to steal). If not, get a good generator now, which will help immensely with any construction projects.

7. ?

8. Profit (actually, Lowe's will profit during this stage LOL)


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1. build airstrip
2. have that c130 land
3. Get onthe motherfucker and get the fuck out.
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Originally Posted By Dr-G:
Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:

3. ...you may wish to consider other "off the grid" systems, i.e. wind or solar power. These are no longer "hippy-dippy" solutions to the problem; the technology is quite mature.



I thought I saw a thread somewhere about making your own. Anybody recall this? Maybe it was not here. I'll look.


Could it have been in Aviator's Alaskian cabin topic?

As far as wildlife, on the actual site, I've only seen invertebrates. But in this region, we have lots of deer. Opossums are plentifull as akunks and other vermin. Coyotes, yes, and maybe wild boar.......maybe.

Quite frankly, I expect to see deer.....which the poachers will probably come after.

It may be a little too dry for water fowl.

.....................................had something of a panic reality attack about 30 minutes ago, of when I get this land, of how much I will be responsible for whatever happens on it. I know to get a liability policy, but what happens if we get a wildfire before I get anything on it?

On other things, ought to start shopping around locally to see about those no trespassing signs. Anyone in Texas know of a good source?

Also, what should I be loading my pistol with? Right now, it has hydraschok. I suppose I will have to start having my rifle rounds be soft points?
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After the deed is in your hand, head on down to the courthouse and have the property posted as no trespass. Then get a fence installed and paint the post tops purple with signage to the effect. This will inform everyone the property is a free-fire zone . Most hardware stores have the signs.

XTPs in the handgun, quality soft points in the rifle.

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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:41:21 PM
Originally Posted By Snowleopard:
Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:
Some more notes:

http://www.billboardtarps.com/ surpluses the vinyl billboard signs you see all over. They don't paint a backboard anymore: they print a large vinyl sign and hang it. It's made of sunlight-resistant vinyl.

You haven't said what kind of dag you have, SL; if it's a toy-type dog (poodle e.g.), keep it in the cat run or the house. Be VERY mindful of what I said about coyotes.

As for turning into your mother: I bet there are worse people to turn into!


A Minature Rat Terror, errr, Terrier.

http://www.dogfamily.org/images/rat-terrier-11.jpg

Eventually, there will be other dogs, both working/herding and house. I am not intending to let the current dog run free on the land, even with me. It's too unexplored and she could get away from me and disappear from sight. Plus, I don't think she's ever been around where cactus grows and there is the possibility of snakes as well. She'll say on a leash outside; once, down the road, the containment area is built, different story.

Well, I may be like those people, like my mother, buying plants at Home Depot, filling up the car.....but I can't picture Mom having, driving an M35a2; I can see myself having something like that, though....maybe.

Got to go.
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Oh, my dear... Has your "rat terrior" ever come in close proximity to a skunk? If not, you are in for ... an overly interesting experience.

Find out what works for your neighbors for ''de-skunking" a dog and keep some on hand.
It WILL happen. Especially when you get some more 'herding' dogs.



Not looking to expand my ammo supply requirements right now, thank you. Like to keep it to .308, 5.56, 9mm, and .22. I don't have a .22 rifle yet but that probably should be added to the arsenal. Any suggestions for a decent vermin gun?


A 10-22 rifle should be adequate. You should have a .38 Special or .357 Magnum also; they are great all-around guns and easy to find snake shot for. Yes, snake shot. You don't want to be shooting bullets anywhere near your house (which contains pets and presumably loved ones). Shot is available in most any pistol caliber but usually doesn't reliably work the slide on a semi-auto. Old_Painless has an article about snake shot on his site, theboxotruth.com.
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Water and/or electricity first. Unless you have a generator.

I'd skip the containers, two of them would be near the cost of a two or three car garage kit from your building supplier. Build the garage/shop/barn as an outbuilding with simple bath and camp kitchenette. Live in that while building the main house. I think the garage is a nice skill builder as well.

Get a 5x10 trailer for the Forester. If you later need a truck, hit a local auction.

When you get there, nail guns and Dewalt DW718 compound sliding mitre saw. Nail guns can be had used, then resell when you are done. The saw, buy new with a spare blade, sell when done. Same with the truck and trailer, buy used and sell when finished.



I can't argue with anything CROQ sez, except at least one container. You'll need something substantial to put your Dewalt miter saw and other tools in. You see, anyone who's ever bought power tools knows that they grow legs and just leave home, never to be seen again. They have an annoying habit of behaving like rebellious teenagers, leaving home the first time they find someone they like more than you.
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Electricity. Can't run a water well without it, unless you want to run a generator.

You can still buy a windmill. Aeromotor is here in Texas, the best wind-driven well pump around.




If you cared to expand on the economics of a windmill, I'd read it.


We're hoping to have a well dug soon, and if I could power it via an economical windmill I'd be interested.

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Posted: 6/22/2012 4:53:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Snowleopard:
Okay, for someone who has never had a pickup truck (was considering it at the start of this century but others discouraged me and I bought the subaru instead)........what's the consensus?
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You need something with AT LEAST 8.1 liter engine.

Preferably a dually.

4x4 doesn't mean shit.

20inch lift with 40inch rims, spinners.

This one's pretty classy for example:

http://www.blackclouddiesel.com/Stacks/lippai.jpg

You should also brake check all those lowly peons in their sedans who's faces will become bumper stickers on your truck when they smash into your rear.


Paint job is kind of subdued on that one. Don't you think he should consider a more eye-catching color scheme? Oh, and some naked lady trucker mud flaps?


I think it needs a red/white glossy paint with white stars on blue flames shooting out of the front wheel wells.

and truck nuts, definitely big chrome flesh colored ones.


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Originally Posted By jeepnstein:

Originally Posted By 36_gauge:
Originally Posted By Snowleopard:
Okay, for someone who has never had a pickup truck (was considering it at the start of this century but others discouraged me and I bought the subaru instead)........what's the consensus?
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You need something with AT LEAST 8.1 liter engine.

Preferably a dually.

4x4 doesn't mean shit.

20inch lift with 40inch rims, spinners.

This one's pretty classy for example:

http://www.blackclouddiesel.com/Stacks/lippai.jpg

You should also brake check all those lowly peons in their sedans who's faces will become bumper stickers on your truck when they smash into your rear.


Paint job is kind of subdued on that one. Don't you think he should consider a more eye-catching color scheme? Oh, and some naked lady trucker mud flaps?


I think it needs a red/white glossy paint with white stars on blue flames shooting out of the front wheel wells.

and truck nuts, definitely big chrome flesh colored ones.


I wanna ride your nuts cuz I think you're the man.


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Originally Posted By 36_gauge:
Originally Posted By Alien:
Originally Posted By 36_gauge:
Originally Posted By jeepnstein:

Originally Posted By 36_gauge:
Originally Posted By Snowleopard:
Okay, for someone who has never had a pickup truck (was considering it at the start of this century but others discouraged me and I bought the subaru instead)........what's the consensus?
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You need something with AT LEAST 8.1 liter engine.

Preferably a dually.

4x4 doesn't mean shit.

20inch lift with 40inch rims, spinners.

This one's pretty classy for example:

http://www.blackclouddiesel.com/Stacks/lippai.jpg

You should also brake check all those lowly peons in their sedans who's faces will become bumper stickers on your truck when they smash into your rear.


Paint job is kind of subdued on that one. Don't you think he should consider a more eye-catching color scheme? Oh, and some naked lady trucker mud flaps?


I think it needs a red/white glossy paint with white stars on blue flames shooting out of the front wheel wells.

and truck nuts, definitely big chrome flesh colored ones.


I wanna ride your nuts cuz I think you're the man.


I'm down with that, cowboy


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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By LostX:
Electricity. Can't run a water well without it, unless you want to run a generator.

You can still buy a windmill. Aeromotor is here in Texas, the best wind-driven well pump around.




If you cared to expand on the economics of a windmill, I'd read it.


We're hoping to have a well dug soon, and if I could power it via an economical windmill I'd be interested.


Parts will be in the $3000 range for a 12 foot diameter head and $3000 for a 21 foot tall tower. The pumping section will depend on depth to water, figure on $25/foot to water depth plus tower height.

A full package will consider your water needs, wind averages and depth to water. If the permanent water table is less than 100 feet, the smaller units work fine to get you 500 gallons per day. A cistern is a must, it will get you through the lulls and is also part of the total system package. Polyethylene is the best, cypress is next but harder to clean.

Plus they look quaint. They are fairly immune to problems but need lubrication. Also, storms can tear them up. Eventually, you will need to pull the sucker rod and pumping section, this is a good deal of work. If you have to pull the entire pumping section, you will enjoy aluminum pipe wrenches and a small winch. Grandpa used cast iron wrenches with a block and tackle.

Yes, it costs much more than a submersible electric BUT you can do all the service easily. Keep a pump cup on hand with a few spare sucker rod sections (they can corrode or wear out). Also get a fishing tool for when the sucker rod drops so you don't need to pull the string. This drops down the bore of the pipe and captures a broken sucker rod. Using the rope attached to the tool, you pull the broken sucker rod up.
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How wide is your property, it can be a great opportunity to get a 6.5 Grendel


Not looking to expand my ammo supply requirements right now, thank you. Like to keep it to .308, 5.56, 9mm, and .22. I don't have a .22 rifle yet but that probably should be added to the arsenal. Any suggestions for a decent vermin gun?

Eventually, I might put a range in, too (and reduce my range fees from my budget), but we shall see.
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Originally Posted By Keith_J:

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Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By LostX:
Electricity. Can't run a water well without it, unless you want to run a generator.

You can still buy a windmill. Aeromotor is here in Texas, the best wind-driven well pump around.




If you cared to expand on the economics of a windmill, I'd read it.


We're hoping to have a well dug soon, and if I could power it via an economical windmill I'd be interested.


Parts will be in the $3000 range for a 12 foot diameter head and $3000 for a 21 foot tall tower. The pumping section will depend on depth to water, figure on $25/foot to water depth plus tower height.

A full package will consider your water needs, wind averages and depth to water. If the permanent water table is less than 100 feet, the smaller units work fine to get you 500 gallons per day. A cistern is a must, it will get you through the lulls and is also part of the total system package. Polyethylene is the best, cypress is next but harder to clean.

Plus they look quaint. They are fairly immune to problems but need lubrication. Also, storms can tear them up. Eventually, you will need to pull the sucker rod and pumping section, this is a good deal of work. If you have to pull the entire pumping section, you will enjoy aluminum pipe wrenches and a small winch. Grandpa used cast iron wrenches with a block and tackle.

Yes, it costs much more than a submersible electric BUT you can do all the service easily. Keep a pump cup on hand with a few spare sucker rod sections (they can corrode or wear out). Also get a fishing tool for when the sucker rod drops so you don't need to pull the string. This drops down the bore of the pipe and captures a broken sucker rod. Using the rope attached to the tool, you pull the broken sucker rod up.


Thanks! That gives me something to ponder over the course of the next few months.

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Having been in, and helped others in a similar situation, I would suggest trying to avoid "double-spending" money unless you can flip the stuff you buy without loosing your butt. Camper Trailers, military trucks, etc are really cool & fun if that's something you want to keep. If you are on a budget & ultimate goal is to develop you're new property, I'd try to do without things you don't plan to keep.

If i were to do it, i would have a metal building constructed that would serve as a detached garage for your eventual house. Have the well drilled, and full electrical service for the eventual house run & mounted in the garage, or attached pump house.

WATER & ELECTRIC: Have the garage built close enough to the well that you can build a lean-to off the shed to enclose & protect the well. I would put the well outside the footprint of your garage to allow a well driller to pull & service/replace the pump from directly above using his boom truck. Putting it under the lean-to will allow removing just that small roof portion to pull the pump, rather than your larger garage roof.

I've read about variable speed submersible pumps that don't demand large startup elect, so they can be used w/ smaller generators, off grid systems, etc. I also recently about a hand pump that can be used in the same well casing as a submersible pump. These allow you to independently pump smaller quants of water by hand if the grid is down.

If you go this attached pump-house route, consider accessing this shed only from inside your garage = like a closet for security, & have your elect meter & panel attached to it. This would make a great, secure, central location for your energy & water.

If you ever want to use a backup generator, you might make the pump lean-to big enough to eventually house one. You'll need to intake & exhaust to outside, but that can be plumbed in later. This shed can also make a handy room to contain a loud air compressor. To me, Having all these important items plumbed into one central location saves money on wiring, plumbing & building expenses in the long run, & really cleans up the yard & installation. Makes important, expensive things easier to secure, too. Maybe allow 4'x4' for the pump, 4'x4' for the compressor, and 4'x8' for the generator, so maybe 4'x16' for the whole thing.

If you want a place to stay before you build the house, it would be simple to plan a very small efficiency in the garage that u can AC with a small window unit. An extra bathroom is always nice to have in the garage, so this may be useful for the long run. A plastic 55 gal drum & small drain field will work well for one guy for a long time. You could, of course, have the full septic put in for the house, & Plumb it in to the garage too.

If you can afford it, spraying the whole inside of the metal building with closed cell foam can make a tremendous difference in the temps. The stuff they offer to sell you with the metal buildings is absolute garbage.


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Originally Posted By LostX:
Electricity. Can't run a water well without it, unless you want to run a generator.

You can still buy a windmill. Aeromotor is here in Texas, the best wind-driven well pump around.




If you cared to expand on the economics of a windmill, I'd read it.


We're hoping to have a well dug soon, and if I could power it via an economical windmill I'd be interested.



These are low-flow 12 VDC systems. They have the advantage of providing free energy to pump the water out of the ground. Their disadvantage is that they pump very slowly. A 220 VAC pump will fill a large tank in a few hours, then shut off; these systems must run all the time.

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Next electricity.

For the garage, just put a standard one in, or put a small efficiency apartment or bedroom over it.
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I was out at my ranch yesterday. First of all, ZERO bars on the cell phone, no signal out at least.

It's about a tenth of a mile wide with essentially the highest point being at the entrance.

Travel time, it's about 30 minutes away from town and civilization. That's the way it is where I live; in five minutes by bike in three directions, one can be on a country road. For the ranch, in the surrounding lands, there's a fire station, perhaps a church or two, little closer to town maybe, perhaps a farm business.

But the nearest gas station and convenience store is almost 30 minutes away with grocery stores and civilization about 5 minutes after that. That's the way this town is, one moment you are out, the next moment you are in.

Heading out my direction, especially when getting close, it is "peaks and valleys" with a lot of valleys. Driving out yesterday when I was on the final road, I was often wondering if I was on the right road, the surroundings so different from my ranch.

This was my first trip on my own, the realitor drove the first time, and I was seeing if I knew the way in my mind. Saw deer and road runners on my way back.

Especially because the lack of cell phone, one thing I need to add to my plans is becoming a Ham operator. I need to check with the landline phone company to see if they go out that far, they should, but I'm paranoid of perhaps going down and not having a reliable way of sending out a distress signal.

Further, I need to figure out how much I need the internet at home; my work place is the Net so it is not like I would be totally cut off.

As such, all things considered, being off the grid is more of emergency measures than the eventual day to day living. Yes, I am thinking of generators, windmills.....and a solar system of a sort for a water column to feed a turbine, but I can't see that powering all my power needs every day year round. It might come to that some day in a way, such as if I am using the grid to keep my batteries topped.

I'm not a survalist; I am "the girl with lots of backup plans"........and as an engineer, I have the mind to figure out how to do them.

Keep the ideas coming in, please, including insurance. I talked with my company yesterday and they don't do it on undeveloped land, so I shall have to look around.
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one thing I need to add to my plans is becoming a Ham operator.


By all means, check out the forum at Outdoors>> Ham Radios. You will see lots of people who have made many of the same mistakes are experiencing the same learning curve that you are! And the ham radio license has never been easier to get!

Link.

If you don't have landline, you can still get satellite internet service. If you DO have landline, you can get a sort of hybrid system, in which your signal TO the ISP goes through a landline, but the ISP's signal comes down via satellite link.

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Originally Posted By Tony-Ri:
Originally Posted By LostX:
Electricity. Can't run a water well without it, unless you want to run a generator.


http://www.texasescapes.com/TexasHillCountryTowns/SisterdaleTexas/SisterdaleTxHandWaterPump1207BG.jpg

OP must be a city boy.


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Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By Tony-Ri:
Originally Posted By LostX:
Electricity. Can't run a water well without it, unless you want to run a generator.


http://www.texasescapes.com/TexasHillCountryTowns/SisterdaleTexas/SisterdaleTxHandWaterPump1207BG.jpg

OP must be a city boy.




i made that mistake once.

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one thing I need to add to my plans is becoming a Ham operator.


By all means, check out the forum at Outdoors>> Ham Radios. You will see lots of people who have made many of the same mistakes are experiencing the same learning curve that you are! And the ham radio license has never been easier to get!

Link.

If you don't have landline, you can still get satellite internet service. If you DO have landline, you can get a sort of hybrid system, in which your signal TO the ISP goes through a landline, but the ISP's signal comes down via satellite link.

YOU are living the dream! You go, girl!


Well just reading a little of the link tells me that the antennae needs to be on high land. Now, in the eventual house, maybe, it might be up atop the observation silo, a place to gaze at the stars......and watch the grounds in places the cameras won't cover.

Thank you for the dream encouragement; with as much work as this ranch is going to be (one of the reasons why it is cheaper, its remoteness and lack of easy house construction), I am doing a constant reality check on myself.
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Okay, for someone who has never had a pickup truck (was considering it at the start of this century but others discouraged me and I bought the subaru instead)........what's the consensus?
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Someone asked earlier where the ranch is. If I didn't answer before, in Texas hill country.

Looking over the letter a gf sent me last year, all she posts about what she does (has a horse farm in coastal plains Texas), the internet may not be that much of an issue because I may not have the time to be on it away from work. I may not need cable. More later.
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Water and/or electricity first. Unless you have a generator.

I'd skip the containers, two of them would be near the cost of a two or three car garage kit from your building supplier. Build the garage/shop/barn as an outbuilding with simple bath and camp kitchenette. Live in that while building the main house. I think the garage is a nice skill builder as well.

Get a 5x10 trailer for the Forester. If you later need a truck, hit a local auction.

When you get there, nail guns and Dewalt DW718 compound sliding mitre saw. Nail guns can be had used, then resell when you are done. The saw, buy new with a spare blade, sell when done. Same with the truck and trailer, buy used and sell when finished.



Anyone with thoughts on how to go about building a garage with an apartment inside? Such as kits or other approaches?

One thing that occurs to me is that I will probably need some kind of office in that apartment since I still have to run aspects of the business of the family at times. That means, in part, getting the files in the best, most compact order I can in the next six months. Since I need an office, it will be probably be a combination office/dining room table/even command/communications.

When I mentioned to my boss that I had no cell phone out there, he suggested talking to the company about a "mini tower?". Probably put my radios, both those I have now and those I'll get in the future, in there as well.

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temporary shelter that will later be your storage shed. Add water and power. I have thought about writing a book about this, starting with a large piece of raw land, ending up with orchards, vineyards, working gardens, but I am no sure where to begin. It would be an enourmous project just to write about it and has taken me a decade to get where I am now.
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Congrats! I would think the well and septic and power would be my top 3 concerns.


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That is only a cistern pump not a well pump. We paid around 1700 for the hand pump then I installed it myself. cistern pum only goes down so far, real well pump goes hundreds of feet.
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Originally Posted By LostX:
Electricity. Can't run a water well without it, unless you want to run a generator.


http://www.texasescapes.com/TexasHillCountryTowns/SisterdaleTexas/SisterdaleTxHandWaterPump1207BG.jpg


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Water first, if you don't have it, will you haul it or change your mind on this property? Electricity can be generated on site at any point if grid is unavailable.

I don't know who your local building supply is, so here is mine. Check each and peruse the search strings at the left as some have rooms/offices built into the plan.

Residential post frame kits

Post frames

Garages

The good news is, I believe you can buy the plans for a few bucks and have the parts list to take to your local supplier. Your local guys would probably deliver the whole load with one truck. I've read that the big chain suppliers have crappy wood so you may want to hit up a real lumber yard. I either cull the wood myself or buy twice as much and return the crap. No matter where I go, the wood is crappy.

I'd pick the type of kit based on what you will need after the house is built. Shop, garage, studio, storage, animals, office etc. Remember to keep it fairly small so you can build it quickly. If you plan on living and working in it while you build the rest, you will need insulation. That would be kind of a waste on a three car garage. However, if the space will be inhabited later, ie office, it's done. Then again, insulation may not be a great expense depending on type and size of project. Could simply insulate the living area.

All the tools you will need will fit in the back of your Forester while you get the first building up. It's just a pain to take 20 minutes to unload in the morning and 20 minutes to put it all back in the car at night when you are dog tired. In the beginning of my current project I kept everything in the Durango until I had four walls and a door up. Then I stored all the tools inside and commenced the second story. I only have a maximum of 3 hours a day to work on it so loading and unloading was a big waste of time. I think it took me 12 hours spread over 4 days to get the floor, walls and door up on a 12'x16' shed.

When you start on the house(phase2), put your tools in a two wheel, wheel barrow. Push it from storage to work site and then it's easy to pick stuff up at the end of the day and push back to storage. Chop saw is on wheels as well. Walking back and forth carrying things on a construction site eats up a lot of time. Have your supplies close but not in the way of working. Use the wheel barrow to move a bunch of studs at once, rather than carry 2 or 4 at a time. Learn to drag or slide sheet goods rather than pick each sheet up, walk 30 feet and lay it down. A good shove and it will slide across the floor decking or you pick up one end and slide the other over floor joists and studs. Small things save time and save your back. I can pick up 200 pounds all day long, but if I try to pick up a hammer without thinking about it I'm crippled for 2 days.

There is a military manual on rigging that has a great section on gin poles and block and tackle. Gin poles are great for standing walls or unloading a trailer full of heavy stuff if you are on your own. I like to glue everything in sight, so after framing the walls on the ground, I'll glue the sheathing on the wall then stand it by myself with the poles. Poles are as simple as two 2x4's, depending on what you are lifting. I am sure pros have a better way of doing things. They do make a wall standing jack but for me 2x4's are cheaper.

Do you have friends or cheap labor available, or are you doing this solo?

I wanted to mention, if you have renters insurance for your current home, check and see how much they cover away from home. If I leave tools at the park and they turn up missing, I am covered 10% of my full coverage, as long as I am not engaged in for profit enterprise at the park. $2000 to $3000 should be plenty for any tools you have left on site. I believe mine covers theft out of my car as well. $100 to $200 a year to replace(save deductible) anything that goes missing is not bad.

Woops, I rambled.

This is what most of a 2 story 12'x16' gambrel shed looks like on a trailer.


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I'm not a survalist; I am "the girl with lots of backup plans"........and as an engineer, I have the mind to figure out how to do them.


I'm not survivalist either, I just have... contingency plans.

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Water first, if you don't have it, will you haul it or change your mind on this property? Electricity can be generated on site at any point if grid is unavailable.

I don't know who your local building supply is, so here is mine. Check each and peruse the search strings at the left as some have rooms/offices built into the plan.

Residential post frame kits

Post frames

Garages

The good news is, I believe you can buy the plans for a few bucks and have the parts list to take to your local supplier. Your local guys would probably deliver the whole load with one truck. I've read that the big chain suppliers have crappy wood so you may want to hit up a real lumber yard. I either cull the wood myself or buy twi

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have left on site. I believe mine covers theft out of my car as well. $100 to $200 a year to replace(save deductible) anything that goes missing is not bad.

Woops, I rambled.

This is what most of a 2 story 12'x16' gambrel shed looks like on a trailer.


http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6867/dsc1450copy.jpg


What's it look like after it's been removed from the trailer and installed?
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Today, a truck carrying industrial micro ball bearings overturned on the highway, causing a hydroplane effect for any car driving on them. They had to close down the highway for hours while they cleaned up that mess.

No, not really, but they did have to close down the highway for something and I had to stay at home since I couldn't leave. Now, on one side, that will be a good thing about having a ranch in that I will be far away from the highway, the frontage roads, and won't have to put up with these things anymore. But on the other hand, usually where ever one is, there is a road needed to get there and it is always possible that something can take out a portion of that road.

The ranch is pretty isolated and as stated before, about 30 minutes away from town. While it is several roads to get there, it is still essentially one path back to civilization. I'm on pretty high ground but there are a lot of low places on that path and a flood could wash them out.

In the long term, that means having good plans to bug out with, such as with wild fires. Thinking of investing in a STOL, down the road.

In the short term, it reinforces to me that part of the set up plan needs to be a good communication setup. Not at first, of course, but it needs to be in the plan for part of the set up so it doesn't get buried and then have to be dug out, so to speak.

I was dreaming of maybe getting away from the technical life, of having to go to the local "post office" (FEDEX) for my non voice communications, but that's just not practical. I need to have comms, I need to have access to the Net, I need to be able to send and receive faxes.........still wondering if I can get away from cable.

Curiously enough, though, in one way, it is sort of like living in the past. This need for comms, maybe having a STOL or copter in a barn.....sounds sort of like "Skippy".

Different question: what kind of first aid supplies to have on site?

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A few gross of these:
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Okay, that's a poke at me and some of my odd posts......but in a way, it is not entirely out of place.

Spending so much money, living so far out in the country in a place that is hilly, prickly, full of rock................................I am often asking myself, doing a reality check.
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Building? Go for the all-metal building. You can build an apartment inside, complete with insulation and air conditioning.

Get a well. Most will steer you to a submersible pump as it is easy to install, a generator is cheaper than a windmill for short term. You could look into a wind generator later.

Fencing with gates is a must. Forget putting one in now, too hot.
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Building? Go for the all-metal building. You can build an apartment inside, complete with insulation and air conditioning.

Get a well. Most will steer you to a submersible pump as it is easy to install, a generator is cheaper than a windmill for short term. You could look into a wind generator later.

Fencing with gates is a must. Forget putting one in now, too hot.


As it is, there is a gate and fencing (posts and wire) already on the property.
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Let's talk bail outs for a moment and how such a vehicle might be used to help build the ranch.

For example, there are a lot of cedar stumps that are like "starbursts" (vertical shaft about 3 feet high with shorter shafts angling out at the base) that will need to be pulled. That's beyond the Forester's capability so what else might I want to be using?
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Let's talk bail outs for a moment and how such a vehicle might be used to help build the ranch.

For example, there are a lot of cedar stumps that are like "starbursts" (vertical shaft about 3 feet high with shorter shafts angling out at the base) that will need to be pulled. That's beyond the Forester's capability so what else might I want to be using?
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As good a time as any to buy a tractor.
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As good a time as any to buy a tractor.


Just about.....though I would need a place to park it and I don't have that yet.

Speaking of such things, as I look at the auction "block", I could pick up two female donkeys and one male donkey for a total cost of about $35.....before fees and taxes, I'm sure.

Don't have a place to put them, either, and the cats and dog would raise a fit!
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As good a time as any to buy a tractor.


Just about.....though I would need a place to park it and I don't have that yet.

Speaking of such things, as I look at the auction "block", I could pick up two female donkeys and one male donkey for a total cost of about $35.....before fees and taxes, I'm sure.

Don't have a place to put them, either, and the cats and dog would raise a fit!
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Is that male donkey neutered? You could breed them for SHTF food source and cheap transportation. Can donkeys be fed alfalfa? Maybe you could grow some.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:35:01 AM
Originally Posted By LostX:
Electricity. Can't run a water well without it, unless you want to run a generator.


City slicker.
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