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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By California_Kid:

Originally Posted By Prime:

Oysters during summer months are a bad idea for this reason....


That's certainly true for Gulf of America oysters, but you can get safe ones from the Pacific Northwest (Washington state and British Columbia.)

Originally Posted By FrankSL:
There's a reason they include lemons with oysters....

Copious amounts of alcohol are also recommended.


BINGO! lol
if they are selling oysters down here after May then you need to watch out...
have always said if the oysters have a pink hue or have a glossy slime look to them....dont even touch them.

also for some reason a good indicator is if the beach is covered in seaweed and stinks....dont eat the oysters
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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:23:29 AM
Originally Posted By VBC:

That must be why the marine fisheries regulators close many waters to shellfish harvesting due to bacteria levels being too high in the water. Harvesting of oysters is highly regulated in the US. The watermen used to go so far as to take pot shots at the gov't boats around here.

Presumably, oysters from approved shellfish waters that are handled correctly, then cooked properly are safe to consume.

Good info.




Oysters are really, really good at collecting and concentrating bacteria and their toxins. Shellfish in general harbor Vibrio species, including V. cholerae which causes cholera. Fisheries and oceangoing ships have been implicated in the spread of cholera in some outbreaks. The shellfish harbor the bacteria, the ships draw contaminated coastal water into their ballast tanks, then they travel around the world and pump out the ballast water at a different port.

The worst of the cholera bugs–– just like the worst of the E. coli–– pick up new virulence tricks by taking up plasmids (circular viral chromosomes that act as genetic parasites of the bacteria and sometimes teach them disease-causing tricks that are more in the virus' interest than in the bacteria's).

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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:31:35 AM
Why do you think it's E.coli?
Probably a Vibrio, or even Hep A
I'd suggest you get checked
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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:34:34 AM
Are you sure it's not from a dinner pic gone wrong?
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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:38:12 AM
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Pussy. I contracted a parasite infection in the Philippines last year. Put me on meds, was fucked up for two weeks. Had to get an IV. Residual effects lasted months. Thought I was dying.

Seriously. I feel for ya! The above was horrible to go through.


What parasite was it, if you don't mind me asking


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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:46:24 AM
I'm still alive. Probably slept two hours last night.... Fuck I am sore for some reason. Pale, fever, and a massive headache.


I believe it's E.Coli because four of us had oysters late Sunday evening. My brother (doctor) along with his wife, are sick as well.

I've scrounged the house for electrolytes but I can't find anything.


Brawndo has what I crave. It's got electrolytes.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:10:35 AM

Get somebody to bring you some gatorade and drink it in equal volumes with water. One glass of water with every glass of gatorade. You can dilute it 1:1 with water, too, but then it tastes like crap.

There are also oral rehydration recipes out there on the internet that normally call for a few teaspoons of sugar + 1/2 tsp of salt + some lemon juice or other fruit juice to taste in a glass of water.

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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:18:08 AM

Originally Posted By red_on_black:
Originally Posted By VBC:

Fair enough, but we're talking about oysters (and I'm assuming ones in the shell that are not dead prior to cooking). Are there any bacterial toxins associated with raw oysters that are not heat labile?

I'm curious for my own safety because I eat these things too.



The short answer is 'yes'. The longer answer is that there are many, many toxins out there and new ones are discovered and characterized yearly.

So far as oysters go, saxitoxin is one of the nastiest known foodborne toxins and it is stable at high temperatures. Cooking doesn't inactivate it and its effects can last a long time. This is the toxin that causes illness during red tides when people eat contaminated shellfish. Ciguatera is a similar intoxication caused by eating contaminated reef fish like barracuda (though not all barracuda are toxic and the larger ones tend to carry more toxin). The toxins involved in ciguatera are also not inactivated by heat.

Shellfish contaminated with Staphylococcus species after harvest (normally during handling and prep) can contain toxic levels of heat stable Staph toxins.

Unfortunately, the list goes on.

So I should just stick with bacon instead of the snot-on-a-halfshell, right?

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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:22:02 AM

Originally Posted By KiowaCreekRaider:
Why do you think it's E.coli?
Probably a Vibrio, or even Hep A
I'd suggest you get checked

Good Lord, Man! Not only was he eating questionable ersters, but he was dating Pam Anderson too?
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:27:49 AM

Originally Posted By EasTexan:
Fuck my fucking life right now.

Had Oysters Sunday evening. They caught up with me apparently on Tuesday morning.

I'm having a good moment right now as I just puked a few minutes ago.




Pray for me...

Your life is going to suck for a couple weeks to a month...enjoy

I know salmonella really sucked when I got it.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:28:56 AM
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So I should just stick with bacon instead of the snot-on-a-halfshell, right?




I eat oysters every chance I get. I've had food poisoning before (but not from oysters). If you have shellfish that is in any way suspect, don't eat it. Cooking cannot reliably decontaminate spoiled or contaminated food.

So far as bacon goes, try wrapping some scallops with it and grilling.

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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:36:16 AM
Originally Posted By red_on_black:
Originally Posted By VBC:

Fair enough, but we're talking about oysters (and I'm assuming ones in the shell that are not dead prior to cooking). Are there any bacterial toxins associated with raw oysters that are not heat labile?

I'm curious for my own safety because I eat these things too.



The short answer is 'yes'. The longer answer is that there are many, many toxins out there and new ones are discovered and characterized yearly.

So far as oysters go, saxitoxin is one of the nastiest known foodborne toxins and it is stable at high temperatures. Cooking doesn't inactivate it and its effects can last a long time. This is the toxin that causes illness during red tides when people eat contaminated shellfish. Ciguatera is a similar intoxication caused by eating contaminated reef fish like barracuda (though not all barracuda are toxic and the larger ones tend to carry more toxin). The toxins involved in ciguatera are also not inactivated by heat.

Shellfish contaminated with Staphylococcus species after harvest (normally during handling and prep) can contain toxic levels of heat stable Staph toxins.

Unfortunately, the list goes on.



I used to love raw oysters, then the hepatitis thing came along. I love my liver more. But there was always gumbo and oyster Po Boys.

So, now they're out!?!



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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:45:11 AM

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Dibs on.................wtf is left???


Jack shit apparently.



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Hope you pull through quickly O.P.

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Feel better.
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Ft. Detrick MD ought to get the recipe from Mexico and weaponize that shit. Drop it on Syria, Iran, etc. Guaranteed no shoot zone for 3 days. Walk in and take over.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:05:38 PM
From now on, skip the oysters.

Stick with the mussels.

















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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:17:15 PM

Originally Posted By EasTexan:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
New flash, everyone has Escherichia coli. Food borne illness also hits within the first 24 hours.


Quite aware of that, Keith.

This is the strain that makes you shit uncontrollably.

24-72 hours for it to hit from what the doc just said.

Sorry to indulge in pedantic nitpicking, but unless the doctor took a stool sample and had the lab analyze it then he has no clue what is causing your symptoms.

Could be Vibrio, could be a virus, could be something besides the oysters. You just have to treat the symptoms and seek medical attention if they don't go away within three or four days.
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I'm really sorry to hear that.




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Rub some dirt in it and walk it off.

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Stay thirsty my friend.





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Posted: 6/20/2012 9:46:54 PM
Originally Posted By kaos:
From now on, skip the oysters.

Stick with the mussels.


Nope, had a family consume some a few years ago here. They were contaminated from red tide. One of the little children didn't pull through. Be careful with all seafoods.
















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Posted: 6/20/2012 10:49:49 PM
Originally Posted By Prime:

Oysters during summer months are a bad idea for this reason.

Good luck with your pooping.





I'm not trying to be insensitive or anything, but that's funny as hell.
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Go to WalMart or a supplement store and get some Activated charcoal, the contents of to capsules and dump then in a a cup of room temperature water, because cold water ids often a shock to a sore stomach, swirl it around and swill it down.

The charcoal binds the E.Coli. and ends it's abilty to multiply and your body will clean up the last of of the offending bacteria. It will put a stop to diahrrea, gas and vomiting and you should good as new in 2 hours.

Get some unsweetened yogurt in after you have been back to normal for, say, 12 hours.
it replenishes the good bacteria in your gut. Look for the brand with the most varied active cultures listed.

If you have lost a lot of fluid don't forget to get some Pedialyte or at least some bland form of Gatorade.

Hope you feel better.
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You still alive?

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Posted: 6/23/2012 12:10:33 AM
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
New flash, everyone has Escherichia coli. Food borne illness also hits within the first 24 hours.


From wikipedia:

"Escherichia coli (play /ˌɛʃɨˈrɪkiə ˈkoʊlaɪ/;[1] commonly abbreviated E. coli) is a Gram-negative, rod-shaped bacterium that is commonly found in the lower intestine of warm-blooded organisms (endotherms). Most E. coli strains are harmless, but some serotypes can cause serious food poisoning in humans, and are occasionally responsible for product recalls due to food contamination.[2][3] The harmless strains are part of the normal flora of the gut, and can benefit their hosts by producing vitamin K2,[4] and by preventing the establishment of pathogenic bacteria within the intestine.[5][6]

E. coli and related bacteria constitute about 0.1% of gut flora,[7] and fecal-oral transmission is the major route through which pathogenic strains of the bacterium cause disease. Cells are able to survive outside the body for a limited amount of time, which makes them ideal indicator organisms to test environmental samples for fecal contamination.[9] There is, however, a growing body of research that has examined environmentally persistent E. coli which can survive for extended periods of time outside of the host.[10] The bacterium can also be grown easily and inexpensively in a laboratory setting, and has been intensively investigated for over 60 years. E. coli is the most widely studied prokaryotic model organism,[citation needed] and an important species in the fields of biotechnology and microbiology, where it has served as the host organism for the majority of work with recombinant DNA."
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Yes. Still alive. FInally getting back to regular eating habits today.

I'm still sluggish and my stomach is still queasy. I have been drinking pedialyte like water...

Fever went away last night, but it was never really high (99.8 at the highest).

Been using the BRAT diet.

Bananas
Rice
Applesauce
Toast




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Posted: 6/23/2012 12:31:15 AM

Originally Posted By Prime:

Oysters during summer months are a bad idea for this reason.

Good luck with your pooping peeing out of your butthole.



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Posted: 6/23/2012 12:33:13 AM
It would kill ECH7. I work with it every day.


Originally Posted By red_on_black:
Originally Posted By VBC:
Originally Posted By pilotman:
Raw or cooked?
I don't eat raw oysters. I've been to their house, so to speak. It's nasty.


Cooking them should have killed any nasties.

Waters receiving the raw sewage from neglected household septic systems probably produce some fat, tastey oysters.




Not really. Even if you kill all of the bacteria in tainted food, it can still be toxic. Some bacterial toxins are not heat labile (destroyed by heating), so even after cooking there can be sufficient toxin to make you very sick.

Some food poisoning is caused by invasive bacteria. Other types are caused by the effects of toxins bacteria left in the food prior to cooking.





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Both times I've had it I was puking within 3 hours. I don't eat fast food fresh vegetables anymore. Nothing can cause an epiphany about fast food as well as simultaneously pissing out of your ass and projectile vomiting in a trash can.

I got it so bad from Taco Bell that it gave me shingles and almost shut down my kidneys. No department I contacted gave a shit. Taco Bell offered me a free meal card. I should have sued but was told it's next to impossible with out a vomit or stool sample.
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Posted: 6/23/2012 2:53:13 AM

Originally Posted By EasTexan:
I thought of you today, and not in a ghey way.

I finally decided to try some Greek yogurt. It was Dannon's Oikos brand. It hit my gut, much rumbling ensued and eventually shotgunned out the back side not too long thereafter.


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Well, look at the bright side. It's better than having AIDS. Or being a shit your own pants drunk.

Since neither of those things describe you, go to a doctor, get it fixed, and have a happy life.


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I had E coli food poisoning in 1996 from McDonalds chicken nuggets. I was in the hospital within 3 hours of eating it. They gave me enough phenergren to stop an...well you get the idea.


This means a McDonalds worker took a dump, got shit on their hands, didn't wash their hands, then prepared your chicken nuggets.

Basically, you ate the feces of a random McDonalds worker. Have a nice day!
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I had E coli food poisoning in 1996 from McDonalds chicken nuggets. I was in the hospital within 3 hours of eating it. They gave me enough phenergren to stop an...well you get the idea.


This means a McDonalds worker took a dump, got shit on their hands, didn't wash their hands, then prepared your chicken nuggets.

Basically, you ate the feces of a random McDonalds worker. Have a nice day!
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Posted: 6/23/2012 6:53:15 AM
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Originally Posted By bcw107:
I had E coli food poisoning in 1996 from McDonalds chicken nuggets. I was in the hospital within 3 hours of eating it. They gave me enough phenergren to stop an...well you get the idea.


This means a McDonalds worker took a dump, got shit on their hands, didn't wash their hands, then prepared your chicken nuggets.

Basically, you ate the feces of a random McDonalds worker. Have a nice day!


I thought that was to be somewhat expected and part of the experience of eating at McDonald's.
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Well, look at the bright side. It's better than having AIDS. Or being a shit your own pants drunk.

Since neither of those things describe you, go to a doctor, get it fixed, and have a happy life.


Right?


Its better than having AIDS
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BTDT...

Try consuming liquids... get some Gatorade or equivalent and try to keep some down.

I went through that a few years ago... lasted the better part of a week.


If you get terribly dehydrated drink pedialyte.
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