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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:31:05 AM EST
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"The behemoth Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is seeking up to 7,000 select fire (meaning that they are capable of both semi-automatic and automatic fire) 5.56x45mm North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) personal defense weapons (PDWs) on top of the hundreds of millions of hollow point rounds they recently acquired."

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http://theintelhub.com/2012/06/12/dhs-agencies-to-buy-up-to-7000-new-5-56x45mm-nato-personal-defense-weapons/
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Are we finally going to secure the southern border?

I feel safer already!

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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:36:16 AM EST
sweet! good for them
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I don't have a problem with this.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:39:11 AM EST
Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south.

If the price of collateral damage is high enough, you might be able to get paid to bring ammunition home with you
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:39:18 AM EST
7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees?

Oh teh noes.

Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:39:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By AKMfreak:
Are we they finally going to secure pacify the southern borderRed States?

I feel safer already!



FIFY
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:40:13 AM EST
nothing to see here move along
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
Originally Posted By AKMfreak:
Are we they finally going to secure pacify the southern borderRed States?

I feel safer already!



FIFY


lol. ty

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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:41:31 AM EST
Wait..

A law enforcement organization purchasing arm's and ammo, must be plotting something.

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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:43:04 AM EST
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7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees?

Oh teh noes.

Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE.


This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon......
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:43:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
Originally Posted By AKMfreak:
Are we they finally going to secure pacify the southern borderRed States?

I feel safer already!



FIFY


it will take more than small arms to pacify us red folk
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:44:55 AM EST
is the PDW made by Magpul?
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:46:15 AM EST
ICE guys can't shoot that well.
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Originally Posted By Will:
Originally Posted By Spade:
7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees?

Oh teh noes.

Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE.


This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon......


I dunno, but they have a lot of guys who use guns. And they're like any other mechanical device. They wear out.

Not that I don't expect this topic to be viewed any less stupidly then the DHS ammo purchase one (despite my vain attempts to educate people about what IDIQ means).

ETA: If you want to find out how many they've already bought, start searching the contract award listings. They should be in there.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:50:09 AM EST
Me thinks those guns won't be intended for non-citizens mostly. Their intended enemy isn't foreigners. They've proven that time again whenever you fly. DHS is making air travel a touching experience...

And yeah, I'm LE in a border state.
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Fast and Furious part 2 (alternatively 2 Fast 2 furious).
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ARFCOMS got more than that.....
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How is TSA supposed to load the cattle cars if they aren't armed?
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Please be the SCAR PDW. Then please FN sell a semi-auto only SBR version to the public
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260 Million firearms in private hands in the US.
if each of them is loaded with TWO rounds
they and their 7k guns and hundreds of millions of rounds are STILL hopelessly outnumbered!
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Given the current administration and the folks the foreigner in chief has put in places of authority, I can see no good coming from purchases like this.
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Most DHS employees have never touched, let alone qualified, with a long gun. Some places dont even have them in their armory.
New agency needs to build its armories. Having two shotguns to qualifiy hundreds of people a year sucks.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:05:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south.



That's the first thing I thought when I read the title.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:08:49 AM EST
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Something tells me they are for citizens...
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Means it will be easier to acquire something with a fun switch should should things go south.




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Originally Posted By Will:
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7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees?

Oh teh noes.

Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE.


This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon......


Kinda hard to come after free men with a pencil.
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south.



And this.
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Originally Posted By MIDGAPATRIOT:
Originally Posted By Will:
Originally Posted By Spade:
7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees?

Oh teh noes.

Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE.


This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon......


Kinda hard to come after free men with a pencil.


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Funny, look who's actually buying the "Assault Rifles"...


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How long are the barrels? 10"? 12"? 16"?
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Originally Posted By Texdiver:
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south.



That's the first thing I thought when I read the title.


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Guns dont win wars by themselves.

..........people do, and only if they are properly motivated.

Get ready for some major fear mongering to occur before they go for the killshot.
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The Zetas should be happy to be getting new guns
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south.



Don't you mean if things go north?
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Originally Posted By D233:
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south.



Don't you mean if things go north?

Considering my location things could go both ways.
If the price of collateral damage is high enough, you might be able to get paid to bring ammunition home with you
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Originally Posted By Will:
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7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees?

Oh teh noes.

Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE.


This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon......


Most of their employees won't receive a rifle either, so it balances out.
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Any time a contract like this is secured for a large number of guns, there are more than one three letter agency can dip into it. They end up with the bulk of them (usually), but some guns will go here and there.
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Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Any time a contract like this is secured for a large number of guns, there are more than one three letter agency can dip into it. They end up with the bulk of them (usually), but some guns will go here and there.


Better ballistic fingerpint and GPS tag the ones going to the ATF.
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Math Fail in the article
Furthermore, they state that every firearm will be tested with a whopping 4,000 rounds, meaning that 28,000 rounds will be spent just testing the firearms before they are put into service.

Government Logic- 7,000 x 4,000= 28,000= Obamanomics 101
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And just like the ammunition purchase, this is a group purchase for all of the DHS agencies.
The Coast Guard alone could use 7000 new rifles.
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Funny, look who's actually buying the "Assault Rifles"...


TXL


Yup...when the government buys them, they are PDW's....personal defense weapons.

When we buy them...they are assault weapons.
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Originally Posted By Anarki:
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Funny, look who's actually buying the "Assault Rifles"...


TXL


Yup...when the government buys them, they are PDW's....personal defense weapons.

When we buy them...they are assault weapons.


PDWs are a sub classification.
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Law enforcement buying guns?

Wow - that is shocking news, OP.
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Between the USCG and the USBP (both under DHS), this isn't a big number. UP TO 7,000 (but likely fewer, or that 7k stretched out over a few years) isn't that big of a deal.

Meanwhile, the paranoid types on here will bitch about this (these are gonna be used on citizens!!1!), and in another thread bitch about "why aren't we securing the border!!!1! Give the BP the equipment they need!"