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Posted: 6/13/2012 12:31:05 PM [Last Edit: 6/13/2012 12:31:25 PM by SonOfHermann07] THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT "The behemoth Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is seeking up to 7,000 select fire (meaning that they are capable of both semi-automatic and automatic fire) 5.56x45mm North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) personal defense weapons (PDWs) on top of the hundreds of millions of hollow point rounds they recently acquired." See More at: http://theintelhub.com/2012/06/12/dhs-agencies-to-buy-up-to-7000-new-5-56x45mm-nato-personal-defense-weapons/

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AKMfreak Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2011  OH, USA Posts: 703 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:35:12 PM Are we finally going to secure the southern border? I feel safer already!
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KACstealth Member Joined: Jun 2012  USA Posts: 70 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:36:16 PM sweet! good for them
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GNRNR Rational Member Team Member Joined: Nov 2008  OK, USA Posts: 5705 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:37:24 PM I don't have a problem with this.
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DragoMuseveni Tier 1 Laser Printer Repair Tactician Team Member Joined: Oct 2005  VA, USA Posts: 19926 Feedback: 100% (6) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:39:11 PM Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south.
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Spade Member Joined: Mar 2002  VA, USA Posts: 24417 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:39:18 PM 7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees? Oh teh noes. Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE.
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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 11145 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:39:21 PM Originally Posted By AKMfreak: Are we they finally going to secure pacify the southern borderRed States? I feel safer already! FIFY
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thorshammerblow Member Joined: Sep 2008  MO, USA Posts: 7384 Feedback: 100% (7) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:40:13 PM nothing to see here move along
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AKMfreak Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2011  OH, USA Posts: 704 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:40:37 PM Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By AKMfreak: Are we they finally going to secure pacify the southern borderRed States? I feel safer already! FIFY lol. ty
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brifol6111 Unspecified Team Member Joined: May 2008  NC, USA Posts: 1321 Feedback: 100% (48) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:41:31 PM Wait.. A law enforcement organization purchasing arm's and ammo, must be plotting something.
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Will Member Team Member Joined: Nov 2000  TX, USA Posts: 11090 Feedback: 100% (37) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:43:04 PM Originally Posted By Spade: 7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees? Oh teh noes. Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE. This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon......
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Ox6603 Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2010  PA, USA Posts: 586 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:43:58 PM Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By AKMfreak: Are we they finally going to secure pacify the southern borderRed States? I feel safer already! FIFY it will take more than small arms to pacify us red folk
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armoredsaint Sic vis pacem, para bellum Team Member Joined: Apr 2003  USA Posts: 33292 Feedback: 100% (19) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:44:55 PM is the PDW made by Magpul?
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rtech Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2002  AZ, USA Posts: 4034 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:46:15 PM ICE guys can't shoot that well.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 12:48:55 PM [Last Edit: 6/13/2012 12:49:36 PM by Spade] Originally Posted By Will: Originally Posted By Spade: 7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees? Oh teh noes. Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE. This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon...... I dunno, but they have a lot of guys who use guns. And they're like any other mechanical device. They wear out. Not that I don't expect this topic to be viewed any less stupidly then the DHS ammo purchase one (despite my vain attempts to educate people about what IDIQ means). ETA: If you want to find out how many they've already bought, start searching the contract award listings. They should be in there.

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rtech Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2002  AZ, USA Posts: 4035 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:50:09 PM Me thinks those guns won't be intended for non-citizens mostly. Their intended enemy isn't foreigners. They've proven that time again whenever you fly. DHS is making air travel a touching experience... And yeah, I'm LE in a border state.
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Hamel Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2002  RI, USA Posts: 4452 Feedback: 100% (21) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:50:59 PM Fast and Furious part 2 (alternatively 2 Fast 2 furious).
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Gunrinwa Team Member Team Member Joined: Apr 2004  WA, USA Posts: 682 Feedback: 100% (11) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:55:26 PM ARFCOMS got more than that.....
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Jarhead08 Naval Gang-Bang Spotter Tier 2 Team Member Joined: Mar 2010  MO, USA Posts: 18243 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:55:54 PM How is TSA supposed to load the cattle cars if they aren't armed?
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Evil_Ed The Dude abides. Life Member Joined: May 2002  MN, USA Posts: 15074 Feedback: 100% (13) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 12:58:10 PM Please be the SCAR PDW. Then please FN sell a semi-auto only SBR version to the public
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AFSOC Killin a man is a hell of a thing... Team Member Joined: Feb 2002  MO, USA Posts: 8622 Feedback: 100% (4) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:00:41 PM 260 Million firearms in private hands in the US. if each of them is loaded with TWO rounds they and their 7k guns and hundreds of millions of rounds are STILL hopelessly outnumbered!
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dex357 Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2006  MI, USA Posts: 9022 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:02:34 PM Given the current administration and the folks the foreigner in chief has put in places of authority, I can see no good coming from purchases like this.
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Garand1911 Member Joined: May 2003  CA, USA Posts: 2069 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:03:29 PM Most DHS employees have never touched, let alone qualified, with a long gun. Some places dont even have them in their armory. New agency needs to build its armories. Having two shotguns to qualifiy hundreds of people a year sucks.
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Texdiver Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2010  TX, USA Posts: 2244 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:05:51 PM Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south. That's the first thing I thought when I read the title.
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MTUSA Member Joined: Oct 2002  MCO Posts: 19768 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:08:49 PM Originally Posted By AKMfreak: Are we finally going to secure the southern border? I feel safer already! Something tells me they are for citizens...
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MIDGAPATRIOT END THE FED!!!!!!! Team Member Joined: Apr 2008  GA, USA Posts: 6155 Feedback: 100% (30) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:14:40 PM Originally Posted By Will: Originally Posted By Spade: 7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees? Oh teh noes. Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE. This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon...... Kinda hard to come after free men with a pencil.
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MIDGAPATRIOT END THE FED!!!!!!! Team Member Joined: Apr 2008  GA, USA Posts: 6156 Feedback: 100% (30) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:16:18 PM Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south. And this.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 1:21:39 PM Originally Posted By MIDGAPATRIOT: Originally Posted By Will: Originally Posted By Spade: 7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees? Oh teh noes. Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE. This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon...... Kinda hard to come after free men with a pencil. Every judge I've ever seen uses one.

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TxLewis WSBPTKT Life Member Joined: Mar 2001  TX, USA Posts: 29928 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:21:47 PM Funny, look who's actually buying the "Assault Rifles"... TXL
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GurkaDin Member Joined: Jul 2007  FL, USA Posts: 1398 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:22:15 PM How long are the barrels? 10"? 12"? 16"?
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TxLewis WSBPTKT Life Member Joined: Mar 2001  TX, USA Posts: 29929 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:24:15 PM Originally Posted By Texdiver: Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south. That's the first thing I thought when I read the title. [ErictheHun] Don't worry if you don't have a machine gun on day one. On day two, there will be plenty laying around"[ErictheMissedHun /] TXL
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fla556guy Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2005  CO, USA Posts: 10345 Feedback: 100% (23) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:25:03 PM Guns dont win wars by themselves. ..........people do, and only if they are properly motivated. Get ready for some major fear mongering to occur before they go for the killshot.
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outofbattery Member Team Member Joined: Aug 2004  MA, USA Posts: 9469 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:29:10 PM The Zetas should be happy to be getting new guns
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D233 Inmate #36455 Life Member Joined: Mar 2003  USA Posts: 20134 Feedback: 100% (10) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:34:48 PM Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south. Don't you mean if things go north?
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DragoMuseveni Tier 1 Laser Printer Repair Tactician Team Member Joined: Oct 2005  VA, USA Posts: 19927 Feedback: 100% (6) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:37:40 PM Originally Posted By D233: Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Means it will be eaiser to aqcuire something with a fun swtich should should things go south. Don't you mean if things go north? Considering my location things could go both ways.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 1:38:42 PM Originally Posted By Will: Originally Posted By Spade: 7,000 5.56mm rifles for a department that has 216,000 employees? Oh teh noes. Shit, that's not even enough rifles to properly arm ICE. This is ONE purchase...how many have they already made? Most of their employees have more need for a pencil than a weapon...... Most of their employees won't receive a rifle either, so it balances out.

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CLICKBANGBANG Buried Susie Derkins under the tire swing. Team Member Joined: May 2008  CA, USA Posts: 8089 Feedback: 100% (40) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:42:14 PM Any time a contract like this is secured for a large number of guns, there are more than one three letter agency can dip into it. They end up with the bulk of them (usually), but some guns will go here and there.
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DragoMuseveni Tier 1 Laser Printer Repair Tactician Team Member Joined: Oct 2005  VA, USA Posts: 19929 Feedback: 100% (6) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:43:13 PM Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: Any time a contract like this is secured for a large number of guns, there are more than one three letter agency can dip into it. They end up with the bulk of them (usually), but some guns will go here and there. Better ballistic fingerpint and GPS tag the ones going to the ATF.
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scotchymcdrinkerbean Alcohol is my anti-drug Team Member Joined: Oct 2003  LA, USA Posts: 12953 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:44:22 PM http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1332034_DHS_to_buy_7_000_5_56x45mm_NATO__personal_defense_weapons_.html&light=nato
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O_R_B_1 Member Joined: Apr 2004  LA, USA Posts: 1449 Feedback: 100% (15) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:46:15 PM [Last Edit: 6/13/2012 1:46:49 PM by O_R_B_1] Math Fail in the article Furthermore, they state that every firearm will be tested with a whopping 4,000 rounds, meaning that 28,000 rounds will be spent just testing the firearms before they are put into service. Government Logic- 7,000 x 4,000= 28,000= Obamanomics 101
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Prime Member Team Member Joined: Apr 2009  VA, USA Posts: 4800 Feedback: 100% (4) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:46:18 PM And just like the ammunition purchase, this is a group purchase for all of the DHS agencies. The Coast Guard alone could use 7000 new rifles.
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Anarki Member Joined: Feb 2001  TX, USA Posts: 915 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/13/2012 1:59:13 PM Originally Posted By TxLewis: Funny, look who's actually buying the "Assault Rifles"... TXL Yup...when the government buys them, they are PDW's....personal defense weapons. When we buy them...they are assault weapons.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 4:06:24 PM Between the USCG and the USBP (both under DHS), this isn't a big number. UP TO 7,000 (but likely fewer, or that 7k stretched out over a few years) isn't that big of a deal. Meanwhile, the paranoid types on here will bitch about this (these are gonna be used on citizens!!1!), and in another thread bitch about "why aren't we securing the border!!!1! Give the BP the equipment they need!"

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