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 RabidMonkeyPox
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:02:53 PM
My bad, I drank some NyQuil and typed that up.
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cmjohnson
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:17:48 PM
Leftist principle: When the truth does not serve your purposes, LIE.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:23:18 PM
The Kroger here shut down when their employees voted to unionize back in the mid-'80s. Evidently they thought Kroger was bluffing when they said they'd shut down the store if the union got in there. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:34:13 PM
When you end up on strike as a worker... do the union bosses suffer with you financially?
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:36:33 PM
Originally Posted By cyborg543: "drivel" Thank you, I was trying do decide, but was laughing to hard. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 11:32:40 PM
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Originally Posted By phatmax:
Kroger? Funny you ask that. When I worked at Kroger back in high school, some 8 years ago, I was told during training that if we joined the union we would be terminated immediately. That's illegal as hell...... Some companies NEED a Union around, I work for one of them... I don't pay much, if any attention to their political choices and I tell the Union leadership how I feel. The job pays better than anyplace else around and I like what I do.....  |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 12:58:05 AM
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
"drivel" What he said. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 1:02:50 AM
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Republican media machine? Yeah right. The President has acted in ways to help working families? Yeah right. Funny how they not only ignore the leftward bias, but turn around and claim a "republican media machine". Originally Posted By Jarhead08:
Originally Posted By rwalters17:
Union for grocery store workers?  When my brother worked for Kroger the docks were Teamster I think he was UFCW. United Food and Commercial Workers. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 1:05:02 AM
My Dad is retired from the USPS and my sister-in-law still works for them. They are told who to vote for since the Republican party is out to privatize them.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 1:33:47 AM
There's some serious ignorance in this thread regarding unions and how they work in closed shop states and right to work states. Kroger, for example, is not a 'union' company. They operate in some states where union membership is required to obtain employment (this would be a closed shop state). This is simply the cost of doing business in these states. Don't like it? Change your local and state laws, it is prohibitive to business growth and success after all.
In right to work states, the union can also exist if employees vote it in, but nobody can be forced to join or have dues deducted out of their check without their consent. Right here in Texas, we have Krogers staffed with both union and non-union employees. The beautiful thing about this is that the non-union employees are entitled to all wage and benefit increases the union may negotiate without ever giving them a dime  . As you can imagine, union membership is very low.
I'm currently a member of the Local Gator 96 Union, we have always had and will always have a membership of 1 
Fuck unions. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 2:32:05 AM
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
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Originally Posted By slick556:
Crap like this are why unions shouldn't be allowed to donate money to political campaigns or endorse candidates. All the money they blow should be used for something usefull like taking care of their members. I would say they see promoting the candidacy of politicians who support them promise them preferential treatment as taking care of their members FIFY What preferential treatment? Have you paid attention to what the NLRB has tried to do over the last 12 months? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 2:43:45 AM
Originally Posted By dwkennedy:
I'm getting the idea that your son's union is pro-Obama, maybe? 
The non-Democrat members of the union should sue the leadership for political discrimination... Or they can assert their "beck" rights and get back the amount of union dues that was used for political purposes. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 2:45:39 AM
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Posted: 6/13/2012 2:46:31 AM
Originally Posted By Gator96:
There's some serious ignorance in this thread regarding unions and how they work in closed shop states and right to work states. Kroger, for example, is not a 'union' company. They operate in some states where union membership is required to obtain employment (this would be a closed shop state). This is simply the cost of doing business in these states. Don't like it? Change your local and state laws, it is prohibitive to business growth and success after all. In right to work states, the union can also exist if employees vote it in, but nobody can be forced to join or have dues deducted out of their check without their consent. Right here in Texas, we have Krogers staffed with both union and non-union employees. The beautiful thing about this is that the non-union employees are entitled to all wage and benefit increases the union may negotiate without ever giving them a dime . As you can imagine, union membership is very low.
I'm currently a member of the Local Gator 96 Union, we have always had and will always have a membership of 1
Fuck unions. Closed shops have been illegal for nearly 50 years. What you are referring to are "agency fee" shops. |
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Chromekilla
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Posted: 6/13/2012 3:21:02 AM
Technically its drivel.... |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 3:23:54 AM
Originally Posted By theal: Originally Posted By rwalters17: Union for grocery store workers? There is, and I shit you not, a union for fucking bag boys it's mandatory to join if you want the job too. You actually lose about $.12 an hour paying for union dues. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 3:29:28 AM
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Originally Posted By rwalters17:
Union for grocery store workers? Worked at a grocery store at age 18, no choice in joining. If you worked at the store, you had to be a member. UFCW if I recall correctly, United Food and Commercial Workers or some crap like that. The local store rep took a bribe to squelch a vote so all members at the store got a pay cut/freeze while he lined his pockets. The union was also one of those that had to hire people to picket outside the non-union grocery stores. We weren't even allowed to shop at any of the non-union stores in town, and were supposed to turn in those that did. Those of us that shopped elsewhere just waved at each other in the stores. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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slick556
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:31:32 AM
Originally Posted By Psychovore:
Originally Posted By rwalters17:
Union for grocery store workers? Worked at a grocery store at age 18, no choice in joining. If you worked at the store, you had to be a member. UFCW if I recall correctly, United Food and Commercial Workers or some crap like that. The local store rep took a bribe to squelch a vote so all members at the store got a pay cut/freeze while he lined his pockets. The union was also one of those that had to hire people to picket outside the non-union grocery stores. We weren't even allowed to shop at any of the non-union stores in town, and were supposed to turn in those that did. Those of us that shopped elsewhere just waved at each other in the stores. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My last job before leaving for the Army was at a Mejiers store in MI. Union dues taken out of my paycheck, but I wasn't eligible to join until after 90 days. on day 100, my moron manager in a forklift knocked over some cases of antifreeze on me. I ended up out of work for a week for a screwed up back (just alot of pulled muscles, but I could barely move) and my clothes were ruined by the anti freeze (brand new shirt, jeans and shoes). Not only did I have to pay my own medical bills, I couldn't even get my union rep to get me reimbursed for the cost of the clothes and I had the cost of a new vest taken out of my next paycheck. |
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Backnblack
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:37:35 AM
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. Did you tell him to quit? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:59:59 AM
Originally Posted By slick556:
Originally Posted By Psychovore:
Originally Posted By rwalters17:
Union for grocery store workers? Worked at a grocery store at age 18, no choice in joining. If you worked at the store, you had to be a member. UFCW if I recall correctly, United Food and Commercial Workers or some crap like that. The local store rep took a bribe to squelch a vote so all members at the store got a pay cut/freeze while he lined his pockets. The union was also one of those that had to hire people to picket outside the non-union grocery stores. We weren't even allowed to shop at any of the non-union stores in town, and were supposed to turn in those that did. Those of us that shopped elsewhere just waved at each other in the stores. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My last job before leaving for the Army was at a Mejiers store in MI. Union dues taken out of my paycheck, but I wasn't eligible to join until after 90 days. on day 100, my moron manager in a forklift knocked over some cases of antifreeze on me. I ended up out of work for a week for a screwed up back (just alot of pulled muscles, but I could barely move) and my clothes were ruined by the anti freeze (brand new shirt, jeans and shoes). Not only did I have to pay my own medical bills, I couldn't even get my union rep to get me reimbursed for the cost of the clothes and I had the cost of a new vest taken out of my next paycheck. Sorry, that was workman comp related and not union. You just didn't bother to correctly report it as required and your management likely hid the incident. Meijers union is about as strong as a day old baby and has been like that for a decade or more. 40%+ union members vote conservative so many of them are not stupid or blindly led about by the nose. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:15:57 AM
Originally Posted By cmjohnson: Leftist principle: When the truth does not serve your purposes, LIE. The end justifies the means. That's what they think. CJ That's not really a leftist principle. There is no situation in which the truth serves their purposes. It should be more like.... Leftist Principle: LIE. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:25:37 AM
Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By slick556: Originally Posted By Psychovore: Originally Posted By rwalters17: ..... ....... ......... Sorry, that was workman comp related and not union. You just didn't bother to correctly report it as required and your management likely hid the incident. Meijers union is about as strong as a day old baby and has been like that for a decade or more. 40%+ union members vote conservative so many of them are not stupid or blindly led about by the nose. His UNION exists for him. Perhaps his UNION could have mentioned that workmans compensation was an option for him. His UNION could have possibly even provided the free form for him to fill out. His UNION Representative could have gone over those form with him to be sure they were filled out correctly. His UNION Representative could have followed up with with corporate management to have his vest damaged on the job reimbursed. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. The UNION does not exist to help him. The UNION is a criminal enterprise with strong political ties. The UNION exists to repress freedom and extort wages. My mistake. I was confused there for a moment. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:28:15 AM
That stuff is in every union newsletter, whether its election time or not. They constantly push you to vote for knuckleheads that support union labor.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:30:45 AM
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Originally Posted By efpeter:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By slick556:
Originally Posted By Psychovore:
Originally Posted By rwalters17:
..... ....... ......... Sorry, that was workman comp related and not union. You just didn't bother to correctly report it as required and your management likely hid the incident. Meijers union is about as strong as a day old baby and has been like that for a decade or more. 40%+ union members vote conservative so many of them are not stupid or blindly led about by the nose. His UNION exists for him. Perhaps his UNION could have mentioned that workmans compensation was an option for him. His UNION could have possibly even provided the free form for him to fill out. His UNION Representative could have gone over those form with him to be sure they were filled out correctly. His UNION Representative could have followed up with with corporate management to have his vest damaged on the job reimbursed. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. The UNION does not exist to help him. The UNION is a criminal enterprise with strong political ties. The UNION exists to repress freedom and extort wages. My mistake. I was confused there for a moment. His management should have told him about workman comp as it was a work related injury, his company actually committed the "crime" by covering it up and causing the employee to pay for it out of pocket. As I said, Meijers union basically exists in name only and it's been that way for a long time. In the end, it's the fault of immediate and higher management and the employee for not knowing his rights under the workman comp laws which are likely posted at the store. Outside of Public Unions, unions carry very little clout in Michigan anymore. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:37:05 AM
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Originally Posted By efpeter:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By slick556:
Originally Posted By Psychovore:
Originally Posted By rwalters17:
..... ....... ......... Sorry, that was workman comp related and not union. You just didn't bother to correctly report it as required and your management likely hid the incident. Meijers union is about as strong as a day old baby and has been like that for a decade or more. 40%+ union members vote conservative so many of them are not stupid or blindly led about by the nose. His UNION exists for him. Perhaps his UNION could have mentioned that workmans compensation was an option for him. His UNION could have possibly even provided the free form for him to fill out. His UNION Representative could have gone over those form with him to be sure they were filled out correctly. His UNION Representative could have followed up with with corporate management to have his vest damaged on the job reimbursed. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. The UNION does not exist to help him. The UNION is a criminal enterprise with strong political ties. The UNION exists to repress freedom and extort wages. My mistake. I was confused there for a moment. To be honest, I had no idea what who or what to ask. It was about a month after my 18th birthday. I just kinda assumed that since my manager drove me to the ER, I could rely on him to help me out. I was more pissed that I lost $100 in new clothes because of a managers incompetence and same manager refused to help me get reimbursed then tried to call me into work daily when I was laid up. This guy would write me up for unapproved overtime (I worked 3pm to midnight and the night manager would freqeuntly ask me to help unload delivery trucks after my normal shift) one week, then wrote me up for missing work when I was injured a few weeks later. I was pulling 50+ hours a week and I was supposed to be part time! If it hadn't been for the management, it would've been a great job. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:03:01 AM
Gotta be Kroger. The union sent guys on expense paid trips from Texas up to Wisconsin to rally support for the Governor Walker recall. Plenty of money wasted by the commie pricks that can't be sent to re-elect the kenyan.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:04:58 AM
OP: You might want to look up the definition of "dribble".
It doesn't mean what you think it means. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:08:45 AM
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Union for grocery store workers? There is, and I shit you not, a union for fucking bag boys Are you opposed to unions in general or just a bag boys union? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:11:45 AM
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He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/AR15_Shooter/2012-06-11181319.jpg Did they print that with a straight face? $20/hr cart pusher? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:15:05 AM
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Originally Posted By rwalters17:
Union for grocery store workers? There is, and I shit you not, a union for fucking bag boys My girlfriend is one of these. But not for long 
She's been trying to transfer to where I love, and essentially the store has been trying to screw her over, and the union has been no help. I honestly, don't know why it's there. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:29:49 AM
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Leftist principle: When the truth does not serve your purposes, LIE. The end justifies the means. That's what they think. CJ This is one of the conversations I had with him. We spoke about if things keep up, there is not going to be any private money left for his customers..inflation is going to continue to surge in food prices and people are going to spend less and less and with him being low man on the totem pole, he'll be out the door. He enjoys the work, he is struggled with his lawn care company he has now started to get it going, I think once he can do the lawn care service full time with another two guys along with finishing school, he is going to tell his grocery store job and the union to go pound sand. He is a go getter and with him door knocking to secure his own income, he gets it .
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:33:05 AM
Originally Posted By cyrus-the-virus: Originally Posted By theal: Originally Posted By rwalters17: Union for grocery store workers? There is, and I shit you not, a union for fucking bag boys it's mandatory to join if you want the job too. You actually lose about $.12 an hour paying for union dues. Not in Arkansas 
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:36:19 AM
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He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/AR15_Shooter/2012-06-11181319.jpg Did they print that with a straight face? BS. He could quit. He's a member of a union because it serves his interests. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:38:25 AM
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Originally Posted By Chris_C:
He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/AR15_Shooter/2012-06-11181319.jpg Did they print that with a straight face? BS. He could quit. He's a member of a union because it serves his interests. He could quit, you are right. As a 19 year old going to school and working on his own business, what exactly are his interests? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:42:57 AM
Republican media machine thats fucking rich
I am surprised they did not call it halliburtons media machine |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:51:34 AM
Why would anyone work for a union?
Unions looking out for "labor interest" is akin to paying the mob "protection money". Ya gonna get raped! |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:52:38 AM
Originally Posted By joker581:
The Kroger here shut down when their employees voted to unionize back in the mid-'80s. Evidently they thought Kroger was bluffing when they said they'd shut down the store if the union got in there.
What every business should do when union scum attempts to infest a company. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:15:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Chris_C:
He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/AR15_Shooter/2012-06-11181319.jpg Did they print that with a straight face? BS. He could quit. He's a member of a union because it serves his interests. He could quit, you are right. As a 19 year old going to school and working on his own business, what exactly are his interests? I didn't say it would be easy, or that he could find better employment elsewhere - I said he could quit. I refused to join IBEW when I was working as an electrician at about that age, and lost a job because of it. Them's the lumps when you stand firm in your beliefs. As I said - being part of the union serves his interests. He has made the decision that serving his own interests is worth coercing others. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:16:27 AM
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Originally Posted By phatmax:
Kroger? Funny you ask that. When I worked at Kroger back in high school, some 8 years ago, I was told during training that if we joined the union we would be terminated immediately. That's illegal as hell...... Some companies NEED a Union around, I work for one of them... I don't pay much, if any attention to their political choices and I tell the Union leadership how I feel. The job pays better than anyplace else around and I like what I do..... Because you have no choice than to work for those evil companies, right? This makes it okay? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:18:32 AM
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Originally Posted By joker581:
The Kroger here shut down when their employees voted to unionize back in the mid-'80s. Evidently they thought Kroger was bluffing when they said they'd shut down the store if the union got in there.
What every business should do when union scum attempts to infest a company. If a business I own ever unionizes, I pledge to literally close the doors, strip the premises bare of anything of value, burn the building to the ground, and sow salt where it once stood. I would just fire them all and hire people who would be interested in voluntary association, but apparently that's illegal. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:21:00 AM
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Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Originally Posted By SimonPhoto:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/AR15_Shooter/2012-06-11181319.jpg Did they print that with a straight face? BS. He could quit. He's a member of a union because it serves his interests. He could quit, you are right. As a 19 year old going to school and working on his own business, what exactly are his interests? I didn't say it would be easy, or that he could find better employment elsewhere - I said he could quit. I refused to join IBEW when I was working as an electrician at about that age, and lost a job because of it. Them's the lumps when you stand firm in your beliefs. As I said - being part of the union serves his interests. He has made the decision that serving his own interests is worth coercing others. Again, as a 19 year old going to school and starting his own business, what are his interests? This is the second time you have made this statement and the second time I have asked. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:22:03 AM
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Originally Posted By SimonPhoto:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Originally Posted By SimonPhoto:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/AR15_Shooter/2012-06-11181319.jpg Did they print that with a straight face? BS. He could quit. He's a member of a union because it serves his interests. He could quit, you are right. As a 19 year old going to school and working on his own business, what exactly are his interests? I didn't say it would be easy, or that he could find better employment elsewhere - I said he could quit. I refused to join IBEW when I was working as an electrician at about that age, and lost a job because of it. Them's the lumps when you stand firm in your beliefs. As I said - being part of the union serves his interests. He has made the decision that serving his own interests is worth coercing others. Again, as a 19 year old going to school and starting his own business, what are his interests? This is the second time you have made this statement and the second time I have asked. He would be best served making as much money as he can to finance his education. Perhaps he should rob a bank? He'd have more time for his studies that way, and more capital for his business. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:23:56 AM
I work for a printer and a large portion of our work is printing union periodicals. What your son got is lightweight stuff to some I've seen.
The more rabid the union (unskilled labor, like SEIU), the more outlandish the propaganda. The trade unions are usually more reasonable and a bit more civil. Some have even endorsed Republicans (seriously). |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:29:31 AM
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He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/AR15_Shooter/2012-06-11181319.jpg Did they print that with a straight face? BS. He could quit. He's a member of a union because it serves his interests. He could quit, you are right. As a 19 year old going to school and working on his own business, what exactly are his interests? I didn't say it would be easy, or that he could find better employment elsewhere - I said he could quit. I refused to join IBEW when I was working as an electrician at about that age, and lost a job because of it. Them's the lumps when you stand firm in your beliefs. As I said - being part of the union serves his interests. He has made the decision that serving his own interests is worth coercing others. Again, as a 19 year old going to school and starting his own business, what are his interests? This is the second time you have made this statement and the second time I have asked. He would be best served making as much money as he can to finance his education. Perhaps he should rob a bank? He'd have more time for his studies that way, and more capital for his business. Are you able to articulate anything or just spout bullshit? I asked you a very simple question. I would ask you another about the coercing, but I do not think you are capable or willing to have an discussion. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:31:35 AM
Originally Posted By swingset:
I work for a printer and a large portion of our work is printing union periodicals. What your son got is lightweight stuff to some I've seen. The more rabid the union (unskilled labor, like SEIU), the more outlandish the propaganda. The trade unions are usually more reasonable and a bit more civil. Some have even endorsed Republicans (seriously). Oh I could imagine...you should see some of the stuff I see at work. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:50:22 AM
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Originally Posted By SimonPhoto:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
He works for a chain grocery store and must be a member. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/AR15_Shooter/2012-06-11181319.jpg Did they print that with a straight face? BS. He could quit. He's a member of a union because it serves his interests. He could quit, you are right. As a 19 year old going to school and working on his own business, what exactly are his interests? I didn't say it would be easy, or that he could find better employment elsewhere - I said he could quit. I refused to join IBEW when I was working as an electrician at about that age, and lost a job because of it. Them's the lumps when you stand firm in your beliefs. As I said - being part of the union serves his interests. He has made the decision that serving his own interests is worth coercing others. Again, as a 19 year old going to school and starting his own business, what are his interests? This is the second time you have made this statement and the second time I have asked. He would be best served making as much money as he can to finance his education. Perhaps he should rob a bank? He'd have more time for his studies that way, and more capital for his business. Are you able to articulate anything or just spout bullshit? I asked you a very simple question. I would ask you another about the coercing, but I do not think you are capable or willing to have an discussion. I don't understand why you're upset. I clearly articulated his interests, and agree that the union serves them. I take issue with the fact that it does so via government authority through the NRLB. It's not a free, voluntary relationship. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 10:32:20 AM
Originally Posted By Stock_Pile:
Unions looking out for "labor interest" is akin to paying the mob "protection money". ! It is exactly that. "Give us dues money or that evil boss man is going to get you!" *goes off to play golf with your dues money* And, in some cases, it is literally mob protection money. Back in the '50s my grandfather worked in a union factory. The union guys always told the workers how lucky they were to have a union, that the union would protect them from the shady unethical bosses that ran the place, and their dues money was very important. Every so often those shady unethical bosses would do something unethical, the union would have a fit, the workers would make trouble, a compromise would be reached, and the workers would go back to work happy to pay their dues and thrilled they had a union protecting them. There were, of course, rumors that the union was owned and run by the local mafia family. What wasn't known by most of the workers was that the factory was too. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 10:39:30 AM
"Distractions"? Like the BS war on women and 'Republicans want to ban birth control'? Those came from Obama.
But fear not, Obama will give a speech Thursday saying he's now going to concentrate on jobs. It's probably the 11th time he's done this.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 12:48:10 PM
Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By efpeter: Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By slick556: Originally Posted By Psychovore: Originally Posted By rwalters17: ..... ....... ......... Sorry, that was workman comp related and not union. You just didn't bother to correctly report it as required and your management likely hid the incident. Meijers union is about as strong as a day old baby and has been like that for a decade or more. 40%+ union members vote conservative so many of them are not stupid or blindly led about by the nose. His UNION exists for him. Perhaps his UNION could have mentioned that workmans compensation was an option for him. His UNION could have possibly even provided the free form for him to fill out. His UNION Representative could have gone over those form with him to be sure they were filled out correctly. His UNION Representative could have followed up with with corporate management to have his vest damaged on the job reimbursed. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. The UNION does not exist to help him. The UNION is a criminal enterprise with strong political ties. The UNION exists to repress freedom and extort wages. My mistake. I was confused there for a moment. His management should have told him about workman comp as it was a work related injury, his company actually committed the "crime" by covering it up and causing the employee to pay for it out of pocket. As I said, Meijers union basically exists in name only and it's been that way for a long time. In the end, it's the fault of immediate and higher management and the employee for not knowing his rights under the workman comp laws which are likely posted at the store. Outside of Public Unions, unions carry very little clout in Michigan anymore. Then why should he be required to pay them? If the union either chooses to not help their members or is unable to help their members, then it just re-enforces my point that is is absolutely nothing but extortion for the privledge of having a job. I can't fault management because the union failed to represent their member. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 12:58:22 PM
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Union for grocery store workers? There is, and I shit you not, a union for fucking bag boys UFCW––United Food and Commercial Workers––I think that is what it is called. In high school I worked as a bag boy at a non-union grocery store that, yes, got picketed by the UFCW for not being union. I had a friend who worked a unionized graocery store, he made minimum wage, I made more. He paid union dues and of course, I did not. When the union grocery store went on strike, they expected him to take shifts picketing, but guess what? The low end union members, who paid in, got no strike pay. I told him how glad I was to work in a non-union shop, oh, gotta go, my shifts starts soon!
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