I saw this movie in Imax now and I've got to say that it was awesome in regards to CGI was beyond spectacular. The story had so much potential, it left me disappointed. I have not read all of this thread yet, but I have to say I agree with many on here that the director dropped the ball on this one.

i'm not sure they were running into the room.  there were a pile of bodies just past the door that they said it looked like things had exploded out of them



 

The only thing it explained about the "space jockey" was thatit was
humanoid... that the elephant face is just a space mask. For the longest
time I thought the face was a fossilized facehugger.





Check out these pictures.
I can't tell if it's a spacesuit the engineer is wearing or if his body
has been changed. It's looks pretty integrated and has the Giger
biomech look that the Alien takes on.


Also... a good shot of his back... totally the Giger design. Here's a pic of a deleted scene from the beginning
with more than one engineer. I kind of felt like him drinking the black
goo was some sort of ritual sacrifice that would seed the planet... but
which planet was that? I thought the engineers looked more like
"protohumans"... not quite defined... all puffy and plane looking.



I kind of thought the thing she cut out of her gut was a
no-so-streamlined face hugger... more like a face, neck, torso, and leg
humper. It fucked the engineers face and an alien came out of him. That
to me says facehugger. The snake that tube the biologist was probably
just a different alien... that dude didn't birth an alien, it just made
him superhuman and crazy.



Nice.
The language was based on a "thesis"... maybe he got it wrong. Dialect
and tone can easily change a friendly conversation to "my other ride is
your mom".




 


Just got done seeing it, so now I can read this thread...



Well, when you put it like that I guess it was kind of stupid and not well thought out...
All good questions. About the only one I feel like I can answer is that
the "engineers" that were on that planet didn't create us... another
alien race (the one flying the giant saucer in the beginning of the
movie that flew away) created us and the engineers and plopped us on the
planets that we could survive on.
The "engineers" DNA was a match to ours... how does that mean they created us. If anything it means we're the same or related.
I don't want to ruin the effect of the movie by digesting it and shitting out nothing but plot holes... but it's hard not to.
1.) You're on a distant planet... a trip that cost trillions. You have
17 people... apparently none of them have any degree of training of
preparation in the idea of foreign contaminants, contracting airborne
disease, etc... because they're all so quick to take and leave off their
helmets through the majority of the exploration. Even after finding
dead aliens laying all over the place the concept doesn't quite grab
hold of them.



2.) Touch everything. Why not? Stick your hands in the goo. Play with
the snake thing... even after it opens it's hood like a fucking cobra,
it's still cute and beautiful.



3.) Don't monitor the people you leave behind (unless you're getting a
piece of ass from Charlize Theron. Sorry guys... I"ll burn anyone alive
to do her). You have guys that got lost in a place they have a 3D
generated map of... and have to spend the night. Don't worry, I'm sure
they'll be fine. Why would you need to take the big armored truck back
to try to get them out... it's only raining glass and rocks.



4.) How is it the tech is always better in prequels? The robot could watch people's dreams?



5.) Androids are fucking evil. Bishop and Call seemed to follow the
android laws. David clearly didn't if he's letting a person drink an
unknown foreign substance that he roofied him with.




 

Yeah character development sucked. Thinking Ridley Scott is losing it in his age... and he probably directs like a spoiled child without taking any input from anyone around him unless it's from the people with the money.




 
 

Actually, if you think about it, according to the scientists drawings from just about every ancient civilization had pictograms showing that they knew of the aliens.

Who is to say that more Aliens hadn't been created in a similar fashion before?

i doubt Scott considers AvP to be a legitimate part of the Alien universe...i know most fans dont



 

Is Charles Bishop Weyland (AvP) the grandfather of Peter Weyland (Prometheus)?

Going off the top of my head, he lost all four limbs, suffered fourth-degree burns over 90% of his body, and endured severe smoke inhalational and thermal injury to his respiratory tract.
Apparently, according to the film canon, these injuries caused him to go from being a whiny, seriously annoying, not at all badass adolescent to a badass on a galactic scale, which proves two things: your statement makes no sense, and even in a galaxy far, far away, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
 

Two different kinds of goo, which is rather obvious. One caused the exploding heads/bodies, one mutates into a stronger monstrous form. The kind in the urns was safely contained until disturbed by the humans 2000 years later.

Something happened and the other got out which is what the engineers were running from. If you think about it, it makes sense. Why use the goo in the urns on humanity on Earth? It doesn't kill, it mutates into a monster. The engineers were developing something nastier that killed them before they could deploy it. The goo in the urns was probably related but still had a totally different effect.

Not a perfect movie but I am really amazed at the basic stuff people are missing.

With mutated people and slimey tentacle monsters maybe Roger Corman was a consultant.

Summation of David's character.....






 

That is one sweet South African tush!  

That one bugged the shit out of me as well.

That? Please. He got fricking robot arms and legs. Look at General Grievous. That dude was mad skills, and he had a breathing problem. Vader couldn't do shit because he still had lava in his vag.






When they are walking in the chamber you
see little worms in their footprints... thing the black goo turned
those worms into cobra things?




That's hilarious.






She goes to 11. The only way she could be hotter is slightly bigger boobs.





 




 



 



 

Yea...but she is exquisitely proportioned.  Nothing fake there.  Do some googling to see the famous frontal pics of her nekkid above the waist with her arms up...very nice indeed.





 

I finally went to see it,all I can say is for me it totally sucked I would compare it to contact more than aliens

Personally I enjoyed the movie.  I felt that it was very good and left things upon for sequels.  Myself, I feel that in general people today don't want to "think" when they go watch movies.  The want to be force fed every single piece of information, and have it served on a silver platter.  I would rather watch a movie, and walk away with lots of questions that make me watch it several times to pick up on small tidbits of information to piece things together.  Today people are of the mindset, "I want everything and I want it now"  Which has led to movies being really dumbed down for the masses as a whole.  So if a movie comes out that leaves people questioning numerous things, they just say its horrible has a ton of plot holes and it was rubbish.  When in fact, it was very interesting and thought provoking.

Gary Sinise is the man

Reindeer Games and 2 Days in the valley were both a long time ago and she still looks fantastic





 

Ouch... yeah, go ahead and support the midichlorian thing. But there's still more organic Vader than a whole Yoda... and Yoda was 800 and doing flips and shit. Ok... different species... like that matters. Count Dooku was spry for an old fart too. Definite thread drift though... like it matters. Everyone is on the same sheet of music on Prometheus... half-asses story writing and character development substituted with great visuals. Surprised? No.








I think she's better looking now than she ever was. She was smoking hot in this and crazy hot in Hancock.



 



 

Lawrence of Arabia was a man working alongside and trying to understand a completely different culture.  Much of his work was done separate from his countrymen, and in that sense he was a solitary figure.  The only Englishmen around, he was unique, he stood out, and he didn't fit in at first.  He had to earn the respect of the Arabs through his deeds.



I think that predicament resonated with David.  He could relate to what Lawrence was experiencing, being the only android of his kind.  He too was working alongside and trying to understand humans.  He too was isolated and unique.  



I do think it was a nice touch that he styled his hair to match Peter O'Toole's from the movie Lawrence of Arabia and carried himself with proper poise in all his movements.
 

Yeah , but in Alien, isn't the derelict ship in exactly the same position as the crashed ship in Prometheus?   Also, Dr. Shaw in Prometheus closes the movie with a monologue message to other travelers - "There is nothing but death here."  In Alien, when Ripley analyzes the "distress call" with the computer, she says:  "I don't think this is a distress call, I think it's a warning."

I think they were trying to get in that room as it had a door and a lock.  Sucks to be stuck in a tunnel when being chased by a monster.  When they thought the monster had gone, they left the room in a hurry, leaving the body and head of their buddy behind.  They later died in the tunnel with all the other engineers.



The room was probably a temple.  It was not scientific in function. Keep in mind that behind the giant head was a large relief sculpture of a xenomorph in a crucifix pose in what looked like a vagina (but was probably an artistic expression of a xenomorph busting out of a chest cavity).  I think they worshipped the xenomorph.  Or gave it extremely high regard as the culmination of their work.



The engineers went in that room in their helmeted suits, so I think they were biologically inert to the cylinders.  When the humans show up they have their helmets off.  CO2, moist air, microbiota, whatever, that we expel into our environment were the triggers for the cylinders to open.  David temporarily neutralized one by spraying it with something, perhaps a sterilizing agent, so he could get it back onboard.
 

She specifically says that she thought there would be nothing there.  I don't think she thought it was dangerous at all, but a pointless exercise from her father who can't let go of the reins of power.  Last gasp kind of thing, but basically a bullshit trip.  That's why I think she hired the people she did.  She hired the only scientists that would go on a long mission with no questions asked.  In other words, reckless screwballs.
 

That pretty much resonates with her attitude through the first part of the movie. "Fine Daddy, lets go on one last jaunt. I'll show you there's nothing out here and you're full of it. Just hurry up and die already so I can take over." Whoops.



I wonder whos idea it was to have a fully equipped and isolated lifeboat. His or hers? Sounds like the robo operating table was for him, so maybe the lifeboat was his idea, even though it's presented as a way to keep her separate from the crew.



 

I kind of thought that... but it's still a pretty slick interpretation for an android. It's like he was programmed to be a shady fucker.



 

But that room was part of the ship wasn't it? It had a computer coded lock on the door. So it was some sort of cargo hold or something?

The beginning scene where the dude eats the caviar and falls apart... I kind of thought it was some kind of ritual sacrifice that would lead use his broken down DNA to create new life... except he looked surprised like he wasn't expecting it. At the same time a ship it flying away that doesnt look like the ones they had. I kind of thought they had been visited by their makers. They were left with a parting gift. Dude thought it was food and downed it. His buddies watch him come apart. At that point they decide they're going to make their own killer death goo and space ships and get even with the pricks that just gave them a nasty batch of eggs. The head shrine is the image of their makers (the ceatures seem sharper, where the engineers are mind of round and bulbous). They build this  shrine room to deliver to their makers which is actually boobytrapped with their own black goo pods.
Fast forward 2,000 years to when the humans show up... where nothing is explained and everything is confusing. Draw more of your own conclusions.

Again the more I think about it it almost seems like they just made this movie in the exact sequence it's shown because they just made the shit up as they went.

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Reminds me of some dialog from Neuromancer:














 

Just saw it.

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor movie, Prometheus!


Pacing was boring. All the characters were annoying as shit. No actions made sense.

Its almost like it was made by some fucking idiot who liked movies but had no business making them. "In movies people do this, lets have people do that, I dont care if it makes no sense."

inb4 people call you an ignorant simpleton for not understanding how deep, philosophical and powerful that PIECE OF SOOTIKIN was.

Also why didnt anyone stop David from fucking everything up? He just kept touching things and opening things and people told him to stop but he just kept being a dick and doing it.

Someone should have hired Harris Ford to shoot him.

Only if you're into that line of mythology......

I think the aliens were mad because they sent Budha back to teach everyone how to get in bar brawls and punch each either other in the face, but instead everyone just kept being all mellow and peaceful around him. So now they have to black spooge earth.

I don't know if you're an imbecile or a genius sometimes.

OR!

Maybe the aliens sent Mohammad to say there were lots of gods besides Allah, but instead people just kept proclaiming him a prophet of the one true God and talking about how great Allah was.

They got so mad that they had to plan 20,000 years in advance to set up a black spooge base to fix these sins.

Aaron Diaz, artist/writer behind the excellent Dresden Codak wrote a nice little piece on this.

 
 
 
 

or hit him with a fire extinguisher

Good write-up. Thanks.

 

Yeah... not bad.



Definitely a good point about how the Engineer, who is supposed to be an intellectually and technologically superior race, ends up being a really big thug that just punches things...



The scientists show how the "engineers" have been on the planet visiting multiple civilizations... why? That would have been cool to know.

David interprets their language... is there nothing anywhere that he could have read that would have given a little more insight into everything? Or did he and we just don't know because he was so secretive?



That review just knocked this movie down another peg for sure. I think the bottom line is this:

- Ridley Scott made the original Alien. He put the Space Jockey into the scenery, with no real intent or purpose... probably more because it looked cool.

- People clung to the Space Jockey and wanted to know more about it... the back story.

- 3 decades goes by and it's decided to hash out the backstory of the Space Jockey... something that originally had no backstory, it was just a set piece.

- Somewhere along the line the backstory of the Space Jockey turns into the backstory of the Xenomorphs...



It could have been a lot easier... Space Jockey is an alien (non-xenomorph mouth-tongue killing animal). It travels around the universe collecting different species. It picks the wrong species, it gets out of its control while traveling and crashes on LV426. Waits... that's it? No elaborate universal conspiracy? That won't be long enough for a movie... lets add a whole bunch of crap to drag it out to 1.5hours.



 

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I like the basis in Sumerian mythology.

That would have been brilliant. It seems like so many science fiction stories involve Earth's past in some way, as if our planet always has to play an important role in the story. It's an idea that is getting overused. The story would have been more interesting if it was the investigation of a civilization as alien as the original beast.



 

It's important to audience members because we all live here.

 

I understand that, but it is overused.
 

*Golf clap* for the Ghostbusters reference.