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President Obama has placed himself at the helm of a secret process to mark terrorists for kill or capture, retaining final say on approving lethal action, aides said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?_r=1&hp



New York Times making Obama look good before the election.
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Luckily only one type of person reads the NY Times.
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Luckily only one type of person reads the NY Times.


Fewer and fewer...........



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What does "Principles" mean? Clearly the dictionary definition does not fit, we're talking about a politician.
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If something like this leaked out during President Bush's tenure there would be a firestorm.
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Posted: 5/29/2012 5:25:48 PM
Originally Posted By 583:
President Obama has placed himself at the helm of a secret process to mark terrorists for kill or capture, retaining final say on approving lethal action, aides said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?_r=1&hp



New York Times making Obama look good before the election.


crickets are all that will be heard from the MSM, just imagine had this come out under Bush! MSNBC would be running 24/7 wah fest type crap, and every liberal news outlet would be crying foul.

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Are you sure this is not being done to draw attention away from something which does not paint him in a good light? Like more bad economic news? As there is some other kind with this Bozo in charge.
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Are you sure this is not being done to draw attention away from something which does not paint him in a good light? Like more bad economic news? As there is some other kind with this Bozo in charge.


Read the artical then tell me what you think.
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Posted: 5/29/2012 6:49:04 PM
"shadow war with Al Qaeda"

or more accurately

"manhunt for sand people"

like there's even that many al qaeda in the world.....please
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Posted: 5/29/2012 6:54:14 PM

Originally Posted By 583:
If something like this leaked out during President Bush's tenure there would be a firestorm.

Somewhere, Dick Cheney is smiling....
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Originally Posted By 583:
If something like this leaked out during President Bush's tenure there would be a firestorm.

Somewhere, Dick Cheney is smiling....


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of course arfcom is ok with the president getting to make a kill list. nothing could possibly go wrong... right?
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Originally Posted By 583:
If something like this leaked out during President Bush's tenure there would be a firestorm.


Oh hell yes,
War Monger! Death Merchant! He should be brought up on war crimes!

I'm starting to just get sick of politics and many of the people in our country.
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If this isn't an exaggeration to prop up the emperor, it shows just how much of an amateur he is. A man with no military background whatsoever, no foreign diplomatic or strategic interest experience, is micro-managing a hit list? There should be a clear policy dictated to the military which they interpret and make these decisions as opportunities arise. I wonder how many jihadis have gotten away waiting for Obama to finish the back 9 so they could ask him how they are allowed to take out this guy?
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Originally Posted By ArchInfidel:
If this isn't an exaggeration to prop up the emperor, it shows just how much of an amateur he is. A man with no military background whatsoever, no foreign diplomatic or strategic interest experience, is micro-managing a hit list? There should be a clear policy dictated to the military which they interpret and make these decisions as opportunities arise. I wonder how many jihadis have gotten away waiting for Obama to finish the back 9 so they could ask him how they are allowed to take out this guy?


Not many.

Mr. Obama is enthusiastic about killing bad guys. He's expanded these types of programs and the places where they strike moreso than Bush. The going theory is that it's much harder to complain about the rights of captured terrorists if you kill them before they can be captured...so hellfire missile up the butt for you, Mr. Jihadi. The left has been eerily silent about it because they don't like terrorists any more than the rest of us do. It was merely a useful tool for bludgenoning the guy they didn't want in office to elect a guy they did want in office.
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Posted: 5/29/2012 7:12:43 PM
Originally Posted By ArchInfidel:
If this isn't an exaggeration to prop up the emperor, it shows just how much of an amateur he is. A man with no military background whatsoever, no foreign diplomatic or strategic interest experience, is micro-managing a hit list? There should be a clear policy dictated to the military which they interpret and make these decisions as opportunities arise. I wonder how many jihadis have gotten away waiting for Obama to finish the back 9 so they could ask him how they are allowed to take out this guy?


Plus these aren't the kinds of decisions that a President should make.

He should approve parameters and let the people on the ground make the call if the individual meets the parameter. This is a war.

PLUS from a political perspective this has a HUGE downside. What if the guy you pass on, kills 3000 Americans a year later. He is fucking stupid. Seriously. He is an idiot.

Now to read the article.

ARFCOM.....Time well wasted.

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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By ArchInfidel:
If this isn't an exaggeration to prop up the emperor, it shows just how much of an amateur he is. A man with no military background whatsoever, no foreign diplomatic or strategic interest experience, is micro-managing a hit list? There should be a clear policy dictated to the military which they interpret and make these decisions as opportunities arise. I wonder how many jihadis have gotten away waiting for Obama to finish the back 9 so they could ask him how they are allowed to take out this guy?


Not many.

Mr. Obama is enthusiastic about killing bad guys. He's expanded these types of programs and the places where they strike moreso than Bush. The going theory is that it's much harder to complain about the rights of captured terrorists if you kill them before they can be captured...so hellfire missile up the butt for you, Mr. Jihadi. The left has been eerily silent about it because they don't like terrorists any more than the rest of us do. It was merely a useful tool for bludgenoning the guy they didn't want in office to elect a guy they did want in office.


John,

I think this article was meant to boost his standing in the court of public opinion. The man carries a heavy heart when it comes to being the CIC.

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Nobel Peace Prize winner, eh?
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And yet, they are most certainly emotionally retarded.

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Originally Posted By 583:
President Obama has placed himself at the helm of a secret process to mark terrorists for kill or capture, retaining final say on approving lethal action, aides said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?_r=1&hp



New York Times making Obama look good before the election.


Wait. Wut?

So, now they are praising him for the very same things they bashed Bush for, for the very things that Obama said he would NOT do?????

Do I understand that correctly?

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Originally Posted By woofum:
Originally Posted By 583:
If something like this leaked out during President Bush's tenure there would be a firestorm.


Oh hell yes,
War Monger! Death Merchant! He should be brought up on war crimes!

I'm starting to just get sick of politics and many of the people in our country.
Never has a time been where we were so divided and screwed up.


They DID say those things about Bush.

If it's a Colt, it's a copy of an original ArmaLite.

I am not LARRYG36.

Racing is life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

If your AR10 is marked Geneseo, IL, it's still an AR10 no matter what some people say.
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Originally Posted By 583:
President Obama has placed himself at the helm of a secret process to mark terrorists for kill or capture, retaining final say on approving lethal action, aides said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?_r=1&hp



New York Times making Obama look good before the election.


Wait. Wut?

So, now they are praising him for the very same things they bashed Bush for, for the very things that Obama said he would NOT do?????

Do I understand that correctly?



You've got it.
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Originally Posted By ArchInfidel:
If this isn't an exaggeration to prop up the emperor, it shows just how much of an amateur he is. A man with no military background whatsoever, no foreign diplomatic or strategic interest experience, is micro-managing a hit list? There should be a clear policy dictated to the military which they interpret and make these decisions as opportunities arise. I wonder how many jihadis have gotten away waiting for Obama to finish the back 9 so they could ask him how they are allowed to take out this guy?


Not many.

Mr. Obama is enthusiastic about killing bad guys. He's expanded these types of programs and the places where they strike moreso than Bush. The going theory is that it's much harder to complain about the rights of captured terrorists if you kill them before they can be captured...so hellfire missile up the butt for you, Mr. Jihadi. The left has been eerily silent about it because they don't like terrorists any more than the rest of us do. It was merely a useful tool for bludgenoning the guy they didn't want in office to elect a guy they did want in office.


He wasn't so goddamned enthusiastic about killing bad guys when GWB was at the helm.

Yeah, he expanded the programs because both Congress and the MSM give him a pass on doing it and would have crucified any Republican who would have done the same thing.

And I don't believe for one minute that the left is okay with killing terrorists as I believe they identify with the "downtrodden" freedom fighters.

If it's a Colt, it's a copy of an original ArmaLite.

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Next week he will anounce he is in to beastiality (sp)
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
of course arfcom is ok with the president getting to make a kill list. nothing could possibly go wrong... right?
Sorta makes you wonder when he will get around to people here in the US doesn't it. Mitt I would keep and eye on the sky if I were you.

Keep two things in mind, Fast and Furies, (we know that this administration can murder) and the fact that the FBI director would not rule out targeted killings here in the US.


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the article obviously is written to make him look good.

frankly i dont give a rats ass. his attitude towards capitalism and free markets and the tendency to think the government should be ten feet up everyone's ass is what i dont like about the guy.

his performance in taking out terrorists has been better than say.. a jimmy carter who would have immediately pulled our troops out of everywhere and invited osama bin laden to some meeting where he could talk him into being not so mean.

dont loose the focus, he's a socialist bent on converting this country into an amerikan europe.

the article was written for the middle, the undecided. because the left, if pressed about this doesnt like his record in the war on terror.
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The "pick and choose" President
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Originally Posted By 583:John,

I think this article was meant to boost his standing in the court of public opinion. The man carries a heavy heart when it comes to being the CIC.



There's no question that it was designed to be yet another installment of textual fellatio from the guttersluts at the NYT who so roundly criticized Bush's "violations" of human rights and now suck Obama off for killing lots more people than Bush ever dared to.
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I think it's a good thing Obama is doing this in the simple context that it's good the military has a set list of terrorists they are looking for. However, isn't that sort of what was in place with the Deck of 52 during the invasion of Iraq? I'm fairly certain that the military commanders in country don't need Obama telling case by case who to go after and who to leave be. I understand that Obama wants to kill terrorists, but he must understand that military commanders aren't stupid. So I think it's more than likely a political move to show republicans that he's not too afraid to take action in order to possibly win over a few votes.
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
The "pick and choose" President

Erick Erickson calls him "President Both-Ways".


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Originally Posted By 583:
If something like this leaked out during President Bush's tenure there would be a firestorm.

Somewhere, Dick Cheney is smiling....


No doubt. The time to get the equipment and intelligence assets put together for a program like this takes more than 3 years.
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Originally Posted By 338winmag:
Are you sure this is not being done to draw attention away from something which does not paint him in a good light? Like more bad economic news? As there is some other kind with this Bozo in charge.


Read the artical then tell me what you think.


that article is written to make him look pretty good, like he agonizes over each and every thing, how he has matured into the Presidency beyond his initial idealism into a pragmatic warrior.
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It is unusual that POTUS is approving authority, normally lists like this are approved at a much lower level.
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Originally Posted By R0N:
It is unusual that POTUS is approving authority, normally lists like this are approved at a much lower level.


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