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Posted: 5/6/2012 5:31:59 PM

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ATHENS (Reuters) - Greek voters enraged by economic hardship deserted traditional governing parties in droves at elections on Sunday, putting the country's future in the euro zone at risk, according to an early projection by the Interior Ministry.

The projection, confirming a pattern in earlier exit polls, showed the two parties supporting an EU/IMF bailout that is keeping Greece from bankruptcy would struggle to form a workable coalition government.

It was based on a representative sample from about 12 percent of polling stations across the country and showed conservative New Democracy and Socialist PASOK, who have dominated Greece for decades, being harshly punished by voters and reaching a maximum of less than 33 percent of the vote.

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International lenders and investors fear success for the small parties opposed to the bailout could lead to Greece reneging on the harsh terms for the programme, risking a hard sovereign default and dragging the euro zone back into the worst crisis since its creation.

Euro zone paymaster Germany has warned there would be "consequences" to an anti-bailout vote and the EU and IMF insist whoever wins the election must stick to austerity if they want to receive the aid that keeps Greece afloat.

But many voters shrugged off such threats and Socialist Francois Hollande's victory in France's presidential election may have boosted chances of a broad pushback against German-led austerity in Europe.

"I don't think that voting for a small party will make us go bankrupt. We already are," said 53 year-old Panagiotis, a craftsman, after voting for the conservative Independent Greeks.

Greece faces an acid test as soon as next month when it must give parliamentary approval for over 11 billion euros in extra spending cuts for 2013 and 2014 in exchange for more EU/IMF aid.

That looks like a tough task even if a new government can be formed in time, given the success of anti-bailout parties.

Under the constitution, Greek President Karolos Papoulias will give the biggest party after the election three days to form a government. If it fails, the next largest group gets a chance and so on down the line. If they all fail, new polls would be called in about three weeks.

(Additional reporting by Ingrid Melander, Lefteris Papadimas, Dina Kyriakidou and George Georgiopoulos.; Writing by Barry Moody, editing by Mike Peacock)


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/angry-greeks-vote-cliffhanger-election-041733917––business.html

Election in France... more turmoil in Greece...
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Stock market gonna get a serious ass beating come Monday
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So basically the whole world is voting for people that don't want to pay their debts?

How, exactly, does this get resolved peacefully?
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Posted: 5/6/2012 5:47:01 PM
Originally Posted By LetMeLoose:
Stock market gonna get a serious ass beating come Monday


The stock markets really aren't a good indicator of economic health. They've been up even though most countries are in terrible shape.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 5:49:04 PM
Originally Posted By torstin:
So basically the whole world is voting for people that don't want to pay their debts?

How, exactly, does this get resolved peacefully?


We are doing the exact same thing. Joy?
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Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Originally Posted By LetMeLoose:
Stock market gonna get a serious ass beating come Monday


The stock markets really aren't a good indicator of economic health. They've been up even though most countries are in terrible shape.

Yes, but they are easily spooked by instability. Plus there's this:

Taxmageddon is coming.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 5:51:56 PM
Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Originally Posted By LetMeLoose:
Stock market gonna get a serious ass beating come Monday


The stock markets really aren't a good indicator of economic health. They've been up even though most countries are in terrible shape.


You are correct sir....however I do believe investors and money managers are gonna be on first degree panic mode,courtesy of Mr. Hollande and Greece.

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I don't pay as much attention to European politics as I should apparently. I thought the Greeks were finally starting to come around and realize they have to suck it up and turn their ship around, but between this and the French elections obviously there is a large portion of Europe that is intent on pushing the whole continent into ruin so they can continue to get govt checks. I find this both ironic and disturbing given that there are still a LOT of people over there who grew up in post WW2 Europe and the Cold War era who should know better.

This is the kind of stuff that starts wars.
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Originally Posted By torstin:
So basically the whole world is voting for people that don't want to pay their debts?

How, exactly, does this get resolved peacefully?


Thats the question in my mind. Everyone else in the EU is expecting the Germans to empty their wallets and subsidize their lifestyles. Something tells me that is a situation that will not last forever, nor end well if it continues.
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Originally Posted By LetMeLoose:
Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Originally Posted By LetMeLoose:
Stock market gonna get a serious ass beating come Monday


The stock markets really aren't a good indicator of economic health. They've been up even though most countries are in terrible shape.


You are correct sir....however I do believe investors and money managers are gonna be on first degree panic mode,courtesy of Mr. Hollande and Greece.



I'd agree with you. I suppose the stock market is an indicator of fear.
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Originally Posted By LetMeLoose:
Stock market gonna get a serious ass beating come Monday


The stock markets really aren't a good indicator of economic health. They've been up even though most countries are in terrible shape.

Yes, but they are easily spooked by instability. Plus there's this:

Taxmageddon is coming


Link is broke, but I'm interested in what it pertained to
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Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By torstin:
So basically the whole world is voting for people that don't want to pay their debts?

How, exactly, does this get resolved peacefully?


Thats the question in my mind. Everyone else in the EU is expecting the Germans to empty their wallets and subsidize their lifestyles. Something tells me that is a situation that will not last forever, nor end well if it continues.


The Germans have to be pissed. They are the only fucks in that area with work ethic. Now they are getting robbed. But to be fair, they put themselves in that situation.
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Originally Posted By AbleArcher:
Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Originally Posted By LetMeLoose:
Stock market gonna get a serious ass beating come Monday


The stock markets really aren't a good indicator of economic health. They've been up even though most countries are in terrible shape.

Yes, but they are easily spooked by instability. Plus there's this:

Taxmageddon is coming.


Link is broke, but I'm interested in what it pertained to

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Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By torstin:
So basically the whole world is voting for people that don't want to pay their debts?

How, exactly, does this get resolved peacefully?


Thats the question in my mind. Everyone else in the EU is expecting the Germans to empty their wallets and subsidize their lifestyles. Something tells me that is a situation that will not last forever, nor end well if it continues.

we may be fighting for the german side someday if they take too much objection to germny telling them to shove the Euro up their asses.
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Originally Posted By Rotors-R-Cool:
The Germans have to be pissed. They are the only fucks in that area with work ethic. Now they are getting robbed. But to be fair, they put themselves in that situation.
They could always march on Paris and Brussels again. Not saying I'd blame them this time.

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What the Greeks need are for the liberal parties to be in charge. Unfortunately, they are so unpopular, they have no seats in Parliament and are unlikely to hold any in the near future. That shows how unpopular freedom, small government, and free markets are in Greece.
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Originally Posted By victorgonzales:

Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By torstin:
So basically the whole world is voting for people that don't want to pay their debts?

How, exactly, does this get resolved peacefully?


Thats the question in my mind. Everyone else in the EU is expecting the Germans to empty their wallets and subsidize their lifestyles. Something tells me that is a situation that will not last forever, nor end well if it continues.

we may be fighting for the german side someday if they take too much objection to germny telling them to shove the Euro up their asses.


For the German side?

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I would think our CURRENT government in charge would fight to FORCE the rich Germans to subsidize all of the poor EU zones.
Paybacks for all the late unpleasantness, you know? Spread the wealth around, you know?

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Originally Posted By skebe:
Originally Posted By victorgonzales:

Originally Posted By colklink:
Originally Posted By torstin:
So basically the whole world is voting for people that don't want to pay their debts?

How, exactly, does this get resolved peacefully?


Thats the question in my mind. Everyone else in the EU is expecting the Germans to empty their wallets and subsidize their lifestyles. Something tells me that is a situation that will not last forever, nor end well if it continues.

we may be fighting for the german side someday if they take too much objection to germny telling them to shove the Euro up their asses.


For the German side?

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I would think our CURRENT government in charge would fight to FORCE the rich Germans to subsidize all of the poor EU zones.
Paybacks for all the late unpleasantness, you know? Spread the wealth around, you know?

With Obama you are probably right. We would probably not fight against germany but Obama would be sure to keep our financial backing on the Euro nations trying to punish germany for not supporting them.
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Originally Posted By LetMeLoose:
Stock market gonna get a serious ass beating come Monday


The stock markets really aren't a good indicator of economic health. They've been up even though most countries are in terrible shape.

Yes, but they are easily spooked by instability. Plus there's this:

Taxmageddon is coming.

Ye Olde "Dividend Discount Model" - this particular model may be simple (and generally ignored), but history is generally on its side.

ETA: The after-tax net of the dividend is the important variable.
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Originally Posted By colklink:
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So basically the whole world is voting for people that don't want to pay their debts?

How, exactly, does this get resolved peacefully?


Thats the question in my mind. Everyone else in the EU is expecting the Germans to empty their wallets and subsidize their lifestyles. Something tells me that is a situation that will not last forever, nor end well if it continues.


You'd think, after the last century, the rest of Europe would have learned to not invite Germany into their sovereign affairs. It tends to end in Germany owning your nation.
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