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Hope you're okay, OP. Shame about the rifle. I loves me some 1917.
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Could've been alot worst. This is why I wont shoot anything older than me.
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Quoted: Could've been alot worst. This is why I wont shoot anything older than me. How is that Krag shooting anyways?? |
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Could've been alot worst. This is why I wont shoot anything older than me. How is that Krag shooting anyways?? Huh? No Krag, wrong guy? |
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It was not a hand load that blew the gun a part. I will try to get the brass out of the gun when I get it back, and will post pics of the gun and the brass case(if I can get it out), the police could not open the action. I should get the gun back tomorrow.
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It was not a hand load that blew the gun a part. I will try to get the brass out of the gun when I get it back, and will post pics of the gun and the brass case(if I can get it out), the police could not open the action. I should get the gun back tomorrow. I think the ammo company owes you some $$$. The 1917 is about the strongest action of its type & was often used to build custom guns in magnum calibers FAR more powerful than the .30-06. If your 1917 blew on factory ammo, there was a MAJOR mistake made by the ammo company. BTW - the 1917s never suffered from the Springfield 1903's defective heat treating. The 1917s are as strong as they come (and then some). |
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I am 99% sure that the round was a surplus LC round from an M1 clip that I had. I'll find out for sure when I get the action open(hopefully)
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I am 99% sure that the round was a surplus LC round from an M1 clip that I had. I'll find out for sure when I get the action open(hopefully) Lake City Surplus? Nevermind then. They will not pay you a penny. Sorry. |
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Eddystone 1917's have a known defect of micro cracks that develop from rebarreling. Eddystone, not being a real gun producer, over torqued barrels to the receivers back when they were made/being pumped out during WWI. ETA: The original barrels were fine for initial usage, but post war, many rifles were re-barreled with Johnson Barrels in the arsenal prior to being put away for storage. When the original Eddystone barrels were removed, micro and small cracks developed in the receiver when the over torqued Eddystone barrels were removed/the new Johnson barrels were installed. These cracks create a VERY UNSAFE condition on par with low serial number/improperly treated 1903(a1) Springfields. A modern .30-06' commercially loaded ammo with higher CUP pressure than M1/M2 Ball ammo specs could definitely KB a Eddystone 1917 that has a Johnson Barrel installed that created small fissures that are not always visible to the eye as some of the cracks could develop below the stock line and/or be hairline type cracks that are difficult to spot unless you are really looking for them with a jewelers loupe. I only own/shoot WINCHESTER made Model of 1917 rifles due to this Eddystone issue. I hope the OP recovers fully and provides some additional details. Thanks for the info. I was worried there for a minute, but mine is a Winchester with a Johnson barrel. Oh yea, why the hell do the police have the rifle? Yep, you are good to go. The problem stemmed from the Eddystone line workers not being familiar enough with gun manufacturing and understanding that barreling an action isn't just about brute force. I've heard the hypothesis that they (Eddstyone workers) were paid by rifles assembled and not on quality so the incentive was on the workers to speed things up, at least that is how one story goes. The fact remains the problem is an Eddystone receiver with Johnson barrel model of 1917 issue. I have an Eddystone that I never shot.. I picked it up a few years ago as a project (all metal is correct, someone dropped it into a sporter stock) When going through the safe last fall, I cleaned and oiled everything.. I then realized that this rifle had a new barrel installed on it.. and what I ended up cleaning out of it was cosmoline. What should I do? skip the project and find a Winchester? Is there testing that I should have done to it? give ya $100 for it.. |
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Sorry to hear that, OP.
This also is why I don't buy WW1-era 1903s either, due to the improper heat treatment on the receivers. Not sure why our QC sucked so much back then; WW2-era rifles are far stronger & safer by comparison. |
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It was not a hand load that blew the gun a part. I will try to get the brass out of the gun when I get it back, and will post pics of the gun and the brass case(if I can get it out), the police could not open the action. I should get the gun back tomorrow. I think the ammo company owes you some $$$. The 1917 is about the strongest action of its type & was often used to build custom guns in magnum calibers FAR more powerful than the .30-06. If your 1917 blew on factory ammo, there was a MAJOR mistake made by the ammo company. BTW - the 1917s never suffered from the Springfield 1903's defective heat treating. The 1917s are as strong as they come (and then some). they are very very strong. I have a .460 on an eddystone. Ok pro tip time. when redoing an eddystone. You do not just unscrew the barrel. you make a relief cut at the action/barrel junction to relieve the stress. then remove the barrel. this is done in a lathe. If you have a pre rebarreled one you get it magna fluxed before rebuild.. |
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Quoted: Sorry to hear that, OP. This also is why I don't buy WW1-era 1903s either, due to the improper heat treatment on the receivers. Not sure why our QC sucked so much back then; WW2-era rifles are far stronger & safer by comparison. Those QC guys worked on the Titantic also. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You are going to call BS on someone that did an AAR when you couldn't even wait to wash the blood off of you?Quoted: Quoted: Aren't you the fat milkbagger that posted bloody pics of his hand from the emergency room?Quoted: Quoted: BS flag all up in this mother fucker. Oh for fuck''s sake... If there were 20 pieces of metal freshly lodged in you head, would your first instinct be to post about it on a website a few hours after it happening? The BS flag stands until proven otherwise. And? It was a minor burn and I had a long wait in the ER. Dude...the thread isn't about you.... OP...glad you weren't hurt worse. |
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Any chance that we may see your injuries to compare with what the glasses prevented happening to your eyes. I'm still researching some images for my personal protective equipment paper. While unfortuneate for you, this highlights the very reasons we wear such things as safety glasses. Thanks for sharing your story.
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Quoted: Any chance that we may see your injuries to compare with what the glasses prevented happening to your eyes. I'm still researching some images for my personal protective equipment paper. While unfortuneate for you, this highlights the very reasons we were such things as safety glasses. Thanks for sharing your story. That's the truth. OP, at least your experience can serve as a lesson in safety measures we should all take while shooting. Glad it didn't turn out worse than it did!
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I went to shoot my 1917 Eddystone today at the range. I shot 2 rounds through it with no problem. I then loaded another round into the chamber and pulled the trigger. What happened next, I thought would never happen to me. When I pulled the trigger and the gun blew up!!! I dropped the gun on the bench I was shooting off of. I got up and my dad gave me a jacket to put on my face, to try to help stop the blood. When I got to the hospital, my blue jacket was colored red. The nurse did not want to take the jacket off my face, because she thought half my face got blown off. They stopped the bleeding and I had to get a scan of my head, there is 20 pieces of metal in my face, and 6 will never come out. I will post pics of the gun when I get it back form the police. Since I have a 1917 Eddystone I am curious as to what caused the explosion. Same here. |
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Quoted: Any chance that we may see your injuries to compare with what the glasses prevented happening to your eyes. I'm still researching some images for my personal protective equipment paper. While unfortuneate for you, this highlights the very reasons we were such things as safety glasses. Thanks for sharing your story. This… inquiring minds want to know… |
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OP has stated that the action is locked. Thus, it didn't fail. It will end up being a catastrophic case failure.
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I will only leave this pic up for a short time, I will probably take it off tomorrow morning, or later to night. I am out of school and work for a couple of days.
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Fuck man, that looks painful, but at least you got to keep your face and stuff.
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Just be thankful you aren't disfigured and your glasses did their job. Hope you feel better.
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Wow...dude glad you are ok. Yep its one of those things we ALL say "wont happen to me"....then BAM! Glasses....Glasses ..Glasses....cant say it enough.
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OP has stated that the action is locked. Thus, it didn't fail. It will end up being a catastrophic case failure. Good observation. Damage was from brass particles, gas, and any exteral bits that flew off. Lugs and receiver held. |
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I will only leave this pic up for a short time, I will probably take it off tomorrow morning, or later to night. I am out of school and work for a couple of days. http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh523/EnfieldMk1/Facebook/Gun%20explosion/face002.jpg Damn, dude. |
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Cheer up OP, considering you only lost a pair of shooting glasses and a rifle, but got to keep your eye, you got a good deal.
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I will only leave this pic up for a short time, I will probably take it off tomorrow morning, or later to night. I am out of school and work for a couple of days. http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh523/EnfieldMk1/Facebook/Gun%20explosion/face002.jpg Damn, dude. You noticed he was sexy huh? |
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I will only leave this pic up for a short time, I will probably take it off tomorrow morning, or later to night. I am out of school and work for a couple of days. http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh523/EnfieldMk1/Facebook/Gun%20explosion/face002.jpg Damn, dude. You noticed he was sexy huh? Not that, but he kinda looks like that dude from Hot Fuzz. |
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Quoted: Fuck man, that looks painful, but at least you got to keep your face and stuff. Correct. You are lucky and should be thankful it's not worse. |
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OP has stated that the action is locked. Thus, it didn't fail. It will end up being a catastrophic case failure. Good observation. Damage was from brass particles, gas, and any exteral bits that flew off. Lugs and receiver held. yup! thats a round venting out the bolt like it should. DO NOT HAMMER THE STUCK BOLT OPEN! take it to a smith and have him pull the barrel! |
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I will only leave this pic up for a short time, I will probably take it off tomorrow morning, or later to night. I am out of school and work for a couple of days. http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh523/EnfieldMk1/Facebook/Gun%20explosion/face002.jpg Damn, dude. You noticed he was sexy huh? Not that, but he kinda looks like that dude from Hot Fuzz. Look DK-Prof was in the movie too. |
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Quoted: I will only leave this pic up for a short time, I will probably take it off tomorrow morning, or later to night. I am out of school and work for a couple of days. http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh523/EnfieldMk1/Facebook/Gun%20explosion/face002.jpg You are a brave man OP… And a damn smart man for wearing eye-pro! And don’t bother taking that pic down… everyone has already right clicked / save pic as… |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: OP has stated that the action is locked. Thus, it didn't fail. It will end up being a catastrophic case failure. Good observation. Damage was from brass particles, gas, and any exteral bits that flew off. Lugs and receiver held. yup! thats a round venting out the bolt like it should. DO NOT HAMMER THE STUCK BOLT OPEN! take it to a smith and have him pull the barrel! So the rifle might be 100% ok and the round just had a case failure? |
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From what I saw of the rifle, it is totaled. I should get the rifle tomorrow, and I will post some pics. I wont hammer the action open, thanks for the info. I know everyone has the pic now, but it will make feel better when I take it off tonight. (No offence to anyone.)
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Chicks dig scars, get back to school.
Glad you're glasses took the brunt of it. |
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From what I saw of the rifle, it is totaled. I should get the rifle tomorrow, and I will post some pics. I wont hammer the action open, thanks for the info. I know everyone has the pic now, but it will make feel better when I take it off tonight. (No offence to anyone.) is the barrel split? receiver ring split? |
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My personal case failure kaboom: SAR 4800 (FAL) + 1970s range pickup 7.62*51 The culprit: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DriftPunch/Kboom/case1_lores.jpg The only long term damage was a slightly inflated L1A1 mag: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DriftPunch/Kboom/Mag_lores.jpg I was propping the rifle up by the mag (waiter holding a tray style) offhand. It felt like catching a fast baseball wrong in a glove. Behold the oily soot tatoo that lasted a few days. Note that the mag floorplate takedown button also gave me a mark. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DriftPunch/Kboom/hand_lores.jpg Bottom line, if you shoot enough, especially milsurp stuff, you will experience one of many menu options of problems that can occur. Case failures are powerful things, and this was minor compared to what could have happened. IMO, the break happened late in the cycle, because not only did the bullet clear the bore, but enough gas was still in the bore to extract the case and successfully load a fresh cartridge in all that smoke. I 'could' have kept firing. If it happened on primer ignition, it could have blown to bits. Edit: FAL guys will notice the imprint of the bolt face on the case. The split happened in the ejector relief. The lack of support there may have given it a weak spot to blow, but it most definitely gave the gas a path to a larger space to expand into. Perhaps this is also what kept things together. How long was it until your hand was back to full use? |
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I will only leave this pic up for a short time, I will probably take it off tomorrow morning, or later to night. I am out of school and work for a couple of days. http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh523/EnfieldMk1/Facebook/Gun%20explosion/face002.jpg Did you get the black eye from an object that hit you or was it from the pressure? |
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Quoted: Quoted: My personal case failure kaboom: SAR 4800 (FAL) + 1970s range pickup 7.62*51 The culprit: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DriftPunch/Kboom/case1_lores.jpg The only long term damage was a slightly inflated L1A1 mag: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DriftPunch/Kboom/Mag_lores.jpg I was propping the rifle up by the mag (waiter holding a tray style) offhand. It felt like catching a fast baseball wrong in a glove. Behold the oily soot tatoo that lasted a few days. Note that the mag floorplate takedown button also gave me a mark. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DriftPunch/Kboom/hand_lores.jpg Bottom line, if you shoot enough, especially milsurp stuff, you will experience one of many menu options of problems that can occur. Case failures are powerful things, and this was minor compared to what could have happened. IMO, the break happened late in the cycle, because not only did the bullet clear the bore, but enough gas was still in the bore to extract the case and successfully load a fresh cartridge in all that smoke. I 'could' have kept firing. If it happened on primer ignition, it could have blown to bits. Edit: FAL guys will notice the imprint of the bolt face on the case. The split happened in the ejector relief. The lack of support there may have given it a weak spot to blow, but it most definitely gave the gas a path to a larger space to expand into. Perhaps this is also what kept things together. How long was it until your hand was back to full use? Immediately, it just hurt for a few days. It was the exact same stinging sensation as badly catching a fast baseball. Most of the soot washed away, but the outline lasted about a week before it was completely gone. It did however cure me of ever wanting to hold a magazine again. Ironically, I rarely do this, and was just screwing with the position. |
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DriftPunch, whats the headstamp on that ammo? Did you say you found that round at the range?
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I've been lax on the shooting glasses except when shooting steel and I shoot a lot of
different guns that people bring out to my range......I think I just might make it a habit of wearing them all the time. GM |
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The doc said I should stay home for a day or two. I got the black eye from the pressure and maybe from everything hitting my glasses.
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BS flag all up in this mother fucker. Oh for fuck''s sake... If there were 20 pieces of metal freshly lodged in you head, would your first instinct be to post about it on a website a few hours after it happening? The BS flag stands until proven otherwise. I am curious as well...but mostly about the "6 pieces that are not coming out". I mean, if a person is already IN the Emergency Room, is that NOT the best time to remove shrapnel? |
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Quoted: DriftPunch, whats the headstamp on that ammo? Did you say you found that round at the range? R1M1 from 1977. Some of the early SA stuff was deemed 'Range Pickup' because they were repackaged cartridges from those not consumed during their first possible use. We are to assume that range work was the biggest reason. I shot over 2k of this stuff, and this was my only legitimate problem. |
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I've been lax on the shooting glasses except when shooting steel and I shoot a lot of different guns that people bring out to my range......I think I just might make it a habit of wearing them all the time. GM You have a range? How far are you from Anoka? |
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I went to shoot my 1917 Eddystone today at the range. I shot 2 rounds through it with no problem. I then loaded another round into the chamber and pulled the trigger. What happened next, I thought would never happen to me. When I pulled the trigger and the gun blew up!!! I dropped the gun on the bench I was shooting off of. I got up and my dad gave me a jacket to put on my face, to try to help stop the blood. When I got to the hospital, my blue jacket was colored red. The nurse did not want to take the jacket off my face, because she thought half my face got blown off. They stopped the bleeding and I had to get a scan of my head, there is 20 pieces of metal in my face, and 6 will never come out. I will post pics of the gun when I get it back form the police. Since I have a 1917 Eddystone I am curious as to what caused the explosion. +1 |
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BS flag all up in this mother fucker. Oh for fuck''s sake... If there were 20 pieces of metal freshly lodged in you head, would your first instinct be to post about it on a website a few hours after it happening? The BS flag stands until proven otherwise. I am curious as well...but mostly about the "6 pieces that are not coming out". I mean, if a person is already IN the Emergency Room, is that NOT the best time to remove shrapnel? Depending on how big the pieces are and where they are located sometimes it is better and easier to just leave them in and let them work out by themselves |
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OK...... I will no longer just wear my eyeglasses when shooting but will from now on also wear safety glasses. Thanks for posting OP, I am converted.
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