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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 10082 Feedback: 100% (1)

Posted: 4/16/2012 12:19:53 PM [Last Edit: 4/18/2012 8:31:04 PM by EvanWilliams] THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT So, the drug reps are suing over not getting overtime. They do spend lot's of time outside of normal work hours organizing "educational" dinners etc. It will go before SCOTUS on 18 April. 16 April Inside sales reps are subject to OT rules etc. Outside sales reps are "exempt" employees and OT rules do not apply. The reps argue that they are wrongly classified as outside sales to avoid being allowed OT. As usual, the Dept of Labor wants to weigh in and legislate via regulation and has filed briefs with the court. Drug Rep Lawsuit

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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:27:46 PM [Last Edit: 4/16/2012 12:28:31 PM by speedracer422] Overtime? I thought that was pretty much a straight commission job? Anyway, they should be careful what they fight for...I worked for a company that had a class action lawsuit filed by the service managers about overtime. I was a service manger but didn't sign on as I figured, salary means salary Well, the company lost the suit, paid out the "overtime" and completely changed the payplan for the position to absolute shit; it was quite possible to make more cash as a salesman after the payplan overhaul than a manager at many of the stores...assholes shot themselves in the foot because they couldn't hack retail management hours Speed

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armoredsaint Sic vis pacem, para bellum Team Member Joined: Apr 2003  OH, USA Posts: 32313 Feedback: 100% (19) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 12:30:01 PM [Last Edit: 4/16/2012 12:30:59 PM by armoredsaint] former pill pusher here - it's been going on for a long time - i don't see what the big deal was. i made a shit ton of money by not working 8-5. i had a lot of after hours events/dinner, i considered it part of the job. i think the lawsuit started by chicks from Novartis, GSK etc, bunch of lazy fucks
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demobud Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2008  AL, USA Posts: 3147 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 12:31:09 PM I didn't think successful drug reps were hurting for that much extra money. And since when do you earn OT on commission?
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:32:59 PM Originally Posted By armoredsaint: former pill pusher here - it's been going on for a long time - i don't see what the big deal was. i made a shit ton of money by not working 8-5. i had a lot of after hours events/dinner, i considered it part of the job. i think the lawsuit started by chicks from Novartis, GSK etc, bunch of lazy fucks I agree. Any sales job like that is going to involve perks and drawbacks. They are going to cry themselves out of a job. Many of the reps have good education and professional background. They are arguing to be treated like an hourly employee.

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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 10084 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 12:34:07 PM Originally Posted By demobud: I didn't think successful drug reps were hurting for that much extra money. And since when do you earn OT on commission? They are salaried and get bonuses, I know that much. Don't know how common commission is in that field.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:36:30 PM Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By armoredsaint: former pill pusher here - it's been going on for a long time - i don't see what the big deal was. i made a shit ton of money by not working 8-5. i had a lot of after hours events/dinner, i considered it part of the job. i think the lawsuit started by chicks from Novartis, GSK etc, bunch of lazy fucks I agree. Any sales job like that is going to involve perks and drawbacks. They are going to cry themselves out of a job. Many of the reps have good education and professional background. They are arguing to be treated like an hourly employee. i know for a fact 99% of sales reps do personal errands during company time too, i did it and it just equals out. being a drug rep is mostly republican voters, but those whining sound like socialist. all that matters is sales #'s, you live and die by it.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:40:01 PM [Last Edit: 4/16/2012 12:41:07 PM by armoredsaint] Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By demobud: I didn't think successful drug reps were hurting for that much extra money. And since when do you earn OT on commission? They are salaried and get bonuses, I know that much. Don't know how common commission is in that field. speaking for myself, there is a nice base salary, FREE/new company car every 50k miles with all the personal miles you want to put on it too (all gas, ins and main. paid by company) and a commission/bonus structure. plus i had 6 weeks paid parental leave and 6 weeks paid vacation with 12 days holidays, i was there just for 7 years and moved on to medical device/diagnostics sales. those people suing are just idiots and of course the lawyers LOVE suing drug companies.

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Bubbatheredneck Member Joined: Feb 2001  USA Posts: 13823 Feedback: 100% (26) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 12:42:02 PM Since drug reps are less common than dinosaurs these days, I doubt pharma is too concerned.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:44:34 PM Originally Posted By armoredsaint: Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By demobud: I didn't think successful drug reps were hurting for that much extra money. And since when do you earn OT on commission? They are salaried and get bonuses, I know that much. Don't know how common commission is in that field. speaking for myself, there is a nice base salary, FREE/new company car every 50k miles with all the personal miles you want to put on it too (all gas, ins and main. paid by company) and a commission/bonus structure. plus i had 6 weeks paid parental leave and 6 weeks paid vacation with 12 days holidays, i was there just for 7 years and moved on to medical device/diagnostics sales. those people suing are just idiots and of course the lawyers LOVE suing drug companies. Thanks for the info. That sounds pretty good. I interact with drug reps occasionally (MUCH MUCH more in the past before law changed). They all seem to do well and I agree they work hard and deserve good pay. In their shoes, I agree with you, I wouldn't be complaining. One medical device guy I know, has time many days to sneak off to local sporting clays range for quick five stand or two at lunch. Keeps his Perazzi in his trunk.

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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 10086 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 12:45:34 PM Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: Since drug reps are less common than dinosaurs these days, I doubt pharma is too concerned. Everytime I'm at my doc there is a rep there. In the hospital where I work, it is indeed uncommon. In the good old days, we had lunch almost once a week with a rep.
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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 10087 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 12:55:37 PM Originally Posted By Zaphod: There are pretty specific guidelines for determining who is exempt and who isn't. I just recently went through the exercise with two of my employees. Sales reps are going to be found exempt... How long before they can fire the complainers without repercussion?
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Posted: 4/16/2012 1:13:04 PM Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: Since drug reps are less common than dinosaurs these days, I doubt pharma is too concerned. Everytime I'm at my doc there is a rep there. In the hospital where I work, it is indeed uncommon. In the good old days, we had lunch almost once a week with a rep. 5 years ago, there were 3 or 4 everytime I stopped at my Doc's. I've seen one this last year. I go bi-weekly. TXL

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PKT1106 Member Joined: Mar 2009  WV, USA Posts: 637 Feedback: 100% (11) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 1:20:33 PM If the SC sides with the reps, it opens up everyone considered a "professional". Engineers, project managers, and everyone else can petition to get overtime as well.
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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 10089 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 2:13:24 PM Originally Posted By Slavac: Every pill pusher I've ever met was more whorey(is that a word) than most actual whores. Some are very professional and good people. Some aren't . Just like many professions.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 2:14:36 PM Originally Posted By TxLewis: No prob for me. When the pharm corporations killed primatine mist as a cheap effective fast acting inhaler for asthma folks, I quit caring what they did. No need in having an inexpensive, cost effective medicine when a $125/ month drug will work. TXL That was a good drug. Many good drugs have been taken off the OTC. Nyquil is a different formula than the old one and not as effective.

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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 10095 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/16/2012 6:06:54 PM Originally Posted By 40BOY: Most of the reps I see when I go to my doctor are hotties in short skirts carrying restaurant boxes in the back door. Frequently, not always. Remember, an increasing number of physicians are female. So, the blow dried Newsanchor types also abound.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 11:00:11 PM [Last Edit: 4/16/2012 11:00:51 PM by armoredsaint] Originally Posted By 40BOY: Most of the reps I see when I go to my doctor are hotties in short skirts carrying restaurant boxes in the back door. they ruined what was once a great career - they reinforced the barbie and ken airhead stereotype. reason why i left and went into medical device/diagnostic sales - dumb-asses don't make it this far

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Posted: 4/16/2012 11:01:55 PM Originally Posted By armoredsaint: Originally Posted By 40BOY: Most of the reps I see when I go to my doctor are hotties in short skirts carrying restaurant boxes in the back door. they ruined what was once a great career - they reinforced the barbie and ken airhead stereotype. reason why i left and went into medical device/diagnostic sales - dumb-asses don't make it this far True. The device reps understand thoroughly their devices and how to employ them. A different animal.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 11:19:32 PM True, I was tired of feeling like a walking billboard, or a glorified deliver driver (drug samples). Past 5 years in ortho trauma and love it. If the pharma reps are complaining about no overtime then, well just wow. That field has gone down hill in the past 10 years. Many others work harder for much less. Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By armoredsaint: Originally Posted By 40BOY: Most of the reps I see when I go to my doctor are hotties in short skirts carrying restaurant boxes in the back door. they ruined what was once a great career - they reinforced the barbie and ken airhead stereotype. reason why i left and went into medical device/diagnostic sales - dumb-asses don't make it this far True. The device reps understand thoroughly their devices and how to employ them. A different animal.

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Posted: 4/17/2012 12:26:13 AM [Last Edit: 4/17/2012 9:18:08 AM by 2tired2run] Originally Posted By Deer_huntn: True, I was tired of feeling like a walking billboard, or a glorified deliver driver (drug samples). Past 5 years in ortho trauma and love it. If the pharma reps are complaining about no overtime then, well just wow. That field has gone down hill in the past 10 years. Many others work harder for much less. Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By armoredsaint: Originally Posted By 40BOY: Most of the reps I see when I go to my doctor are hotties in short skirts carrying restaurant boxes in the back door. they ruined what was once a great career - they reinforced the barbie and ken airhead stereotype. reason why i left and went into medical device/diagnostic sales - dumb-asses don't make it this far Sounds like I need to find me a job in the med device industry. Getting tired of the electrical equipment thing. True. The device reps understand thoroughly their devices and how to employ them. A different animal. Edited for quote failure: Sounds like I need to find me a job in the med device industry. Getting tired of the electrical equipment thing.

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Posted: 4/17/2012 6:18:26 AM Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By Deer_huntn: True, I was tired of feeling like a walking billboard, or a glorified deliver driver (drug samples). Past 5 years in ortho trauma and love it. If the pharma reps are complaining about no overtime then, well just wow. That field has gone down hill in the past 10 years. Many others work harder for much less. Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By armoredsaint: Originally Posted By 40BOY: Most of the reps I see when I go to my doctor are hotties in short skirts carrying restaurant boxes in the back door. they ruined what was once a great career - they reinforced the barbie and ken airhead stereotype. reason why i left and went into medical device/diagnostic sales - dumb-asses don't make it this far Sounds like I need to find me a job in the med device industry. Getting tired of the electrical equipment thing. True. The device reps understand thoroughly their devices and how to employ them. A different animal. I think that is your quote.

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Posted: 4/17/2012 6:32:25 AM Wow, the industry seems to very different over there. Over here, we are all of a very high standard and very well trained. Nobody would put up with airheads or idiots. Doctors would kick them out, and companies would sack them. Then again, pharma marketing here can only be aimed at doctors. It is forbidden to talk to the public at all. Our industry here is very tightly self regulated. No prescription drug ads on TV at all.

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Posted: 4/17/2012 7:21:47 AM [Last Edit: 4/17/2012 7:22:17 AM by dbd870] Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By demobud: I didn't think successful drug reps were hurting for that much extra money. And since when do you earn OT on commission? They are salaried and get bonuses, I know that much. Don't know how common commission is in that field. My brother is a district sales manager for Lilly's. He and his people are salary plus bonus. I agree they will be found exempt and the lawsuit is going nowhere.

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Posted: 4/17/2012 9:17:28 AM Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By Deer_huntn: True, I was tired of feeling like a walking billboard, or a glorified deliver driver (drug samples). Past 5 years in ortho trauma and love it. If the pharma reps are complaining about no overtime then, well just wow. That field has gone down hill in the past 10 years. Many others work harder for much less. Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By armoredsaint: Originally Posted By 40BOY: Most of the reps I see when I go to my doctor are hotties in short skirts carrying restaurant boxes in the back door. they ruined what was once a great career - they reinforced the barbie and ken airhead stereotype. reason why i left and went into medical device/diagnostic sales - dumb-asses don't make it this far Sounds like I need to find me a job in the med device industry. Getting tired of the electrical equipment thing. True. The device reps understand thoroughly their devices and how to employ them. A different animal. I think that is your quote. Yeah not sure what happened there. Thanks

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Posted: 4/17/2012 9:29:58 AM Found this on the plaintiff website: " However, pharma reps don’t sell any pharmaceuticals to the physicians they visit. In fact, they are barred by federal law from doing so. So, although some of their activities appear similar to traditional sales people, federal regulations prohibit them from selling their employer’s drugs to doctors or anyone else." So federal law says you can't sell drugs as a drug rep therefore your employeer can't classify you as an outside sales even though you were paid a bonus related to sales numbers in your territory. Sounds like the drug makers are screwed either way. Government intervention at it's best.

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Posted: 4/17/2012 8:16:47 PM It's true that the rep doesn't "sell" drugs. The reps talk to the doc about the drugs. The doc chooses to prescribe them or not. In a hospital you don't buy the drugs from the rep either. They talk about the drug, then you order from some supplier. You don't buy your Glock from R. Lee Ermey or your DD M4 from The LAV. You get it from a gunstore or CDNN, Bud's etc. I ordered drugs and equipment for a university clinic. Get out catalog, call 1800 number, give account number, they ship it. Rep shows up occasionally and asks about your experience with the drugs/equipment and talks about new drugs equipment. Used to bring you lunch while they were at it.

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Posted: 4/17/2012 8:32:35 PM Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: It's true that the rep doesn't "sell" drugs. The reps talk to the doc about the drugs. The doc chooses to prescribe them or not. In a hospital you don't buy the drugs from the rep either. They talk about the drug, then you order from some supplier. You don't buy your Glock from R. Lee Ermey or your DD M4 from The LAV. You get it from a gunstore or CDNN, Bud's etc. I ordered drugs and equipment for a university clinic. Get out catalog, call 1800 number, give account number, they ship it. Rep shows up occasionally and asks about your experience with the drugs/equipment and talks about new drugs equipment. Used to bring you lunch while they were at it. all the while you're staring at her nice titties and nice long legs

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Posted: 4/17/2012 8:39:29 PM Originally Posted By armoredsaint: Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: It's true that the rep doesn't "sell" drugs. The reps talk to the doc about the drugs. The doc chooses to prescribe them or not. In a hospital you don't buy the drugs from the rep either. They talk about the drug, then you order from some supplier. You don't buy your Glock from R. Lee Ermey or your DD M4 from The LAV. You get it from a gunstore or CDNN, Bud's etc. I ordered drugs and equipment for a university clinic. Get out catalog, call 1800 number, give account number, they ship it. Rep shows up occasionally and asks about your experience with the drugs/equipment and talks about new drugs equipment. Used to bring you lunch while they were at it. all the while you're staring at her nice titties and nice long legs Eye contact, eye contact, eye contact.....it's hard sometimes.

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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 10121 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/18/2012 8:28:02 PM [Last Edit: 4/18/2012 8:30:33 PM by EvanWilliams] I have to correct the date. SCOTUS heard oral arguments on 16 April. Here is a good link to a good summary of the case. Thanks to Nolocontendere for turning me on to SCOTUS blog in his posts. SCOTUS Blog Case Summary . SCOTUS Blog Coverage 16 April
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Posted: 4/18/2012 10:18:46 PM I have been a pharmacist for over 40 years now. Back in my early days the reps were usually other pharmacists, or had degrees inrelated fields such as bacteriology or chemistry, and knew what they were talking about. Today there are very few with the background to promote intelligent discussion about any pharmaceutical other than the specific product they are promoting, Most are only taught anything about their one or two products to promote as opposed to wide variety of products they were knowledgeablew about years ago. I had a brother in law who retired from Lilly back in the mid 70's. He knew the Lilly product line as well as the products of his competitors well. Nowdays when a rep arrives, at least from my standpoint all they want to know is what physician is using their product and do not try to educate you on any significant or unique aspect of the product. One rep which we had knew his antibiotics fairly well, he was apparently a good student never forgetting to remind everyone that he had a MBA, as if any of us in the mediclal fields gave a damn. Most of the presentations they give are so canned that it's not even funny. I had gotten to the point where I refused to see a rep. they are a waste a time.

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Posted: 4/18/2012 10:34:01 PM Originally Posted By jkingrph: I have been a pharmacist for over 40 years now. Back in my early days the reps were usually other pharmacists, or had degrees inrelated fields such as bacteriology or chemistry, and knew what they were talking about. Today there are very few with the background to promote intelligent discussion about any pharmaceutical other than the specific product they are promoting, Most are only taught anything about their one or two products to promote as opposed to wide variety of products they were knowledgeablew about years ago. I had a brother in law who retired from Lilly back in the mid 70's. He knew the Lilly product line as well as the products of his competitors well. Nowdays when a rep arrives, at least from my standpoint all they want to know is what physician is using their product and do not try to educate you on any significant or unique aspect of the product. One rep which we had knew his antibiotics fairly well, he was apparently a good student never forgetting to remind everyone that he had a MBA, as if any of us in the mediclal fields gave a damn. Most of the presentations they give are so canned that it's not even funny. I had gotten to the point where I refused to see a rep. they are a waste a time. I don't see reps nearly as often as the past. So fewer clinical people going into that now from what u say There is one rep who is pushing desflurane ( anesthetic gas) that thinks she knows how to do my job. I want to ask her how many people she has anesthetized with her boring ass power points.

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EvanWilliams Texas Porch Honkey Team Member Joined: Nov 2009  TX, USA Posts: 10126 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/18/2012 10:35:02 PM Originally Posted By AFARR: Colcrys. Never heard of it.
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Posted: 4/18/2012 10:49:44 PM [Last Edit: 4/18/2012 10:50:20 PM by midcap] Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By jkingrph: I have been a pharmacist for over 40 years now. Back in my early days the reps were usually other pharmacists, or had degrees inrelated fields such as bacteriology or chemistry, and knew what they were talking about. Today there are very few with the background to promote intelligent discussion about any pharmaceutical other than the specific product they are promoting, Most are only taught anything about their one or two products to promote as opposed to wide variety of products they were knowledgeablew about years ago. I had a brother in law who retired from Lilly back in the mid 70's. He knew the Lilly product line as well as the products of his competitors well. Nowdays when a rep arrives, at least from my standpoint all they want to know is what physician is using their product and do not try to educate you on any significant or unique aspect of the product. One rep which we had knew his antibiotics fairly well, he was apparently a good student never forgetting to remind everyone that he had a MBA, as if any of us in the mediclal fields gave a damn. Most of the presentations they give are so canned that it's not even funny. I had gotten to the point where I refused to see a rep. they are a waste a time. I don't see reps nearly as often as the past. So fewer clinical people going into that now from what u say There is one rep who is pushing desflurane ( anesthetic gas) that thinks she knows how to do my job. I want to ask her how many people she has anesthetized with her boring ass power points. I think they are a lot of that happening these days. People using power point presentation as a crutch instead of actually giving you information that you can apply and use.

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Posted: 4/19/2012 4:08:33 AM Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By AFARR: Colcrys. Never heard of it. Fell under the FDA's "Unapproved Drugs Initiative". The company that makes it (URL Pharma) did the testing on it....submitted it to the FDA and got a 3 year exclusive license to sell it....so no generics for 3 years. So...the FDA took a drug that was selling for literally pennies per pill (about 7 or 8 pill course of treatment) and allows it to be sold for $5 a pill. The generic.... Colchicine. Same drug that's been around for 1500 years (yes, you read that right)....fifteen hundred years....and some indications that it's been twice that long....to treat Gout went brand name because it had not been 'tested' by FDA standards.

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Posted: 4/19/2012 10:20:19 AM [Last Edit: 4/19/2012 10:21:38 AM by 2tired2run] Originally Posted By jkingrph: I have been a pharmacist for over 40 years now. Back in my early days the reps were usually other pharmacists, or had degrees inrelated fields such as bacteriology or chemistry, and knew what they were talking about. Today there are very few with the background to promote intelligent discussion about any pharmaceutical other than the specific product they are promoting, Most are only taught anything about their one or two products to promote as opposed to wide variety of products they were knowledgeablew about years ago. I had a brother in law who retired from Lilly back in the mid 70's. He knew the Lilly product line as well as the products of his competitors well. Nowdays when a rep arrives, at least from my standpoint all they want to know is what physician is using their product and do not try to educate you on any significant or unique aspect of the product. One rep which we had knew his antibiotics fairly well, he was apparently a good student never forgetting to remind everyone that he had a MBA, as if any of us in the mediclal fields gave a damn. Most of the presentations they give are so canned that it's not even funny. I had gotten to the point where I refused to see a rep. they are a waste a time. I had a discussion with my doctor and he mentioned the same thing. The reps were basically useless and had little to no knowledge of the product. For a good pharma sales manager that's an oppurtunity really. Bring people in educate them on the product and make them useful to your customers. Most professionals don't have time for BS these days, if they're going to allocate time to meet with a sales rep, the sales rep had better bring someting useful to the meeting other than just lunch. If you're useful to the customer then you will be first person they call.

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SevenMaryThree Member Team Member Joined: Mar 2005  AZ, USA Posts: 17302 Feedback: 100% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/19/2012 10:30:27 AM Back in the mid-late 90s my company did chain of custody logistics of pharm samples to the reps for PDMA compliance. We made lots of money with after hours "exact" appointments consisting of 15 minute delivery windows at storage facilities. Biggest bunch of whiney, self entitled pussies I've ever worked with...and I've worked with a chit load of them.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 10:38:53 AM Originally Posted By speedracer422: Overtime? I thought that was pretty much a straight commission job? Anyway, they should be careful what they fight for...I worked for a company that had a class action lawsuit filed by the service managers about overtime. I was a service manger but didn't sign on as I figured, salary means salary Well, the company lost the suit, paid out the "overtime" and completely changed the payplan for the position to absolute shit; it was quite possible to make more cash as a salesman after the payplan overhaul than a manager at many of the stores...assholes shot themselves in the foot because they couldn't hack retail management hours Speed Yeah, no kidding. Their claim is rather ridiculous on its face based on the normal criteria that distinguish exempt from non-exempt, but in any case - what do they think is going to happen if they win? Do they really think that their commission and performance-based pay isn't going to get slashed to make up for the OT pay? All this will do is reward people who spend lots of time on busywork and punish those who are efficient and effective salespeople.

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Posted: 4/19/2012 11:35:21 AM Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Originally Posted By Zaphod: There are pretty specific guidelines for determining who is exempt and who isn't. I just recently went through the exercise with two of my employees. Sales reps are going to be found exempt... How long before they can fire the complainers without repercussion? Lots of cutbacks and layoffs in the drug rep field the last couple years. I predict another round soon after this is settled.

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Posted: 4/19/2012 11:45:17 AM Originally Posted By jkingrph: I have been a pharmacist for over 40 years now. Back in my early days the reps were usually other pharmacists, or had degrees inrelated fields such as bacteriology or chemistry, and knew what they were talking about. Today there are very few with the background to promote intelligent discussion about any pharmaceutical other than the specific product they are promoting, Most are only taught anything about their one or two products to promote as opposed to wide variety of products they were knowledgeablew about years ago. I had a brother in law who retired from Lilly back in the mid 70's. He knew the Lilly product line as well as the products of his competitors well. Nowdays when a rep arrives, at least from my standpoint all they want to know is what physician is using their product and do not try to educate you on any significant or unique aspect of the product. One rep which we had knew his antibiotics fairly well, he was apparently a good student never forgetting to remind everyone that he had a MBA, as if any of us in the mediclal fields gave a damn. Most of the presentations they give are so canned that it's not even funny. I had gotten to the point where I refused to see a rep. they are a waste a time. Truth. I enjoy messing with the marketing majors if they get obnoxious, though. Start asking some pointed questions and they just wilt when you get them off their canned script.

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sharky30 Giggity Giggity Giggity Team Member Joined: Jun 2001  NY, USA Posts: 25412 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/19/2012 12:41:13 PM ok, pay them minimum wage plus commission, the OT would only be based on the minimum wage amount right?
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