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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:02:23 PM
Why do you feel the need to tell us that? Why do people tell me about their tiny lineage to Indian tribes? Is this supposed to make you feel at one with everything or something?

I was at the coffee shop this morning and this girl who got my coffee had a tattoo of a dream weaver her arm. She pretty much looked like Brittney Spears. Do Indians actually do dreamweavers or is that just a crappy souvenir to sell to white folks? (I have a Dreamweaver. It came with CS5.)

My buddy married a woman who is 1/4 Indian something or other (he's white). We were drinking beers and I made an Indian joke and all of the sudden he turns serious and points out that his daughter is 1/2 Indian. (He's not so good with the fractions.) After a lifetime of gay and ethnic jokes over beers, all of the sudden he's Mr. Sensitive. (Think John Goodman in Big Lebowski.)

I'm not a PC thug. Our local paper won't refer to any sports teams by their mascot if it's Indian related (they just say the city like Cleaveland beat the Twins.) I don't care for the renaming of teams because of political correctness. However, if I was sitting with a couple of full blooded Indians and one of my white friends showed them their dreamweaver or mentioned how they totally understood where they're coming from because they are 1/64th, I think I'd shrugg and apologize for my white friends retardation.

So in summary if you want to change the name of our mascot or not pay state taxes, go fuck yourselves. If you're offended by "spiritual" white folks, I'm with you on that one.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:04:00 PM
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This is all you have to be pissed off about today?



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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:04:51 PM
Everyone is 1/16th indian


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I am 1/2 female, but I look and function as 100% male. I guess that's called "passing."
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:09:14 PM
I'm 1/32 Cherokee.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:10:24 PM
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:11:17 PM
It baffles me. My family did everything in it's power to hide the fact that they were Native American at one point. They Anglicized their names and basically went to ground rather than getting shipped to Oklahoma. I guess it's a way for white people to be hip and in a minority now. I have friends who are "real" Native Americans and some of those card carrying genealogy types drive them wild. It's especially amusing when they start "practicing the faith of their ancestors" but don't bother to actually learn from any of their Elders.

In AIM circles I'm considered "one of them" but I definitely don't self-identify as Native American.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:11:44 PM
If I was any part Indian I wouldn't admit it to anyone. Have you been to an Indian reservation lately? Most of them live like shit and the dominant trait lately seems to be laziness.

Sad part is, it's not really their fault. This is what happens when you give a people a free ride.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:12:01 PM
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:13:06 PM
Originally Posted By keroppl:
Everyone is 1/16th indian




This is my experience. Especially teenage girls for some reason.

Me? I'm just a toe headed Norwegian through and through.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:15:55 PM
I'm 100% Native American. I was born here. I'm not an "indian" or a member of any "tribal" group, because I'm your average while male, descended from european ancestry. But i'm just as much a native american as every other red blooded American that was born here.

There's nothing wrong with having pride in your lineage. Using it as a barganing chip is dishonoring your ancestors.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:16:13 PM
Originally Posted By keroppl:
Everyone is 1/16th indian




I'm only 1/512th Chinook.

I'm less cool than all the 16thers
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:17:17 PM
I'm 15/64ths Innuit, but only from the waist down.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:17:33 PM
Got any indian in ya????





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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:18:26 PM
Nope, not a 1/64 Cherokee. I'm 1/32
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:18:51 PM
I 63/64 don't give a shit what peoples' backgrounds are.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:19:23 PM
I'm 1/8 black from the waist down.

That is 1/8 of an inch.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:19:24 PM
I'm fairly certain that I don't have any Indian ancestry.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:20:30 PM
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:20:31 PM
I legitimately am 1/64th Cherokee, and Mom has the genealogical records to prove it.

I don't see how that has any bearing on anything though. I certainly don't consider myself "native American."
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:20:55 PM
I'm twice that much. 1/32nd. It matters not.


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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:23:48 PM
Originally Posted By mtechgunman:
If I was any part Indian I wouldn't admit it to anyone. Have you been to an Indian reservation lately? Most of them live like shit and the dominant trait lately seems to be laziness.

Sad part is, it's not really their fault. This is what happens when you give a people a free ride.


Not true. I know plenty of Indians who work their asses off. If they wanted to go drink when they were done, they were hanging out with the various whites who did the exact same thing.

The fractional Indians were the annoying ones. They were the kind of people who were black when that was profitbale and would claim Norwegian ancestry if they thought there was an extra welfare check in it. A friend who is a pure Muscogee put it plainly: "The eagle ain't gonna fly and the buffalo ain't gonna roam. Get a job."
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:26:42 PM
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I am 1/2 female, but I look and function as 100% male. I guess that's called "passing."


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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:26:59 PM
Originally Posted By mtechgunman:
If I was any part Indian I wouldn't admit it to anyone. Have you been to an Indian reservation lately? Most of them live like shit and the dominant trait lately seems to be laziness.

Sad part is, it's not really their fault. This is what happens when you give a people a free ride.

You ain't kidding about that.


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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:29:54 PM

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Originally Posted By mtechgunman:
If I was any part Indian I wouldn't admit it to anyone. Have you been to an Indian reservation lately? Most of them live like shit and the dominant trait lately seems to be laziness.

Sad part is, it's not really their fault. This is what happens when you give a people a free ride.


Not true. I know plenty of Indians who work their asses off. If they wanted to go drink when they were done, they were hanging out with the various whites who did the exact same thing.

The fractional Indians were the annoying ones. They were the kind of people who were black when that was profitbale and would claim Norwegian ancestry if they thought there was an extra welfare check in it. A friend who is a pure Muscogee put it plainly: "The eagle ain't gonna fly and the buffalo ain't gonna roam. Get a job."

I'm not surprised that it's not the case everywhere, but it most definitely is the case on the reservations I have been to in Wyoming, Montana and North Dakota. And I've spent quite a bit of time on a lot of these reservations. I deal with one reservation on a daily basis, actually.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:32:25 PM

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I'm 1/32 Cherokee.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:33:39 PM
I may be more like 1/128 or 1/256 Cherokee. Great-grandma Wilson(2nd husband) nee Hesse(Anderson-1st husband) used to claim some Cherokee in her background. I figure if it was legitimate it was one of her grandparents or great-grandparents. Her father Had a German name, but I don't know details beyond that. Everybody else on that side of my family is Scotch-Irish or German.

My dad hails from Belgium.



I figure I'm a plain American mutt.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:36:03 PM
My teenage stepson is like 1 zillionth Cherokee, and he thought it would work better than sunscreen when we did last year's beach trip. He was incorrect. If he is 1/64 Cherokee, he is still 63/64 Scot/Irish/German/Swedish, which makes for a fine sunburn.
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Originally Posted By jeepnstein:
It baffles me. My family did everything in it's power to hide the fact that they were Native American at one point. They Anglicized their names and basically went to ground rather than getting shipped to Oklahoma. I guess it's a way for white people to be hip and in a minority now. I have friends who are "real" Native Americans and some of those card carrying genealogy types drive them wild. It's especially amusing when they start "practicing the faith of their ancestors" but don't bother to actually learn from any of their Elders.

In AIM circles I'm considered "one of them" but I definitely don't self-identify as Native American.


+1 I never knew that my dad's lineage had Native American. Some one told me I had an Aura or what ever and to ask my dad about it. Back in the 1800's it wasn't cool to be Indian. Name Change for the
next census and we have been White ever since. I think my Great Grandfather or his dad was full blooded Iroquois but can't get a straight answer and all the great's in my family are deceased.


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My ancestry is 1/2 German and 1/2 Hillbilly. There could be a lot of possibilities in that mix...
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:40:19 PM
As a matter of fact, I am exactly 1/64 Cherokee.


Somwhere down the family tree is a tepee creeper.





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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:40:59 PM

Originally Posted By surveyor3:
I'm pure blooded. 1/2 Scots-Irish, 1/4 German and a 1/4 French.

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ETA I enjoy drinking. Imagine that.

Mexican and Irish.

I too love the drink

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no, 1/128. essentially 3/4 German. Rest is a motley crew of mutt.
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My step-dad's side of the family (including my 2 half-sisters) are Cherokee. It never meant much to us until my uncle and dad got sick...uncle has MS, dad had a combination of flu/diabetes/heart attack that almost killed him. My uncle had been paying astronomical medical bills until one of his health care providers asked if he was Native American (you wouldn't guess it from looking, red hair, lol) and he told them he was Cherokee...then the Cherokee Nation health benefits kicked in. Better doctors, medications covered (he was paying about $3k a month out of pocket for meds, after insurance)...it saved him from bankruptcy. Then my dad got sick, they had to airlift him to a regional hospital. Even though mom and dad had insurance coverage specifically for that, it still would have wiped out their retirement if the Cherokee Nation hadn't picked up what insurance didn't cover.

Personally, I was told for 20 years that my side of the family was part Indian. Then my mom got into geneology...nada. Irish, Irish, and more Irish. Apparently the only part of my family that wasn't Irish was a Danish baker back in the 1600's that gave us a Germanic last name. I'm still thankful for the Cherokee Nation and what they've done for my family, though.

I used to think 1/64th was the cutoff for benefits, but I believe that was incorrect, you just have to have proof of ancestry.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:48:32 PM

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This is all you have to be pissed off about today?



BTW, Im 1/16th Lenni Lenape
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:49:59 PM
Well I am 1/4 Cherokee (card carrying member of the tribe(means I have a cdib card) and that also means I am 3/4 white boy (I look like white boy) I married a 1/4 Cherokee woman who looks very Native american. we were both born and raised in Oklahoma. Our 3 sons are registered as 3/8 degree blood. we are doing our part to breed the white man out.
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Why do you feel the need to tell us that? Why do people tell me about their tiny lineage to Indian tribes? Is this supposed to make you feel at one with everything or something?


No, its so you know if you piss them off, they'll come take 1/64th of your scalp. Chief Shed-a-Tear needs hair plugs.

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Try to find someone, anyone in the Southeast whose great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother was not a Cherokee princess.

A dim connection to native royalty is no excuse for inbreeding. I'm talking to you, Appalachia.
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My great Grandma was full blooded Cherokee. My great Grandpa refused to let her sign up for Indian benefits, he didn't want the gov't's money. So there is no way to legally prove that I am whatever percent Cherokee.
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If my great grandmother were still alive she would be getting a check from the casino.
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I grew up in the country, and A LOT of dudes lied and claimed 'Indian' blood simply because they thought it gave them more woods cred as hunters. Maybe 1 in 10 had some.
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