Originally Posted By amd_dude:
in before anyone who thinks critically about genetic space farms is a communist

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Bad science reporting. If that pesticide were killing hives, they would have found it in the affected colonies.

They didn't.

Originally Posted By hondaciv:


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If bees all went away, we would be fucked. REALLY REALLY FUCKED.

Originally Posted By sherrick13:
All the crops and flowers and stuff was supposed to be dead by now and the world in famine mode.

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
HFCS is killing us too, yet everyone is worrying about the motherfucking bees. I don't think it is any coincidence that the obesity problem in this country started at about the same time HFCS started being used in place of sugar in most flavored drinks fucking everything.

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:


Most of the sodas consumed in foreign countries seem to use sugar. Even the people in Mexico refuse to drink HFCS, therefore the stuff Coke and Pepsi produces for them has real sugar. But I would like to see such a study performed, as there are surely other nations with widespread HFCS use.

Originally Posted By GeorgeInNePa:

Originally Posted By RJGatling:


Last time you started blathering your nonsense in one of these threads, a beekeeper explained to you that he had lost 2/3 of his hives to it that year.

Not that I expect you to learn anything from such posts, of course, seeing as how you know-it-all already.

Originally Posted By Gulbrandr2:


I don't want to live in a world without honey, but, yeah.

No bees = no pollination = no crops = no food.

Originally Posted By S-28:
For about 5 years running, the Bee keeper that we contract with for pollenation, has been blaming Neonicotinoids(Imadaclorpid).

HFCS is likely NOT the vector here, despite the connection.

Imadaclorpid works as a systemic, and works by killing the pests that bite or suck on the treated plant.
Which means plant tissues including the blossoms/pollen/nectar will have traces of the pesticide as well, if the plant/tree/bush was treated recently, and even several months earlier.

The same bees that get trucked to Mexifornia for the almonds etc. out there, end up getting trucked all over the south and midwest as the various crops blossom.
Thanks to the USDA/EPA phasing out several older pesticides that were effective, and the newer RR (Reduced enviro risk) pesticides bieng adopted at greater cost, the Imadaclorpid based stuff has been leaned on HARD for all manner of applications, especially tree fruits and nuts, as well as by homeowners using it in ready use form around the house for everything from tree pests to Termites. The only treatment for the Emerald Ash borer is Imadaclorpid and the stuff has been applied by the truckload all over the country in that regard.

It works on Termites the same way it messes with Bees. They wander away from the colony and croak..which was the first clue.

Bees cannot get away from it, as it is everywhere. Corn or no corn.

Why is it still on the market? Easy. The Feds pulled the plug on cost effective pesticides, and the organic vegan hippie freaks have labeled all Organophosphates as planet poison. The alternatives to Imadaclorpid are not cost effective, or are prohibited by many customers in many cases. Pull Imadaclorpid without a viable alternative bieng available and there will be carnage.

We restrict application of any Neonicotinoid based pesticides untill after pollenation, and then only use the stuff if necessary, favoring older standbys that are proven. This year the price on the least hazardous option went through the roof, again, thanks again to the activist EPA. It's almost as if the EPA/USDA are pushing for greater use of Imadaclorpid, and the insanely cost ineffective RR insecticides.

I say ban the shit. It isn't worth it. Just lemme have Carbaryl(Sevin) at a reasonable price again, and quit trying to tell me I can afford to go broke using the RR crap that isn't rainfast or effective..

Originally Posted By Von_Goobins:
Honeybees weren't native to the western hemisphere. European settlers brought them here. We will survive.

Originally Posted By drew5337:
It didn't kill the bee's outright, just fucked with their brains enough that they couldn't find their way home.

I fucking hate corn, and all products derived from it, and all the crony capitalism and farm subsidies that go along with it.


The one HUGE exception of course being bourbon. Everything else made with that shit grain is rubbish.

Originally Posted By S-28:
For about 5 years running, the Bee keeper that we contract with for pollenation, has been blaming Neonicotinoids(Imadaclorpid).

HFCS is likely NOT the vector here, despite the connection.

Imadaclorpid works as a systemic, and works by killing the pests that bite or suck on the treated plant.
Which means plant tissues including the blossoms/pollen/nectar will have traces of the pesticide as well, if the plant/tree/bush was treated recently, and even several months earlier.

The same bees that get trucked to Mexifornia for the almonds etc. out there, end up getting trucked all over the south and midwest as the various crops blossom.
Thanks to the USDA/EPA phasing out several older pesticides that were effective, and the newer RR (Reduced enviro risk) pesticides bieng adopted at greater cost, the Imadaclorpid based stuff has been leaned on HARD for all manner of applications, especially tree fruits and nuts, as well as by homeowners using it in ready use form around the house for everything from tree pests to Termites. The only treatment for the Emerald Ash borer is Imadaclorpid and the stuff has been applied by the truckload all over the country in that regard.


QFT

It works on Termites the same way it messes with Bees. They wander away from the colony and croak..which was the first clue.

Bees cannot get away from it, as it is everywhere. Corn or no corn.

Why is it still on the market? Easy. The Feds pulled the plug on cost effective pesticides, and the organic vegan hippie freaks have labeled all Organophosphates as planet poison. The alternatives to Imadaclorpid are not cost effective, or are prohibited by many customers in many cases. Pull Imadaclorpid without a viable alternative bieng available and there will be carnage.

We restrict application of any Neonicotinoid based pesticides untill after pollenation, and then only use the stuff if necessary, favoring older standbys that are proven. This year the price on the least hazardous option went through the roof, again, thanks again to the activist EPA. It's almost as if the EPA/USDA are pushing for greater use of Imadaclorpid, and the insanely cost ineffective RR insecticides.

I say ban the shit. It isn't worth it. Just lemme have Carbaryl(Sevin) at a reasonable price again, and quit trying to tell me I can afford to go broke using the RR crap that isn't rainfast or effective..

Originally Posted By sherrick13:
All the crops and flowers and stuff was supposed to be dead by now and the world in famine mode.

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Bad science reporting. If that pesticide were killing hives, they would have found it in the affected colonies.

They didn't.

Originally Posted By JCKnife:


At some point, humanity will be extinct. Then won't you look foolish?

Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
I highly doubt that result.

Have they bothered to see if any countries do not have the problem? If so, what are they not using, that we are?

Originally Posted By chicobrownbear:


Bam.