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Link Posted: 5/16/2015 6:20:51 PM EDT
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Here's something that appeared in my inbox. Has some links to mainstream articles you can check out..............

Dear Investor,

It's not on the front page...yet.

But it will be.

Some governments, central banks and mega-banks are waging a secret war on cash. They are even talking about outlawing the use of physical currency. This new reality might be closer than you think.

Consider these recent headlines (all from April 2015):

Large U.S. Bank Bans Wire Transfers, Limits Cash Withdrawals (TheCrux)
JPMorgan Chase Bans Storage of Cash in its Safety Deposit Boxes (InfoWars)
Citi Economist Says It Might Be Time to Abolish Cash (Bloomberg)
Sweden Moving Towards Cashless Economy (CBSNews)


We can all imagine a world without cash. But do we want to live in it?

Are you ready to have your bank take money from you for the privilege of having it on deposit? It's called a "negative interest rate." If cash is banned, you will be stuck with it.

Cash is King -- and Authoritarians Want Him Dead

Excerpted from April 2015 Elliott Wave Theorist

The example offered above demonstrates part of the reason why some lenders are willing to accept a negative yield on their money: They expect to get back more valuable money. But ultimately it's a fool's game, since deflation will usher in depression, and the debtors of the world won't be able to return the money they borrowed.

This outlook leads us to a related reason why some lenders accept negative interest rates: They fear default from so many lenders that they are willing to pay for the privilege of lending to a perceived safe borrower.

But such logic goes only so far. There is a limit to the extent of negative rates, which is the value of the convenience of holding an electronic balance as compared to the cost and bother of holding cash notes. If it is just as convenient for an entity to hold cash as to make a negative-interest-rate loan, there is no reason at all to lend money at a negative rate.

People and institutions holding billions of dollars have been trapped into accepting a negative interest rate--meaning a guaranteed loss on their money--because gathering, storing and employing an equivalent value of cash notes would cost more than the amount lost to negative interest.

But there is a limit to this reverse usury. A large enough disparity would make it attractive even for billionaires to store cash instead of lend it. What is that interest-rate limit? Minus 2%? Minus 5%? If the limit is reached, even wealthy entities will opt for cash. That is, if the men with the guns let them do it.

Apologists for governments, central banks and the bankers of the world are not content with the current situation, in which people have a refuge. They want to make sure their confiscatory policies ensnare everyone. They do not want anyone to escape the trap, especially the most financially prudent and responsible people, i.e. savers.

Setting up a system in which bankers can keep all the profits on their good trades while tapping taxpayers to bail them out of all their bad trades is not enough for them. They want more. They want you locked in to their system so they can steal value from your bank account without going through the tiring and politically sensitive medium of government bail-outs. They want to ensure that you have no possible route of escape.

How will they do it? By outlawing cash.
Read the following article and note the featured economist's casual arrogance in proposing what is in essence a totalitarian plan for trapping your money. It is a tacit admission that the fake-money system won't work unless rulers can enslave you. This means the system is built for the benefit of a few elites, not for everyone.

April 13, 2015

Why central banks should embrace negative interest rates -- and get rid of currency

During the heart of the Great Recession in 2009, a traditional policy rule used as an informal guide by the Federal Reserve suggested that interest rates should be set below negative 5%.

But economists had long said that interest rates couldn't go below zero.

To get around this "zero-lower-bound," then Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke bought billions of dollars of securities and expanded the Fed's balance sheet to spur low rates and risk-taking, in a policy known as quantitative easing. The move set off a fierce political firestorm that hasn't subsided even though Bernanke's steps have been followed by other major central banks, including the European Central Bank.

With this background, economists have pondered what should be done to get ready for the next, inevitable, recession, and the chances that economic conditions may call for rates to go below zero in the future.

Willem Buiter, global chief economist at Citi, is arguing in a new research note that central banks should be prepared to set negative rates.

What is the obstacle? A key reason that central banks can't set rates as low as they would like is cash. The theory is that savers would take all of their money out of banks rather than be charged a negative rate.

What to do? Well, one idea is to get rid of cash and move to digital payments.

Sound absurd?

Not to Buiter, who is deadly earnest. He said that there are only three constituencies left for cash. The elderly and the poor depend on cash and can be helped, he said. Criminals also depend on cash because it is anonymous. The third complaints will come from libertarians who "should take one for the team," he said.

Buiter said that Finland, Singapore and the U.S. are three countries ready to rely mostly on digital payments.

He noted that, for the first time in history, four central banks -- the ECB, the Swiss National Bank, the Swedish Riksbank, and the Danish Nationalbank -- all currently have negative policy rates.

What about savers?

Buiter said there will be "howls of horror" from savers, but said discouraging savings is exactly what significantly negative interest rates are designed to achieve as it would increase investment and eliminate demand deficiency.

"It is important to highlight that discouraging saving (and encouraging spending) is not a bug of significantly negative interest rates, but a feature," he wrote. (MarketWatch)

I won't even address the Keynesian absurdity of discouraging saving in favor of consumption, as if eating one's capital will magically lead to paradise instead of ruin. Such nonsense has become institutionalized among economists to the extent that it is offered up every day in the media. This philosophy both requires authoritarianism and leads to more of it.

The government intrusion into medical care in 1965 was of the same mold, and has led down the same path, to a trap you cannot escape, where you are systematically robbed of money and deprived of service. That's where our banking system is headed, too, and this is just more evidence of it.

To the point: Notice how this economist--who in this role is not an economist but a political central planner--disparages cash by associating it with criminals, the meek poor and the addled elderly. He says the answer to the distress that his plan will produce for the latter two groups is--surprise--more collectivism.

As for hard-working people who might want to protect their savings, he says, screw them. His blithe cleverness on how to do it is like that of East German bureaucrats who figured out that the best way to trap people into submission was just to outlaw employment without a permit. Simple! People will cooperate or die. Problem solved.

He says libertarians--people who champion the far-out-of-fashion value of liberty--should "take one for the team." But central bankers and governments are not some team. They are grasping, corrupt, dissolute, self-interested rulers. This is like slave-owners telling their newest acquisitions to turn in all their production to the slave-master for the good of the team. Go, Slaves! America's Team!
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Link Posted: 5/16/2015 10:26:49 PM EDT
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Read past the picture, he really had nothing to do with this article.

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"Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies.  Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy.


Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible."


 
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       HELLO, FREEDOM LOVERS!


Ever wonder how you lose it?
PAPER:  Make cash illegal...

 


LOL, says Gordon Brown, who bottom-ticked the gold market and liquidated the UK's gold reserves at a huge loss.
Read past the picture, he really had nothing to do with this article.

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"Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies.  Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy.


Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible."


 

I think that last line is extremely ignorant and that it will actually encourage a "black economy." Why do you think they want to kill Bit Coin so bad? Imagine a currency controlled by the end user and not the Banksters. And as far as it being hard to rob people, yes maybe on a small scale. But when you rob people in the electronic economy, you can rob hundreds or millions at a time. The big guys are painting themselves into a corner. They need to raise the rates to bring sense to a market that can likely crash it when they do. I keep thinking rates need to go up. But they have more savings to steal first I guess. The question is still the same "not if, but when?" Then it will be, "how bad and how long?" All I know is I should be doing things different than I'm doing now. Normalcy bias I think.
Link Posted: 5/18/2015 11:57:17 AM EDT
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"We Are Entering The Terminal Phase Of The Global Financial System"



..."The
result is that all of the massive stimulus from the central banks has
gone into the financial inflation, not goods and services.
The
financial inflation is obviously the great bubble that afflicts the
entire financial system of the world.  It’s becoming increasingly
unstable and it will eventually collapse.  And when it does I think it will mark the complete failure of a monetary system that has basically been metastasizing since 1971."





Not a very positive outlook





He's probably just about to release a new book
















 
 
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..."The result is that all of the massive stimulus from the central banks has gone into the financial inflation, not goods and services. The financial inflation is obviously the great bubble that afflicts the entire financial system of the world.  It’s becoming increasingly unstable and it will eventually collapse.  And when it does I think it will mark the complete failure of a monetary system that has basically been metastasizing since 1971."


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With all of the major central banks 'printing' money via QE/LTROs with no end in sight it's hard to have a positive outlook on the financial health of our nation or the world. There is none, zero, nada historical precedent for what the CBs are doing on a global scale. It is a race to the bottom for all fiat currencies.
Link Posted: 5/18/2015 1:11:03 PM EDT
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As of March, Chase began restricting the use of cash in selected markets, including Greater Cleveland. The new policy restricts borrowers from using cash to make payments on credit cards, mortgages, equity lines, and auto loans. Chase even goes as far as to prohibit the storage of cash in its safe deposit boxes . In a letter to its customers dated April 1, 2015 pertaining to its “Updated Safe Deposit Box Lease Agreement,” one of the highlighted items reads: “You agree not to store any cash or coins other than those found to have a collectible value.”
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cant pay bills in cash? really? go fuck yourself....if you dont want to be repaid, then just say so. if you want to be repaid, then STFU about the form of payment as long as it is legal tender (see stories of people paying taxes/fines/settlements in pennies/coins)

also, to refuse cash is saying that you no longer trust/accept the fed gov....cash is a fed backed promise note

i love Chase bank but this is a move that is only going to hurt them...

maybe attacking cash will be the breaking point people need to take back control of this country/their lives
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..."The result is that all of the massive stimulus from the central banks has gone into the financial inflation, not goods and services. The financial inflation is obviously the great bubble that afflicts the entire financial system of the world.  It’s becoming increasingly unstable and it will eventually collapse.  And when it does I think it will mark the complete failure of a monetary system that has basically been metastasizing since 1971."


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People say that in 1971 Nixon "....took us off the gold standard".

But that's not entirely true.  

What happened in 1971 was a true....dollar default.  Or more specifically the U.S. government could not meet its obligations.  We just didn't "decide" to go off the gold standard, we we were force to.  

Nixon had no choice, he did not choose to take us off the gold standard, we had to do it because the fractional nature of our monetary system had over obligated the treasury, and people where cashing in.  We didn't have the gold to make good on all the promissory notes for gold we had floating around the world, in the form of our currency.  .  

As to David Stockman he makes a lot of good points, ...and a lot of nutty points.  But overall, I think he's close to right.

We are in a "terminal phase", and have been for over 40 years.  The thing is, this "terminal phase" as Stockman puts it, will not definitively and quickly resolve itself.  It's not going to happen on some idle Tuesday in October.  We're not going to a wake-up one day and say, "wow, that's over with".   It won't be over and done with quickly, or "neatly".  It will proceed as it has over the last 40 years.  Slow and steady, with "financial crisis", "market collapses", and various other economic storms coming in waves, which break and are resolved.  

And with each wave, the resolution will be MORE government, INCREASED disparity of wealth, and MORE authoritarianism, and LESS individual freedom.      

Future historians will argue when the actual "fall" occurred, much like we currently do with the "fall" of Rome, and other complex civilizations, and governmental systems.  


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"And with each wave, the resolution will be MORE government, INCREASED disparity of wealth, and MORE authoritarianism, and LESS individual freedom."


That abt sums it up...


Link Posted: 5/18/2015 7:31:48 PM EDT
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"We Are Entering The Terminal Phase Of The Global Financial System"

..."The result is that all of the massive stimulus from the central banks has gone into the financial inflation, not goods and services. The financial inflation is obviously the great bubble that afflicts the entire financial system of the world.  It’s becoming increasingly unstable and it will eventually collapse.  And when it does I think it will mark the complete failure of a monetary system that has basically been metastasizing since 1971."


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How to prepare?

Physical gold and precious metals.
Hold on to some foreign currencies. (Swiss Frank and Canadian dollar maybe)?
Have things you need stocked up and some barter items.
Pay off all your debts or not (this may be the WRONG thing to do in case of a default) //shrug//
Have a clear conscience.
Be in good health and weight - a panic with price controls or shortages on prescription drugs could reduce the population.
Cash in the 401K/IRA before it's looted and put it under your mattress so it can be looted.
Replace the ten year old car with a newer one based on reliability I guess.
Learn a foreign language.
Move from suburban to the exburbs or rural areas east of the Mississippi (if you think drought will be a problem), but get out of the inner-shitties.
Maybe hold some land or property overseas?
Get a mindset: the banks will close, credit cards will stop working, direct deposit and businesses will end, riots, floods, locusts, shortages, agitation propaganda, internet gone, cats sleeping with dogs.
Network with neighbors, family, friends.

Just stabbing in the dark.  

Please add to the depressing list.


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Pay off all your debts or not (this may be the WRONG thing to do in case of a default) //shrug//



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"We Are Entering The Terminal Phase Of The Global Financial System"

..."The result is that all of the massive stimulus from the central banks has gone into the financial inflation, not goods and services. The financial inflation is obviously the great bubble that afflicts the entire financial system of the world.  It’s becoming increasingly unstable and it will eventually collapse.  And when it does I think it will mark the complete failure of a monetary system that has basically been metastasizing since 1971."


Not a very positive outlook


He's probably just about to release a new book







   



Pay off all your debts or not (this may be the WRONG thing to do in case of a default) //shrug//





Why would it be wrong to pay off debt?
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Why would it be wrong to pay off debt?
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"We Are Entering The Terminal Phase Of The Global Financial System"

..."The result is that all of the massive stimulus from the central banks has gone into the financial inflation, not goods and services. The financial inflation is obviously the great bubble that afflicts the entire financial system of the world.  It’s becoming increasingly unstable and it will eventually collapse.  And when it does I think it will mark the complete failure of a monetary system that has basically been metastasizing since 1971."


Not a very positive outlook


He's probably just about to release a new book







   



Pay off all your debts or not (this may be the WRONG thing to do in case of a default) //shrug//





Why would it be wrong to pay off debt?



Might not be wrong morally, just might not be a timely strategy, and better to keep 'liquid' reserves.

This provides more financial flexibility.

Assuming the individual is sufficiently disciplined.






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"We Are Entering The Terminal Phase Of The Global Financial System"

..."The result is that all of the massive stimulus from the central banks has gone into the financial inflation, not goods and services. The financial inflation is obviously the great bubble that afflicts the entire financial system of the world.  It’s becoming increasingly unstable and it will eventually collapse.  And when it does I think it will mark the complete failure of a monetary system that has basically been metastasizing since 1971."


Not a very positive outlook


He's probably just about to release a new book







   



Pay off all your debts or not (this may be the WRONG thing to do in case of a default) //shrug//





Why would it be wrong to pay off debt?


What if businesses and banks are in such a bad way, that they start heavily discounting loans just to get them off the books.

If the velocity of money goes to near zero and nothing is moving, you may see firesales. Economics, pressure and human nature can make for interesting situations.


Even laws get broken. Look what happened to the bondholders of gubment motors. Sometimes, all bets are off. If you're liquid, it may be advantageous.

Cash may be king or may be useless.   In hyperinflation, you may be able to pay off your house rapidly.
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How to prepare?

Physical gold and precious metals.
Hold on to some foreign currencies. (Swiss Frank and Canadian dollar maybe)?
Have things you need stocked up and some barter items.
Pay off all your debts or not (this may be the WRONG thing to do in case of a default) //shrug//
Have a clear conscience.
Be in good health and weight - a panic with price controls or shortages on prescription drugs could reduce the population.
Cash in the 401K/IRA before it's looted and put it under your mattress so it can be looted.
Replace the ten year old car with a newer one based on reliability I guess.
Learn a foreign language.
Move from suburban to the exburbs or rural areas east of the Mississippi (if you think drought will be a problem), but get out of the inner-shitties.
Maybe hold some land or property overseas?
Get a mindset: the banks will close, credit cards will stop working, direct deposit and businesses will end, riots, floods, locusts, shortages, agitation propaganda, internet gone, cats sleeping with dogs.
Network with neighbors, family, friends.

Just stabbing in the dark.  

Please add to the depressing list.


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"We Are Entering The Terminal Phase Of The Global Financial System"

..."The result is that all of the massive stimulus from the central banks has gone into the financial inflation, not goods and services. The financial inflation is obviously the great bubble that afflicts the entire financial system of the world.  It’s becoming increasingly unstable and it will eventually collapse.  And when it does I think it will mark the complete failure of a monetary system that has basically been metastasizing since 1971."


Not a very positive outlook


He's probably just about to release a new book







   


How to prepare?

Physical gold and precious metals.
Hold on to some foreign currencies. (Swiss Frank and Canadian dollar maybe)?
Have things you need stocked up and some barter items.
Pay off all your debts or not (this may be the WRONG thing to do in case of a default) //shrug//
Have a clear conscience.
Be in good health and weight - a panic with price controls or shortages on prescription drugs could reduce the population.
Cash in the 401K/IRA before it's looted and put it under your mattress so it can be looted.
Replace the ten year old car with a newer one based on reliability I guess.
Learn a foreign language.
Move from suburban to the exburbs or rural areas east of the Mississippi (if you think drought will be a problem), but get out of the inner-shitties.
Maybe hold some land or property overseas?
Get a mindset: the banks will close, credit cards will stop working, direct deposit and businesses will end, riots, floods, locusts, shortages, agitation propaganda, internet gone, cats sleeping with dogs.
Network with neighbors, family, friends.

Just stabbing in the dark.  

Please add to the depressing list.



You're under the false assumption that you can prevail in this catastrophic collaps of the modern world.

I am here to tell you 98% of the world will not "prevail" it will merely get by at best, but more likely just suffer long enough to welcome death.
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I understand why we started VA hospitals, but today, they just aren't needed.  Veterans should be allowed to go to any hospital, rehabilitation center, or healthcare provider for care and treatment.   I say we close down the VA, and eliminate the federal department altogether.   The DOD should handle their own retirement plans and benefits.
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There are horrible government induced distortions permeating almost every aspect of our society.  The economy and financial system is just one symptom of these artificial manipulations.  Our society is floating on an ocean of debt, both public and private.  Voluntary relationships and transactions are so heavily regulated that in some areas,  they they don't even exist anymore.  Collectivism has muted the healthy, and natural regulation, of "cause and effect", and the free-market.  Government entitlements, rising healthcare, and education costs are other examples of these distortions at work.  

We've artificially widened the wealth gap, propped up individuals and institutions that should have failed, and thus reduced the healthy, and natural, dynamics of our system.  We've encouraged and artificially nurtured markets and transactions that would not exist if we left them to these natural market forces.  We've supported unnatural price levels in a great many areas.  We've intoxicated our society with the morphine of government interventions and unnatural complexities.  We've used the analgesics of debt to mask the true problems in our system.  People don't look at the "total cost" only the "payments", or their current ability to maintain debt service.  This phenomena permeates all levels of our society, starting with the individual.

People buy homes and major purchases based on their ability to service the debt.  Our public and private institutions use the same kind of logic undertaking all sorts of initiatives.  The problem with this should be obvious.  While the debt is real, and once incurred guaranteed to exist until paid off, the incomes and revenues we base our ability to service that debt are not.   You may have an adequate income source to service your current debt levels, but there is no guarantee that you will be able to maintain that income, or revenue in the future.  ...debt does matter, and we have too much.  

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There are horrible government induced distortions permeating almost every aspect of our society.  The economy and financial system is just one symptom of these artificial manipulations.  Our society is floating on an ocean of debt, both public and private.  Voluntary relationships and transactions are so heavily regulated that in some areas,  they they don't even exist anymore.  Collectivism has muted the healthy, and natural regulation, of "cause and effect", and the free-market.  Government entitlements, rising healthcare, and education costs are other examples of these distortions at work.  





We've artificially widened the wealth gap, propped up individuals and institutions that should have failed, and thus reduced the healthy, and natural, dynamics of our system.  We've encouraged and artificially nurtured markets and transactions that would not exist if we left them to these natural market forces.  We've supported unnatural price levels in a great many areas.  We've intoxicated our society with the morphine of government interventions and unnatural complexities.  We've used the analgesics of debt to mask the true problems in our system.  People don't look at the "total cost" only the "payments", or their current ability to maintain debt service.  This phenomena permeates all levels of our society, starting with the individual.





People buy homes and major purchases based on their ability to service the debt.  Our public and private institutions use the same kind of logic undertaking all sorts of initiatives.  The problem with this should be obvious.  While the debt is real, and once incurred guaranteed to exist until paid off, the incomes and revenues we base our ability to service that debt are not.   You may have an adequate income source to service your current debt levels, but there is no guarantee that you will be able to maintain that income, or revenue in the future.  ...debt does matter, and we have too much.  





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There are horrible government induced distortions permeating almost every aspect of our society.  The economy and financial system is just one symptom of these artificial manipulations.  Our society is floating on an ocean of debt, both public and private.  Voluntary relationships and transactions are so heavily regulated that in some areas,  they they don't even exist anymore.  Collectivism has muted the healthy, and natural regulation, of "cause and effect", and the free-market.  Government entitlements, rising healthcare, and education costs are other examples of these distortions at work.  





We've artificially widened the wealth gap, propped up individuals and institutions that should have failed, and thus reduced the healthy, and natural, dynamics of our system.  We've encouraged and artificially nurtured markets and transactions that would not exist if we left them to these natural market forces.  We've supported unnatural price levels in a great many areas.  We've intoxicated our society with the morphine of government interventions and unnatural complexities.  We've used the analgesics of debt to mask the true problems in our system.  People don't look at the "total cost" only the "payments", or their current ability to maintain debt service.  This phenomena permeates all levels of our society, starting with the individual.





People buy homes and major purchases based on their ability to service the debt.  Our public and private institutions use the same kind of logic undertaking all sorts of initiatives.  The problem with this should be obvious.  While the debt is real, and once incurred guaranteed to exist until paid off, the incomes and revenues we base our ability to service that debt are not.   You may have an adequate income source to service your current debt levels, but there is no guarantee that you will be able to maintain that income, or revenue in the future.  ...debt does matter, and we have too much.  





I almost feel as if they have "planned" the next Collapse already?





Yellen: Raise rates in 2015 if econ  improves


If they raise Rates what gets punished? Federal Spending.


If they don't raise rates what gets punished? Consumer Spending.


Big Government can't justify its existence if WE are no longer 'victims'.




I think they want a huge "Crash" to shock the system, in a 'controlled' manner this time, write-off debt and/or pay off debt through Inflation.


No one has anticipated a rate increase to occur until 2016, why would she all of the sudden change course?


Using their logic & previous actions, they can't stop printing; they need to in order to stay relevant.





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I almost feel as if they have "planned" the next Collapse already?

Yellen: Raise rates in 2015 if econ  improves
If they raise Rates what gets punished? Federal Spending.
If they don't raise rates what gets punished? Consumer Spending.
Big Government can't justify its existence if WE are no longer 'victims'.

I think they want a huge "Crash" to shock the system, in a 'controlled' manner this time, write-off debt and/or pay off debt through Inflation.
No one has anticipated a rate increase to occur until 2016, why would she all of the sudden change course?
Using their logic & previous actions, they can't stop printing; they need to in order to stay relevant.

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There are horrible government induced distortions permeating almost every aspect of our society.  The economy and financial system is just one symptom of these artificial manipulations.  Our society is floating on an ocean of debt, both public and private.  Voluntary relationships and transactions are so heavily regulated that in some areas,  they they don't even exist anymore.  Collectivism has muted the healthy, and natural regulation, of "cause and effect", and the free-market.  Government entitlements, rising healthcare, and education costs are other examples of these distortions at work.  

We've artificially widened the wealth gap, propped up individuals and institutions that should have failed, and thus reduced the healthy, and natural, dynamics of our system.  We've encouraged and artificially nurtured markets and transactions that would not exist if we left them to these natural market forces.  We've supported unnatural price levels in a great many areas.  We've intoxicated our society with the morphine of government interventions and unnatural complexities.  We've used the analgesics of debt to mask the true problems in our system.  People don't look at the "total cost" only the "payments", or their current ability to maintain debt service.  This phenomena permeates all levels of our society, starting with the individual.

People buy homes and major purchases based on their ability to service the debt.  Our public and private institutions use the same kind of logic undertaking all sorts of initiatives.  The problem with this should be obvious.  While the debt is real, and once incurred guaranteed to exist until paid off, the incomes and revenues we base our ability to service that debt are not.   You may have an adequate income source to service your current debt levels, but there is no guarantee that you will be able to maintain that income, or revenue in the future.  ...debt does matter, and we have too much.  

I almost feel as if they have "planned" the next Collapse already?

Yellen: Raise rates in 2015 if econ  improves
If they raise Rates what gets punished? Federal Spending.
If they don't raise rates what gets punished? Consumer Spending.
Big Government can't justify its existence if WE are no longer 'victims'.

I think they want a huge "Crash" to shock the system, in a 'controlled' manner this time, write-off debt and/or pay off debt through Inflation.
No one has anticipated a rate increase to occur until 2016, why would she all of the sudden change course?
Using their logic & previous actions, they can't stop printing; they need to in order to stay relevant.

Tinfoil off
   


It does seem that way, and in a way I suppose there's some truth to it.  While I don't believe it's "organized" I do believe we have a lot of people who depend on government's artificially created "need".

We have entire professions that must use government to "create" an artificial demand for their services.  The demand for lawyers is one of them.  But there are many others.  They benefit from complexity.  Government workers, bureaucrats, and politicians don't create value.  They'd not be able to survive if it wasn't for the violent coercion and taxation.  They have to convince the victims (taxpayers) not to struggle as they're sodomized.  

They accomplish this by making the victims feel like they "need it", and "asked for it".  Amplifying and exaggerating dangers is one of their tools, another is giving their victims the illusion of choice (voting).  I believe the free-market needs to evolve.  I have no idea what it would evolve into, but what we currently have isn't it.  



 

 



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Yellen: Raise rates in 2015 if econ  improves
If they raise Rates what gets punished? Federal Spending.
If they don't raise rates what gets punished? Consumer Spending.
Big Government can't justify its existence if WE are no longer 'victims'.

I think they want a huge "Crash" to shock the system, in a 'controlled' manner this time, write-off debt and/or pay off debt through Inflation.
No one has anticipated a rate increase to occur until 2016, why would she all of the sudden change course?
Using their logic & previous actions, they can't stop printing; they need to in order to stay relevant.

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There are horrible government induced distortions permeating almost every aspect of our society.  The economy and financial system is just one symptom of these artificial manipulations.  Our society is floating on an ocean of debt, both public and private.  Voluntary relationships and transactions are so heavily regulated that in some areas,  they they don't even exist anymore.  Collectivism has muted the healthy, and natural regulation, of "cause and effect", and the free-market.  Government entitlements, rising healthcare, and education costs are other examples of these distortions at work.  

We've artificially widened the wealth gap, propped up individuals and institutions that should have failed, and thus reduced the healthy, and natural, dynamics of our system.  We've encouraged and artificially nurtured markets and transactions that would not exist if we left them to these natural market forces.  We've supported unnatural price levels in a great many areas.  We've intoxicated our society with the morphine of government interventions and unnatural complexities.  We've used the analgesics of debt to mask the true problems in our system.  People don't look at the "total cost" only the "payments", or their current ability to maintain debt service.  This phenomena permeates all levels of our society, starting with the individual.

People buy homes and major purchases based on their ability to service the debt.  Our public and private institutions use the same kind of logic undertaking all sorts of initiatives.  The problem with this should be obvious.  While the debt is real, and once incurred guaranteed to exist until paid off, the incomes and revenues we base our ability to service that debt are not.   You may have an adequate income source to service your current debt levels, but there is no guarantee that you will be able to maintain that income, or revenue in the future.  ...debt does matter, and we have too much.  

I almost feel as if they have "planned" the next Collapse already?

Yellen: Raise rates in 2015 if econ  improves
If they raise Rates what gets punished? Federal Spending.
If they don't raise rates what gets punished? Consumer Spending.
Big Government can't justify its existence if WE are no longer 'victims'.

I think they want a huge "Crash" to shock the system, in a 'controlled' manner this time, write-off debt and/or pay off debt through Inflation.
No one has anticipated a rate increase to occur until 2016, why would she all of the sudden change course?
Using their logic & previous actions, they can't stop printing; they need to in order to stay relevant.

Tinfoil off
   



They keep talking about raises rates and stopping QE because that is what happens when the economy improves. They have been talking about raising rates for 6 years. They talk about the economy  doing well, they therefore have to talk about raising rates.

But they don't raise rates, simply because the economy is not doing well, it is not getting better, more people continue to be added to welfare and more people come out of the workforce. Innfact it is getting worse.

Talking about raising rates is all part of the illusion for people that believe what they are told, that beleive the economy is getting better. It is just part of the smoke and mirrors trying to keep things together.
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"Yellen: Raise rates in 2015 if econ improves"


I always say in response:

They can't.



They never do. It's all dis-information for the Sheeple.



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Thing is, the Fed's artificial market manipulation has enabled the Feral Government to rack up astronomical debt, because the interest on the debt is so low. If interest rates were to go to even a fraction of their historical norms, the goobermint's debt service payments would exceed total revenues. By some estimates, the breaking point is as low as 2% nominal (vs. the 5% norm or ~.25% now).

Right now, there doesn't seem to be much of a connection between interest rates and the plight of the consumer. Basically, it's because all the borrowed money is being borrowed mostly by the mega-corps and the .01%ers. Everybody else, ie actual consumers, cant get money at zero percent interest. The Fed has so horribly distorted and created such a massive amount of malinvestment due to artificially low rates and mafia-like protection of the big banks and high net worth individuals, I'm not convinced the economy CAN recover until and unless the wildly distorted, disadvantageous to consumer paradigm is completely broken. That won't end well for the big banks and well-to-do. Therefore, they will keep it going for as long as they can, even if it means lies, bribery, strong-arm tactics, whatever.

You just can't flush the amount of bad debt we have allowed to fester in the economy without some serious hurt. But, until that odious debt and the deliberate, destructive approach of the Fed is eliminated, we're going to continue to accelerate towards a complete systemic collapse. There seems to be no impetus to change course whatsoever. As long as the money printing and cheap financial crack keep coming, opportunists will continue to make profits from them. Right up until the whole train goes over the cliff.

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I have watched the seniors here in Florida who thought a million in the bank and a paid for house would see them through retirement very nicely get plastered due to low interest rates.

They either are forced to make riskier bets with their money, withdrawal more than they should and/or take part time jobs to help supplement their retirements.  Not much travel, etc. it also causes huge problems in the local economy, they don't eat out as much, they don't spend as much and it's a wonder Florida is able to still keep moving forward.  It has been 15 years since CD rates were remotely decent.
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They either are forced to make riskier bets with their money, withdrawal more than they should and/or take part time jobs to help supplement their retirements.  Not much travel, etc. it also causes huge problems in the local economy, they don't eat out as much, they don't spend as much and it's a wonder Florida is able to still keep moving forward.  It has been 15 years since CD rates were remotely decent.
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Gonna be a lot of dishappointed folks...

Not to mention if their nest egg is stolen  ---that's what scares me...


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SENATE REPUBLICANS GIVE OBAMA NEW POWERS

DETAILS REMAIN 'CLASSIFIED'

Drudge linking to a news article this AM.


 
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All congress needs now is secret voting to earn official Banana Republic status.
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Gonna be a lot of dishappointed folks...

Not to mention if their nest egg is stolen  ---that's what scares me...


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I have watched the seniors here in Florida who thought a million in the bank and a paid for house would see them through retirement very nicely get plastered due to low interest rates.

They either are forced to make riskier bets with their money, withdrawal more than they should and/or take part time jobs to help supplement their retirements.  Not much travel, etc. it also causes huge problems in the local economy, they don't eat out as much, they don't spend as much and it's a wonder Florida is able to still keep moving forward.  It has been 15 years since CD rates were remotely decent.




Gonna be a lot of dishappointed folks...

Not to mention if their nest egg is stolen  ---that's what scares me...



Nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothing to lose.
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Yes, it's a dangerous direction we're headed.  

Wars, revolutions, radicals, or tyranny...none of which is good.  

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They can't without serous repercussions.  I think they will and this will cause everything to tumble. When that happens, the biggest wealth transfer will take place with the middle class being wiped out.  It happened elsewhere.
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They never do. It's all dis-information for the Sheeple.





They can't without serous repercussions.  I think they will and this will cause everything to tumble. When that happens, the biggest wealth transfer will take place with the middle class being wiped out.  It happened elsewhere.


Yes, but every place where something similar has happened the middle class were defenseless, America's middle class  is very very well armed, all you need is a bunch of well armed people with nothing to lose to really shake things up; but maybe this is what the commie bastards want !
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Yes, but every place where something similar has happened the middle class were defenseless, America's middle class  is very very well armed, all you need is a bunch of well armed people with nothing to lose to really shake things up; but maybe this is what the commie bastards want !
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They can't.



They never do. It's all dis-information for the Sheeple.





They can't without serous repercussions.  I think they will and this will cause everything to tumble. When that happens, the biggest wealth transfer will take place with the middle class being wiped out.  It happened elsewhere.


Yes, but every place where something similar has happened the middle class were defenseless, America's middle class  is very very well armed, all you need is a bunch of well armed people with nothing to lose to really shake things up; but maybe this is what the commie bastards want !

Bottom up
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Coup?
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Backstopping, "too big to fail", coupled with cheap credit and big government regulations has created some problems?

no shit

Is it any wonder the wealth gap has widened?  By "saving" firms that would have failed, you've frozen out small firms that might have replaced the dinosaurs, and reduced a dynamic which might have increased monetary velocity.  Big government regulations and enforcement hasn't helped, further depressing small business growth and employment.  Then as if that's not enough, we pour free money in the coffers of the wealthy.

Meanwhile household incomes and workforce participation are stagnant.  

Oh, and here's another reasons...


McDonalds response to $15 minimum wage...



Automation and technology are rendering a lot of people obsolete.
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They either are forced to make riskier bets with their money, withdrawal more than they should and/or take part time jobs to help supplement their retirements.  Not much travel, etc. it also causes huge problems in the local economy, they don't eat out as much, they don't spend as much and it's a wonder Florida is able to still keep moving forward.  It has been 15 years since CD rates were remotely decent.
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At least they have Social Security...for now.  That's a program that will be long gone or means tested when I retire.  It's just another tax for me.
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I have watched the seniors here in Florida who thought a million in the bank and a paid for house would see them through retirement very nicely get plastered due to low interest rates.

They either are forced to make riskier bets with their money, withdrawal more than they should and/or take part time jobs to help supplement their retirements.  Not much travel, etc. it also causes huge problems in the local economy, they don't eat out as much, they don't spend as much and it's a wonder Florida is able to still keep moving forward.  It has been 15 years s CD rates were remotely decent.


At least they have Social Security...for now.  That's a program that will be long gone or means tested when I retire.  It's just another tax for me.


Yeap

It paid out well for the Greatest generation, Silent generation, and will probably finish with the Boomers in it's current form.

I've always said it will be Generation X which is the group that will be screwed. One of the other names Gen X goes by are the "baby busters", because they represent a decline in the birthrate.  They happen to be sandwiched between two large generations.  The Boomers,and the Echo-Boomers, that go by their more popular name....the Millennials.  So politically it just makes sense to screw Gen X.  

The Boomers will drain the last drop from the program, and as their political influence wains there will be a lot more political motivation to "reform" social security.  Gen X will be the easiest to throw under the bus.  They'll means test the program, raise benefit ages, or both.  To sell the "reform" they'll probably cut payroll taxes as just as Gen X is retiring.  So the Millennials will probably get a little payroll tax break, the Boomers will get the last of social security in its current form, and will probably drain the old government defined benefit pension systems as well.

IF (big IF) social security and public sector pension system don't completely fail, sometime over the next couple of decades public sector employees will see their fat pension benefits fade away.  We'll have to change them into defined contribution style plans, something like 401k's or Thrift savings plans.  

The military is already looking at this conversion.  32 states are currently struggling with their state budgets, primarily due to their pension plans, and most state and municipal pensions are using "funny accounting" to pretend that they're viable.  There is a reason the private sector started phasing them out in the 70's.  They don't work.  

There will be some sort of "bailout" deal struck when the state and municipal plans go into crisis mode.  One that allows the current "retired" voters to keep their benefits, but screws those not yet getting them yet.


Neither "private" or "public" collectivism works.  It just doesn't.  

Pensions, lifetime incomes, third party payer health insurance (public and private)...just don't work.  

Big Government doesn't work
Safety-nets don't work.
Bailouts don't work.
Central planning doesn't work.
Socialism doesn't work.  

The only thing that works is individual freedom.










Link Posted: 5/25/2015 10:08:07 PM EDT
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HSBC fears world recession with no lifeboats left...





Common Theme developing from the main stream...Telling the Truth



 
Link Posted: 5/26/2015 4:20:55 AM EDT
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Adios, America Hardcover  – June 1, 2015

by Ann Coulter (Author)


In Adios, America she touches the third rail in American politics, attacking the immigration issue head-on and flying in the face of La Raza, the Democrats, a media determined to cover up immigrants' crimes, churches that get paid by the government for their "charity," and greedy Republican businessmen and campaign consultants—all of whom are profiting handsomely from mass immigration that's tearing the country apart. Applying her trademark biting humor to the disaster that is U.S. immigration policy, Coulter proves that immigration is the most important issue facing America today.


She must have been reading my posts the past 4 years.





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Yeap

It paid out well for the Greatest generation, Silent generation, and will probably finish with the Boomers in it's current form.

I've always said it will be Generation X which is the group that will be screwed. One of the other names Gen X goes by are the "baby busters", because they represent a decline in the birthrate.  They happen to be sandwiched between two large generations.  The Boomers,and the Echo-Boomers, that go by their more popular name....the Millennials.  So politically it just makes sense to screw Gen X.  

The Boomers will drain the last drop from the program, and as their political influence wains there will be a lot more political motivation to "reform" social security.  Gen X will be the easiest to throw under the bus.  They'll means test the program, raise benefit ages, or both.  To sell the "reform" they'll probably cut payroll taxes as just as Gen X is retiring.  So the Millennials will probably get a little payroll tax break, the Boomers will get the last of social security in its current form, and will probably drain the old government defined benefit pension systems as well.

IF (big IF) social security and public sector pension system don't completely fail, sometime over the next couple of decades public sector employees will see their fat pension benefits fade away.  We'll have to change them into defined contribution style plans, something like 401k's or Thrift savings plans.  

The military is already looking at this conversion.  32 states are currently struggling with their state budgets, primarily due to their pension plans, and most state and municipal pensions are using "funny accounting" to pretend that they're viable.  There is a reason the private sector started phasing them out in the 70's.  They don't work.  

There will be some sort of "bailout" deal struck when the state and municipal plans go into crisis mode.  One that allows the current "retired" voters to keep their benefits, but screws those not yet getting them yet.


Neither "private" or "public" collectivism works.  It just doesn't.  

Pensions, lifetime incomes, third party payer health insurance (public and private)...just don't work.  

Big Government doesn't work
Safety-nets don't work.
Bailouts don't work.
Central planning doesn't work.
Socialism doesn't work.  

The only thing that works is individual freedom.


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I have watched the seniors here in Florida who thought a million in the bank and a paid for house would see them through retirement very nicely get plastered due to low interest rates.

They either are forced to make riskier bets with their money, withdrawal more than they should and/or take part time jobs to help supplement their retirements.  Not much travel, etc. it also causes huge problems in the local economy, they don't eat out as much, they don't spend as much and it's a wonder Florida is able to still keep moving forward.  It has been 15 years s CD rates were remotely decent.


At least they have Social Security...for now.  That's a program that will be long gone or means tested when I retire.  It's just another tax for me.


Yeap

It paid out well for the Greatest generation, Silent generation, and will probably finish with the Boomers in it's current form.

I've always said it will be Generation X which is the group that will be screwed. One of the other names Gen X goes by are the "baby busters", because they represent a decline in the birthrate.  They happen to be sandwiched between two large generations.  The Boomers,and the Echo-Boomers, that go by their more popular name....the Millennials.  So politically it just makes sense to screw Gen X.  

The Boomers will drain the last drop from the program, and as their political influence wains there will be a lot more political motivation to "reform" social security.  Gen X will be the easiest to throw under the bus.  They'll means test the program, raise benefit ages, or both.  To sell the "reform" they'll probably cut payroll taxes as just as Gen X is retiring.  So the Millennials will probably get a little payroll tax break, the Boomers will get the last of social security in its current form, and will probably drain the old government defined benefit pension systems as well.

IF (big IF) social security and public sector pension system don't completely fail, sometime over the next couple of decades public sector employees will see their fat pension benefits fade away.  We'll have to change them into defined contribution style plans, something like 401k's or Thrift savings plans.  

The military is already looking at this conversion.  32 states are currently struggling with their state budgets, primarily due to their pension plans, and most state and municipal pensions are using "funny accounting" to pretend that they're viable.  There is a reason the private sector started phasing them out in the 70's.  They don't work.  

There will be some sort of "bailout" deal struck when the state and municipal plans go into crisis mode.  One that allows the current "retired" voters to keep their benefits, but screws those not yet getting them yet.


Neither "private" or "public" collectivism works.  It just doesn't.  

Pensions, lifetime incomes, third party payer health insurance (public and private)...just don't work.  

Big Government doesn't work
Safety-nets don't work.
Bailouts don't work.
Central planning doesn't work.
Socialism doesn't work.  

The only thing that works is individual freedom.




Social Security is the least of our problems, it is medicaid and medicare that are the giant elephant in the room.

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They are still sugar coating it.
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Yes, but every place where something similar has happened the middle class were defenseless, America's middle class  is very very well armed, all you need is a bunch of well armed people with nothing to lose to really shake things up; but maybe this is what the commie bastards want !
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They never do. It's all dis-information for the Sheeple.





They can't without serous repercussions.  I think they will and this will cause everything to tumble. When that happens, the biggest wealth transfer will take place with the middle class being wiped out.  It happened elsewhere.


Yes, but every place where something similar has happened the middle class were defenseless, America's middle class  is very very well armed, all you need is a bunch of well armed people with nothing to lose to really shake things up; but maybe this is what the commie bastards want !

Well, those who fall from the middle class will do what?  Do they know who served them the short end of the stick or are the going to loot the local grocery store ala Watts/King Riots/Ferguson/Baltimore?  I'd say almost all of those who go down the toilet won't even realize who engineered this mess.  At the most, they'll go after the elected officials but that's only going after the pawns.
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Well, those who fall from the middle class will do what?  Do they know who served them the short end of the stick or are the going to loot the local grocery store ala Watts/King Riots/Ferguson/Baltimore?  I'd say almost all of those who go down the toilet won't even realize who engineered this mess.  At the most, they'll go after the elected officials but that's only going after the pawns.
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They can't.



They never do. It's all dis-information for the Sheeple.





They can't without serous repercussions.  I think they will and this will cause everything to tumble. When that happens, the biggest wealth transfer will take place with the middle class being wiped out.  It happened elsewhere.


Yes, but every place where something similar has happened the middle class were defenseless, America's middle class  is very very well armed, all you need is a bunch of well armed people with nothing to lose to really shake things up; but maybe this is what the commie bastards want !

Well, those who fall from the middle class will do what?  Do they know who served them the short end of the stick or are the going to loot the local grocery store ala Watts/King Riots/Ferguson/Baltimore?  I'd say almost all of those who go down the toilet won't even realize who engineered this mess.  At the most, they'll go after the elected officials but that's only going after the pawns.

So who engineered this mess?

And what do you tinfoilers think about the dozen or so banksters that died within the last year of unnatural causes?
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Announced today.

First qtr GDP
revised from. +0.2 % to -0.7%

Weird how we never get 2 declining qtrs in a row.
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Link Posted: 5/29/2015 3:39:36 PM EDT
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I think that last line is extremely ignorant and that it will actually encourage a "black economy." Why do you think they want to kill Bit Coin so bad? Imagine a currency controlled by the end user and not the Banksters. And as far as it being hard to rob people, yes maybe on a small scale. But when you rob people in the electronic economy, you can rob hundreds or millions at a time. The big guys are painting themselves into a corner. They need to raise the rates to bring sense to a market that can likely crash it when they do. I keep thinking rates need to go up. But they have more savings to steal first I guess. The question is still the same "not if, but when?" Then it will be, "how bad and how long?" All I know is I should be doing things different than I'm doing now. Normalcy bias I think.
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Quoted:Read past the picture, he really had nothing to do with this article.

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"Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies.  Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy.


Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible."


 

I think that last line is extremely ignorant and that it will actually encourage a "black economy." Why do you think they want to kill Bit Coin so bad? Imagine a currency controlled by the end user and not the Banksters. And as far as it being hard to rob people, yes maybe on a small scale. But when you rob people in the electronic economy, you can rob hundreds or millions at a time. The big guys are painting themselves into a corner. They need to raise the rates to bring sense to a market that can likely crash it when they do. I keep thinking rates need to go up. But they have more savings to steal first I guess. The question is still the same "not if, but when?" Then it will be, "how bad and how long?" All I know is I should be doing things different than I'm doing now. Normalcy bias I think.


And you would be correct. The black market would be a'booming.
Link Posted: 5/29/2015 5:47:20 PM EDT
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And you would be correct. The black market would be a'booming.
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"Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies.  Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy.


Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible."


 

I think that last line is extremely ignorant and that it will actually encourage a "black economy." Why do you think they want to kill Bit Coin so bad? Imagine a currency controlled by the end user and not the Banksters. And as far as it being hard to rob people, yes maybe on a small scale. But when you rob people in the electronic economy, you can rob hundreds or millions at a time. The big guys are painting themselves into a corner. They need to raise the rates to bring sense to a market that can likely crash it when they do. I keep thinking rates need to go up. But they have more savings to steal first I guess. The question is still the same "not if, but when?" Then it will be, "how bad and how long?" All I know is I should be doing things different than I'm doing now. Normalcy bias I think.


And you would be correct. The black market would be a'booming.


exactly. even if all the cash was confiscated, people will find something else to use.
Link Posted: 5/29/2015 5:55:13 PM EDT
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So who engineered this mess?

And what do you tinfoilers think about the dozen or so banksters that died within the last year of unnatural causes?
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Did you have a hand in creating QE both here and abroad?  I don't think so as all of us are small fish.

Those bankers who died aren't the big fish either. Their deaths covers the trail of the bigger fish.  Bubba did the same thing.  There's talk that Dear Leader did with his homosexual lovers too.

As for tinfoil, suggest you read Dr. Paul Craig Roberts' and David Stockman's columns/websites. Both were Reaganites with the former being Asst. Sect. of Treasury and the latter OMB.
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