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Posted: 5/2/2015 10:21:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very foreboding.  Quote HistoryCash makes the holder King, allowed to do whatever they want, whenever they want & untraceable, for the most part; No rules, no controls, no fees. WE have given up OUR Liberties at every level & this change has really taken off over the past 20-25 years. As Central planners base policies on corruption & favors, WE will be left begging for someone, anyone, to load OUR 'Cards'  Robots predicted to take 30% of jobs within decade..., with Jobs disappearing, so will the cash 'WE' have been too busy spending our 'miles' to show up and FIRE these pimps, come election day. By OUR inaction, WE have shown a preference for 'Stuff', over Freedom.  |
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Posted: 5/2/2015 11:08:03 AM EDT
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WE have cards for everything, i.e. welfare, debit, credit, controlled & tracked by a 'middle man' with rules/controls/fees. Cash makes the holder King, allowed to do whatever they want, whenever they want & untraceable, for the most part; No rules, no controls, no fees. WE have given up OUR Liberties at every level & this change has really taken off over the past 20-25 years. As Central planners base policies on corruption & favors, WE will be left begging for someone, anyone, to load OUR 'Cards'
Robots predicted to take 30% of jobs within decade..., with Jobs disappearing, so will the cash
'WE' have been too busy spending our 'miles' to show up and FIRE these pimps, come election day. By OUR inaction, WE have shown a preference for 'Stuff', over Freedom.
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WE have cards for everything, i.e. welfare, debit, credit, controlled & tracked by a 'middle man' with rules/controls/fees.
Cash makes the holder King, allowed to do whatever they want, whenever they want & untraceable, for the most part; No rules, no controls, no fees. WE have given up OUR Liberties at every level & this change has really taken off over the past 20-25 years. As Central planners base policies on corruption & favors, WE will be left begging for someone, anyone, to load OUR 'Cards'
Robots predicted to take 30% of jobs within decade..., with Jobs disappearing, so will the cash
'WE' have been too busy spending our 'miles' to show up and FIRE these pimps, come election day. By OUR inaction, WE have shown a preference for 'Stuff', over Freedom.
I wonder how long it will take? I don't believe anyone will stop it. It's inevitable. The slow steady pace of destruction of individual freedom. Authoritarianism loves collectivism. Individualism doesn't fit. War on Drugs War on Poverty War on Terror Just other names for the real "War" on individual freedom. I wish people would wake-up and stop being afraid. It's so incredibly stupid. You're more likely to be killed "lawfully" by a law enforcement officer then to be killed by a terrorist. You WILL have your private property stolen by government, a little all the time. You may never suffer a loss, or have your property stolen by another individual. And if by chance you do, your loss will be so much less than what your government takes from you each and every year. People are so turned around in their perception of where the danger is really coming from. Government is just an imaginary construct, used by other people, to steal your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. wake-up |
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Posted: 5/3/2015 11:30:23 AM EDT
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Maybe the "War on Citizens" or the 'War on the Productive" will be next? |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 9:16:30 PM EDT
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Numbers number numbers
http://demonocracy.info/ Why does the linking program not work half the time here? http://demonocracy.info/ |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:05:22 PM EDT
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Numbers number numbers http://demonocracy.info/ Why does the linking program not work half the time here? http://demonocracy.info/ iPads pre-position an extra http in ? |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 11:34:16 AM EDT
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America’s Politicized Tax Enforcement Is a Harbinger of Decline
By Victor Davis Hanson — May 7, 2015 Why did Rome and Byzantium fall apart after centuries of success? What causes civilizations to collapse, from a dysfunctional fourth-century-B.C. Athens to contemporary bankrupt Greece? The answer is usually not enemies at the gates, but the pathologies inside them. What ruins societies is well known: too much consumption and not enough production, a debased currency, and endemic corruption. Americans currently deal with all those symptoms. But two more fundamental causes for decline are even more frightening: an unwillingness to pay taxes and the end of the rule of law. Al Sharpton is again prominently in the news, blaming various groups for the Baltimore unrest. But Sharpton currently owes the U.S. government more than $3 million in back taxes, according to reports. His excuses have ranged from insufficient funds to pay them to sloppy record-keeping and mysterious fires. Sharpton, a frequent White House guest, apparently assumes that his community-organizing provides him political exemption from federal tax law. He seems to be right, at least as long as the current administration is in power. The Clinton Foundation is expected to refile its tax returns for 2010, 2011, and 2012 after failing to separate government grants from donations. If an average citizen tried to amend his taxes for such huge sums and from that long ago, he would probably be under indictment. News reports of undocumented donations from foreign governments caught the foundation underreporting its income. The well-connected Clinton clan apparently had assumed that their political status ensured them immunity. In the current political landscape, ideology also offers cover for tax noncompliance. Two of the most liberal talking heads at the MSNBC cable news network, Touré Neblett and Melissa Harris-Perry, known for their advocacy of higher tax rates on the affluent, turn out to be both quite well off and quite unwilling to pay their fair share of taxes. Reports indicate that Neblett and Harris-Perry both owe more than $50,000 in delinquent taxes. Nonparticipation in the tax system and noncompliance are recipes for social and cultural disaster. Who will police the tax police? More at the link |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 2:27:21 PM EDT
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America’s Politicized Tax Enforcement Is a Harbinger of Decline By Victor Davis Hanson — May 7, 2015 More at the link Quote HistoryQuoted:
America’s Politicized Tax Enforcement Is a Harbinger of Decline By Victor Davis Hanson — May 7, 2015 Why did Rome and Byzantium fall apart after centuries of success? What causes civilizations to collapse, from a dysfunctional fourth-century-B.C. Athens to contemporary bankrupt Greece? The answer is usually not enemies at the gates, but the pathologies inside them. What ruins societies is well known: too much consumption and not enough production, a debased currency, and endemic corruption. Americans currently deal with all those symptoms. But two more fundamental causes for decline are even more frightening: an unwillingness to pay taxes and the end of the rule of law. Al Sharpton is again prominently in the news, blaming various groups for the Baltimore unrest. But Sharpton currently owes the U.S. government more than $3 million in back taxes, according to reports. His excuses have ranged from insufficient funds to pay them to sloppy record-keeping and mysterious fires. Sharpton, a frequent White House guest, apparently assumes that his community-organizing provides him political exemption from federal tax law. He seems to be right, at least as long as the current administration is in power. The Clinton Foundation is expected to refile its tax returns for 2010, 2011, and 2012 after failing to separate government grants from donations. If an average citizen tried to amend his taxes for such huge sums and from that long ago, he would probably be under indictment. News reports of undocumented donations from foreign governments caught the foundation underreporting its income. The well-connected Clinton clan apparently had assumed that their political status ensured them immunity. In the current political landscape, ideology also offers cover for tax noncompliance. Two of the most liberal talking heads at the MSNBC cable news network, Touré Neblett and Melissa Harris-Perry, known for their advocacy of higher tax rates on the affluent, turn out to be both quite well off and quite unwilling to pay their fair share of taxes. Reports indicate that Neblett and Harris-Perry both owe more than $50,000 in delinquent taxes. Nonparticipation in the tax system and noncompliance are recipes for social and cultural disaster. Who will police the tax police? More at the link Complexity collapse. Government always has tended to become more and more complex, until the society experiences complexity collapse. Why? Simple really. We have whole swaths of the population that actually make a very nice living from "complexity". These "professions" exist in and around government. Without insane complexity they would not be as lucrative, hell they might not exist at all. Do lawyers really want the law to be less archaic and esoteric? Do the courts, and their employees? Do accountants? Do politicians and government employees? Or, regulators, inspectors, administrators, and law enforcement agencies and officers? Does the education and credentialing and certification industry? Does BIG BUSINESS want less regulatory complexity? No. They all benefit from it in different ways. They like it, and need "complexity". Which is why America is headed in one direction, and has been for a very long time. There is absolutely no doubt that it, and along with it western civilization will collapse. But these collapses are incredibly slow. So slow that no one "objects" to the small incremental changes made. We're all frogs in the pot, the water is getting warmer and warmer. At first we're comfortable with it, it "feels" good. As the temperature slowly rises we relax, until we boil. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 3:16:33 PM EDT
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Complexity collapse. Government always has tended to become more and more complex, until the society experiences complexity collapse. re comfortable with it, it "feels" good. As the temperature slowly rises we relax, until we boil. Yes complexity via government action is part of it but in this case Hanson was referring to the new lawlessness openly displayed in our society. This is not new, people in high places have considered themselves above the law for ages. What is new for the US is it being so out in the open with little or no apparent consequences. A former governor can loose >$1 billion from secured accounts when he was the CEO of the company and not even be charged with a crime. A US Secretary of the Treasury can just shrug off not paying $35,000 in social security and medicare payroll taxes over several years blaming it on "turbo tax" and be confirmed for office. Then the fast & furious gun 'deal', the IRS political scandal, Benghazi, ignoring established law by presidential fiat and on and on it goes with no repercussions, no MSM investigations hell almost no MSM discussion forget about investigational journalism on what are clearly criminal acts. Hanson is correct, we are done. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 8:47:14 PM EDT
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Complexity collapse. Government always has tended to become more and more complex, until the society experiences complexity collapse. Why? Simple really. We have whole swaths of the population that actually make a very nice living from "complexity". These "professions" exist in and around government. Without insane complexity they would not be as lucrative, hell they might not exist at all. Do lawyers really want the law to be less archaic and esoteric? Do the courts, and their employees? Do accountants? Do politicians and government employees? Or, regulators, inspectors, administrators, and law enforcement agencies and officers? Does the education and credentialing and certification industry? Does BIG BUSINESS want less regulatory complexity? No. They all benefit from it in different ways. They like it, and need "complexity". Which is why America is headed in one direction, and has been for a very long time. There is absolutely no doubt that it, and along with it western civilization will collapse. But these collapses are incredibly slow. So slow that no one "objects" to the small incremental changes made. We're all frogs in the pot, the water is getting warmer and warmer. At first we're comfortable with it, it "feels" good. As the temperature slowly rises we relax, until we boil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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America’s Politicized Tax Enforcement Is a Harbinger of Decline By Victor Davis Hanson — May 7, 2015 Why did Rome and Byzantium fall apart after centuries of success? What causes civilizations to collapse, from a dysfunctional fourth-century-B.C. Athens to contemporary bankrupt Greece? The answer is usually not enemies at the gates, but the pathologies inside them. What ruins societies is well known: too much consumption and not enough production, a debased currency, and endemic corruption. Americans currently deal with all those symptoms. But two more fundamental causes for decline are even more frightening: an unwillingness to pay taxes and the end of the rule of law. Al Sharpton is again prominently in the news, blaming various groups for the Baltimore unrest. But Sharpton currently owes the U.S. government more than $3 million in back taxes, according to reports. His excuses have ranged from insufficient funds to pay them to sloppy record-keeping and mysterious fires. Sharpton, a frequent White House guest, apparently assumes that his community-organizing provides him political exemption from federal tax law. He seems to be right, at least as long as the current administration is in power. The Clinton Foundation is expected to refile its tax returns for 2010, 2011, and 2012 after failing to separate government grants from donations. If an average citizen tried to amend his taxes for such huge sums and from that long ago, he would probably be under indictment. News reports of undocumented donations from foreign governments caught the foundation underreporting its income. The well-connected Clinton clan apparently had assumed that their political status ensured them immunity. In the current political landscape, ideology also offers cover for tax noncompliance. Two of the most liberal talking heads at the MSNBC cable news network, Touré Neblett and Melissa Harris-Perry, known for their advocacy of higher tax rates on the affluent, turn out to be both quite well off and quite unwilling to pay their fair share of taxes. Reports indicate that Neblett and Harris-Perry both owe more than $50,000 in delinquent taxes. Nonparticipation in the tax system and noncompliance are recipes for social and cultural disaster. Who will police the tax police? More at the link Complexity collapse. Government always has tended to become more and more complex, until the society experiences complexity collapse. Why? Simple really. We have whole swaths of the population that actually make a very nice living from "complexity". These "professions" exist in and around government. Without insane complexity they would not be as lucrative, hell they might not exist at all. Do lawyers really want the law to be less archaic and esoteric? Do the courts, and their employees? Do accountants? Do politicians and government employees? Or, regulators, inspectors, administrators, and law enforcement agencies and officers? Does the education and credentialing and certification industry? Does BIG BUSINESS want less regulatory complexity? No. They all benefit from it in different ways. They like it, and need "complexity". Which is why America is headed in one direction, and has been for a very long time. There is absolutely no doubt that it, and along with it western civilization will collapse. But these collapses are incredibly slow. So slow that no one "objects" to the small incremental changes made. We're all frogs in the pot, the water is getting warmer and warmer. At first we're comfortable with it, it "feels" good. As the temperature slowly rises we relax, until we boil. Very true. So true, I posted this on a statist loving website. Sorry, I could not give you attribution. I don't want all those idiots coming over here. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 10:26:28 PM EDT
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Yes complexity via government action is part of it but in this case Hanson was referring to the new lawlessness openly displayed in our society. This is not new, people in high places have considered themselves above the law for ages. What is new for the US is it being so out in the open with little or no apparent consequences. A former governor can loose >$1 billion from secured accounts when he was the CEO of the company and not even be charged with a crime. A US Secretary of the Treasury can just shrug off not paying $35,000 in social security and medicare payroll taxes over several years blaming it on "turbo tax" and be confirmed for office. Then the fast & furious gun 'deal', the IRS political scandal, Benghazi, ignoring established law by presidential fiat and on and on it goes with no repercussions, no MSM investigations hell almost no MSM discussion forget about investigational journalism on what are clearly criminal acts. Hanson is correct, we are done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Complexity collapse. Government always has tended to become more and more complex, until the society experiences complexity collapse. re comfortable with it, it "feels" good. As the temperature slowly rises we relax, until we boil. Yes complexity via government action is part of it but in this case Hanson was referring to the new lawlessness openly displayed in our society. This is not new, people in high places have considered themselves above the law for ages. What is new for the US is it being so out in the open with little or no apparent consequences. A former governor can loose >$1 billion from secured accounts when he was the CEO of the company and not even be charged with a crime. A US Secretary of the Treasury can just shrug off not paying $35,000 in social security and medicare payroll taxes over several years blaming it on "turbo tax" and be confirmed for office. Then the fast & furious gun 'deal', the IRS political scandal, Benghazi, ignoring established law by presidential fiat and on and on it goes with no repercussions, no MSM investigations hell almost no MSM discussion forget about investigational journalism on what are clearly criminal acts. Hanson is correct, we are done. Bet it takes a forklift to lift 1 million thousand dollar bills. |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 11:40:52 AM EDT
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Financial health overstated since 2000...
"After 2000, forecast errors became increasingly biased, and in the same direction. Trustees Reports after 2000 all overestimated the assets in the program and overestimated solvency of the Trust Funds," "We have a situation that is like Enron accounting," Kotlikoff said. "And the public doesn't want to hear about it." What will WE do?  |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 12:45:45 PM EDT
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I've been saying ^^^ for many years.
So much so that I've come up with a new saying... "Americans' favorite Pastime... "Is Fooling Themselfs" Even here.... |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 5:41:27 PM EDT
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Then there's this
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Posted: 5/8/2015 5:50:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey do it for tax reasons. B. Holter left for Costa Rica and stayed there for many years. Unlike the ex-pats, he never renounced his citizenship and returned to Estados Unidos. Why? As his command of Spanish improved, he learned out the locals resented the gringos and when the balloon went up, the gringos would be the first to go. |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 5:56:28 PM EDT
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They do it for tax reasons. B. Holter left for Costa Rica and stayed there for many years. Unlike the ex-pats, he never renounced his citizenship and returned to Estados Unidos. Why? As his command of Spanish improved, he learned out the locals resented the gringos and when the balloon went up, the gringos would be the first to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
They do it for tax reasons. B. Holter left for Costa Rica and stayed there for many years. Unlike the ex-pats, he never renounced his citizenship and returned to Estados Unidos. Why? As his command of Spanish improved, he learned out the locals resented the gringos and when the balloon went up, the gringos would be the first to go. Yikes. |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 5:59:37 PM EDT
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I said this all through Ferguson, and I will say it again here for baltimore and the "Black Spring" the media is talking about for the summer...
The tenets of the Cloward-Piven strategy calls for the victimized underclasses to rise up, to create an atmosphere of violence that will precipitate "change" in the political order. The current capitalist system will be burdened with impossible responsibilities, precipitating a collapse, and an underclass (dependent on those responsibilities) who rise up to demand complete redistribution. We are witnessing Cloward-Piven in action, the death throes of our current civilization, and from those ashes the rising of a new socialist civilization. That is, unless there are those, who are shaken from their apathy to do anything about it. Tyranny is always better organized than Liberty. |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 6:12:14 PM EDT
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Balance exists fundamentally in nature and it cannot be any other way.
Unfortunately for us, this "balance" will be our undoing. It is the natural way, and there is nothing that can be done about it. Think of the changes in this world as water that seeks its own balance, constantly being tested by us mere human animals. Yeah, good luck with that. Mother nature is fixing all of the worlds problems her way, slowly, as she sees fit. It will be our end one day. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 7:35:34 PM EDT
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They do it for tax reasons. B. Holter left for Costa Rica and stayed there for many years. Unlike the ex-pats, he never renounced his citizenship and returned to Estados Unidos. Why? As his command of Spanish improved, he learned out the locals resented the gringos and when the balloon went up, the gringos would be the first to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
They do it for tax reasons. B. Holter left for Costa Rica and stayed there for many years. Unlike the ex-pats, he never renounced his citizenship and returned to Estados Unidos. Why? As his command of Spanish improved, he learned out the locals resented the gringos and when the balloon went up, the gringos would be the first to go. Well, of course, amazing he couldn't figger this out in the first place. |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 7:36:56 PM EDT
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I said this all through Ferguson, and I will say it again here for baltimore and the "Black Spring" the media is talking about for the summer... The tenets of the Cloward-Piven strategy calls for the victimized underclasses to rise up, to create an atmosphere of violence that will precipitate "change" in the political order. The current capitalist system will be burdened with impossible responsibilities, precipitating a collapse, and an underclass (dependent on those responsibilities) who rise up to demand complete redistribution. We are witnessing Cloward-Piven in action, the death throes of our current civilization, and from those ashes the rising of a new socialist civilization. That is, unless there are those, who are shaken from their apathy to do anything about it. Tyranny is always better organized than Liberty. I've posted many times here re the Cloward-Piven strategy. It's quite important folks have an understanding of this. LINK>>>> Decent enuf ezplanation, tho the consequences are far wider and more devastating than one would imagine
We're running head-long into their Theory. Most are oblivious, incl here 
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Posted: 5/8/2015 7:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Balance exists fundamentally in nature and it cannot be any other way. Unfortunately for us, this "balance" will be our undoing. It is the natural way, and there is nothing that can be done about it. Think of the changes in this world as water that seeks its own balance, constantly being tested by us mere human animals. Yeah, good luck with that. Mother nature is fixing all of the worlds problems her way, slowly, as she sees fit. It will be our end one day. A.W.D. Yes She will... And She doesn't mind inflicting Extreme Pain on folks who are incapable of using Common Sense... As well as those who do -to maybe a lesser degree, in the 'collective'. 
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Posted: 5/8/2015 7:48:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I said this all through Ferguson, and I will say it again here for baltimore and the "Black Spring" the media is talking about for the summer... The tenets of the Cloward-Piven strategy calls for the victimized underclasses to rise up, to create an atmosphere of violence that will precipitate "change" in the political order. The current capitalist system will be burdened with impossible responsibilities, precipitating a collapse, and an underclass (dependent on those responsibilities) who rise up to demand complete redistribution. We are witnessing Cloward-Piven in action, the death throes of our current civilization, and from those ashes the rising of a new socialist civilization. That is, unless there are those, who are shaken from their apathy to do anything about it. Tyranny is always better organized than Liberty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I said this all through Ferguson, and I will say it again here for baltimore and the "Black Spring" the media is talking about for the summer... The tenets of the Cloward-Piven strategy calls for the victimized underclasses to rise up, to create an atmosphere of violence that will precipitate "change" in the political order. The current capitalist system will be burdened with impossible responsibilities, precipitating a collapse, and an underclass (dependent on those responsibilities) who rise up to demand complete redistribution. We are witnessing Cloward-Piven in action, the death throes of our current civilization, and from those ashes the rising of a new socialist civilization. That is, unless there are those, who are shaken from their apathy to do anything about it. Tyranny is always better organized than Liberty. If you don't mind something from Arfcom's own time-traveler. It is italicized and in red: Quoted:
Quoted: In other news I see masses of a certain demographic rioting and protesting. What they don't understand is they are being played for fools by the elite that are pulling the strings. These protests around America will become worse and more violent then there is gonna be an event take place that causes an all out battle. In the end these thug protestors are gonna be on the losing side of things.
I have long suspected that. They're whipped into a frenzy, causing the public to demand law and order, even if it's martial law. They'll get it and the thugs will be put down. But martial law will remain. **The head of the nail has been hit. 
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Posted: 5/8/2015 9:15:00 PM EDT
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Financial health overstated since 2000... "After 2000, forecast errors became increasingly biased, and in the same direction. Trustees Reports after 2000 all overestimated the assets in the program and overestimated solvency of the Trust Funds," "We have a situation that is like Enron accounting," Kotlikoff said. "And the public doesn't want to hear about it." What will WE do?
The problem with this "analysis" is that it is bogus. THERE ISN'T ANY TRUST FUND AND NEVER WAS!! The so-called "trust fund" is a mirage that is perpetrated by the socialists who conceived of the Robin-Hood Ponzi scheme. By claiming there is a "Social Security Trust Fund", they can pretend it isn't strictly a tax-some-to-give-to-others program, which it is. There has never been a "I pay in for X years, then I get my money back". It has never, and will never, work that way. Current distributions are paid by the Treasury. Current SS taxes are collected by the Treasury. That's it. If more people start taking money, either SS taxes must go up, or the .gov has to make up the shortfall by using revenues from other sources. Similarly, if the SS taxes being collected exceed distributions, then the money is swallowed up elsewhere in Federal morass. There is no SS Trust Fund. There never was a Trust Fund. It's a convenient fiction to try to fool people into believing that SS is something that it is not. Bottom line is their "analysis" is fatally flawed because the premise upon which they base their calculations is fundamentally wrong. |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 10:41:06 PM EDT
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If you don't mind something from Arfcom's own time-traveler. It is italicized and in red: Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I said this all through Ferguson, and I will say it again here for baltimore and the "Black Spring" the media is talking about for the summer... The tenets of the Cloward-Piven strategy calls for the victimized underclasses to rise up, to create an atmosphere of violence that will precipitate "change" in the political order. The current capitalist system will be burdened with impossible responsibilities, precipitating a collapse, and an underclass (dependent on those responsibilities) who rise up to demand complete redistribution. We are witnessing Cloward-Piven in action, the death throes of our current civilization, and from those ashes the rising of a new socialist civilization. That is, unless there are those, who are shaken from their apathy to do anything about it. Tyranny is always better organized than Liberty. If you don't mind something from Arfcom's own time-traveler. It is italicized and in red: Quoted:
Quoted: In other news I see masses of a certain demographic rioting and protesting. What they don't understand is they are being played for fools by the elite that are pulling the strings. These protests around America will become worse and more violent then there is gonna be an event take place that causes an all out battle. In the end these thug protestors are gonna be on the losing side of things.
I have long suspected that. They're whipped into a frenzy, causing the public to demand law and order, even if it's martial law. They'll get it and the thugs will be put down. But martial law will remain. **The head of the nail has been hit. "They'll get it and the thugs will be put down. But martial law will remain." No doubt... Of course, -who- the THUGS are, will be determined... Generally by our OPPONENTS! ----for us....
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Posted: 5/8/2015 10:44:11 PM EDT
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The problem with this "analysis" is that it is bogus. THERE ISN'T ANY TRUST FUND AND NEVER WAS!! The so-called "trust fund" is a mirage that is perpetrated by the socialists who conceived of the Robin-Hood Ponzi scheme. By claiming there is a "Social Security Trust Fund", they can pretend it isn't strictly a tax-some-to-give-to-others program, which it is. There has never been a "I pay in for X years, then I get my money back". It has never, and will never, work that way. Current distributions are paid by the Treasury. Current SS taxes are collected by the Treasury. That's it. If more people start taking money, either SS taxes must go up, or the .gov has to make up the shortfall by using revenues from other sources. Similarly, if the SS taxes being collected exceed distributions, then the money is swallowed up elsewhere in Federal morass. There is no SS Trust Fund. There never was a Trust Fund. It's a convenient fiction to try to fool people into believing that SS is something that it is not. Bottom line is their "analysis" is fatally flawed because the premise upon which they base their calculations is fundamentally wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Financial health overstated since 2000... "After 2000, forecast errors became increasingly biased, and in the same direction. Trustees Reports after 2000 all overestimated the assets in the program and overestimated solvency of the Trust Funds," "We have a situation that is like Enron accounting," Kotlikoff said. "And the public doesn't want to hear about it." What will WE do?
The problem with this "analysis" is that it is bogus. THERE ISN'T ANY TRUST FUND AND NEVER WAS!! The so-called "trust fund" is a mirage that is perpetrated by the socialists who conceived of the Robin-Hood Ponzi scheme. By claiming there is a "Social Security Trust Fund", they can pretend it isn't strictly a tax-some-to-give-to-others program, which it is. There has never been a "I pay in for X years, then I get my money back". It has never, and will never, work that way. Current distributions are paid by the Treasury. Current SS taxes are collected by the Treasury. That's it. If more people start taking money, either SS taxes must go up, or the .gov has to make up the shortfall by using revenues from other sources. Similarly, if the SS taxes being collected exceed distributions, then the money is swallowed up elsewhere in Federal morass. There is no SS Trust Fund. There never was a Trust Fund. It's a convenient fiction to try to fool people into believing that SS is something that it is not. Bottom line is their "analysis" is fatally flawed because the premise upon which they base their calculations is fundamentally wrong. Naturally, and we Americans LOVE Fooling Ourselfs!
If you are uncertain re the truth of this statement... Look how long we have been DOING IT! 
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Posted: 5/9/2015 12:09:42 AM EDT
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I've posted many times here re the Cloward-Piven strategy. It's quite important folks have an understanding of this. LINK>>>> Decent enuf ezplanation, tho the consequences are far wider and more devastating than one would imagine
We're running head-long into their Theory. Most are oblivious, incl here
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I said this all through Ferguson, and I will say it again here for baltimore and the "Black Spring" the media is talking about for the summer... The tenets of the Cloward-Piven strategy calls for the victimized underclasses to rise up, to create an atmosphere of violence that will precipitate "change" in the political order. The current capitalist system will be burdened with impossible responsibilities, precipitating a collapse, and an underclass (dependent on those responsibilities) who rise up to demand complete redistribution. We are witnessing Cloward-Piven in action, the death throes of our current civilization, and from those ashes the rising of a new socialist civilization. That is, unless there are those, who are shaken from their apathy to do anything about it. Tyranny is always better organized than Liberty. I've posted many times here re the Cloward-Piven strategy. It's quite important folks have an understanding of this. LINK>>>> Decent enuf ezplanation, tho the consequences are far wider and more devastating than one would imagine
We're running head-long into their Theory. Most are oblivious, incl here
From the wikipedia you cited.... How does a "national system of "a guaranteed annual income" work? It must be funded by currency. Currency is based on trust. With the next crisis, probably a currency crisis, trust will be broken. Belief in a U.S. currency won't work. The world will shun a U.S. currency. Most U.S. folk will too after losing everything they have in the bank and 401K. If it wasn't a hard asset, you got screwed. So how does that work for the next "system"? I believe anyone with hard goods will keep their products off the shelves as long as they believe a U.S. currency is shit, which is what will happen in the next collapse. It will get interesting with 280 million guns out there. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 12:31:22 AM EDT
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From the wikipedia you cited.... How does a "national system of "a guaranteed annual income" work? It must be funded by currency. Currency is based on trust. With the next crisis, probably a currency crisis, trust will be broken. Belief in a U.S. currency won't work. The world will shun a U.S. currency. Most U.S. folk will too after losing everything they have in the bank and 401K. If it wasn't a hard asset, you got screwed. So how does that work for the next "system"? I believe anyone with hard goods will keep their products off the shelves as long as they believe a U.S. currency is shit, which is what will happen in the next collapse. It will get interesting with 280 million guns out there. C'mon. Who says there has to be trust? Control of the printing press enabled Germany to hyper-inflate during Weimar, Zimbabwe, Argentina, and many other nations. Even Greenspan said that social security obligations can be filled because of the ability to print which they will do and are still doing (QE plus its hidden version where the member banks buy the new T-notes). The world is already starting to shun the USD. Back in 2008 before QE, everyone used the dollar and went through SWIFT to buy things. Now 40% of the world's population avoids SWIFT and the USD. With the creation of the AIIB, the Chinese are challenging the World Bank now. If the Saudis and OPEC say no to the USD, it's over. If China dumps its Treasuries, it's over. Russia wont, but don't have to (they've been dumping their dollars and buying gold; at least 30 tons last month). Wait for Oct. when the IMF will consider what currencies will be considered as part of its basket of currencies that constitute the SDRs. I expect that the Chinese will reveal that they possess more gold than the barely over 1,000 tons they officially hold. Then again, I expect the Chinese to lie about the true number and under state what their stash. I suspect it is over 6,000 tons but they'll claim slightly more than what the Germans purportedly have. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 12:59:26 AM EDT
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The problem with this "analysis" is that it is bogus. THERE ISN'T ANY TRUST FUND AND NEVER WAS!! The so-called "trust fund" is a mirage that is perpetrated by the socialists who conceived of the Robin-Hood Ponzi scheme. By claiming there is a "Social Security Trust Fund", they can pretend it isn't strictly a tax-some-to-give-to-others program, which it is. There has never been a "I pay in for X years, then I get my money back". It has never, and will never, work that way. Current distributions are paid by the Treasury. Current SS taxes are collected by the Treasury. That's it. If more people start taking money, either SS taxes must go up, or the .gov has to make up the shortfall by using revenues from other sources. Similarly, if the SS taxes being collected exceed distributions, then the money is swallowed up elsewhere in Federal morass. There is no SS Trust Fund. There never was a Trust Fund. It's a convenient fiction to try to fool people into believing that SS is something that it is not. Bottom line is their "analysis" is fatally flawed because the premise upon which they base their calculations is fundamentally wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Financial health overstated since 2000... "After 2000, forecast errors became increasingly biased, and in the same direction. Trustees Reports after 2000 all overestimated the assets in the program and overestimated solvency of the Trust Funds," "We have a situation that is like Enron accounting," Kotlikoff said. "And the public doesn't want to hear about it." What will WE do?
The problem with this "analysis" is that it is bogus. THERE ISN'T ANY TRUST FUND AND NEVER WAS!! The so-called "trust fund" is a mirage that is perpetrated by the socialists who conceived of the Robin-Hood Ponzi scheme. By claiming there is a "Social Security Trust Fund", they can pretend it isn't strictly a tax-some-to-give-to-others program, which it is. There has never been a "I pay in for X years, then I get my money back". It has never, and will never, work that way. Current distributions are paid by the Treasury. Current SS taxes are collected by the Treasury. That's it. If more people start taking money, either SS taxes must go up, or the .gov has to make up the shortfall by using revenues from other sources. Similarly, if the SS taxes being collected exceed distributions, then the money is swallowed up elsewhere in Federal morass. There is no SS Trust Fund. There never was a Trust Fund. It's a convenient fiction to try to fool people into believing that SS is something that it is not. Bottom line is their "analysis" is fatally flawed because the premise upon which they base their calculations is fundamentally wrong. This is the beauty of a fiat system, it's easy to add or extract a zero because none of it is real. Just as most banks don't contain enough cash in their vaults to cover their balances, there isn't an issue until everyone wants something tangible at once. This is also where welfare helps the fed. As long as the sheeple believe the the fed will somehow save them, they'll stay in the fields grazing. The only way to keep this going is to keep promising more. It solves nothing but delays the collapse a bit longer. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 1:09:31 AM EDT
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C'mon. Who says there has to be trust? Control of the printing press enabled Germany to hyper-inflate during Weimar, Zimbabwe, Argentina, and many other nations. Even Greenspan said that social security obligations can be filled because of the ability to print which they will do and are still doing (QE plus its hidden version where the member banks buy the new T-notes). The world is already starting to shun the USD. Back in 2008 before QE, everyone used the dollar and went through SWIFT to buy things. Now 40% of the world's population avoids SWIFT and the USD. With the creation of the AIIB, the Chinese are challenging the World Bank now. If the Saudis and OPEC say no to the USD, it's over. If China dumps its Treasuries, it's over. Russia wont, but don't have to (they've been dumping their dollars and buying gold; at least 30 tons last month). Wait for Oct. when the IMF will consider what currencies will be considered as part of its basket of currencies that constitute the SDRs. I expect that the Chinese will reveal that they possess more gold than the barely over 1,000 tons they officially hold. Then again, I expect the Chinese to lie about the true number and under state what their stash. I suspect it is over 6,000 tons but they'll claim slightly more than what the Germans purportedly have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the wikipedia you cited.... How does a "national system of "a guaranteed annual income" work? It must be funded by currency. Currency is based on trust. With the next crisis, probably a currency crisis, trust will be broken. Belief in a U.S. currency won't work. The world will shun a U.S. currency. Most U.S. folk will too after losing everything they have in the bank and 401K. If it wasn't a hard asset, you got screwed. So how does that work for the next "system"? I believe anyone with hard goods will keep their products off the shelves as long as they believe a U.S. currency is shit, which is what will happen in the next collapse. It will get interesting with 280 million guns out there. C'mon. Who says there has to be trust? Control of the printing press enabled Germany to hyper-inflate during Weimar, Zimbabwe, Argentina, and many other nations. Even Greenspan said that social security obligations can be filled because of the ability to print which they will do and are still doing (QE plus its hidden version where the member banks buy the new T-notes). The world is already starting to shun the USD. Back in 2008 before QE, everyone used the dollar and went through SWIFT to buy things. Now 40% of the world's population avoids SWIFT and the USD. With the creation of the AIIB, the Chinese are challenging the World Bank now. If the Saudis and OPEC say no to the USD, it's over. If China dumps its Treasuries, it's over. Russia wont, but don't have to (they've been dumping their dollars and buying gold; at least 30 tons last month). Wait for Oct. when the IMF will consider what currencies will be considered as part of its basket of currencies that constitute the SDRs. I expect that the Chinese will reveal that they possess more gold than the barely over 1,000 tons they officially hold. Then again, I expect the Chinese to lie about the true number and under state what their stash. I suspect it is over 6,000 tons but they'll claim slightly more than what the Germans purportedly have. China and OPEC won't dump the dollar because it hurts them just as much if not more. Their entire economy is geared towards feeding us goods and services. If we can no longer buy, they can no longer sell. Now, you may see some form of world currency floated for international trade with exchange rates tweaked as needed to keep the various economies balances. Again however, this is all fiat and any crisis would quickly pop that bubble. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 1:20:18 AM EDT
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This is the beauty of a fiat system, it's easy to add or extract a zero because none of it is real. Just as most banks don't contain enough cash in their vaults to cover their balances, there isn't an issue until everyone wants something tangible at once. This is also where welfare helps the fed. As long as the sheeple believe the the fed will somehow save them, they'll stay in the fields grazing. The only way to keep this going is to keep promising more. It solves nothing but delays the collapse a bit longer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Financial health overstated since 2000... "After 2000, forecast errors became increasingly biased, and in the same direction. Trustees Reports after 2000 all overestimated the assets in the program and overestimated solvency of the Trust Funds," "We have a situation that is like Enron accounting," Kotlikoff said. "And the public doesn't want to hear about it." What will WE do?
The problem with this "analysis" is that it is bogus. THERE ISN'T ANY TRUST FUND AND NEVER WAS!! The so-called "trust fund" is a mirage that is perpetrated by the socialists who conceived of the Robin-Hood Ponzi scheme. By claiming there is a "Social Security Trust Fund", they can pretend it isn't strictly a tax-some-to-give-to-others program, which it is. There has never been a "I pay in for X years, then I get my money back". It has never, and will never, work that way. Current distributions are paid by the Treasury. Current SS taxes are collected by the Treasury. That's it. If more people start taking money, either SS taxes must go up, or the .gov has to make up the shortfall by using revenues from other sources. Similarly, if the SS taxes being collected exceed distributions, then the money is swallowed up elsewhere in Federal morass. There is no SS Trust Fund. There never was a Trust Fund. It's a convenient fiction to try to fool people into believing that SS is something that it is not. Bottom line is their "analysis" is fatally flawed because the premise upon which they base their calculations is fundamentally wrong. This is the beauty of a fiat system, it's easy to add or extract a zero because none of it is real. Just as most banks don't contain enough cash in their vaults to cover their balances, there isn't an issue until everyone wants something tangible at once. This is also where welfare helps the fed. As long as the sheeple believe the the fed will somehow save them, they'll stay in the fields grazing. The only way to keep this going is to keep promising more. It solves nothing but delays the collapse a bit longer. No, it solves EVERYTHANG!
It creates a VOTING BLOCK that GUARANTEES the election of Leftist Totalitarians... Who are gonna take EVERYTHING you ---and our COUNTRY, got. LEGALLY!
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Posted: 5/9/2015 11:06:15 AM EDT
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China and OPEC won't dump the dollar because it hurts them just as much if not more. Their entire economy is geared towards feeding us goods and services. If we can no longer buy, they can no longer sell. Now, you may see some form of world currency floated for international trade with exchange rates tweaked as needed to keep the various economies balances. Again however, this is all fiat and any crisis would quickly pop that bubble. China has been dumping the dollar. They've been opening swap facilities worldwide and there is even one in Los Angeles. Most Asian nations don't use the dollar in trading with the Chinese. Nor do the Chinese use the dollar when they buy oil from Russia. As for trade with the US, China is already hurting and their bubbles are bursting now. Exports are down (we could anticipate this because importation of raw materials from Australia and Brasil were down before that), their first real estate developer defaulted. The Chinese are fully aware of QE and that's why they don't buy our debt anymore and have been either dumping it (but they don't want to start a panic rush for the exit door) or depositing them into Wells Fargo as security (upon which they draw out loans to buy property in the US - something for nothing!). The Arabs have been stabbed many times in the back by the West. They were induced to buy gold in the early '80s when it soared to $800 oz. Then it dropped. They had a lot of money here and then many banks (S&L) bellied up, making a lot of their money vanish into money heaven. Now with QE, they know that the dollar is being monetized and know that QE hasn't stopped (the Fed stopped buying but its member banks have filled that role). It's only a matter of time before OPEC says no to the dollar. If Rickards is right, the new world currency will be the SDR. As mentioned above, China is going to bid to have the yuan included in the IMF's basket of currencies. This will further unseat the dollar and strengthen the SDR. BTW, only big boys get to play with SDRs. Peasants like us don't. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 3:36:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2015 4:33:15 PM EDT
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I've posted many times here re the Cloward-Piven strategy. It's quite important folks have an understanding of this. LINK>>>> Decent enuf ezplanation, tho the consequences are far wider and more devastating than one would imagine
We're running head-long into their Theory. Most are oblivious, incl here
What's dangerous are those people who think it's a leftist "conspiracy". The "strategy" isn't really an organized "strategy" at all. It's really just a "behavior". It's a common result of authoritarianism, and it doesn't matter which side of that polarity, left or right, is in power. A lot of damage has been done by conservatives, attempting to increase their authoritarian power ...for the good of society, just like the left. It's the behavior of the political class, and electorate. So perhaps it should be called the "authoritarian effect". It's what happens when you concede power to other people. It's what makes government "evil", and it's what many, MANY people have warned us about. "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters". "Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal". "The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun." "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences" "The people cannot delegate to government the power to do anything which would be unlawful for them to do themselves." "Don't ever think you know what's right for the other person. He might start thinking he knows what's right for you." "...The Bill of Rights is a literal and absolute document. The First Amendment doesn't say you have a right to speak out unless the government has a 'compelling interest' in censoring the Internet. The Second Amendment doesn't say you have the right to keep and bear arms until some madman plants a bomb. The Fourth Amendment doesn't say you have the right to be secure from search and seizure unless some FBI agent thinks you fit the profile of a terrorist. The government has no right to interfere with any of these freedoms under any circumstances." "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." All governments are more or less combinations against the people. . .and as rulers have no more virtue than the ruled. . . the power of government can only be kept within its constituted bounds by the display of a power equal to itself, the collected sentiment of the people. "The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this." "The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."[/b "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." It's dangerous to believe it's a leftist conspiracy. Rightist authoritarians have sodomize our liberty just like the left. It's a "government problem". Cloward–Piven strategy was written down in the mid-60's. This began long before the 60's. |
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Posted: 5/11/2015 3:27:09 PM EDT
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I'll leave this example ---one of BAZILLIONS ---reported in the 'Conservative News', here...
Leftists maneuver to control US and silence Free Speech... Quote: Bristling at claims that GOP opposition has made the Federal Election Commission "worse than dysfunctional" in the eyes 
of the Democratic chairwoman, [grin] ---Republicans counter-charge that the left is frustrated because it hasn't succeeded in regulating conservative Internet sites, media and right-leaning super PACs. In an escalating fight on the politically-divided FEC, the former Republican chairman on Monday charged his Democratic replacement with playing politics and trying to belittle foes to get her way. [Demonization is the Demoncrats' SPECIALITY] "In Washington, people [read Demoncraps] have a way of vilifying anything they disagree with in the most unflattering labels," wrote Republican Commissioner Lee E. Goodman in a column for Politico. It was in response to claims by Democratic Chair Ann Ravel that the GOP is thwarting her bid to clean up politics. ****************** THEY will do ANYTHING to concentrate and secure their power and control over us. This is only one issue, of many, in the news today, but an important one, discussing how the Democratic Leftists are trying to silence their opposition Mostly--- the GULLIBLE, the Naïve, folks not paying attention, folks with an AGENDA, folks afraid to face reality, folks with calcified brains unable to entertain ideas outside their scope of 'normalcy', and the stupid --- can't see what's going on in front of their noses.
It HAS BEEN 45 years [that I've been paying attention, to their strategies, at least] From a high school champion science fair winner [all the way], engineering student, Instrument Maker at a major university Physics dept by 19YO, 3 piece suit Field Engineer for a large [grin] computer co by 22YO, engineering student [again], LEO in 2 different jurisdictions, successful entrepreneur, etc, I have observed the BROADLY scoped Leftist takeover of EVERY aspect of our society, military and country, at each endeavor of my career, with apprehension. Frankly, it's only gotten worse, the Left 'feels' ENTITLED ----without any CONSTRAINT---- to do ANYTHING they want to us --- as a means to Progress toward fully implementing their Ideology of Total Power and Control. THEY make NO BONES about it!!! [Anymore, since we've gone so far -out to lunch and have become generally irrelevant WRT opposing them] 
Because we have become such introspected and incompetent Pansies and Patsies, and in many cases, self-centered poorly motivated Addicts of one form or another, we shouldn't expect anything to change.
[Expy/ not one to engage in Wishful Thinking, or Belly Button Lint examination]
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:16:08 AM EDT
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HSBC WARNS: Economy faces 'titanic problem'...
Snipped... "Whereas previous recoveries have enabled monetary and fiscal policymakers to replenish their ammunition, this recovery — both in the US and elsewhere — has been distinguished by a persistent munitions shortage. This is a major problem. In all recessions since the 1970s, the US Fed funds rate has fallen by a minimum of 5 percentage points. That kind of traditional stimulus is now completely ruled out." ..."As for what might trigger the next recession, King highlighted these four things:
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:21:06 AM EDT
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I have long felt that the dollar will be the last man standing. It will be buoyed by the weakness of other currencies and then it too will fail. 3 B's. At that point, all the currencies will be revalued. Can't have everyone running around as millionaires and Zimbabwe style wealth is not really desirable.
I'm inclined to believe the SDR will be the new world reserve currency and that the gold based Yuan will be part of its basket of currencies. Wait for Oct. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 1:09:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2015 1:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMORE government to solve the problems government has created. That's always an authoritarian's answer. Individualism is the problem. Freedom is the problem. Free individuals are more difficult to rule, than a single collective. Get individuals to surrender themselves to the collective, and you've created a more profitable plantation. You can do anything you want to a single individual in the name of what's good for the collective. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 1:21:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat could go wrong???? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 1:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLOL, says Gordon Brown, who bottom-ticked the gold market and liquidated the UK's gold reserves at a huge loss. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:05:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, says Gordon Brown, who bottom-ticked the gold market and liquidated the UK's gold reserves at a huge loss. Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, says Gordon Brown, who bottom-ticked the gold market and liquidated the UK's gold reserves at a huge loss. snip... "Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies. Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy. Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible." |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:12:43 PM EDT
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Read past the picture, he really had nothing to do with this article. snip... "Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies. Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy. Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL, says Gordon Brown, who bottom-ticked the gold market and liquidated the UK's gold reserves at a huge loss. snip... "Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies. Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy. Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible." Thanks, I did - caught the pic and title on my phone, after downloading the paper (which didn't even reference Brown), the quote of Brown in the article isn't even correct (or at least disputed later) 
"When we finally manage to snatch some time in the study on the first floor, I ask if he has any regrets about his boast: 'No more boom and bust'," writes Pearson.
"I actually said, 'No more Tory boom and bust'," was Brown's reply. http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/factcheck+no+more+boom+and+bust/2564157.html |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 6:09:22 PM EDT
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Read past the picture, he really had nothing to do with this article. snip... "Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies. Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy. Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL, says Gordon Brown, who bottom-ticked the gold market and liquidated the UK's gold reserves at a huge loss. snip... "Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies. Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy. Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible." Cyber currencies and bullion would become popular. I'm sure there would be all sorts of "roundabouts" invented, adapted, and used. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 11:48:17 PM EDT
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As well as illegal as hell.
An opportunity for a WAR, this time on Unauthorized Financial Instruments or Coupons for Exchange of Value. To make Folks Financial Terrorists and to provide plenty of opportunity to shoot them... And their dogs. |
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Posted: 5/14/2015 11:07:38 AM EDT
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http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-us-senate-reaches-deal-on-trade-fast-track-after-setback-2015-5?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29
This probably deserves its own thread, but this agreement is worse than NAFTA and is one of the final dozen nails in the coffin of this country. It's infuriating. Why does this need to be secret? Why would congress give away yet more of its power to the executive branch? |
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Posted: 5/14/2015 11:12:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-us-senate-reaches-deal-on-trade-fast-track-after-setback-2015-5?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29 This probably deserves its own thread, but this agreement is worse than NAFTA and is one of the final dozen nails in the coffin of this country. It's infuriating. Why does this need to be secret? Why would congress give away yet more of its power to the executive branch? Why does Congress transfer its authority to the executive branch? Why in anticipation of the new rules that will render the Constitution obsolete. They've been doing that for a while and since the first election of Dear Leader, we have heard our politicos talk about the need for new rules. The Supremes are gutted too (look at 0-Care) and how Roberts flopped against America. Now, as to the issue of cashless society, that means more control. They'll know what you buy, how much of it, when and where. No wonder why they hate gold and silver. You can run a black market with that shiny sh*t. No trail, electronic or otherwise. God Bless those wig wearing dead white dudes. They are wiser than us. |
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Posted: 5/16/2015 2:15:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2015 2:28:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-us-senate-reaches-deal-on-trade-fast-track-after-setback-2015-5?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29 This probably deserves its own thread, but this agreement is worse than NAFTA and is one of the final dozen nails in the coffin of this country. It's infuriating. Why does this need to be secret? Why would congress give away yet more of its power to the executive branch? Why is it in secret? Because it is treason. |
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Posted: 5/16/2015 5:09:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cyber currencies and bullion would become popular. I'm sure there would be all sorts of "roundabouts" invented, adapted, and used. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL, says Gordon Brown, who bottom-ticked the gold market and liquidated the UK's gold reserves at a huge loss. snip... "Apart from the control over the economy, there would be many other advantages of a cashless society. Such a system is much cheaper to run than one based on banknotes and coins. Forgery is impossible, as are robberies. Electronic money is an inclusive and convenient system, giving poor and rural sectors of an economy – where cash machines and bank branches may be few and far between and not all people have accounts – a tool for easy participation in the economy. Finally, the "black economy” will be hugely diminished, and tax evasion made all but impossible." Cyber currencies and bullion would become popular. I'm sure there would be all sorts of "roundabouts" invented, adapted, and used. Leading German Keynesian Economist Calls For Cash Ban"Coins and bills are obsolete and only reduce the influence of central banks," All the Cash in the world will never be enough for these Pimps |
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Posted: 5/16/2015 5:12:07 PM EDT
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It's obviously a Vast Leftwing Socialist Totalitarian Conspiracy!
Oh- wait
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Posted: 5/16/2015 5:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's obviously a Vast Leftwing Socialist Totalitarian Conspiracy! Oh- wait Corruption? Yes This kind of thinking signals their desperation. If WE the People of the World lose faith in Central Banking, then the only thing left will be a black market. Black Markets never pay taxes. Look at what's happening in Greece to see what happens |
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