How can it be cheaper to ship in grapes from Chile??

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How can it be cheaper to ship in grapes from Chile??

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:19:42 AM EDT

Most if not all of the grapes sold in our local stores are "products of Chile". From what I have seen on Travel Channel, Chile is a fairly modern country,not some 3rd world hellhole paying slave workers 2 cents a day. So......How on earth can it be economically viable to ship in fruits like grapes (which I presume need to be refrigerated & shipped quickly to avoid spoiling) from ANOTHER CONTINENT rather than shipping them in from California, Texas or Florida??

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:23:03 AM EDT

[#1]

Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Mexican grapes won't start till May and then it moves to the Cochella Valley area of CA.

Chile provides all of your stone fruit and grapes from about mid Dec till Mexico starts harvesting.

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:23:35 AM EDT

[#2]

I dunno but I'm eating some oranges from Jerusalem and they're fucking delicious.

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:26:04 AM EDT

[#3]

"Because it's all part of the syndicate. And everybody has a share."

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:28:00 AM EDT

[#4]

Fresh produce used to be seasonal, now you can get just about anything at anytime. The growing seasons in the southern hemisphere are opposite from ours.

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:28:40 AM EDT

[#5]

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I dunno but I'm eating some oranges from Jerusalem and they're fucking delicious.

Israel has a robust citrus program. At one time they were helping Cuba with their program.

South African and Australian navels are pretty good.

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:30:16 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Northern hemisphere/Southern hemisphere, how does that work?!

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:40:06 AM EDT

[#7]

And they are good grapes Canada has great peaches

Posted: 3/24/2012 5:40:22 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
"Because it's all part of the syndicate. And everybody has a share."

Very well-played

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Posted: 3/24/2012 5:44:27 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Mexican grapes won't start till May and then it moves to the Cochella Valley area of CA.

Chile provides all of your stone fruit and grapes from about mid Dec till Mexico starts harvesting.

Thanks, I just assumed they could plant in rotation and get a continuous crop.

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:06:26 AM EDT

[#10]

Southern hemisphere has it's seasons opposite of ours. It is summer, going into fall down there now. They have 4 seasons the same as us.

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:13:27 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Mexican grapes won't start till May and then it moves to the Cochella Valley area of CA.

Chile provides all of your stone fruit and grapes from about mid Dec till Mexico starts harvesting.

Thanks, I just assumed they could plant in rotation and get a continuous crop.

Chile pretty much looks just like CA.

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:14:44 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Mexican grapes won't start till May and then it moves to the Cochella Valley area of CA.

Chile provides all of your stone fruit and grapes from about mid Dec till Mexico starts harvesting.

Yep, grapes aren't a year round thing OP.

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:16:07 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Mexican grapes won't start till May and then it moves to the Cochella Valley area of CA.

Chile provides all of your stone fruit and grapes from about mid Dec till Mexico starts harvesting.

Thanks, I just assumed they could plant in rotation and get a continuous crop.

Chile pretty much looks just like CA.

Without all the libtard assholes.

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:30:28 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Mexican grapes won't start till May and then it moves to the Cochella Valley area of CA.

Chile provides all of your stone fruit and grapes from about mid Dec till Mexico starts harvesting.

Thanks, I just assumed they could plant in rotation and get a continuous crop.

Grapes are not planted like that. The vines live for many years.

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:34:41 AM EDT

[#15]

There use to be a pizza shop next to our store. When I was taking the trash out one day I noticed an empty box in the dumpster....

MUSHROOMS Product of China

No how the hell can it be cheaper to ship mushrooms all the way from China to Bum-Fuk Kansas?

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:40:02 AM EDT

[#16]

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There use to be a pizza shop next to our store. When I was taking the trash out one day I noticed an empty box in the dumpster....

MUSHROOMS Product of China

No how the hell can it be cheaper to ship mushrooms all the way from China to Bum-Fuk Kansas?

I'm not aware of China shipping mushrooms into the US unless it is some type of variety not grown here.

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:56:59 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

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There use to be a pizza shop next to our store. When I was taking the trash out one day I noticed an empty box in the dumpster....

MUSHROOMS Product of China

No how the hell can it be cheaper to ship mushrooms all the way from China to Bum-Fuk Kansas?

I'm not aware of China shipping mushrooms into the US unless it is some type of variety not grown here.

Plenty of canned 'schrooms from China where I shop. I really have to look to find American produced mushrooms, except when buying fresh.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:01:56 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There use to be a pizza shop next to our store. When I was taking the trash out one day I noticed an empty box in the dumpster....

MUSHROOMS Product of China

No how the hell can it be cheaper to ship mushrooms all the way from China to Bum-Fuk Kansas?

I'm not aware of China shipping mushrooms into the US unless it is some type of variety not grown here.

Plenty of canned 'schrooms from China where I shop. I really have to look to find American produced mushrooms, except when buying fresh.

I didn't think about canned. Was thinking fresh.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:03:09 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

There use to be a pizza shop next to our store. When I was taking the trash out one day I noticed an empty box in the dumpster....

MUSHROOMS Product of China

No how the hell can it be cheaper to ship mushrooms all the way from China to Bum-Fuk Kansas?

I'm not aware of China shipping mushrooms into the US unless it is some type of variety not grown here.

Plenty of canned 'schrooms from China where I shop. I really have to look to find American produced mushrooms, except when buying fresh.

I didn't think about canned. Was thinking fresh.

I would imagine these were canned, no reason for a pizza place to spend the extra money for fresh

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:04:13 AM EDT

[#20]

Are the hamburger patties at McDonalds in Wal Mart from China?

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:04:52 AM EDT

[#21]

My butcher informed me the other day that most catfish sold in the US now comes from China - I still can't figure out how that one's economical.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:10:32 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There use to be a pizza shop next to our store. When I was taking the trash out one day I noticed an empty box in the dumpster....

MUSHROOMS Product of China

No how the hell can it be cheaper to ship mushrooms all the way from China to Bum-Fuk Kansas?

I'm not aware of China shipping mushrooms into the US unless it is some type of variety not grown here.

Plenty of canned 'schrooms from China where I shop. I really have to look to find American produced mushrooms, except when buying fresh.

I didn't think about canned. Was thinking fresh.

you do not get paid to think.....

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:11:21 AM EDT

[#23]

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My butcher informed me the other day that most catfish sold in the US now comes from China - I still can't figure out how that one's economical.

noodling is labor intense

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:16:37 AM EDT

[#24]

Last time I went to South America, I brought back a couple bottles of Concha y Toro wine from Chile. Cheapest I could find it there was about $14. Didn't think I'd be able to find it here. So one day I'm in Walgreens, and what do I see? Magnums of the same wine for $8.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:16:54 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Northern hemisphere/Southern hemisphere, how does that work?!

hahaha Mr.Smarty Pants.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:19:56 AM EDT

[#26]

Do they put beans in their chili in Chile, or is Chile a "no beans in chili" country?

Well you know SOMEONE had to ask, right?

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:21:23 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Northern hemisphere/Southern hemisphere, how does that work?!

With Magnets

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:23:39 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Last time I went to South America, I brought back a couple bottles of Concha y Toro wine from Chile. Cheapest I could find it there was about $14. Didn't think I'd be able to find it here. So one day I'm in Walgreens, and what do I see? Magnums of the same wine for $8.

Much of the merchandise is 'export subsidized." Once I bought an AM/FM radio in Japan, it was $150, in the US it was $120. Much the same for Apple's Iphone. There is a small cottage industry where the Chinese "re-import" that into their own country for a cheaper price to sell to their countryman, because they are export subsidized.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:27:42 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Last time I went to South America, I brought back a couple bottles of Concha y Toro wine from Chile. Cheapest I could find it there was about $14. Didn't think I'd be able to find it here. So one day I'm in Walgreens, and what do I see? Magnums of the same wine for $8.

Much of the merchandise is 'export subsidized." Once I bought an AM/FM in Japan, it was $150, in the US it was $120. Much the same for Apple's Iphone. There is a small cottage industry where the Chinese "re-import" that into their own for a cheaper price to sell to their countryman, because they are export subsidized.

That used to the same with Japan with their consumer electronics –– you would see Japanese people heading back to Japan from Hawaii and each family member would have a brand new, very expensive Japanese SLR around their necks. You could easily pay for a vacation that way.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:32:57 AM EDT

[#30]

I looked at a package of "store brand" garlic powder, product of China. How is it we cant make garlic powder cheaper than importing it?

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:34:00 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

"Because it's all part of the syndicate. And everybody has a share."

Nately died a wealthy man, Yossarian. He had over sixty shares in the syndicate.

What difference does that make? He's dead.

Then his family will get it.

He didn't have time to have a family.

Then his parents will get it.

They don't need it, they're rich.

Then they'll understand.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:37:12 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Do they put beans in their chili in Chile, or is Chile a "no beans in chili" country?

Well you know SOMEONE had to ask, right?

No beans, but they stir the chili counter-clockwise (anti-clockwise for our British viewers)

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:37:20 AM EDT

[#33]

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I looked at a package of "store brand" garlic powder, product of China. How is it we cant make garlic powder cheaper than importing it?

Dumping, in the case of garlic. The Chinese set up a shell company (Long Dong Global Garlic Exporters) and export garlic farmed by people making almost nothing, using human waste as fertilizer and using pesticides that have been banned in the US for 40 years, and when they get discovered, they close up shop and reopen the next day with the same stock (as Big Wang Global Garlic Exporters) and only lose the garlic that was on the dock when it was seized. They have been doing this for about 20 years and neither Clinton nor Bush did anything (I can't really single out Obama since he has continued almost all of Bush's policies, including the ones where Bush's policy was "sit around, thumb in ass"). ALWAYS check the garlic for country of origin. This isn't an issue of finding trace amounts of pesticide –– it's enough to make children sick.

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:37:51 AM EDT

[#34]

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My butcher informed me the other day that most catfish sold in the US now comes from China - I still can't figure out how that one's economical.

Having grown up on the coast we were pleased to learn a local grocery store was putting in a seafood section.

They posted a COO sign and 90% of the crap was from China or some other Asian joint.

Every now and then I'll get some Mississippi pond raised cats and fry them up. Special occasions I'll have Billy's Seafood down in Baldwin County Fed Ex some goodies.

If I ever move back down south the sea creatures better LOOK OUT!

Posted: 3/24/2012 7:46:55 AM EDT

[#35]

Yesterday, I bought fresh Swordfish, from New Zealand. $4.99 /lb

The American Swordfish next to it was $8.99 /lb

Somethings wrong.

Posted: 3/24/2012 8:27:03 AM EDT

[#36]

Seasons how do they work?

Posted: 3/24/2012 8:39:21 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:

There use to be a pizza shop next to our store. When I was taking the trash out one day I noticed an empty box in the dumpster....

MUSHROOMS Product of China

No how the hell can it be cheaper to ship mushrooms all the way from China to Bum-Fuk Kansas?

I'm not aware of China shipping mushrooms into the US unless it is some type of variety not grown here.

Better start watching the frozen vegetables as well. So far I have run across frozen broccoli, peas and carrots from China. I look at everything I buy now. Saw some pickles from India the other day. I really don't see how they can make a profit on a $2 bag of frozen broccoli, I assume them have to freeze it over there and ship it refrigerated all the way over to here.

Posted: 3/24/2012 8:39:52 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
My butcher informed me the other day that most catfish sold in the US now comes from China - I still can't figure out how that one's economical.

I looked at importing bio balls from China to use in a wastewater recycle system.

It was cheaper to ship them from China to Houston than to truck them from Houston to Longview, Texas which is 211 miles. I was blown away too. That is why it is so cheap. Those ConEx container shipping was quoted $14/M3 [square meter] for partial loads.

Posted: 3/24/2012 8:42:07 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

There use to be a pizza shop next to our store. When I was taking the trash out one day I noticed an empty box in the dumpster....

MUSHROOMS Product of China

No how the hell can it be cheaper to ship mushrooms all the way from China to Bum-Fuk Kansas?

I'm not aware of China shipping mushrooms into the US unless it is some type of variety not grown here.

Plenty of canned 'schrooms from China where I shop. I really have to look to find American produced mushrooms, except when buying fresh.

I didn't think about canned. Was thinking fresh.

I would imagine these were canned, no reason for a pizza place to spend the extra money for fresh

My local pizza joint offers a choice of fresh or canned mushrooms.

Posted: 3/24/2012 8:43:03 AM EDT

[#40]

It ain't about price it's about season. Without South American produce, we wouldn't have grapes half the year.

Posted: 3/24/2012 8:45:09 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
Last time I went to South America, I brought back a couple bottles of Concha y Toro wine from Chile. Cheapest I could find it there was about $14. Didn't think I'd be able to find it here. So one day I'm in Walgreens, and what do I see? Magnums of the same wine for $8.

Wine in Napa Valley from the winery is a lot more expensive that the same wine in a convenience store in Texas. That one kinda chapped my ass. A $14 bottle of Chardonnay here was 36 to 45 there. Of course the cheapest ham sandwich I found was $9.50.

Posted: 3/24/2012 9:13:40 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because grapes are not grown in TX. FL or CA this time year.

Northern hemisphere/Southern hemisphere, how does that work?!

Magnets.

Posted: 3/24/2012 9:18:56 AM EDT

[#43]

I spent a couple of years in Chile. Lots of it is still pretty third-worldish. Grapes were cheap as dirt there (watermelons too), but they all had seeds because the seedless ones would get shipped to America for a better profit.

Posted: 3/24/2012 9:20:36 AM EDT

[#44]

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Dumping, in the case of garlic.

They can dump all they want, I've got 200 garlic plants in my garden right now.

In this area, there is a thriving little gourmet garlic cottage industry. It's almost all sold on the net too.

You can grow quite a bit in small acreage plots, it takes little work once planted.

Posted: 3/24/2012 9:52:33 AM EDT

[#45]

How another country can grow and ship produce here cheaper than we can grow ? Farm land doesn't cost 4-5K an acre in countries mentioned. They don't have EPA trying to put a cap on cattle farts or turning off water to one of the richest valleys in the world for growing produce. Just to save some tad poles. I damn well bet China doesn't have welfare programs for the rich. ie. Set Aside acres USDA pays a farmer not to grow crop.

Then there's dairy subsidies. I knew we were fucked as a nation in 08 after seeing an Obama sign in 300 acre field of corn stubble in mid-western Nebraska.

Obama gonna take care of them too.

I've seen farm land sell to some rich, slick city boy who makes a sizable down payment on land. Then makes payments with money received from Uncle Sam, calling the place his "hunting retreat". Inviting his fat cat friends to hunt with him whenever the urge comes to mind. Compliments of you and I. Ag subsidies and price controls tip the balance to corporations. Leaving family farm at peril.

My parents generation was the last to have affordable acreage available.

Nowadays it's a bitch hanging onto large tract of land that's paid for, for all the taxes due from death and inheritance tax.

I've got no problem watching meat and produce we grow imported here. Flip side of that coin is beef prices on the hoof are at all time highs. It's export sustaining the high pricing at market.

It will bust and the back side this time will make 08 look like a good time. Last time it was mortgage debt crisis. Next time it's gonna be farm debt crisis.

Uh, wait. I said that before in GD OP. One of them fat cat, city slicker types told me I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.

Disregard.

Posted: 3/24/2012 9:56:29 AM EDT

[#46]

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How another country grow and ship produce here cheaper than we can grow... Farm land doesn't cost 4-5K in countries mentioned. They don't have EPA trying to put a cap on cattle farts or turning off water to one of the richest valleys in the world to grow produce to save some tad poles. I damn well bet China doesn't have welfare programs for the rich. ie. Set Aside acres USDA pays a farmer not to grow crop.

Then there's dairy subsidies. I knew we were fucked as a nation in 08 after seeing an Obama sign in 300 acre field of corn stubble in mid-western Nebraska.

Obama gonna take care of them too.

I've seen farm land sell to some rich, slick city boy who makes a sizable down payment on land. Then makes payments with money received from Uncle Sam, calling the place his "hunting retreat". Inviting his fat cat friends to hunt with him whenever the urge comes to mind. Compliments of you and I. Ag subsidies and price controls tip the balance to corporations. Leaving family farm at peril.

My parents generation was the last to have affordable acreage available.

Nowadays it's a bitch to hang onto large tract of land that's paid for, for all the taxes due from death and inheritance tax.

I've got no problem watching meat and produce we grow imported here. Flip side of that coin is beef prices on the hoof are at all time highs. It's export sustaining the high pricing at market.

It will bust and the back side this time will make 08 look like a good time. Last time it was mortgage debt crisis. Next time it's gonna be farm debt crisis.

Uh, wait. I said that before in GD OP. One of them fat cat, city slicker types told me I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.

Disregard.

This is a good point. A lot of the people in my family hanging onto farmland either want what no one else does (dry land wheat around Spokane) or have oil and has revenues to even out the cash flow (rice in Louisiana). Just normal farming is a hell of lot harder than it should be.

Posted: 3/24/2012 10:11:55 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Last time I went to South America, I brought back a couple bottles of Concha y Toro wine from Chile. Cheapest I could find it there was about $14. Didn't think I'd be able to find it here. So one day I'm in Walgreens, and what do I see? Magnums of the same wine for $8.

Much of the merchandise is 'export subsidized." Once I bought an AM/FM radio in Japan, it was $150, in the US it was $120. Much the same for Apple's Iphone. There is a small cottage industry where the Chinese "re-import" that into their own country for a cheaper price to sell to their countryman, because they are export subsidized.

No, they tax the shit out of it.