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BOSTON — Nine black Boston police supervisors have filed a federal lawsuit in which they claim they were denied advancement because of a discriminatory promotion exam.

The supervisors are suing the city, demanding that it scrap the multiple-choice lieutenant's test. Black and Latino officers historically fare worse on the exams than white and Asian candidates.

Harold Lichten, the lawyer for the officers, tells The Boston Globe that of the department's 51 lieutenants, there are two black men and one Asian man.

http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/5097561-Minority-cops-sue-over-Boston-PD-promotion-exam/

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of course they will get promoted.... its all about equality right? Everyone is treated equally..... just like equals......
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Yes, because the exam is designed to fail people based on their RACE, not their ability to regurgitate facts through multiple choice questions.


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Originally Posted By Infallible:
of course they will get promoted.... its all about equality right? Everyone is treated equally..... just like equals......

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Wait, are we complaining about racism or about stupidity here?
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Originally Posted By Fullpower:
Wait, are we complaining about racism or about stupidity here?

Get both?

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Maybe the TSA exam is more their speed. You know, where they tell you the answers.
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There is always the possibility they will argue that the exam questions are culturally bias; but more likely it is because if you grow up with head of the line privileges and then one day you have to make it on an competitive basis you find out life can be a bitch.
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Easy fix, Find smarter black people.

BAM, black lieutenants.
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Originally Posted By Fullpower:
Wait, are we complaining about racism or about stupidity here?


It's so hard to get straight sometimes ain't it? lol
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You can't make this shit up.
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Originally Posted By Palm:
There is always the possibility they will argue that the exam questions are culturally bias; but more likely it is because if you grow up with head of the line privileges and then one day you have to make it on an competitive basis you find out life can be a bitch.


Yeah those tests come straight from that culturally biased SOP manual and state code.

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Differential outcomes? Oh yeah, sure, the only reasonable conclusion is discrimination.
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Maybe next they should sue their school system for failing them, or perhaps they should sue their father for not being around. The problem is not necessarily the tests but the failings of their society. In other words the issues are much deeper than the test, the solution I don't know maybe you dumb down the tests for the minorities, but then that just creates bad feelings among the white majority.
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Some one post a sample of some of the test question (if possible or legal) so we can all see what the bias is.
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Jacksonville FD just lost a similar lawsuit.. they had to lower the bar.
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One of these days I'm going to see a lawsuit in which a class of minority kids sue the school district because they turned out stupid.

While I hold my breath waiting for that to happen, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they had a legitimate complaint about Boston. We were on Cape Cod those summers, so we got to enjoy the nightly news reports of the riots, destruction, and deaths that were Boston's answer to the busing plan. It left a lasting impression of the makeup of Massachusetts liberals. The news often led with busing stories rather than Watergate.
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There goes the next chief of police, gentlemen.
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Originally Posted By Infallible:
of course they will get promoted.... its all about equality right? Everyone is treated equally..... just like equals......


Its only equal when they are getting special treatment. Every freaken test in the country is multiple choice theese days with a scan sheet for easy grading. This is just bullshit. Whats next are they going to sue every school they attended for giving the test too.

But hey this is America where when ever someone crys they get their way.
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Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Easy fix, Find smarter black people.

BAM, black lieutenants.


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nvm coc violation
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I think its the same as when they lowered the tests for the F.D. the woman could not pass them so they lowered them. If I need to be dragged out of a burning building I want the hulk showing up not someone who needs help getting by the test.
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Ayn Rand's "The Equalization of Opportunity Bill".


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Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Easy fix, Find smarter black people.

BAM, black lieutenants.


Maybe smart black people don't want to be a cop.

Smart minorities can AA their way into much higher paying jobs and work much less than a cop.
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Originally Posted By stangboy555:
Jacksonville FD just lost a similar lawsuit.. they had to lower the bar.


FDNY recently lost on their entrance exam. I took it at 17 years old and scored a 100.
It's 9-10th grade level math and reading comprehension but that still wasn't easy enough for them.
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Originally Posted By 44Regular:
Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Easy fix, Find smarter black people.

BAM, black lieutenants.


Maybe smart black people don't want to be a cop.

Smart minorities can AA their way into much higher paying jobs and work much less than a cop.


You mean like our President?

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Originally Posted By seahorse:
Originally Posted By 44Regular:
Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Easy fix, Find smarter black people.

BAM, black lieutenants.


Maybe smart black people don't want to be a cop.

Smart minorities can AA their way into much higher paying jobs and work much less than a cop.


You mean like our President?



No, he said smart.
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Here's the argument that Jax Fire/Rescue lost.

In the class action lawsuit filed on Tuesday, black firefighters attack the promotional system, which ranks candidates by their score on a 100-question multiple choice exam. The lawsuit says that the multiple choice exam doesn’t test the merit of a candidate and doesn’t test the skills needed for the job, but it favors white test-takers who traditionally outscore black candidates no matter their relative educational levels.



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come to Baltimore, the only way to get hired is to be black
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I'm so proud of the advances my state is making in racial equality. I don't care if the best cop answers my call, as long as he's black.


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Laugh all you want cracker.

You know they are going to win, disparate impact.

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come to Baltimore, the only way to get hired is to be black


That is the desired end state.
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Laugh all you want cracker.

You know they are going to win, disparate impact.



Of course they will. It's MA. They had a similar suit for firefighters in my town. They won.


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Yeah fdny had to change up their test....but that wasn't good enough now they want some sort of supervision inside firehouses because the fdny is mostly white and a lot of guys are related...get your job and do your job like everybody else and there won't be a problem
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come to Baltimore, the only way to get hired is to be black


That is the desired end state.


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They didn't fail because they were brown/black. They failed because they were retarded.
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They didn't fail because they were brown/black. They failed because they were retarded.


unpossible. all whites are racist and want minorities enslaved
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They didn't fail because they were brown/black. They failed because they were retarded.


Worth repeating.
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Originally Posted By Lootie23:
They didn't fail because they were brown/black. They failed because they were retarded.


Worth repeating.


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Originally Posted By lostnswv:
Some one post a sample of some of the test question (if possible or legal) so we can all see what the bias is.


Judging by what most cops in MA do,it probably is something like this:

When sleeping in your car on an 8 hour detail making $50 an hour,what do you do at the end of your shift ?

1) Find another $50 an hour detail to work.

2) Park your car around the corner and sleep some more.

3) Set up a speedtrap and work overtime.

4) All of the above.



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Here's where my mind is blown. An LT, or so I would think, would have more responsibility and be responsible for a greater volume of paperwork. These candidates are complaining about what amounts to a chunk of paperwork. Boggled.
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Originally Posted By stangboy555:
Jacksonville FD just lost a similar lawsuit.. they had to lower the bar.


Pretty soon it'll be like applying for a job as garbage man ( no offense to garbage men).
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I thought it was supposed to be about equality of OPPORTUNITY......not equality of RESULTS ??????
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The Asians should be outraged. If they are so proficient at test taking and there is only one then that appears to be bias
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Fuck em. What are they going to do if they still say no after they get sued? Sometimes I wish I had a public relations job just so I could offend the shit out or all the morons out there. "Sorry, I don't care about your frivolous lawsuit. Maybe you shouldn't have fucked up in school. I'm going to promote the highest qualified people only."








This isn't the argument I would use but they are pretty much already on par for employees of race based on percentage of population. Why should someone have to higher two or more times as many minorities based on percentage of population... that doesn't make sense either.
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