"Collateral Murder"

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - "Collateral Murder" (Page 1 of 5)

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:40:31 PM EDT

The video below is one of the documents sent to Wikileaks by Bradley Manning.

This video, interestingly, was obtained from a JAG's computer.

The first one is the raw footage. The second is with commentary by Wikeleaks editor Julian Assange.

Watch the first one, don't skip to #2. Form you own opionion first.

Good shoot...or no?

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:42:07 PM EDT

[#1]

Seen it...

Good shoot.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:43:20 PM EDT

[#2]

You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:46:24 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:50:02 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:

You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

It's not raw footage, what wikileaks "released" was a doctored video.

It was on the Colbert Report. They obtained the raw video and compared it to the video that wikileaks released. Surprisingly as how sarcastic Colbert is, this was a serious interview. IIRC.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:50:09 PM EDT

[#5]

Seen it, good shoot.

Don't want to get shot? Don't embed with combatants.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:51:49 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:

You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

This same video and following thread have been discussed on here before.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:53:26 PM EDT

[#7]

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/260785/april-12-2010/exclusives––-julian-assange-unedited-interview
skip to 5:20 and Colbert shows that wikileaks was misleading, such as that there had been a firefight there just moments before the apache footage takes place where it shoots people.

Colbert calls him out on editing the video and Assange admits to it.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:55:52 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

It's not raw footage, what wikileaks "released" was a doctored video.

It was on the Colbert Report. They obtained the raw video and compared it to the video that wikileaks released. Surprisingly as how sarcastic Colbert is, this was a serious interview. IIRC.

Using the Colbert report as a source is about on the same level as using The Onion.

Don't you know that he a comedian?

Show me a link to the video before it was "doctored" or bullshit.

Your credibility just keeps going down, kid.

This is like your Paul bashing theads when you don't even vote.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:57:48 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:

You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?
Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?
Show me a link or bullshit.

It's not raw footage, what wikileaks "released" was a doctored video.
It was on the Colbert Report. They obtained the raw video and compared it to the video that wikileaks released. Surprisingly as how sarcastic Colbert is, this was a serious interview. IIRC.

Using the Colbert report as a source is about on the same level as using The Onion.
Don't you know that he a comedian?

Show me a link to the video before it was "doctored" or bullshit.
Your credibility just keeps going down, kid.
This is like your Paul bashing theads when you don't even vote.

ASSANGE (the leader of wikileaks) FUCKING ADMITS THAT THE VIDEO HAS MISSING AND EDITED FOOTAGE.

And for your argument, you have failed to prove that what I said was false, when I got the fucking word from the horses mouth right there on tape.

Posted: 1/6/2012 9:58:06 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

It's not raw footage, what wikileaks "released" was a doctored video.

It was on the Colbert Report. They obtained the raw video and compared it to the video that wikileaks released. Surprisingly as how sarcastic Colbert is, this was a serious interview. IIRC.

Using the Colbert report as a source is about on the same level as using The Onion.

Don't you know that he a comedian?

Show me a link to the video before it was "doctored" or bullshit.

Your credibility just keeps going down, kid.

This is like your Paul bashing theads when you don't even vote.

The wikileaks version points out the two cameramen with cameras, but somehow misses the dude next to them holding an AK as well as another guy with an RPG.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:02:15 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

It's not raw footage, what wikileaks "released" was a doctored video.

It was on the Colbert Report. They obtained the raw video and compared it to the video that wikileaks released. Surprisingly as how sarcastic Colbert is, this was a serious interview. IIRC.

Using the Colbert report as a source is about on the same level as using The Onion.

Don't you know that he a comedian?

Show me a link to the video before it was "doctored" or bullshit.

Your credibility just keeps going down, kid.

This is like your Paul bashing theads when you don't even vote.

ASSANGE (the leader of wikileaks) FUCKING ADMITS THAT THE VIDEO HAS MISSING AND EDITED FOOTAGE.

And for your argument, you have failed to prove that what I said was false, when I got the fucking word from the horses mouth right there on tape.

Breaking up is hard to do, sweet pea, but you are on my IGNORE list in 3, 2, 1....*click*

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:05:39 PM EDT

[#12]

This video has been discussed before. The bad guys had been in continuous combat with coalition forces for over an hour.

The "press" guys were actively helping the terrorists.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:07:03 PM EDT

[#13]

Older than the goddamn mountains. In short, if you shoot at American troops and there's an Apache overhead, you're fucked.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:08:38 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Older than the goddamn mountains. In short, if you shoot at American troops and there's an Apache overhead, you're fucked.

They did not shoot.

Obviously, you have never watched the video.

It may benefit you to actually look at it before you comment...just sayin'

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:09:53 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

It's not raw footage, what wikileaks "released" was a doctored video.

It was on the Colbert Report. They obtained the raw video and compared it to the video that wikileaks released. Surprisingly as how sarcastic Colbert is, this was a serious interview. IIRC.

Using the Colbert report as a source is about on the same level as using The Onion.

Don't you know that he a comedian?

Show me a link to the video before it was "doctored" or bullshit.

Your credibility just keeps going down, kid.

This is like your Paul bashing theads when you don't even vote.

Oh for fucks sake, you are turning your Paultardation up to 11. Its goddamned 'Collateral Murder' and you think its legit? Have you slept through the past few years?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/07/military-raises-questions-credibility-leaked-iraq-shooting-video/

"The problem, according to many who have viewed the video, is that WikiLeaks appears to have done selective editing that tells only half the story..."

Fuck that took all of 4 seconds to find. Back in the day, they didn't let people like you vote, and it was a better country for it.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:10:44 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Older than the goddamn mountains. In short, if you shoot at American troops and there's an Apache overhead, you're fucked.

They did not shoot.

Obviously, you have never watched the video.

It may benefit you to actually look at it before you comment...just sayin'

I watched the edited video that showed the innocent victims. Then I watched the non-edited video that showed the innocent victims with RPGs.

You're a year or so late. In fact, I think I discussed this on MP.net before I ever even registered here.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:12:38 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Older than the goddamn mountains. In short, if you shoot at American troops and there's an Apache overhead, you're fucked.

They did not shoot.

Obviously, you have never watched the video.

It may benefit you to actually look at it before you comment...just sayin'

I'm not sure if you watched the video, because they (the journalists) were with armed insurgents in an area where a firefight was happening.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:13:45 PM EDT

[#18]

Is this video the one where it was claimed that the RPGs were cameras? If so, good kills.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:16:43 PM EDT

[#19]

So, you now trying to prove Manning some kind of hero so you can still vote for that asshole Paul without feeling like a fool?

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:20:22 PM EDT

[#20]

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:21:49 PM EDT

[#21]

You're loosing it Bubba. This Ron Paul / wiki-leak/ Sp.4 Manning, whistle-blower traitor thing is hurting your credibility to be taken seriously my friend.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:27:03 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

I actually have a copy of the Article 15 investigation report. I can email it too you if you want.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:29:47 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

You're loosing it Bubba. This Ron Paul / wiki-leak/ Sp.4 Manning, whistle-blower traitor thing is hurting your credibility to be taken seriously my friend.

Indeed. I try to give the OP a break because there's things I like about Ron Paul, but this sort of thing really doesn't do it for me at all.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:30:47 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

It's not raw footage, what wikileaks "released" was a doctored video.

It was on the Colbert Report. They obtained the raw video and compared it to the video that wikileaks released. Surprisingly as how sarcastic Colbert is, this was a serious interview. IIRC.

Using the Colbert report as a source is about on the same level as using The Onion.

Don't you know that he a comedian?

Show me a link to the video before it was "doctored" or bullshit.

Your credibility just keeps going down, kid.

This is like your Paul bashing theads when you don't even vote.

I have the actual US MILITARY Article 15 investigation report. I think that qualifies as source material....

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:32:41 PM EDT

[#25]

So I take it no one is interested in real "facts" at all?

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:36:12 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
You're loosing it Bubba. This Ron Paul / wiki-leak/ Sp.4 Manning, whistle-blower traitor thing is hurting your credibility to be taken seriously my friend.

This.

Julian Assange is a fucking douchebag of the highest order. Manning is a traitor who blatantly violated the safety of our Service Members, and deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I don't necessarily support Ron Paul (or any candidates right now), but if I did, I'd still continue to decide on my own if I agree with each position he had individually. You don't need to follow him 100% to vote for him. You shouldn't be upset at other people who don't agree with you. Do you think that Ron Paul will be the best choice for the overall future of America? Okay, then vote for him. That should be the only factor in deciding if you are going to vote for someone or not.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:36:41 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
So I take it no one is interested in real "facts" at all?

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:38:31 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

I actually have a copy of the Article 15 investigation report. I can email it too you if you want.

I'd be happy to look at it if you email it.

If the video is doctored, I'd really like to see a copy of the undoctored footage.

I think the original, undoctored raw footage before wikileaks released it would be the most convincing proof of fraud.

The biggest problem I have with this shoot is when they fire on the van. If I came upon wounded people I would try to get them to a hospital ASAP. I would not worry about who they are or what happened...it's the humane thing to do.

Maybe that's just the health care worker in me.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:40:43 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

I actually have a copy of the Article 15 investigation report. I can email it too you if you want.

I'd be happy to look at it if you email it.

If the video is doctored, I'd really like to see a copy of the undoctored footage.

I think the original, undoctored raw footage before wikileaks released it would be the most convincing proof of fraud.

The biggest problem I have with this shoot is when they fire on the van. If I came upon wounded people I would try to get them to a hospital ASAP. I would not worry about who they are or what happened...it's the humane thing to do.

Maybe that's just the health care working in me.

One of the interesting things in the report is that van that was loading the wounded was observed dropping off armed fighters prior to the pitched firefight. It wasn't "just some guy trying to help" it was a support vehicle and a legitimate military target.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:43:31 PM EDT

[#30]

Fuck Julian Ass-ange, Fuck Bradley Manning, & Fuck Ron Paul

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:46:38 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

I actually have a copy of the Article 15 investigation report. I can email it too you if you want.

I'd be happy to look at it if you email it.

If the video is doctored, I'd really like to see a copy of the undoctored footage.

I think the original, undoctored raw footage before wikileaks released it would be the most convincing proof of fraud.

The biggest problem I have with this shoot is when they fire on the van. If I came upon wounded people I would try to get them to a hospital ASAP. I would not worry about who they are or what happened...it's the humane thing to do.

Maybe that's just the health care working in me.

One of the interesting things in the report is that van that was loading the wounded was observed dropping off armed fighters prior to the pitched firefight. It wasn't "just some guy trying to help" it was a support vehicle and a legitimate military target.

If that is the case, that makes a big difference.

The video does not show this.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:46:39 PM EDT

[#32]

I've seen it. Good shoot. I'll say in this thread what I said about it in another thread. The situation sucks. But everyone was acting in good faith. I've never been in a helicopter with what looks like an RPG pointed toward me. They would not have opened fire if they knew those were journalists. It's regrettable, and it sucks, but the good faith is what is most important.

So, I guess, "Good shoot" isn't really a good descriptor of how I feel about it.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:47:20 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Older than the goddamn mountains. In short, if you shoot at American troops and there's an Apache overhead, you're fucked.

They did not shoot.

Obviously, you have never watched the video.

It may benefit you to actually look at it before you comment...just sayin'

What I saw in the video was people dying during a war....

I am outraged, I had no idea that people actually died during war.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:48:13 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Fuck Julian Ass-ange, Fuck Bradley Manning, & Fuck Ron Paul

'bout sums it up.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:50:31 PM EDT

[#35]

Good shoot.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:51:43 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Fuck Julian Ass-ange, Fuck Bradley Manning, & Fuck Ron Paul

This Buckeye speaks the truth.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:52:17 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

I actually have a copy of the Article 15 investigation report. I can email it too you if you want.

I'd be happy to look at it if you email it.

If the video is doctored, I'd really like to see a copy of the undoctored footage.

I think the original, undoctored raw footage before wikileaks released it would be the most convincing proof of fraud.

The biggest problem I have with this shoot is when they fire on the van. If I came upon wounded people I would try to get them to a hospital ASAP. I would not worry about who they are or what happened...it's the humane thing to do.

Maybe that's just the health care working in me.

One of the interesting things in the report is that van that was loading the wounded was observed dropping off armed fighters prior to the pitched firefight. It wasn't "just some guy trying to help" it was a support vehicle and a legitimate military target.

If that is the case, that makes a big difference.

The video does not show this.

Another factor was that 1) the photographers were not wearing the required markings for press. 2) The guys with cameras where in direct proximity to armed fighters engaged in a ongoing firefight, and finally 3) Insurgent routinely had guys taking video and photos for propaganda purposes thus the fact they had cameras so combined with number 2, they were regarded as legitimate targets.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:52:33 PM EDT

[#38]

Good Shoot. Also, Bradley Manning is a traitor and deserves a bullet in the back of the head and Julian Asange is an oportunistic bastard that deserves to be put into a chipper shredder, feet first.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:52:55 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

I actually have a copy of the Article 15 investigation report. I can email it too you if you want.

I'd be happy to look at it if you email it.

If the video is doctored, I'd really like to see a copy of the undoctored footage.

I think the original, undoctored raw footage before wikileaks released it would be the most convincing proof of fraud.

The biggest problem I have with this shoot is when they fire on the van. If I came upon wounded people I would try to get them to a hospital ASAP. I would not worry about who they are or what happened...it's the humane thing to do.

Maybe that's just the health care worker in me.

Uh, the original, undoctored raw footage has been posted in this thread and you blew it off as made up.

Go get your head examined.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:56:19 PM EDT

[#40]

Take a break from the Primary run up guy.

Posted: 1/6/2012 10:56:35 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

If that is the case, that makes a big difference.

The video does not show this.

You must be used to backpedaling by now, I guess.

Regardless, it still doesn't explain how you fell for such obvious propaganda in the first place.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:00:50 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:

If that is the case, that makes a big difference.

The video does not show this.

You must be used to backpedaling by now, I guess.

Regardless, it still doesn't explain how you fell for such obvious propaganda in the first place.

Collateral Murder is a purely unbiased title.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:02:13 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:

If that is the case, that makes a big difference.

The video does not show this.

You must be used to backpedaling by now, I guess.

Regardless, it still doesn't explain how you fell for such obvious propaganda in the first place.

Collateral Murder is a purely unbiased title.

There is a reason why I put quotation marks on the thread title.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:03:09 PM EDT

[#44]

Julian Assface is a fucking needle dick faggot. That is all.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:06:56 PM EDT

[#45]

Cant believe people are still posting this bullshit.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:11:00 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:

If that is the case, that makes a big difference.

The video does not show this.

You must be used to backpedaling by now, I guess.

Regardless, it still doesn't explain how you fell for such obvious propaganda in the first place.

Do you have a copy of the original footage? I'd be happy to look at it. I'm quite open-minded.

I threw this video to GD to make their own decisions...I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

By looking at the video provided, any reasonable person would tend to assume that the van was there to provide medical assistance.

If it is, bad shoot. If it was involved in combat, good shoot.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:12:24 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:

If that is the case, that makes a big difference.

The video does not show this.

You must be used to backpedaling by now, I guess.

Regardless, it still doesn't explain how you fell for such obvious propaganda in the first place.

Do you have a copy of the original footage? I'd be happy to look at it. I'm quite open-minded.

I threw this video to GD to make their own decisions...I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

By looking at the video provided, any reasonable person would tend to assume that the van was there to provide medical assistance.

If it is, bad shoot. If it was involved in combat, good shoot.

Actually, by rendering aid to combatants you automatically become combatants so it's a good shoot no matter what.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:16:14 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
Seen it...

Good shoot.

Agreed.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:25:58 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You do realize that it was a doctored video by Wikileaks?

Meaning it was modified to make it look like US Forces were shooting at innocent people. The actual raw footage shows guys with RPGs.

Since the raw footage was provided by Wikileaks, how the fuck can this be accurate?

Show me a link or bullshit.

I actually have a copy of the Article 15 investigation report. I can email it too you if you want.

I'd be happy to look at it if you email it.

If the video is doctored, I'd really like to see a copy of the undoctored footage.

I think the original, undoctored raw footage before wikileaks released it would be the most convincing proof of fraud.

The biggest problem I have with this shoot is when they fire on the van. If I came upon wounded people I would try to get them to a hospital ASAP. I would not worry about who they are or what happened...it's the humane thing to do.

Maybe that's just the health care worker in me.

Uh, the original, undoctored raw footage has been posted in this thread and you blew it off as made up.Go get your head examined.

Since he obviously missed your post the first time.

Posted: 1/6/2012 11:27:57 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:

If that is the case, that makes a big difference.

The video does not show this.

You must be used to backpedaling by now, I guess.

Regardless, it still doesn't explain how you fell for such obvious propaganda in the first place.

Do you have a copy of the original footage? I'd be happy to look at it. I'm quite open-minded.

I threw this video to GD to make their own decisions...I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

By looking at the video provided, any reasonable person would tend to assume that the van was there to provide medical assistance.

If it is, bad shoot. If it was involved in combat, good shoot.

Actually, by rendering aid to combatants you automatically become combatants so it's a good shoot no matter what.

Well, if the United States is ever attacked then my life expectancy is about zero.

If you come across someone dying in the street it is first nature to help first and get the details later.

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - "Collateral Murder" (Page 1 of 5)

General » General Discussion

Warning

Confirm Action

About AR15.COM

Stay Connected

Newsletter

Contact Us