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Posted: 1/2/2012 2:46:00 AM
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THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT There's some OBR Porn in there  Article Course Breakdown The four-day course begins by ensuring that both the weapons and shooters are capable of delivering precision shots at any range. The students also visit local venues to learn what to look for and seek out when establishing an FFP. The class quickly realizes the complexity and difficulty in operating in large arenas like Cowboys Stadium and why physical fitness for a sniper is essential. Classroom time is provided to teach the theory, equipment and practical applications of delivering accurate, high-angle fire. Discuss. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 2:51:41 AM
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Cool I was taking pictures of a couple at one of the Penn State Games I was at but I had a point and shoot camera so there were just pixels
ETA: I see a OBR around 37 seconds into the second video 
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Posted: 1/2/2012 2:55:07 AM
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reminds me of...
also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:00:54 AM
Very cool.
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texas_mustang_01
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:02:57 AM
Looks like a huge waste of time and resources.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:04:29 AM
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Cool I was taking pictures of a couple at one of the Penn State Games I was at but I had a point and shoot camera so there were just pixels
ETA: I see a OBR around 37 seconds into the second video http://s17.postimage.org/ws9toy7gv/P1120760.jpg http://s17.postimage.org/hyv646zpr/P1120756.jpg I dont think at Penn State they call them snipers. I believe they are "shower lookouts". |
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TheGrayMan
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:09:59 AM
The last boy scout?
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:12:17 AM
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Train as you fight, fight as you train. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:17:32 AM
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? |
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Desert_AIP
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:25:43 AM
Originally Posted By PineTreeMan:
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? 80,000 innocent bystanders in the way. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:30:16 AM
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. I disagree. LEOs should at the very least brainstorm for as many possible scenarios as possible in the locations they operate. It would be irresponsible to NOT prepare for this scenario. It would be stupid in a place like my home, Reno, NV, where we have no mega-stadiums. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:39:09 AM
Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax:
reminds me of... . These days, the plot in the book doesn't sound so outrageous. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Desert_AIP
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:46:44 AM
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rykn0w
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Posted: 1/2/2012 7:26:38 AM
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OZlSFNlLhwg/TVcsKcy8a1I/AAAAAAAAErk/7-HwB0o1-tI/s1600/two-minute-warning-movie-poster-1020465668.jpg this is what i thought of when i read the thread title. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 7:40:00 AM
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By PineTreeMan:
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? 80,000 innocent bystanders in the way. so they better be trained. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 7:45:08 AM
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By PineTreeMan:
Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01:
Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? 80,000 innocent bystanders in the way. so they better be trained. Yep....a lot could go wrong, and they better be well trained and bring their "A" game. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 7:45:43 AM
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP: Actually, there's probably only maybe one or two in the way. Unless all 80,000 just happened to line up in front of the bad guy.Originally Posted By PineTreeMan: Originally Posted By texas_mustang_01: Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? 80,000 innocent bystanders in the way. |
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Bama-Shooter
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Posted: 1/2/2012 7:47:34 AM
Nice.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 7:51:40 AM
So are the sniper rifle crew served weapons now? Who carries that monster tripod?
I didn't see it in the video, but I hope/assume they practice some without those supports. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 8:21:06 AM
He's wearing a shemagh!
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Posted: 1/2/2012 8:23:24 AM
I'll bet the echo sounds pretty cool.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 8:45:01 AM
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Posted: 1/2/2012 8:54:01 AM
Good shit. Worthwhile training as well....
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Posted: 1/2/2012 8:56:45 AM
never done it before, how does that work briefly? |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:09:34 AM
Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:13:19 AM
Originally Posted By rykn0w:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OZlSFNlLhwg/TVcsKcy8a1I/AAAAAAAAErk/7-HwB0o1-tI/s1600/two-minute-warning-movie-poster-1020465668.jpg this is what i thought of when i read the thread title. Yep. 
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:18:43 AM
Originally Posted By nutsandbolts:
never done it before, how does that work briefly? Look at the chart, the distance changes depending on the angle of the shot. At 50 yards with a 50 degree angle, the distance is 32. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:19:49 AM
I watched the first vid. I am all for training and general brainstorming as to "what would we do if X happened" but I think they were showing off for the camera
Landing in the parking lot with a helio? When any event is going on is there any space to do that? Looks to me like the SWAT guys wanted to play with the copter more than any kind of training Rideing on the running board of the SWAT van? Seems like a good way to be cut off at the knees by a cab in NYC or any other big city Training=good Doing silly stuff to look hot for the camera guy =stupid waste of time that could get folks killed when the chips are down |
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RTUtah
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:20:40 AM
Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax: also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:21:36 AM
[Last Edit: 1/2/2012 9:22:59 AM by OhioLongRange]
Originally Posted By nutsandbolts:
never done it before, how does that work briefly? math... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=175018 take your yardage and find your angle of elevation and then multiple THAT by the cosine. So 654yds is, for instance, a 15.25 MOA adjustment, 94% of 15.25 would be a 14.5MOA adjustment. 614yds would have given you more like a 13.5MOA adjustment. also http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexplained/article1.html |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:22:39 AM
Originally Posted By DekeD:
Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:24:21 AM
Is this how they keep the basketball players inline?
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tothemax
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:31:12 AM
Originally Posted By southfloridaguns:
Originally Posted By DekeD:
Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ I don't think it would be that hard to get a gun into one if you really wanted too. Lots of moving parts in a stadium and a lot of places where you could sneak it in. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:41:03 AM
Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax: also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? ARFCOM volunteers |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:42:28 AM
[Last Edit: 1/2/2012 9:45:42 AM by RRA_223]
Originally Posted By tothemax:
Originally Posted By southfloridaguns:
Originally Posted By DekeD:
Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ I don't think it would be that hard to get a gun into one if you really wanted too. Lots of moving parts in a stadium and a lot of places where you could sneak it in. Done it before - last year in fact (was a CCW friend in our group, actually). They had pat-downs, so all you have to do is relocate your carry piece to appendix or groin carry to get in the gate. Not looking like a thug helps quite a bit. It was a long walk back to the car in a bad neighborhood, so personal protection trumps silly laws IMHO. Had they had a check box or somewhere to lock it up, we would have done that... But it still doesn't take away the logistics of finding and taking down a shooter / terrorist in a stadium of 80,000 screaming, running, erratically moving people with children. What's the range these guys would typically shoot at? 250-350+ yards from their perch? What's the accuracy of their rifles and ammo, 3/4 MOA realistically? So even if the shooter is perfect, you still have an error of 2-3 inches on a moving target at a steep angle with wind 300 yards away while trying to take a shoulder/head shot? I hope there are no hostages. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:46:34 AM
Let's just hope Horiuchi isn't one of those "trained" snipers.
Are these guys at stadiums when political action figures are present,or is an every game type of thing ? |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:48:22 AM
Originally Posted By OhioLongRange: Originally Posted By nutsandbolts: never done it before, how does that work briefly? math... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=175018 take your yardage and find your angle of elevation and then multiple THAT by the cosine. So 654yds is, for instance, a 15.25 MOA adjustment, 94% of 15.25 would be a 14.5MOA adjustment. 614yds would have given you more like a 13.5MOA adjustment. also http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexplained/article1.html Thanks. Always wondered how that works. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:51:34 AM
Originally Posted By nhsport:
I watched the first vid. I am all for training and general brainstorming as to "what would we do if X happened" but I think they were showing off for the camera Landing in the parking lot with a helio? When any event is going on is there any space to do that? Looks to me like the SWAT guys wanted to play with the copter more than any kind of training Rideing on the running board of the SWAT van? Seems like a good way to be cut off at the knees by a cab in NYC or any other big city Training=good Doing silly stuff to look hot for the camera guy =stupid waste of time that could get folks killed when the chips are down Yeah a famous training group doesn't have a training program around ariel deployments. |
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Bama-Shooter
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:52:28 AM
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax:
also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? Pretty sure they are mostly LE but the .mil sends their guys all the time to LE training events. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:53:43 AM
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax: also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? Pretty sure they are mostly LE but the .mil sends their guys all the time to LE training events. I was thinking FBI maybe? |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 9:59:45 AM
Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax:
also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? Pretty sure they are mostly LE but the .mil sends their guys all the time to LE training events. I was thinking FBI maybe? That was a Texas Tactical Officers Assoc training event so I would guess it does not involve the FBI. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:04:04 AM
Are there any regular large-attendance sporting events in Israel?
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:04:14 AM
Originally Posted By TrijiCog:
Let's just hope Horiuchi isn't one of those "trained" snipers. Are these guys at stadiums when political action figures are present,or is an every game type of thing ? I know at Dolphin Stadium they are available (on the premises) at every event. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:05:12 AM
I could have used one of those guys to quiet the belligerent asshole sitting next to me at the last football game I attended.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:08:14 AM
Originally Posted By MP15T:
Originally Posted By OhioLongRange:
Originally Posted By nutsandbolts:
never done it before, how does that work briefly? math... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=175018 take your yardage and find your angle of elevation and then multiple THAT by the cosine. So 654yds is, for instance, a 15.25 MOA adjustment, 94% of 15.25 would be a 14.5MOA adjustment. 614yds would have given you more like a 13.5MOA adjustment. also http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexplained/article1.html Thanks. Always wondered how that works. Those distances are pretty long, In a stadium most of the higher angle shots are going to be pretty close (more like 100-150 yards) Any of the shots clear across the stadium(200yds +) are going to be a flatter angle |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:10:11 AM
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Originally Posted By TheTracker: Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax: also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? Pretty sure they are mostly LE but the .mil sends their guys all the time to LE training events. I was thinking FBI maybe? That was a Texas Tactical Officers Assoc training event so I would guess it does not involve the FBI. Going up those stairs and being told , lets go by the instructors. Set up take the shot....... Breath control is something I wouldn't be able to do . It's a good training for these guys. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:13:50 AM
Screw that. Too damn cold sitting way up there in the winter.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:15:55 AM
[Last Edit: 1/2/2012 10:23:52 AM by Mal_means_bad]
Originally Posted By tothemax:
Originally Posted By southfloridaguns:
Originally Posted By DekeD:
Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ I don't think it would be that hard to get a gun into one if you really wanted too. Lots of moving parts in a stadium and a lot of places where you could sneak it in. A couple of years ago a prankster distributed a couple thousand LED widgets that were supposed to spell out something rude at a major college stadium, all it took was a deliveryman uniform and a clipboard and he waltzed right through the service entrance. Correction: 2007 Super Bowl |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:19:01 AM
I thought it was pretty cool until they mounted their rifles in those tripod mounts......
Would have been better to use field expedient expedient means.  |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:23:15 AM
Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax:
also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? ARFCOM volunteers Unpossible..that is out in the sunlight...... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:23:21 AM
Originally Posted By tothemax:
Originally Posted By southfloridaguns:
Originally Posted By DekeD:
Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ I don't think it would be that hard to get a gun into one if you really wanted too. Lots of moving parts in a stadium and a lot of places where you could sneak it in. I (allegedly.) snuck multiple flasks into a college football game this year. (Hypothetically) (Other words to ensure I didn't admit to breaking a law) |
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