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Posted: 1/1/2012 10:46:00 PM EDT
Here's some high angle shootin' for ya:
 There's some OBR Porn in there  Article Course Breakdown The four-day course begins by ensuring that both the weapons and shooters are capable of delivering precision shots at any range. The students also visit local venues to learn what to look for and seek out when establishing an FFP. The class quickly realizes the complexity and difficulty in operating in large arenas like Cowboys Stadium and why physical fitness for a sniper is essential. Classroom time is provided to teach the theory, equipment and practical applications of delivering accurate, high-angle fire. Discuss. |
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Posted: 1/1/2012 10:51:41 PM EDT
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Cool I was taking pictures of a couple at one of the Penn State Games I was at but I had a point and shoot camera so there were just pixels
ETA: I see a OBR around 37 seconds into the second video 
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Posted: 1/1/2012 10:55:07 PM EDT
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reminds me of...
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:00:54 PM EDT
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Very cool.
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:02:57 PM EDT
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Looks like a huge waste of time and resources.
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:04:29 PM EDT
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Cool I was taking pictures of a couple at one of the Penn State Games I was at but I had a point and shoot camera so there were just pixels
ETA: I see a OBR around 37 seconds into the second video http://s17.postimage.org/ws9toy7gv/P1120760.jpg http://s17.postimage.org/hyv646zpr/P1120756.jpg I dont think at Penn State they call them snipers. I believe they are "shower lookouts". |
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:09:59 PM EDT
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The last boy scout?
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:12:17 PM EDT
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Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Train as you fight, fight as you train. |
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:17:32 PM EDT
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Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? |
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:25:43 PM EDT
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Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? 80,000 innocent bystanders in the way. |
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:30:16 PM EDT
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Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. I disagree. LEOs should at the very least brainstorm for as many possible scenarios as possible in the locations they operate. It would be irresponsible to NOT prepare for this scenario. It would be stupid in a place like my home, Reno, NV, where we have no mega-stadiums. |
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:39:09 PM EDT
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reminds me of... . These days, the plot in the book doesn't sound so outrageous. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 2:46:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:26:38 AM EDT
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this is what i thought of when i read the thread title. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:40:00 AM EDT
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Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? 80,000 innocent bystanders in the way. so they better be trained. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:45:08 AM EDT
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Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? 80,000 innocent bystanders in the way. so they better be trained. Yep....a lot could go wrong, and they better be well trained and bring their "A" game. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:45:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Actually, there's probably only maybe one or two in the way. Unless all 80,000 just happened to line up in front of the bad guy.Quoted: Quoted: Looks like a huge waste of time and resources. Why? 80,000 innocent bystanders in the way. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:47:34 AM EDT
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Nice.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:51:40 AM EDT
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So are the sniper rifle crew served weapons now? Who carries that monster tripod?
I didn't see it in the video, but I hope/assume they practice some without those supports. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 4:21:06 AM EDT
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He's wearing a shemagh!
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Posted: 1/2/2012 4:23:24 AM EDT
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I'll bet the echo sounds pretty cool.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 4:45:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2012 4:54:01 AM EDT
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Good shit. Worthwhile training as well....
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Posted: 1/2/2012 4:56:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:09:34 AM EDT
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Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:13:19 AM EDT
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this is what i thought of when i read the thread title. Yep. 
(TMW was actually the first "R" rated movie that I saw in the theater.) |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:18:43 AM EDT
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Look at the chart, the distance changes depending on the angle of the shot. At 50 yards with a 50 degree angle, the distance is 32. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:19:49 AM EDT
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I watched the first vid. I am all for training and general brainstorming as to "what would we do if X happened" but I think they were showing off for the camera
Landing in the parking lot with a helio? When any event is going on is there any space to do that? Looks to me like the SWAT guys wanted to play with the copter more than any kind of training Rideing on the running board of the SWAT van? Seems like a good way to be cut off at the knees by a cab in NYC or any other big city Training=good Doing silly stuff to look hot for the camera guy =stupid waste of time that could get folks killed when the chips are down |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:20:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:21:36 AM EDT
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math... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=175018 take your yardage and find your angle of elevation and then multiple THAT by the cosine. So 654yds is, for instance, a 15.25 MOA adjustment, 94% of 15.25 would be a 14.5MOA adjustment. 614yds would have given you more like a 13.5MOA adjustment. also http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexplained/article1.html |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:22:39 AM EDT
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Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:24:21 AM EDT
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Is this how they keep the basketball players inline?
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:31:12 AM EDT
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Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ I don't think it would be that hard to get a gun into one if you really wanted too. Lots of moving parts in a stadium and a lot of places where you could sneak it in. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:41:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? ARFCOM volunteers |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:42:28 AM EDT
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Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ I don't think it would be that hard to get a gun into one if you really wanted too. Lots of moving parts in a stadium and a lot of places where you could sneak it in. Done it before - last year in fact (was a CCW friend in our group, actually). They had pat-downs, so all you have to do is relocate your carry piece to appendix or groin carry to get in the gate. Not looking like a thug helps quite a bit. It was a long walk back to the car in a bad neighborhood, so personal protection trumps silly laws IMHO. Had they had a check box or somewhere to lock it up, we would have done that... But it still doesn't take away the logistics of finding and taking down a shooter / terrorist in a stadium of 80,000 screaming, running, erratically moving people with children. What's the range these guys would typically shoot at? 250-350+ yards from their perch? What's the accuracy of their rifles and ammo, 3/4 MOA realistically? So even if the shooter is perfect, you still have an error of 2-3 inches on a moving target at a steep angle with wind 300 yards away while trying to take a shoulder/head shot? I hope there are no hostages.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:46:34 AM EDT
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Let's just hope Horiuchi isn't one of those "trained" snipers.
Are these guys at stadiums when political action figures are present,or is an every game type of thing ? |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:48:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: math... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=175018 take your yardage and find your angle of elevation and then multiple THAT by the cosine. So 654yds is, for instance, a 15.25 MOA adjustment, 94% of 15.25 would be a 14.5MOA adjustment. 614yds would have given you more like a 13.5MOA adjustment. also http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexplained/article1.html Thanks. Always wondered how that works. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:51:34 AM EDT
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I watched the first vid. I am all for training and general brainstorming as to "what would we do if X happened" but I think they were showing off for the camera Landing in the parking lot with a helio? When any event is going on is there any space to do that? Looks to me like the SWAT guys wanted to play with the copter more than any kind of training Rideing on the running board of the SWAT van? Seems like a good way to be cut off at the knees by a cab in NYC or any other big city Training=good Doing silly stuff to look hot for the camera guy =stupid waste of time that could get folks killed when the chips are down Yeah a famous training group doesn't have a training program around ariel deployments. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:52:28 AM EDT
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also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? Pretty sure they are mostly LE but the .mil sends their guys all the time to LE training events. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:53:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? Pretty sure they are mostly LE but the .mil sends their guys all the time to LE training events. I was thinking FBI maybe? |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:59:45 AM EDT
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also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? Pretty sure they are mostly LE but the .mil sends their guys all the time to LE training events. I was thinking FBI maybe? That was a Texas Tactical Officers Assoc training event so I would guess it does not involve the FBI. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:04:04 AM EDT
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Are there any regular large-attendance sporting events in Israel?
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:04:14 AM EDT
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Let's just hope Horiuchi isn't one of those "trained" snipers. Are these guys at stadiums when political action figures are present,or is an every game type of thing ? I know at Dolphin Stadium they are available (on the premises) at every event. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:05:12 AM EDT
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I could have used one of those guys to quiet the belligerent asshole sitting next to me at the last football game I attended.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:08:14 AM EDT
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math... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=175018 take your yardage and find your angle of elevation and then multiple THAT by the cosine. So 654yds is, for instance, a 15.25 MOA adjustment, 94% of 15.25 would be a 14.5MOA adjustment. 614yds would have given you more like a 13.5MOA adjustment. also http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexplained/article1.html Thanks. Always wondered how that works. Those distances are pretty long, In a stadium most of the higher angle shots are going to be pretty close (more like 100-150 yards) Any of the shots clear across the stadium(200yds +) are going to be a flatter angle |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:10:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? Pretty sure they are mostly LE but the .mil sends their guys all the time to LE training events. I was thinking FBI maybe? That was a Texas Tactical Officers Assoc training event so I would guess it does not involve the FBI. Going up those stairs and being told , lets go by the instructors. Set up take the shot....... Breath control is something I wouldn't be able to do . It's a good training for these guys. |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:13:50 AM EDT
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Screw that. Too damn cold sitting way up there in the winter.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:15:55 AM EDT
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Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ I don't think it would be that hard to get a gun into one if you really wanted too. Lots of moving parts in a stadium and a lot of places where you could sneak it in. A couple of years ago a prankster distributed a couple thousand LED widgets that were supposed to spell out something rude at a major college stadium, all it took was a deliveryman uniform and a clipboard and he waltzed right through the service entrance. Correction: 2007 Super Bowl |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:19:01 AM EDT
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I thought it was pretty cool until they mounted their rifles in those tripod mounts......
Would have been better to use field expedient expedient means. 
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:23:15 AM EDT
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also, that fucking AR10 gives me wood. +1 Also, are these LEO and .mil snipers? ARFCOM volunteers Unpossible..that is out in the sunlight...... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/2/2012 6:23:21 AM EDT
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Why train for a situation that can't possible happen. Everyone knows the staduim is a gun free zone.
-Deke Exactly. Unless of course, the TSA style security is just for show................ I don't think it would be that hard to get a gun into one if you really wanted too. Lots of moving parts in a stadium and a lot of places where you could sneak it in. I (allegedly.) snuck multiple flasks into a college football game this year. (Hypothetically) (Other words to ensure I didn't admit to breaking a law) |
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