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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:47:35 AM EDT
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Last time I drove through ND, I got caught up in a "Special Weapons" move. The boys were serious. Armored vehicle escorts, with M240s pointed up and down the road at intersections. I knew something was up when I saw the Blue Huey doing circles like it was doing convoy security a few miles away. Then I popped over a hill and had security people all over me on the road. I flashed them my Mil ID and said "get it done, I'll sit right here"
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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:50:11 AM EDT
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... some serious WoW with the guys over at the enemy silos? Plausible...since all the normal camping spots would be open.  PVP or PVE? 
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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:53:02 AM EDT
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I thought they would crack out the board games.
Nothing takes the edge off the imminent arrival of the end of the world like a nice friendly game of Parcheesi. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:55:17 AM EDT
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So are the targets for each missile pre-set, or can they be programmed on the fly? If they're pre-set, do the key-turners know who's day they'll ruin if they turn the key?
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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:56:47 AM EDT
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I've suggested before that the capsule should have a safe (that only the enable code opens) containing a 30-year old bottle of Scotch and two cigars. 
The General was not amused.  lol....what a shame. There's a few stars I've met that would fully support that suggestion. His stated concern was that crewmembers would spend all alert, every alert, trying to figure out the safe combo. "Crewmembers are bad enough at destroying crap without any real incentive; I'm not going to give them one." He was a good guy, I did say it at an inappropriate time, I'm pretty sure he was really laughing on the inside. I hope. LOL.....he's got a point there...I worked at a CFP/Help Desk that used to handle the missile MOC duties. We got a lot of calls for broken crap in the MAFs/silos. Lots of bitches about broken TVs, my computer/radio/other device stopped working. Mind you, the guys in the capsule weren't nearly as bad as the cops up top. lol...our VIIDS guys used to curse up a storm when some SP thought it a good idea to buttstroke a sensor to "test" it. As the saying goes...put two SPs in a room with two metal balls.... one ball will be missing, one will be pregnant.
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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:57:34 AM EDT
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So are the targets for each missile pre-set, or can they be programmed on the fly? If they're pre-set, do the key-turners know who's day they'll ruin if they turn the key? Key turners are mindless drones 
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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:58:19 AM EDT
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fill out paperwork. Rounds issued, rounds expended, account for each empty silo, you know - important stuff. Policing up the empty cases is the hardest part. How does that work? 
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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:58:51 AM EDT
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snip Aw shucks, sir, you're going to make me blush. My deputies and I agreed that had we ever emptied all the holes and we knew we had incoming, we'd go grab some of the Fatboys out of the freezer topside, pull up a chair, and watch the fireworks. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 11:59:29 AM EDT
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They start contemplating on what kills them first; radiation sickness or starvation. The same goes for submarine crews. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:00:45 PM EDT
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They start contemplating on what kills them first; radiation sickness or starvation. The same goes for submarine crews. Why would a sub crew have to worry about radiation sickness? |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:00:52 PM EDT
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They start contemplating on what kills them first; radiation sickness or starvation. The same goes for submarine crews. Won't be starvation. The MRE supply down there will outlast any oxygen you have or produce (there is an oxygen regeneration unit down there).
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:05:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:05:49 PM EDT
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So are the targets for each missile pre-set, or can they be programmed on the fly? If they're pre-set, do the key-turners know who's day they'll ruin if they turn the key? They are programmable, but it's an in-depth process. That was the concept when the REACT (Rapid Execution and Combat Targeting) upgrade was installed. Yes, you know where they're going. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:08:34 PM EDT
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So are the targets for each missile pre-set, or can they be programmed on the fly? If they're pre-set, do the key-turners know who's day they'll ruin if they turn the key? They are programmable, but it's an in-depth process. That was the concept when the REACT (Rapid Execution and Combat Targeting) upgrade was installed. Yes, you know where they're going. I bet it'd be pretty cool to take a vacation to see each of your targets! (sans nuking of course)
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:09:32 PM EDT
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Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that.
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:10:11 PM EDT
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So are the targets for each missile pre-set, or can they be programmed on the fly? If they're pre-set, do the key-turners know who's day they'll ruin if they turn the key? They are programmable, but it's an in-depth process. That was the concept when the REACT (Rapid Execution and Combat Targeting) upgrade was installed. Yes, you know where they're going. I bet it'd be pretty cool to take a vacation to see each of your targets! (sans nuking of course)That thought had occurred to me too. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:12:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:13:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Realistically....if I had just killed a million or so human beings.....I'd probly eat my sidearm.  One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:15:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Realistically....if I had just killed a million or so human beings.....I'd probly eat my sidearm. One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. They are the enemy. They'd do the same to me. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:24:11 PM EDT
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A few questions: What's with all the talk about getting the fuck out of there after launch? Are the bunkers not capable of surviving a strike? A 1-megaton ground burst will scoop out a crater about 1K yards across and deep enough that an aircraft carrier can drop in end-up. The capsule's about 100 feet long and 40 across. Do the math. Also, is it easy to detect where the launch came from...aside from the giant smoke trail? Would they be leaving for fear of counter strike, or because they know they're on the list of targets?
A bigger concern is the fact that the facilities have been in place since 1962. Adversaries have had plenty of time to get the exact coordinates. We'd be leaving because the site is non-operational ( either out of power/air/food/water, or as radioactive debris pushed by the blast front). Also, how long does it take for an ICBM to deliver a warhead to target?
Lastly, are all of our existing ICBM's single re-entry vehicles/single warheads? Or do we have multiple warhead delivery capability with one ICBM? I think I remember reading that MIRVs were no longer used. Why?
Minuteman has been de-MIRVd. MIRVs are actually destabilizing––the calculus works out to where an adversary is encouraged to launch first so he can catch the single booster on the ground before launch, instead of trying to defend against multiple RVs coming in at warp 8. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:28:13 PM EDT
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So the big door is kind of just window-dressing then?
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:30:32 PM EDT
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Minuteman has been de-MIRVd. MIRVs are actually destabilizing––the calculus works out to where an adversary is encouraged to launch first so he can catch the single booster on the ground before launch, instead of trying to defend against multiple RVs coming in at warp 8. Very interesting, but I can see where that would make much more sense when we have treaties limiting the # of deployable weapons. On the other hand the SLBMs still have multiple warheads - they don't put as many on the D5s no as they did when they were first introduced to the fleet. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:32:57 PM EDT
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Minuteman has been de-MIRVd. MIRVs are actually destabilizing––the calculus works out to where an adversary is encouraged to launch first so he can catch the single booster on the ground before launch, instead of trying to defend against multiple RVs coming in at warp 8. Very interesting, but I can see where that would make much more sense when we have treaties limiting the # of deployable weapons. On the other hand the SLBMs still have multiple warheads - they don't put as many on the D5s no as they did when they were first introduced to the fleet. I'd guess that subs are more of an all or nothing proposition. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:35:11 PM EDT
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Minuteman has been de-MIRVd. MIRVs are actually destabilizing––the calculus works out to where an adversary is encouraged to launch first so he can catch the single booster on the ground before launch, instead of trying to defend against multiple RVs coming in at warp 8. Very interesting, but I can see where that would make much more sense when we have treaties limiting the # of deployable weapons. On the other hand the SLBMs still have multiple warheads - they don't put as many on the D5s no as they did when they were first introduced to the fleet. I'd guess that subs are more of an all or nothing proposition. Yep, subs have always been considered the survivable second-strike option. Primary role is retaliatory, and you have to pack a big enough punch on each boat to actually mean something. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:36:34 PM EDT
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What are the rules about graffiti on the payload?
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:36:53 PM EDT
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This thread rocks.
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:37:08 PM EDT
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My first military assignment was in missile security at FE Warren AFB. There is a 98.2% chance of not getting any hookers or blow at these silos. Most are located multiple miles from any real town (Sorry Sidney Nebraska and Greely Colorado). When I got my orders to FE Warren, my Instructor was kidding with me and two other guys that got orders there too. He said it was agreat base, there was a girl behind every tree. When we got there we found that in was in the plains, trees were rarer than womenz
On a serious note when I was stationed there in the mid 80's, the security and maintenance guys at least didnt have any plans or training in what to due after a launch. We secured 200 missile sites and 20 launch control facilities off base. What went without saying was if we launched our missiles, we would probably be receiving incoming missiles (at least 1 per site more if the soviets had targeted our sites with some redundancy). We just didnt expect to survive. If we launched and didnt get any return missiles, we would await orders. More than likely we would be dead. There was some talk of getting in vehicles and un-assining the area PDQ, but reality you wouldnt escape the impacts or survive fallout from the incoming strikes.   
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:40:21 PM EDT
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So, too much grab-assing and card playing by the Air Force people lost us the war??
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:43:25 PM EDT
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They wait for the base to bring them a re-load and once it's in place they will wait for orders to fire it. They'll continue to do that as long as the missles hold out and they're able to continue to strike the enemy. When you're in combat and your weapon is empty, you re-load. Same thing with the missile crews. You have to be joking. I spent 21 years in the USAF and I know what I'm talking about. I've even participated in practice exercises. As long as they are able to keep firing at the enemy, they do so. They stay in business until the missile supply is exhausted or an enemy missile takes them out. It can take less than a day to reload a silo, depending on the distance from the storage facility. Missiles are delivered out in convoys to each missile site along with the maintenance/weapons teams to load, arm and fuel the silo. Crews are then given new launch orders that may require an immediate launch or they might be placed on alert status for a later launch. They don't just give up and quit after the first launch, they have a war to fight. And don't think that just because we have a nuclear exchange that it will mean the end of the world. Chances are it will be limited exchanges at selected targets on both sides. Nevermind, this is GD; it's just not worth it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:44:33 PM EDT
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What are the rules about graffiti on the payload? You just know that every ICBM nose cone has something like "Say Cheese" or "Canned Sunshine" or a crude drawing of a penis on it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:46:14 PM EDT
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What are the rules about graffiti on the payload? You just know that every ICBM nose cone has something like "Say Cheese" or "Canned Sunshine" or a crude drawing of a penis on it. That made me LOL. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:49:09 PM EDT
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So the missiles have unlocks––an enable code that arms them before launching. (Think single-action pistol––the enable code cocks the hammer, the keyturn pulls the trigger.) I've suggested before that the capsule should have a safe (that only the enable code opens) containing a 30-year old bottle of Scotch and two cigars.
The General was not amused. I doubt the general will give up "his" scotch to a pair of "tube jockeys". 
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Posted: 12/28/2011 12:54:06 PM EDT
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What are the rules about graffiti on the payload? You just know that every ICBM nose cone has something like "Say Cheese" or "Canned Sunshine" or a crude drawing of a penis on it. That made me LOL. The bathroom graffiti that always made me chuckle downrange was Donger the Maintenance Unicorn. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:00:31 PM EDT
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They probably have some sort of task for them. The military has always had a policy of making sure our troops never have any down time. Yeah, gotta file a report (in triplicate) and then debrief. After that, grab a mop and bucket. Clean up that rocket exhaust residue! |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:03:33 PM EDT
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Watch the movie Damnation Alley, it will explain eveything. Hey, someone else has seen that abomination of a movie. I made the mistake of checking out the movie, after reading the book. The book was OK... The movie was only loosely based on the movie, and was absolute shit. (Or at least, the 15 minutes I watched before turning it off). |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:14:13 PM EDT
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A few questions: What's with all the talk about getting the fuck out of there after launch? Are the bunkers not capable of surviving a strike? A 1-megaton ground burst will scoop out a crater about 1K yards across and deep enough that an aircraft carrier can drop in end-up. The capsule's about 100 feet long and 40 across. Do the math. Also, is it easy to detect where the launch came from...aside from the giant smoke trail? Would they be leaving for fear of counter strike, or because they know they're on the list of targets?
A bigger concern is the fact that the facilities have been in place since 1962. Adversaries have had plenty of time to get the exact coordinates. We'd be leaving because the site is non-operational ( either out of power/air/food/water, or as radioactive debris pushed by the blast front). Also, how long does it take for an ICBM to deliver a warhead to target?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2203/2224441356_e082f9a3eb.jpg Lastly, are all of our existing ICBM's single re-entry vehicles/single warheads? Or do we have multiple warhead delivery capability with one ICBM? I think I remember reading that MIRVs were no longer used. Why?
Minuteman has been de-MIRVd. MIRVs are actually destabilizing––the calculus works out to where an adversary is encouraged to launch first so he can catch the single booster on the ground before launch, instead of trying to defend against multiple RVs coming in at warp 8. The cynic in me sees ground based MIRVs as destabilizing because the soviets don't have a credible sea based second strike and are highly dependent upon road based models which don't have the throw weight required for MIRVs. survivable second strike is the ultimate stabilizer. But, again, I'm a cynic. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:17:20 PM EDT
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I know they train on how and when to launch their missile, what training do they do for after they launch the missile? Stay in the LCC for 30 days or until their food/water/air run out? Do they evac to the surface and return to their base? Drink champagne, wait for incoming impact? |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:17:31 PM EDT
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My son in law is a Missileer in the hole with Minuteman III's.....I just got off of the phone with my Daughter and he is out on alert today....I am curious as to what they would do after a launch...I am heading out there in two weeks to visit but I know he wont share much...
A good video.....
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:33:26 PM EDT
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I'd grab an M-16 and spend my last few minutes shooting the hell out of whatever was laying around.
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:36:36 PM EDT
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The first time I took my Wife to Great Falls and I pointed out some of the Golf flight silos she gave me the
 look and said "they just wouldn't leave nuclear weapons lying around the praire." She thought I was pulling her leg. It was only after pointing out several more of Golf Flights silos and on the way homeTango flight silos that she took me seriously.
One of Tango flights silos and L-X's stomping grounds.
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:45:14 PM EDT
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The first time I took my Wife to Great Falls and I pointed out some of the Golf flight silos she gave me the look and said "they just wouldn't leave nuclear weapons lying around the praire." She thought I was pulling her leg. It was only after pointing out several more of Golf Flights silos and on the way homeTango flight silos that she took me seriously.
One of Tango flights silos and L-X's stomping grounds.
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=33490 That's hilarious! |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:48:10 PM EDT
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What are the rules about graffiti on the payload? You just know that every ICBM nose cone has something like "Say Cheese" or "Canned Sunshine" or a crude drawing of a penis on it. That made me LOL. The bathroom graffiti that always made me chuckle downrange was Donger the Maintenance Unicorn. Pics? |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:49:05 PM EDT
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The first time I took my Wife to Great Falls and I pointed out some of the Golf flight silos she gave me the look and said "they just wouldn't leave nuclear weapons lying around the praire." She thought I was pulling her leg. It was only after pointing out several more of Golf Flights silos and on the way homeTango flight silos that she took me seriously.
One of Tango flights silos and L-X's stomping grounds.
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=33490 That's hilarious! If I didn't know how humorless the Security guys are I would have told her to go rattle the fence.
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:50:17 PM EDT
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They first have to escape from the launch control bunker. Then get the Command Land Cruiser. Fight some giant mutant scorpions. And then find some hot survivor babes to rebuild civilization. Is post-launch SOP. 
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:57:46 PM EDT
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The first time I took my Wife to Great Falls and I pointed out some of the Golf flight silos she gave me the look and said "they just wouldn't leave nuclear weapons lying around the praire." She thought I was pulling her leg. It was only after pointing out several more of Golf Flights silos and on the way homeTango flight silos that she took me seriously.
One of Tango flights silos and L-X's stomping grounds.
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=33490 My favorite is I-10. Literally on the off-ramp from I-15 northbound to Hwy 89 at Vaughn. We'd drive past, I'd say, "And there's one now," and everyone would be looking for this big thing sticking out of the ground. Nope.
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Posted: 12/28/2011 2:03:15 PM EDT
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The first time I took my Wife to Great Falls and I pointed out some of the Golf flight silos she gave me the look and said "they just wouldn't leave nuclear weapons lying around the praire." She thought I was pulling her leg. It was only after pointing out several more of Golf Flights silos and on the way homeTango flight silos that she took me seriously.
One of Tango flights silos and L-X's stomping grounds.
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=33490 "Hotel-12 to Hotel-1, initial quarter mile assessment Hotel-8 complete. Nothing unusual, nothing hostile noted." God seeing that picture of an LF brings back memories. Any vintage 80's missile cops will remember the SSI's and the checklists for missile security. 25 years later and I cant get that checklist out of my head when I see a picture of an LF like this. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 2:12:39 PM EDT
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They wait for the base to bring them a re-load and once it's in place they will wait for orders to fire it. They'll continue to do that as long as the missles hold out and they're able to continue to strike the enemy. When you're in combat and your weapon is empty, you re-load. Same thing with the missile crews. You have to be joking. I spent 21 years in the USAF and I know what I'm talking about. I've even participated in practice exercises. As long as they are able to keep firing at the enemy, they do so. They stay in business until the missile supply is exhausted or an enemy missile takes them out. It can take less than a day to reload a silo, depending on the distance from the storage facility. Missiles are delivered out in convoys to each missile site along with the maintenance/weapons teams to load, arm and fuel the silo. Crews are then given new launch orders that may require an immediate launch or they might be placed on alert status for a later launch. They don't just give up and quit after the first launch, they have a war to fight. And don't think that just because we have a nuclear exchange that it will mean the end of the world. Chances are it will be limited exchanges at selected targets on both sides. Nevermind, this is GD; it's just not worth it. Awww come on...you KNOW you want to.. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 2:16:36 PM EDT
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My deputies and I agreed that had we ever emptied all the holes and we knew we had incoming, we'd go grab some of the Fatboys out of the freezer topside, pull up a chair, and watch the fireworks. Speak for yourself. You knew that had a crisis erupted, the scotch and cigars would have found their way to certain places in the launch control center well before all hell broke loose. There are tons of places to hide things down there. (LTC: "You swept the place for porn before the wing commander showed up, right?" 1LT: "Yes, sir. About a garbage bag's worth. It's in safe hands.") ...both springermania and LimaXray have signed my OPRs at different points. They know what they're talking about. |
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Posted: 12/28/2011 2:17:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2011 2:20:41 PM EDT
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Best thread I've read in a long time. To all you missileers; Thanks! Glad I was Infantry.
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