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Posted: 12/21/2011 4:48:20 PM EDT
http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16192
Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per VehicleAnalyst: 'This might be the most government-supported car since the Trabant'Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. Hohman looked at total state and federal assistance offered for the development and production of the Chevy Volt, General Motors’ plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. His analysis included 18 government deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits. The amount of government assistance does not include the fact that General Motors is currently 26 percent owned by the federal government.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 4:50:33 PM EDT
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Voting has consequences.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 4:51:57 PM EDT
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Fuck the Volt.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 4:53:34 PM EDT
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I just wired a charging system for one today.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 4:54:39 PM EDT
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That's what's nice about a command economy, no responsibility, and never having to say you're sorry. BOHICA
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Posted: 12/21/2011 4:58:43 PM EDT
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Well, it was voted "Car of the Year." Sure, it was before any were actually sold, but still...
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:01:21 PM EDT
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Well, it was voted "Car of the Year." Sure, it was before any were actually sold, but still... Kinda like someone winning the Noble Peace Prize without actually ever doing anything. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:02:20 PM EDT
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Well, it was voted "Car of the Year." Sure, it was before any were actually sold, but still... Can a car win a Nobel? eta: damn it AY. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:02:53 PM EDT
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I thought I heard GM was buying them back because they were so bad.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:04:11 PM EDT
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Well, it was voted "Car of the Year." Sure, it was before any were actually sold, but still... Can a car win a Nobel? eta: damn it AY.  
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:04:15 PM EDT
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Yeah but do you know how many votes that buys? And most of the volts havnt caught on fire
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:05:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yeah but do you know how many votes that buys? And most of the volts havnt caught on fire That's because most of the Volts are mothballed away by GE |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:09:44 PM EDT
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Well, it was voted "Car of the Year." Sure, it was before any were actually sold, but still... Kinda like someone winning the Noble Peace Prize without actually actually ever doing anything. Ahaha! Yes. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:11:14 PM EDT
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Well, it was voted "Car of the Year." Sure, it was before any were actually sold, but still... Just like a Noble Peace Prize for someone that has done nothing. ETA: damit only 10 minutes |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:16:01 PM EDT
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Yeah but do you know how many votes that buys? And most of the volts havnt caught on fire That's because most of the Volts are mothballed away by GE
wait. what? |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:17:23 PM EDT
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The environment is well worth it.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:17:28 PM EDT
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Where is GE parking them?...would love to have a picture of them all parked.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:17:59 PM EDT
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fuck. i have nothing more to say.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:18:48 PM EDT
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Where is GE parking them?...would love to have a picture of them all parked. It's not PC to photograph that........ |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:47:58 PM EDT
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I want my money back. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:52:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Where is GE parking them?...would love to have a picture of them all parked. It's not PC to photograph that........ We need to send out a APB to all members of ARFCOM....they are sitting somewhere....with Facebook and all that shit somebody knows where they are.... |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:54:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah but do you know how many votes that buys? And most of the volts havnt caught on fire That's because most of the Volts are mothballed away by GE wait. what? This was the first google result: http://www.cnbc.com/id/40132643/GM_s_Chevy_Volt_Gets_Early_Boost_From_GE Here's a newer article: http://www.dailytech.com/GM+GE+Team+Up+to+Test+Chevrolet+VoltEnergy+Smart+Grid+Communications/article22207.htm You know the GE CEO is an oblama appointee right? http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/06/jeff-immelt-ge-ceo-or-obama-advisor/ And all those EV charging stations for the Volts? You know they're coming from GE right? http://conservativedailynews.com/2011/09/gm-and-ge-get-in-bed-with-china/ |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 5:55:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Where is GE parking them?...would love to have a picture of them all parked. It's not PC to photograph that........ We need to send out a APB to all members of ARFCOM....they are sitting somewhere....with Facebook and all that shit somebody knows where they are.... Supposedly they're being leased to GE employees to drive everyday. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:00:23 PM EDT
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You guys are being deceitful by not telling the entire story!
After all, GM has only sold 6,142 Volts in 2011 as of December 1. They wanted to sell 10,000 of them but they couldn't hit their sales goal for some reason (maybe because nobody is dumb enough to pay $42k MSRP for a warmed over plug-in Honda Civic clone). Once GM starts selling more Volts to its target audience (environmentally enlightened and financially foolish), that subsidy number will be quite low on a per-unit basis. That there is some big city thinkin'. 
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:02:03 PM EDT
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Fuck the Volt and post-bailout GM. I make fix. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:11:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: You guys are being deceitful by not telling the entire story! After all, GM has only sold 6,142 Volts in 2011 as of December 1. They wanted to sell 10,000 of them but they couldn't hit their sales goal for some reason (maybe because nobody is dumb enough to pay $42k MSRP for a warmed over plug-in Honda Civic clone). Once GM starts selling more Volts to its target audience (environmentally enlightened and financially foolish), that subsidy number will be quite low on a per-unit basis. That there is some big city thinkin'. Holy shit, GE really is sittin' on all them shitboxes huh? |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:11:53 PM EDT
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Think I could persuade somebody in the government that the Ferrari I have my eye on is a hybrid and subsidize the first $250,000 of the price?
Maybe disconnect the ignition wire and move it five feet by turning the starter. "Look, it is a hybrid, gimme some Obama money from yo stash". |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:22:37 PM EDT
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GM has game changing technology.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:26:10 PM EDT
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GM and the UAW should change their symbol to the Hammer and Sickle.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:29:19 PM EDT
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Maybe they will confiscate them all like they did the EV1.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:29:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: GM has game changing losing technology. fixed |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:30:39 PM EDT
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Yeah but do you know how many votes that buys? And most of the volts havnt caught on fire That's because most of the Volts are mothballed away by GE
wait. what? This was the first google result: http://www.cnbc.com/id/40132643/GM_s_Chevy_Volt_Gets_Early_Boost_From_GE Here's a newer article: http://www.dailytech.com/GM+GE+Team+Up+to+Test+Chevrolet+VoltEnergy+Smart+Grid+Communications/article22207.htm You know the GE CEO is an oblama appointee right? http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/06/jeff-immelt-ge-ceo-or-obama-advisor/ And all those EV charging stations for the Volts? You know they're coming from GE right? http://conservativedailynews.com/2011/09/gm-and-ge-get-in-bed-with-china/ This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy 
I feel the sudden need for another beer |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:31:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy I feel the sudden need for another beer They don't even try to hide it anymore. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:35:33 PM EDT
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You fellas complain all you want, but if it wasn't for the Chevy Volt, we wouldn't have this fancy dance video: 
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:38:31 PM EDT
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Ashey kneed faggot fucking waste of fucking time
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:54:53 PM EDT
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I thought I heard GM was buying them back because they were so bad.
Not even close, they offered to buy them back if any customer had concerns over the bogus govt crash testing. Nobody is willing to give them up, they are in extreme high demand and limited production. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 6:59:11 PM EDT
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How many of the "sales" are dealers turning them over to collect the subsidy before attempting to sell as used with <5 miles on the odo?
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Posted: 12/21/2011 7:08:39 PM EDT
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I thought I heard GM was buying them back because they were so bad.
Not even close, they offered to buy them back if any customer had concerns over the bogus govt crash testing. Nobody is willing to give them up, they are in extreme high demand and limited production. Such extreme high demand that they sold about 61% (6,100-ish of 10,000) of their projections for the year?
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Posted: 12/21/2011 7:30:10 PM EDT
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You fellas complain all you want, but if it wasn't for the Chevy Volt, we wouldn't have this fancy dance video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvwTMZNWGukI think your dog crashed into a tree and my heart stopped. 
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Posted: 12/22/2011 5:55:47 AM EDT
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Yet another example of how well it works out when those who think they are smarter than everyone else insist on "redistribution" of money taken by force on "initiatives" and "investments" that are going to lead us to a bold new future of their crafting.
In the end the money is gone, the product they insisted on is awful and so unbelievably expensive that it boggles the mind. ...yet they will be undeterred, and everyone will think that they're smart, sophisticated people tomorrow despite numbers of examples like this. They're not actually smart, of course. What makes you "smart" in beltway terms is faith in the same hokey world view that liberals share. Sharing their faith...the central tenet of which is belief first and foremost in their own superiority...is all that's required to be smart. |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:07:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:09:27 AM EDT
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Well, it was voted "Car of the Year." Sure, it was before any were actually sold, but still... Kinda like someone winning the Noble Peace Prize without actually ever doing anything. Like that would ever hap, err wait. |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:10:30 AM EDT
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I just wired a charging system for one today. We've got a charging station for them at our museum of transportation. I think there's like maybe 4 Volts in the state, but hey...you never know when one will make it's way here! |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:12:23 AM EDT
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....meanwhile in South Carolina BMW just added several hundred more workers and expanded their already massive facility to make more of their X series vehicles which are apparently selling like gangbusters. Apparently they manufacture all their X series vehicles in South Carolina. This may actually make them the largest exporter of automobiles in the United States.
And they're doing it without the UAW or massive cash flow from taxpayers. Funny how that works out, isn't it? Sell cars people want and you don't need all that shit. |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:13:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: I just wired a charging system for one today. isn't it almost $2k for installed? |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:15:25 AM EDT
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I thought I heard GM was buying them back because they were so bad.
Not even close, they offered to buy them back if any customer had concerns over the bogus govt crash testing. Nobody is willing to give them up, they are in extreme high demand and limited production. Actually, closer than you make it seem. Not sure if it's still going but they offered to buyback any vehicles as there are some reports of housefires started possibly due to battery issues while charging. Heard about it on the radio a week or two ago. |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:46:46 AM EDT
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And ge paid no taxes this year hmmmm
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:55:26 AM EDT
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Maybe they will confiscate them all like they did the EV1. What a debacle that was. The EV1 was actually a decent idea, well designed and highly desireable. Who Killed the Electric Car |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 6:56:41 AM EDT
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I thought I heard GM was buying them back because they were so bad.
Not even close, they offered to buy them back if any customer had concerns over the bogus govt crash testing. Nobody is willing to give them up, they are in extreme high demand and limited production. Such extreme high demand that they sold about 61% (6,100-ish of 10,000) of their projections for the year? Plus it's being outsold by the Nissan Leaf. |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 7:10:16 AM EDT
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Can I forgo the Volt and just collect my $250K check? At least the Volts are keeping homeless warm on the streets when they melt down into fires.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 9:11:44 AM EDT
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I hate to go across the grain of Arfcom GD, but the Volt has its tempting bits too. Ok, it was more tempting before GM neutered the looks of the last Volt concept cars, but still...
Using rough numbers, I could save over $150 a month on gas. Maybe a little more if I found an open outlet at the company parking garage to top it off while I'm at work. Unlike other electrics, I don't have to be paranoid about running out of charge while on the road. On the down side, even with tax breaks it is still fairly expensive... :-( |
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