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Posted: 11/24/2011 9:51:58 AM EST
Investigators say Kenneth Payne, 73, was at Toppers Gun Range east of Wagoner when someone shot him several times and then stole whatever weapons he had. No other items were taken, including his wallet.


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Posted: 11/24/2011 9:53:35 AM EST
And yet some people wonder why I CCW at the gun club, and why my club changed its rules a few years ago specifically to allow it.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 10:08:25 AM EST
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Damn that is just crazy. But I can see it happening. That is why I stop going to the range down my way. Surrounded by trees and at least 4 to 6 feet down in the ground. I am glad that he is expected to survive his injuries.

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Posted: 11/24/2011 10:11:35 AM EST
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Posted: 11/24/2011 10:12:57 AM EST

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It is a public range. I've been there once and it is a fairly busy place.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 10:46:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By SoonerBorn:
Investigators say Kenneth Payne, 73, was at Toppers Gun Range east of Wagoner when someone shot him several times and then stole whatever weapons he had. No other items were taken, including his wallet.


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Posted: 11/24/2011 10:49:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By SoonerBorn:
Investigators say Kenneth Payne, 73, was at Toppers Gun Range east of Wagoner when someone shot him several times and then stole whatever weapons he had. No other items were taken, including his wallet.


Have to be aware at all times.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 10:58:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By SoonerBorn:

Originally Posted By Ryno622:
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It is a public range. I've been there once and it is a fairly busy place.

Probably the only reason he will survive. Someone drove up to target shoot.

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Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
Originally Posted By ipsilateral_7:


I miss red castle.....




No more Red Castle ??
It looks like he lives in PA now.

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yet another reason i don't like unstaffed public ranges.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:18:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By SoonerBorn:
Investigators say Kenneth Payne, 73, was at Toppers Gun Range east of Wagoner when someone shot him several times and then stole whatever weapons he had. No other items were taken, including his wallet.


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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:48:08 AM EST
It happened around 7:30 Thursday morning.


That dude was out bright and early on Thanksgiving day. So was the bad guy apparently. Any chance it was someone who lives nearby that was pissed they got woken up by some clown shooting at 0730?
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:49:30 AM EST

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It happened around 7:30 Thursday morning.


That dude was out bright and early on Thanksgiving day. So was the bad guy apparently. Any chance it was someone who lives nearby that was pissed they got woken up by some clown shooting at 0730?

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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:51:33 AM EST

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It happened around 7:30 Thursday morning.


That dude was out bright and early on Thanksgiving day. So was the bad guy apparently. Any chance it was someone who lives nearby that was pissed they got woken up by some clown shooting at 0730?

Live next to a range, you need to accept it's YOUR stupidity interrupting your sleep.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:59:01 AM EST

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It happened around 7:30 Thursday morning.


That dude was out bright and early on Thanksgiving day. So was the bad guy apparently. Any chance it was someone who lives nearby that was pissed they got woken up by some clown shooting at 0730?

Yeah...No. That wasn't it. And the fact that you thought of it, may well indicate sociopathic tendencies


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Posted: 11/24/2011 12:19:14 PM EST
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It happened around 7:30 Thursday morning.


That dude was out bright and early on Thanksgiving day. So was the bad guy apparently. Any chance it was someone who lives nearby that was pissed they got woken up by some clown shooting at 0730?




And what if they were? Shoot said "clown?" Steal all of his stuff?


I wasn't excusing the bad guy just wondering aloud what the chances are of a bad guy staking out a range at 7:30 AM on Thanksgiving hoping to steal someone's guns. I figure it's just as likely that some dude woke up to gunfire and said "That's it. I'm killing that bastard."
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Posted: 11/24/2011 12:48:30 PM EST
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yet another reason i don't like unstaffed public ranges.


I shoot at a club range that used to be unstaffed, but is now staffed. When it was unstaffed , if I was the only one there i would always carry when walking down range to change out targets. It was a similar wooded area as in the story.
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I'm downright paranoid about this happening at the public range I go to. I frequently go solo and I'm usually there until dark.

A couple years ago there was a guy who was murdered at a public range near Harrisburg, PA. The murderer had stolen rifles from a couple others prior to that. In this case he shot the guy while was downrange and stole his AR and suppressor. The murderer/thief was a local prison guard.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 1:13:25 PM EST
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I always CCW when I shoot alone ....
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I always CCW, and If I am shooting alone, will sling my rifle while changing targets.

I have always done so. This evil behavior is NOT new.

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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By Lomshek:
It happened around 7:30 Thursday morning.


That dude was out bright and early on Thanksgiving day. So was the bad guy apparently. Any chance it was someone who lives nearby that was pissed they got woken up by some clown shooting at 0730?

Live next to a range, you need to accept it's YOUR stupidity interrupting your sleep.


Not at 7:30AM. County should have a Peace Ordinance that enforces quiet at least from midnight to eight AM at a minimum. Course at 7:30, he could have been setting-up.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 1:17:09 PM EST
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It happened around 7:30 Thursday morning.


That dude was out bright and early on Thanksgiving day. So was the bad guy apparently. Any chance it was someone who lives nearby that was pissed they got woken up by some clown shooting at 0730?


Didn't read the story did you?

He was leaving the range when he was shot, so he started earlier. Like he did EVERY DAY.
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I'm downright paranoid about this happening at the public range I go to. I frequently go solo and I'm usually there until dark.

A couple years ago there was a guy who was murdered at a public range near Harrisburg, PA. The murderer had stolen rifles from a couple others prior to that. In this case he shot the guy while was downrange and stole his AR and suppressor. The murderer/thief was a local prison guard.


I recall that case, but I'd never heard they caught the bastard.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 1:38:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm downright paranoid about this happening at the public range I go to. I frequently go solo and I'm usually there until dark.

A couple years ago there was a guy who was murdered at a public range near Harrisburg, PA. The murderer had stolen rifles from a couple others prior to that. In this case he shot the guy while was downrange and stole his AR and suppressor. The murderer/thief was a local prison guard.


I recall that case, but I'd never heard they caught the bastard.


Yep, they did.

IIRC, he had a friend who knew about it also. I don't think he was there, but he knew he was stealing guns from the range. It might have even been his storage locker they were putting them in, I don't remember.
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Originally Posted By PA452:
Originally Posted By ipsilateral_7:


Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm downright paranoid about this happening at the public range I go to. I frequently go solo and I'm usually there until dark.

A couple years ago there was a guy who was murdered at a public range near Harrisburg, PA. The murderer had stolen rifles from a couple others prior to that. In this case he shot the guy while was downrange and stole his AR and suppressor. The murderer/thief was a local prison guard.


I recall that case, but I'd never heard they caught the bastard.


Yep, they did.

IIRC, he had a friend who knew about it also. I don't think he was there, but he knew he was stealing guns from the range. It might have even been his storage locker they were putting them in, I don't remember.


That was this incident? http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_making_progress.html

I didn't find anything about it being solved. Link?

Edit: I found it! http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/showthread.php?4911-Prosecutors-May-Pursue-Death-Penalty-Against-Raymond-Peake-In-2010-PA-Slaying-of-Todd-Getgen
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Public range on public hunting land about a mile out of town.
Range tables are about 75-100yds down a trail.
USUALLY very overgrown up to the range area and not able to see the parking area.
I've been to this range many times.
The last 5 or so times I went I was stalked twice and swept with loaded guns 3 times.
Always CCW there and always carried a loaded semi- auto rifle down range with me.
Joined a private range a year ago and haven't been back.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 2:08:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By VLODPG:
Originally Posted By PA452:
Originally Posted By ipsilateral_7:


Originally Posted By PA452:
I'm downright paranoid about this happening at the public range I go to. I frequently go solo and I'm usually there until dark.

A couple years ago there was a guy who was murdered at a public range near Harrisburg, PA. The murderer had stolen rifles from a couple others prior to that. In this case he shot the guy while was downrange and stole his AR and suppressor. The murderer/thief was a local prison guard.


I recall that case, but I'd never heard they caught the bastard.


Yep, they did.

IIRC, he had a friend who knew about it also. I don't think he was there, but he knew he was stealing guns from the range. It might have even been his storage locker they were putting them in, I don't remember.


That was this incident? http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_making_progress.html

I didn't find anything about it being solved. Link?


I'll look for it. I remember too many specifics to have imagined that they caught the guy.

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wtf where was the RO?
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Posted: 11/24/2011 2:16:43 PM EST
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wtf where was the RO?


I didn't read the whole article in the OP, but there are lots of public ranges that are unsupervised. The one in PA that I mentioned above is an example of such a range.
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Public hunting land with 2 steel tables set up and a big berm at 100yds.
No range officer. Public range but since it is on public hunting land you are supposed to have a hunting license.
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