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The settlement agreement between the National Restaurant Association and a woman who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment was reached in September 1999––and was not signed by Cain himself, according to Joel Bennett, a lawyer for the woman.

Bennett, who has a copy of the settlement agreement, said four people signed it: the woman, two lawyers representing the association and Bennett himself.

Bennett said the agreement was resolved relatively quickly, about two or three months after she complained.

That means it may have been reached after Cain left the association, and Bennett said it's conceivable that Cain didn't even know about it.

Bennett also told CBS News Friday morning he is hoping to issue a public statement reaffirming the accuser's claim within hours, if the restaurant group agrees to ease the confidentiality agreement that was part of the deal.

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Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?
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Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?


Trying to keep the black man down...





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Posted: 11/4/2011 12:33:08 PM
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Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?


Because it has not been the downfall of him like they hoped.
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Originally Posted By Kitulu:
Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?

The democrats and the liberal media are scared shitless of Cain.
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Originally Posted By Kitulu:
Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?

Because Cain is in the lead. When Perry was looking strong, it was all going to be about the name of his hunting lodge, if Newt pulled ahead it would be his marriage problems.

It's as simple as that. Tear down the viable Republican.
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Posted: 11/4/2011 12:40:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Kitulu:
Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?

The democrats and the liberal media are scared shitless of Cain.


This. Strong, Conservative and Black? Same thing they tried to do to Clarence Thomas.
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Posted: 11/4/2011 12:41:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Kitulu:
Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?

Because Cain is in the lead. When Perry was looking strong, it was all going to be about the name of his hunting lodge, if Newt pulled ahead it would be his marriage problems.

It's as simple as that. Tear down the viable Republican.


and the fact that cain is the only real threat to the establishment...... the left have wet dreams of romney, newt is a rino, perry is a putz, and they know ron paul is such a disillusioned wack job he will take care of himself.
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This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.
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Posted: 11/4/2011 1:01:53 PM
Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions"
Yeesh.


Did he use a condom, or was it just a mental uncomfortable?
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Posted: 11/4/2011 1:08:27 PM
Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


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Posted: 11/4/2011 1:13:02 PM
Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


I would like to recycle this on certain people at later times.
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Posted: 11/4/2011 1:14:41 PM
Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


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Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


Well said. It's stunning when you just take a few steps back and (try to) take it all in.
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Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


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Originally Posted By WayneD:

Originally Posted By Kitulu:
Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?

The democrats and the liberal media are scared shitless of Cain.


I hope so. I sorta had my choice going towards Perry. Cain will work fine. But no way, no way will I pull the lever for Romney.

The leftwing media is going to push their choice, Romney, just like they did with McCain. They figure he is a statist liberal, somebody they know will reach across the aisle, or, whom they think Obama may beat due to disaffected/disenfranchised conservatives not voting. Either way, they win.
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Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


What the fuck dude? You might want to watch where you throw logic around. Somebody could get hurt, namely the President. Do you want Secret Service to have a chat with you?
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A woman here where I work filed a sexual harassment complaint against one of our engineers.

The claim was he passed gas while talking to another engineer, in that engineer's cubicle.

Point is, anyone can claim anything they want.

This case was dismissed.

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Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


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Cain left the association June 30, 1999, according to the NRA. Under that timeline, Cain would have been gone when the settlement was reached––and may well have been gone when she filed the complaint.

Cain has insisted he only knew of one complaint, and says he knew of no legal settlements––only what he calls a severance agreement with one woman. This timeline could well bolster his claims.


You don't say. It must have pained them to write that.

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Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


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Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.

Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.
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KeithC summed it up perfectly. If you're a conservative, and waffling on Cain because of this, please un-fuck yourself and look at the bigger picture.

At the end of the day, even if this is true and he did make a couple women "uncomfortable", who gives a fuck?
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Oh no! A man liked pussy 12+ years ago.

He can no longer be president
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1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.


Lots of frivolous sexual harassment claims get a payoff. Litigation is expensive, and sexual harassment claims are usually he said, she said, so there is little chance of getting rid of them before trial. The amount in question here is not that significant and does not in and of itself indicate any kind of seriousness to the allegations.
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A woman here where I work filed a sexual harassment complaint against one of our engineers.

The claim was he passed gas while talking to another engineer, in that engineer's cubicle.

Point is, anyone can claim anything they want.

This case was dismissed.





How the fuck is farting related to sex? She probably just wanted to embarrass the shit out of the guy and cause a lot of trouble for him. Some people are pathetic.
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1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.


Companies pay to make frivolous claims go away all the time.

It often ends up being a simple cost issue. If the cost of the payoff looks like it will be less than the legal bills of taking it to court, often they say fuck it and pay to make it go away.

If it was a $250,000 payoff, I would be more inclined to agree with you. But the $$$ we are seeing here is so low that I could easily see them seeing the low payout as simply the cheaper way out. Because even if you win in court often the cost is well above that in legal fees.
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.

Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Sorry M_S, but anyone who gets a payout will be required to sign an NDA. Why would you pay someone out and then tell them it's ok to go running their suck about the suit?

Keep in mind, the payout is not an admission of guit, it's just cheeper than paying to go to court.

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Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.

Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Sorry M_S, but anyone who gets a payout will be required to sign an NDA. Why would you pay someone out and then tell them it's ok to go running their suck about the suit?

Keep in mind, the payout is not an admission of guit, it's just cheeper than paying to go to court.



Pretty much this. You did not think it through Mr Steve.
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KeithC summed it up perfectly. If you're a conservative, and waffling on Cain because of this, please un-fuck yourself and look at the bigger picture.

At the end of the day, even if this is true and he did make a couple women "uncomfortable", who gives a fuck?



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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.

Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Sorry M_S, but anyone who gets a payout will be required to sign an NDA. Why would you pay someone out and then tell them it's ok to go running their suck about the suit?

Keep in mind, the payout is not an admission of guit, it's just cheeper than paying to go to court.



Pretty much this. You did not think it through Mr Steve.

And I would say that you guys are the ones not thinking this through.

There are a lot of weird things going on here. He knew this would be an issue with his Senate campaign, but now all of the sudden he doesn't know who accused him of what? He was accused of sexual harassment when he was the Chairman of the National Restaurant Association, but doesn't know the details of the accusations, wasn't a party to the non-disclosure agreement and didn't know about the payout? He was saying last week before any of this came out that he was ready for a lynching and now he's floundering on this issue? He tried to play the race card, he tried to blame Rick Perry, then apologized to Rick Perry, and now he doesn't know anything about this? Now he's thinking about suing over this? There's something rotten in Denmark.

Anyway, it sounds like we might get the details. The NRA is saying they may lift the gag order and let these women speak up.

I'd also like to remind you all that about this time back in 2008 Arfcom went absolutely gaga over the flavor of the month for that election cycle. That guy jumped in the race, said all the right conservative things, shot to the top of all the polls and then when the primaries came around he was instantly in last place. My point: You guys jump in head first a lot in elections. There have been others. I remember how excited this site was over Scott Brown, and how vigorously many around here defended that chick from NY who had the NRA A rating and took Hillary's seat in the Senate. I knew all three of Arfcom's favorite candidates (Thompson, Brown and Gillibrand) would be duds and I was viciously condemned by Arfcom for saying so. I'm not the one with a track record of not thinking things through.
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Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?


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This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


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Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?


Duh!

It goes to his character.

We've already had a president who couldn't keep his pants on and after he got elected we had two sex scandals while that guy was in office and an impeachment that resulted from lies he told while being sued over a sex scandal. We also had 8 years of special prosecutors over secret land deals and a "Wag the Dog" incident. I don't want to go through another Clinton Administration.

On top of that, our current President has all kinds of sealed records, secret associations and unknown variables. It has led to conspiracy theories, allegations of terrorist associations and questions about his citizenship and loyalties. I don't want to go through another Obama Administration either.

The need to know everything in a candidates past is critical. Bush had a drunk driving arrest and a history of cocaine use. The voters chose to give him a pass on both, but at least there weren't any surprises during his administration (at least there weren't any ugly skeletons that came out after he was elected). Could be that the same will happen with Herman Cain, but we need the facts BEFORE we elect him, not after.


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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Alien:
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.

Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Sorry M_S, but anyone who gets a payout will be required to sign an NDA. Why would you pay someone out and then tell them it's ok to go running their suck about the suit?

Keep in mind, the payout is not an admission of guit, it's just cheeper than paying to go to court.



Pretty much this. You did not think it through Mr Steve.

And I would say that you guys are the ones not thinking this through.

There are a lot of weird things going on here. He knew this would be an issue with his Senate campaign, but now all of the sudden he doesn't know who accused him of what? He was accused of sexual harassment when he was the Chairman of the National Restaurant Association, but doesn't know the details of the accusations, wasn't a party to the non-disclosure agreement and didn't know about the payout? He was saying last week before any of this came out that he was ready for a lynching and now he's floundering on this issue? He tried to play the race card, he tried to blame Rick Perry, then apologized to Rick Perry, and now he doesn't know anything about this? Now he's thinking about suing over this? There's something rotten in Denmark.

Anyway, it sounds like we might get the details. The NRA is saying they may lift the gag order and let these women speak up.

I'd also like to remind you all that about this time back in 2008 Arfcom went absolutely gaga over the flavor of the month for that election cycle. That guy jumped in the race, said all the right conservative things, shot to the top of all the polls and then when the primaries came around he was instantly in last place. My point: You guys jump in head first a lot in elections. There have been others. I remember how excited this site was over Scott Brown, and how vigorously many around here defended that chick from NY who had the NRA A rating and took Hillary's seat in the Senate. I knew all three of Arfcom's favorite candidates (Thompson, Brown and Gillibrand) would be duds and I was viciously condemned by Arfcom for saying so. I'm not the one with a track record of not thinking things through.


Folks are not duped into believing that a pay-off to make something go away is a admission of guilt anymore. That is why even with all you speculate Cain is still going up in the polls.

Who is that you support again?

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Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Okay, two things backatcha . First off, you obviously don't know me as evidenced by the fact that I'm not going apeshit. My religious affiliation is "Devout Apathist", my voter card lists me registered with the "Jaded Pragmatist and Rampant Capitalist Party" and I'll take espresso or a decent single-malt of Kool-Aid any day. Can't and won't speak for anyone else on the board. My point was that, unless he committed forcible rape, nothing Cain has done comes close to what our Hater-in-Chief has perpetrated in his short term in office. The accusation of "sexual harassment" now covers so much that it borders on meaningless, much like cries of "racism" (or "conservative", for that matter). Hell, your use of the word "broad", if used where a coworker can hear and/or read it, could actually qualify you as a "sexual harasser" if it makes her "feel uncomfortable". And, as others have said, payouts are sometimes easier and cheaper than taking things to trial. My point wasn't that he didn't do it, my point was that I don't care.

Secondly, I agree... in theory. But we are taking on water and going down fast. We don't have time for someone without skeletons. We need someone who will have the stones to say - and back up with action - "America, I'm going to stop spending your money and will concentrate on clearing the wreckage and roadblocks from the path to financial success. That means that a lot of you are going to have to fend for yourselves and get used to it. If you fall off the wagon, we won't back up and run you over but we can't stop for you either. If you can't keep up, we can't wait for you. Good luck and God bless." I want someone who will listen to a fellow legislator say "We must agree to make something the binding law of the land even though no one knows what that really entails or includes" and respond immediately with a live-televised visit to their office to ask, "Did you have a stroke or something? WTF is wrong with you, spewing that nonsense!! It is our obligation to understand fully the laws we inflict upon the people we are charged with representing!" When we're a financially sound nation of people and businesses that rise and fall on their own merits, hustling and/or dumb luck instead of handouts extorted or stolen from fellow citizens, then I'll start shopping for better angels of our political nature. Until then, give me someone who calls bullshit when he smells it, believes in the Constitution and knows how to turn a buck.

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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Alien:
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.

Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Sorry M_S, but anyone who gets a payout will be required to sign an NDA. Why would you pay someone out and then tell them it's ok to go running their suck about the suit?

Keep in mind, the payout is not an admission of guit, it's just cheeper than paying to go to court.



Pretty much this. You did not think it through Mr Steve.

And I would say that you guys are the ones not thinking this through.

There are a lot of weird things going on here. He knew this would be an issue with his Senate campaign, but now all of the sudden he doesn't know who accused him of what? He was accused of sexual harassment when he was the Chairman of the National Restaurant Association, but doesn't know the details of the accusations, wasn't a party to the non-disclosure agreement and didn't know about the payout? He was saying last week before any of this came out that he was ready for a lynching and now he's floundering on this issue? He tried to play the race card, he tried to blame Rick Perry, then apologized to Rick Perry, and now he doesn't know anything about this? Now he's thinking about suing over this? There's something rotten in Denmark.

Anyway, it sounds like we might get the details. The NRA is saying they may lift the gag order and let these women speak up.

I'd also like to remind you all that about this time back in 2008 Arfcom went absolutely gaga over the flavor of the month for that election cycle. That guy jumped in the race, said all the right conservative things, shot to the top of all the polls and then when the primaries came around he was instantly in last place. My point: You guys jump in head first a lot in elections. There have been others. I remember how excited this site was over Scott Brown, and how vigorously many around here defended that chick from NY who had the NRA A rating and took Hillary's seat in the Senate. I knew all three of Arfcom's favorite candidates (Thompson, Brown and Gillibrand) would be duds and I was viciously condemned by Arfcom for saying so. I'm not the one with a track record of not thinking things through.


Folks are not duped into believing that a pay-off to make something go away is a admission of guilt anymore. That is why even with all you speculate Cain is still going up in the polls.

Who is that you support again?


1. Then let's get the facts. That's all I'm asking for. I want to know what the details of this incident are. Frankly, I'm surprised that no one else wants to know what the details are before giving him a pass on this issue.

2. I'm behind Rick Perry, but as I've said many times I won't be upset if Herman Cain gets the nomination. All I want is to know the details of this incident. As a voter, I am entitled to know about his dirty laundry in order to make an informed decision about whether or not he has the character to lead this nation. If there are sexual harassment allegations in Rick Perry's past then I want to know about those too. As of yet however, no one has made any such accusations against Rick Perry.
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Okay, two things backatcha . First off, you obviously don't know me as evidenced by the fact that I'm not going apeshit. My religious affiliation is "Devout Apathist", my voter card lists me registered with the "Jaded Pragmatist and Rampant Capitalist Party" and I'll take espresso or a decent single-malt of Kool-Aid any day. Can't and won't speak for anyone else on the board. My point was that, unless he committed forcible rape, nothing Cain has done comes close to what our Hater-in-Chief has perpetrated in his short term in office. The accusation of "sexual harassment" now covers so much that it borders on meaningless, much like cries of "racism" (or "conservative", for that matter). Hell, your use of the word "broad", if used where a coworker can hear and/or read it, could actually qualify you as a "sexual harasser" if it makes her "feel uncomfortable". And, as others have said, payouts are sometimes easier and cheaper than taking things to trial. My point wasn't that he didn't do it, my point was that I don't care.

Secondly, I agree... in theory. But we are taking on water and going down fast. We don't have time for someone without skeletons. We need someone who will have the stones to say - and back up with action - "America, I'm going to stop spending your money and will concentrate on clearing the wreckage and roadblocks from the path to financial success. That means that a lot of you are going to have to fend for yourselves and get used to it. If you fall off the wagon, we won't back up and run you over but we can't stop for you either. If you can't keep up, we can't wait for you. Good luck and God bless." I want someone who will listen to a fellow legislator say "We must agree to make something the binding law of the land even though no one knows what that really entails or includes" and respond immediately with a live-televised visit to their office to ask, "Did you have a stroke or something? WTF is wrong with you, spewing that nonsense!! It is our obligation to understand fully the laws we inflict upon the people we are charged with representing!" When we're a financially sound nation of people and businesses that rise and fall on their own merits, hustling and/or dumb luck instead of handouts extorted or stolen from fellow citizens, then I'll start shopping for better angels of our political nature. Until then, give me someone who calls bullshit when he smells it, believes in the Constitution and knows how to turn a buck.


The part in red is your mistake. You don't know enough at this point to not care. No one does. This could be nothing, this could be a big deal. I don't know and neither do you. Bush had a DUI and a history of Cocaine use. It turns out that the voters chose to give him a pass on both, but when that DUI came out after the nomination there was justified fear on the right that it could hurt him bad. Let's find out if Herman Cain is going to end up hurting our chances of getting Obama out of office BEFORE we nominate him.

I realize that we aren't going to get someone who doesn't have any skeletons in the closet, but we need to find out what those skeletons are before we jump in behind them. I can guarantee you that people like George Soros and Larry Flint are going to be offering up cash dollars to dig up dirt on whoever the Republican nominee is and if we have unknown variables after they get the nomination then it will be too late to do anything about them. We still have choices at this point, and the bottom line is that whoever is most likely to get Obama out of the White House is our best bet. If that's Herman Cain then great, if not then we need to know now and we need to pick someone else. I don't want to find out in October of 2012 that this incident really was a big deal after all.


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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Alien:
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.

Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Sorry M_S, but anyone who gets a payout will be required to sign an NDA. Why would you pay someone out and then tell them it's ok to go running their suck about the suit?

Keep in mind, the payout is not an admission of guit, it's just cheeper than paying to go to court.



Pretty much this. You did not think it through Mr Steve.

And I would say that you guys are the ones not thinking this through.

There are a lot of weird things going on here. He knew this would be an issue with his Senate campaign, but now all of the sudden he doesn't know who accused him of what? He was accused of sexual harassment when he was the Chairman of the National Restaurant Association, but doesn't know the details of the accusations, wasn't a party to the non-disclosure agreement and didn't know about the payout? He was saying last week before any of this came out that he was ready for a lynching and now he's floundering on this issue? He tried to play the race card, he tried to blame Rick Perry, then apologized to Rick Perry, and now he doesn't know anything about this? Now he's thinking about suing over this? There's something rotten in Denmark.

Anyway, it sounds like we might get the details. The NRA is saying they may lift the gag order and let these women speak up.

I'd also like to remind you all that about this time back in 2008 Arfcom went absolutely gaga over the flavor of the month for that election cycle. That guy jumped in the race, said all the right conservative things, shot to the top of all the polls and then when the primaries came around he was instantly in last place. My point: You guys jump in head first a lot in elections. There have been others. I remember how excited this site was over Scott Brown, and how vigorously many around here defended that chick from NY who had the NRA A rating and took Hillary's seat in the Senate. I knew all three of Arfcom's favorite candidates (Thompson, Brown and Gillibrand) would be duds and I was viciously condemned by Arfcom for saying so. I'm not the one with a track record of not thinking things through.


Folks are not duped into believing that a pay-off to make something go away is a admission of guilt anymore. That is why even with all you speculate Cain is still going up in the polls.

Who is that you support again?


1. Then let's get the facts. That's all I'm asking for. I want to know what the details of this incident are. Frankly, I'm surprised that no one else wants to know what the details are before giving him a pass on this issue.

2. I'm behind Rick Perry, but as I've said many times I won't be upset if Herman Cain gets the nomination. All I want is to know the details of this incident. As a voter, I am entitled to know about his dirty laundry in order to make an informed decision about whether or not he has the character to lead this nation. If there are sexual harassment allegations in Rick Perry's past then I want to know about those too. As of yet however, no one has made any such accusations against Rick Perry.


Meh.....Do your own research and reach a decision. Me thinks your current speculation is to justify your rather poor choice in backing Perry but that is on you. IMHO unless Cain was wagging his pecker at the women in question this whole thing ain't much of a much. Time will tell.



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Originally Posted By KeithC:
This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.

Two things

1. This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.

2. Bill Clinton and Barak Obama HIGHLIGHT the need for absolute transparency in presidential candidates. We must vet Herman Cain MORE vigorously than other have been vetted, not less. We must know all the gory details of everything he's done wrong in order to prevent another Bill Clinton (with 8 years of strumpet after strumpet, and the "suicides" and secret land deals and special prosecutors) or Barack Obama (with the terrorists for friends and the sealed college records, and the mysterious birth certificates and the Kenyan nurses and the relatives here illegally) from damaging the office again.

Conservatives must maintain a higher standard for our politicians and not lower themselves to the standards of the Democrats.


Sorry M_S, but anyone who gets a payout will be required to sign an NDA. Why would you pay someone out and then tell them it's ok to go running their suck about the suit?

Keep in mind, the payout is not an admission of guit, it's just cheeper than paying to go to court.



Pretty much this. You did not think it through Mr Steve.

And I would say that you guys are the ones not thinking this through.

There are a lot of weird things going on here. He knew this would be an issue with his Senate campaign, but now all of the sudden he doesn't know who accused him of what? He was accused of sexual harassment when he was the Chairman of the National Restaurant Association, but doesn't know the details of the accusations, wasn't a party to the non-disclosure agreement and didn't know about the payout? He was saying last week before any of this came out that he was ready for a lynching and now he's floundering on this issue? He tried to play the race card, he tried to blame Rick Perry, then apologized to Rick Perry, and now he doesn't know anything about this? Now he's thinking about suing over this? There's something rotten in Denmark.

Anyway, it sounds like we might get the details. The NRA is saying they may lift the gag order and let these women speak up.

I'd also like to remind you all that about this time back in 2008 Arfcom went absolutely gaga over the flavor of the month for that election cycle. That guy jumped in the race, said all the right conservative things, shot to the top of all the polls and then when the primaries came around he was instantly in last place. My point: You guys jump in head first a lot in elections. There have been others. I remember how excited this site was over Scott Brown, and how vigorously many around here defended that chick from NY who had the NRA A rating and took Hillary's seat in the Senate. I knew all three of Arfcom's favorite candidates (Thompson, Brown and Gillibrand) would be duds and I was viciously condemned by Arfcom for saying so. I'm not the one with a track record of not thinking things through.


Folks are not duped into believing that a pay-off to make something go away is a admission of guilt anymore. That is why even with all you speculate Cain is still going up in the polls.

Who is that you support again?


1. Then let's get the facts. That's all I'm asking for. I want to know what the details of this incident are. Frankly, I'm surprised that no one else wants to know what the details are before giving him a pass on this issue.

2. I'm behind Rick Perry, but as I've said many times I won't be upset if Herman Cain gets the nomination. All I want is to know the details of this incident. As a voter, I am entitled to know about his dirty laundry in order to make an informed decision about whether or not he has the character to lead this nation. If there are sexual harassment allegations in Rick Perry's past then I want to know about those too. As of yet however, no one has made any such accusations against Rick Perry.


Meh.....Do your own research and reach a decision. Me thinks your current speculation is to justify your rather poor choice in backing Perry but that is on you. IMHO unless Cain was wagging his pecker at the women in question this whole thing ain't much of a much. Time will tell.




A laughable assertion since I stated long before Perry even entered the race that although I would support him I didn't think he would get the nomination or win. America will not elect another governor from Texas for a looooong time. I even started a thread on the topic before Perry announced his candidacy.

I'm supporting Perry because I know what he's done for Texas and I think that he is the right man for the job, not because I think he has the best poll number. I did the same thing with in 2008 with Duncan Hunter. I supported him because I thought he was the right man for the job, not the most likely guy to win. That said, I don't have any issues with any of Cain's positions and I would not be disappointed if he were the nominee...unless we come to find out that he has a history of sexual harassment incidents that will sink him in the general election.
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Honestly, why is this becoming such an issue if it happened so long ago?

Because the media wills it so, and Perry's team is very butthurt their guy turned out to be a full-on retard aand a national amateur.

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This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


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You don't know enough at this point to not care.


That's not true! Ignorance is the lifeblood of apathy! You can always know little enough to not care!

Seriously, though, I still stand by by apathy with the minor caveat I originally stated - if it's not a physical crime such as assault or forcible rape, it won't register for me. Of course, it's a moot point for me right now anyway - I'm not a Republican so I don't vote in the primaries. But I cannot envision running a candidate who could be more destructive to the fabric of American than the egomaniac we currently have. If anything comes out as the race moves forward, the right should, at every opportunity, display the media's hypocrisy in their coverage, focus and bias. The only thing they hate more than the Right is standing in front of a mirror in public. They might not attack Obama with the same degree of fervor to overcompensate but I expect that they will at least mute their criticism so they can go back to their self-delusion that they're really unbiased.

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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
This isn't just some unsubstantiated frivolous claim. They paid these broads some hush money and made them promise to keep the details a secret. That tells me there is something embarrassing being concealed. Now, I know that you and others will go ape shit at the very suggestion, but there is more to this than Cain is letting on.


How do you know? It's the lawsuit lottery. File a claim, scream like hell, offer to settle for a lot less than it will cost to litigate. If your defendant is a corporation, they'll do the math and settle. Cain himself does not appear to be involved with the settlement, so he had no chance to fight it.

A few years ago, I found out my insurance company had paid off some guy after a car accident I was in. They never even mentioned it to me. They gave him $3000 to make the threat of a lawsuit go away, even though it was totally meritless and any jury would have laughed him out of a courtroom. The only reason I even heard about it was that I had to switch agents after a move, and the new guy brought it up when he reviewed my history.
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This fucking country, I swear. Two unnamed women say - through lawyers - that a man may have "made them feel uncomfortable during their interactions" and the press is pissing all over itself to make it into a "J'accuse!" moment. Meanwhile, a man who openly admits to snorting coke, hanging out with "college revolutionaries", mentoring under a racist preacher who condemns America at every turn and starting his "community organizing" career in the living room of a guy who's actually blown shit up on American soil in the name of communism is elected to our highest public office, where he presides over running guns to narcos, instructs his DoJ to file suits against states looking to protect themselves from foreign invasion but to avoid investigating civil rights violations of black guys swinging pipes and telling whitey to "vote the right way" and then supports "proud Marxists" as they close businesses and burn public property. Yeah, it was a run-on sentence but it's runaway lunacy so I think I can be forgiven. And that was just the "last week's news" version of the crap he's done.

Yeesh.


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Innocence until proven guilty should apply to this as well. These women should prove their case, which obviously they didn't since they settled quickly.
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What did the cunt think the agreement and money$ was for?
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