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Posted: 10/16/2011 10:58:36 AM EDT
How big?
Here's a little article that shows the barrels from WWII guns. 
http://www.rgspemkt.com/215-P2.html Not that they are as useful now as they once were, but I wonder if we even have the machining capability to make half this stuff anymore? |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:01:43 AM EDT
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i lived by an arsenal that used to make these, they still can i guess if they wanted to.
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:01:53 AM EDT
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Bring back the Battleships!!!
The ones they welded together are even crazier. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:03:19 AM EDT
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Yeah MK7's were big ass tubes.
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:07:04 AM EDT
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Do Not Hump
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:13:10 AM EDT
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How big? Here's a little article that shows the barrels from WWII guns. http://www.rgspemkt.com/4925V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/WebCoverPageV5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/Hist1-V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/Hist2-V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/215-P2.html Not that they are as useful now as they once were, but I wonder if we even have the machining capability to make half this stuff anymore? no, we don't. 
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:15:45 AM EDT
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Why can't I hump it? |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:17:07 AM EDT
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Gerald Bull laughs at your "big guns".
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:17:34 AM EDT
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Dont really know, but it told me not to.
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:18:12 AM EDT
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Gerald Bull laughs at your "big guns". From a Belgium graveyard. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:24:33 AM EDT
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http://www.arsenalpartnership.com/the-arsenal
been there, they could still make them |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:25:20 AM EDT
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So... Why would they want to make them?
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:25:34 AM EDT
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Gerald Bull laughs at your "big guns". From a Belgium graveyard. Let's hear it for Supergun, Iraq.....and the MOSSAD. Quoted:
So... Why would they want to make them? Make a supergun? In quick theory, if you have the land infrastructure to make such a cannon, shells are cheaper and it is not as easy to divert something on pure ballistic flight. ____________________________________________________ ("When you steal from the mob, that's not robbery.....it's suicide."––tagline, (w,stte), "Charlie Varrick") |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:31:39 AM EDT
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A ballistic trajectory has a number of issues, chief among them: inaccuracy.
A guided rocket would be significantly cheaper... |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:35:58 AM EDT
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there is a member on another forum I read that has a slice of a 16" barrel. It was cut off a barrel being sold as military scrap, the guy said it took 8 hours to make the cut.
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:37:02 AM EDT
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Do Not Hump Yes, expected that 
Railroad yards use to classify cars in what was called a 'hump yard' A locomotive would push the train from the rear over a hump, and at the top, the cars would be uncoupled and roll into various tracks for sorting. This is one near Picksburg which was, at one time, the largest hump yard in the world 
The high pitched squeeling (soooweeeeee! ) are the car retarders slowing the descent of uncoupled cars as they are pushed over the hump.
Needless to say, a huge thing like a naval gun could do some impressive damage if it was sent down the hump... |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:37:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: there is a member on another forum I read that has a slice of a 16" barrel. It was cut off a barrel being sold as military scrap, the guy said it took 8 hours to make the cut. http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u321/definc/IMG_1418.jpg That would be cool to have. I have no idea what the hell I'd do with it, but it would still be cool to have. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:38:08 AM EDT
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there is a member on another forum I read that has a slice of a 16" barrel. It was cut off a barrel being sold as military scrap, the guy said it took 8 hours to make the cut. http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u321/definc/IMG_1418.jpg That's interesting - you can see the line of demarcation between the liner and the barrel. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:43:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Gerald Bull laughs at your "big guns". From a Belgium graveyard. With a well deserved Mossad bullet in his brain. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:46:30 AM EDT
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Buy your own!
http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=4363825&tid=GLSPPS7081&cm_mmc=Email-_-ia8069-_-2011-04-25-_-8069_8930 3,360,000 lbs approx Steel Gun Tubes, the shipping cradles and railroad rails that the gun tubes are sitting on are also included in weight and sale. Demilitarization is a condition of sale for Gun Tubes only. Property located at Hawthorne Army Depot, NV, 89415. Qty 14ea Tubes and weigh approx 236,900 lbs ea and are 816 inches long, Tube thickness being approx 15in. at the breach and 4in. at the muzzle, Metal content is approx, Fe 98.40, Ni 0.10, Si 0.60, Mn 0.10, Cr 0.20, Mo 0.30, Co 0.10 W 0.10. Cutting / DEMIL requirements are in the attached DEMIL plan. DEMIL will be completed within a reasonable timeframe not to exceed 30 work days under normal hours of operation (0700-1600). Contractor will attend a start of work meeting before DEMIL can begin. All DEMIL will be performed on site before property may leave. Clean up of all foreign materials and debris in the surrounding work area are required for buyer to fulfill his responsibility for removal. Local disposal of debris and foreign materials are not permitted. Preview available prior to start of sale, appointment date for preview will be one day only and will be on April 21st at 11am. Visitors coming to the preview must have all appropriate base entry forms filled out and back to the Site Manager no later then 12pm Tuesday 4/19/11 or base entry will not be permitted. Buyer load.      |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:47:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: there is a member on another forum I read that has a slice of a 16" barrel. It was cut off a barrel being sold as military scrap, the guy said it took 8 hours to make the cut. http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u321/definc/IMG_1418.jpg 8 hours to cut that? Seems a little long. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:53:21 AM EDT
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there is a member on another forum I read that has a slice of a 16" barrel. It was cut off a barrel being sold as military scrap, the guy said it took 8 hours to make the cut. http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u321/definc/IMG_1418.jpg That would be cool to have. I have no idea what the hell I'd do with it, but it would still be cool to have. That would make a stylin' nighttable
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Posted: 10/16/2011 11:56:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: there is a member on another forum I read that has a slice of a 16" barrel. It was cut off a barrel being sold as military scrap, the guy said it took 8 hours to make the cut. http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u321/definc/IMG_1418.jpg 8 hours to cut that? Seems a little long. that is what I thought, but he said it took the scrap people 8 hours. (Maybe they were union?) |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:05:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: there is a member on another forum I read that has a slice of a 16" barrel. It was cut off a barrel being sold as military scrap, the guy said it took 8 hours to make the cut. http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u321/definc/IMG_1418.jpg 8 hours to cut that? Seems a little long. that is what I thought, but he said it took the scrap people 8 hours. (Maybe they were union?) If they were I bet even the band saws get a mandatory break! |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:24:58 PM EDT
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Here is the Battleship News Jersey.
I work at the concert venue next to it. 
I want a couple of these for my front yard. They have these stored near the battleship. Along with some big ass anchor chains. 
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:27:20 PM EDT
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"guns as big as steers, and shells as big as trees"
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:34:37 PM EDT
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"guns as big as steers, and shells as big as trees" But trees are bigger than steers. Goddamn Johny Horton. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:38:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Do Not Hump Yes, expected that Railroad yards use to classify cars in what was called a 'hump yard' A locomotive would push the train from the rear over a hump, and at the top, the cars would be uncoupled and roll into various tracks for sorting. This is one near Picksburg which was, at one time, the largest hump yard in the world http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cr_conway.jpg  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oEcV3FWWt8The high pitched squeeling (soooweeeeee! ) are the car retarders slowing the descent of uncoupled cars as they are pushed over the hump.Needless to say, a huge thing like a naval gun could do some impressive damage if it was sent down the hump... Why are you using the past tense? Hump yards still exist. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:39:28 PM EDT
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"guns as big as steers, and shells as big as trees" But trees are bigger than steers. Goddamn Johny Horton. Yeah - and then the whole trees are long and cylindrical bit, and steers not. I always thought his metaphors were a bit mixed.
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:45:08 PM EDT
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Buy your own!
<snip> Trying to find them on the aerial view 1 S Maine Ave, Hawthorne, NV 89415 |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:46:18 PM EDT
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Do Not Hump Yes, expected that
Railroad yards use to classify cars in what was called a 'hump yard' A locomotive would push the train from the rear over a hump, and at the top, the cars would be uncoupled and roll into various tracks for sorting. This is one near Picksburg which was, at one time, the largest hump yard in the world http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cr_conway.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oEcV3FWWt8
The high pitched squeeling (soooweeeeee! ) are the car retarders slowing the descent of uncoupled cars as they are pushed over the hump.
Needless to say, a huge thing like a naval gun could do some impressive damage if it was sent down the hump... Why are you using the past tense? Hump yards still exist. They do but are not as common as they once were. Lots more unit train traffic than mixed freight. But yes, they are still around. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 1:33:38 PM EDT
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How big? Here's a little article that shows the barrels from WWII guns. http://www.rgspemkt.com/4925V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/WebCoverPageV5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/Hist1-V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/Hist2-V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/215-P2.html Not that they are as useful now as they once were, but I wonder if we even have the machining capability to make half this stuff anymore? no, we don't. Man I get tired of hearing this line, as if making large steel tubes is somehow beyond our grasp despite all the advances in technology that have been made in the last 50 years. 
IF we had the need to build battleship guns again we could do it lighter and stronger than before. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 1:42:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why can't I hump it? Nobody makes a glove big enough to put over the muzzle. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 3:37:47 PM EDT
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What do you mean not useful?
1, they created jobs, making the steel, making the steel into barrels and steel into ships. 2, a 16" 1900 - 2700 lbs round is quite useful at anything within 23.4 miles 3, they also could fire 15-20 kiloton nukes too.... 280+ 16" shells hit Beruit in 1984, only mistake was stopping. Arty can shoot anytime of the day, in any weather. Still a shit load of targets within 23.4 miles of the shore.... Think how well they would work clearing out the wall street protesters? The survivors would have jobs picking up the body parts and rubble. win-win. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 3:45:01 PM EDT
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They wouldn't be able to work, their nerves would be jelly.
I thought the 8" self propelled gun was big, damn...nothing like a Volkswagen in your yard to ruin your day. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 3:51:43 PM EDT
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If you are ever in the area, take the tour of the USS Alabama Battle ship Museum in Mobile. AL. (just off I-10)
Walking the deck in the bow area under the 16'' guns is truly a religious experience. Even my girly girl wife loved the self guided tour...
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Posted: 10/16/2011 3:52:05 PM EDT
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What do you mean not useful? 1, they created jobs, making the steel, making the steel into barrels and steel into ships. 2, a 16" 1900 - 2700 lbs round is quite useful at anything within 23.4 miles 3, they also could fire 15-20 kiloton nukes too.... 280+ 16" shells hit Beruit in 1984, only mistake was stopping. Technically they hit the Bekaa Valley IIRC Arty can shoot anytime of the day, in any weather. Still a shit load of targets within 23.4 miles of the shore.... Think how well they would work clearing out the wall street protesters? The survivors would have jobs picking up the body parts and rubble. win-win. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 3:52:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Those main battery missions were shot into the Shouf Mountains and Bekaa Valley at identified HVT's , I worked with one of the officers that observed and planned those missions. None of them were shot into Beruit.What do you mean not useful? 1, they created jobs, making the steel, making the steel into barrels and steel into ships. 2, a 16" 1900 - 2700 lbs round is quite useful at anything within 23.4 miles 3, they also could fire 15-20 kiloton nukes too.... 280+ 16" shells hit Beruit in 1984, only mistake was stopping. Arty can shoot anytime of the day, in any weather. Still a shit load of targets within 23.4 miles of the shore.... Think how well they would work clearing out the wall street protesters? The survivors would have jobs picking up the body parts and rubble. win-win. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 3:53:53 PM EDT
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You think those guns are big? Imagine the 18" naval guns on the Musashi and Yamato. Adding 2 more inches of barrel diameter no doubt increases the weight immensely.
Wonder what those shells weighed? |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 3:54:54 PM EDT
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How big? Here's a little article that shows the barrels from WWII guns. http://www.rgspemkt.com/4925V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/WebCoverPageV5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/Hist1-V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/Hist2-V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/215-P2.html Not that they are as useful now as they once were, but I wonder if we even have the machining capability to make half this stuff anymore? no, we don't. Man I get tired of hearing this line, as if making large steel tubes is somehow beyond our grasp despite all the advances in technology that have been made in the last 50 years.
IF we had the need to build battleship guns again we could do it lighter and stronger than before. How quickly? Who, specifically, is set up for work of this size? Mesta Machine is gone (WHEMCO is but a shell) http://www.flickr.com/photos/statlerhotel/4112593021/ http://media.photobucket.com/image/mesta%20machine/kenshop/MestaMachineCompany.jpg http://media.photobucket.com/image/mesta%20machine/rniemi/Ries/mestamill2.jpg 
When the steel industry left, it took a bunch of support with it. Who makes this stuff in the US anymore? |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:05:55 PM EDT
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No, we do not currently have the ability to reproduce those barrels or even reline them.
It's not that we don't have the knowledge. We do. But the specialized equipment that is required to make those barrels and reline them has been scrapped. We could reproduce them if the need arose but today, those barrels can't be reproduced with the equipment currently on hand. There is a substantial difference between losing a capability due to intentional scrapping of the system, and losing the knowledge required for that capability. We have not done THAT. I am pleased to note that all four of the battleships are spoken for as museums. A deal was recently made to preserve the Iowa, the last of the BBs to still be in the Navy's inventory, and turn it into a museum along with the other three. To the best of my knowledge, the Iowa class battleships represent the only class of major Naval warships that (A) lost none in war, (B), lost none to the scrapper, and (C) all examples are preserved. All that were built, all four of them, still exist. Only the two additional ones that were never completed (due to the abrupt end of WWII) were scrapped. Of all the ships of WWII, the Iowa class battleships are the most interesting to me. They represent the Naval side of WWII to me like nothing else. They're also fascinating ships with incredible service records and post-WWII histories. They were modernized and upgraded several times, up through the 80s and into the 90s. Some things could not be added to them for some interesting reasons. For example, Sea Sparrow missile systems were considered for installation on the battleships, but it was found that the Sea Sparrow batteries would not be able to withstand the blast overpressure generated by the firing of the 16 inch main guns. It would have damaged the missile systems and rendered them inoperative or at least unreliable. CJ |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:07:15 PM EDT
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Damn those decks need to be holy stoned.
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:11:57 PM EDT
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Damn those decks need to be holy stoned. I believe they are teak. The way we preserve our history is atrocious. Take all the $$$$ spent on naming highways & buildings after politicians and apply it to those men and equipment who actually did something positive for our country. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:15:28 PM EDT
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Buy your own!
<snip> Trying to find them on the aerial view 1 S Maine Ave, Hawthorne, NV 89415 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hawthorne,+NV+89415&hl=en&ll=38.546181,-118.649994&spn=0.001347,0.002674&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&safe=off&hnear=Hawthorne,+Mineral,+Nevada&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6 |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:23:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Damn those decks need to be holy stoned. I believe they are teak. The way we preserve our history is atrocious. Take all the $$$$ spent on naming highways & buildings after politicians and apply it to those men and equipment who actually did something positive for our country. Somewhere there is a CPO trembling in rage. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:30:54 PM EDT
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Damn those decks need to be holy stoned. I believe they are teak. The way we preserve our history is atrocious. Take all the $$$$ spent on naming highways & buildings after politicians and apply it to those men and equipment who actually did something positive for our country. Somewhere there is a long-retired CPO trembling in rage. FIFY
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:31:37 PM EDT
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What do you mean not useful? 1, they created jobs, making the steel, making the steel into barrels and steel into ships. 2, a 16" 1900 - 2700 lbs round is quite useful at anything within 23.4 miles 3, they also could fire 15-20 kiloton nukes too.... 280+ 16" shells hit Beruit in 1984, only mistake was stopping. Arty can shoot anytime of the day, in any weather. Still a shit load of targets within 23.4 miles of the shore.... Think how well they would work clearing out the wall street protesters? The survivors would have jobs picking up the body parts and rubble. win-win. If you could hit it. How long does it take to adjust? How many rounds? |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:37:38 PM EDT
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I not all that familiar with the process or the companies making the gun barrels, I bet they could, but it would take awhile because they would have to get the machinery and labor together.
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How big? Here's a little article that shows the barrels from WWII guns. http://www.rgspemkt.com/4925V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/WebCoverPageV5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/Hist1-V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/Hist2-V5.jpg http://www.rgspemkt.com/215-P2.html Not that they are as useful now as they once were, but I wonder if we even have the machining capability to make half this stuff anymore? no, we don't. |
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Posted: 10/16/2011 4:42:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What do you mean not useful? 1, they created jobs, making the steel, making the steel into barrels and steel into ships. 2, a 16" 1900 - 2700 lbs round is quite useful at anything within 23.4 miles 3, they also could fire 15-20 kiloton nukes too.... 280+ 16" shells hit Beirut in 1984, only mistake was stopping. Arty can shoot anytime of the day, in any weather. Still a shit load of targets within 23.4 miles of the shore.... Think how well they would work clearing out the wall street protesters? The survivors would have jobs picking up the body parts and rubble. win-win. If you could hit it. How long does it take to adjust? How many rounds? Question would be what are you targeting? 16 inch HC had an effective casualty radius of about 1000 meters a one mount salvo is going to mess up a grid squares day. AP was a different story. What's not understood is that getting a fire mission from a BB firing her main battery was not a pick up the radio and ask, BB's were not direct support ships they were general support and use of them was controlled by CATF or higher. |
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