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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - What is the bigger threat to your life, liberty, and property, criminals or the government?

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:41:35 PM EDT

Poll inbound, please explain your answer.

ETA: nevermind, got it.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:43:03 PM EDT

[#1]

Short term, criminals
Long term, Gov't

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:43:28 PM EDT

[#2]

The government. They do it "legally" and have been stealing from me for years!

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:45:14 PM EDT

[#3]

The government. I am more than armed enough to handle a criminal or two. But I might need a couple of fellow arfcomers to team up with me to take on the government.

ETA -

for sarcasm.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:46:46 PM EDT

[#4]

Government. Its actions are legally protected.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:46:53 PM EDT

[#5]

the government. I can defend myself from criminals as an individual.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:47:08 PM EDT

[#6]

Government

Quoted:
The government. I am more than armed enough to handle a criminal or two. But I might need a couple of fellow arfcomers to team up with me to take on the government.

And we sometimes wonder why other people think gun owners are nutjobs.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:48:51 PM EDT

[#7]

You can shoot criminals dead. The .gov just comes back with backup.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:49:19 PM EDT

[#8]

Life and small property (car, household stuff).................criminals

Liberty and large property (land, house, bank account)........government

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:49:47 PM EDT

[#9]

Damnit, who voted criminals and didn't explain their answer?

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:50:09 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
The government. They do it "legally" and have been stealing from me for years!

+1

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:50:20 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Government

Quoted:
The government. I am more than armed enough to handle a criminal or two. But I might need a couple of fellow arfcomers to team up with me to take on the government.

And we sometimes wonder why other people think gun owners are nutjobs.

I don't.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:51:19 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Life and small property (car, household stuff).................criminals

Liberty and large property (land, house, bank account)........government

How much "small property" has the government cost you just in taxes?

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:52:24 PM EDT

[#13]

Then again, I guess one could say that the most successful criminals either work directly for the government or use it to meet their ends.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:53:19 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Government

Quoted:
The government. I am more than armed enough to handle a criminal or two. But I might need a couple of fellow arfcomers to team up with me to take on the government.

And we sometimes wonder why other people think gun owners are nutjobs.

Oops. I forgot to throw in one of these

to indicate my sarcasm.
I was kidding mostly...

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:53:34 PM EDT

[#15]

ARF answer: Both. You ask this like they're two separate things.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:53:38 PM EDT

[#16]

Criminal Government is one that operates outside the parameters of the United States Constitution

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:53:45 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Life and small property (car, household stuff).................criminals

Liberty and large property (land, house, bank account)........government

good post.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:56:09 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
ARF answer: Both. You ask this like they're two separate things.

I guess what I really mean are the criminals who work for the government (crooked cops, bureaucrats, politicians), vs the criminals that don't.

Posted: 10/14/2011 9:57:10 PM EDT

[#19]

MTV

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Posted: 10/14/2011 10:00:58 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

ARF answer: Both. You ask this like they're two separate things.

Ha.

True story though. Dumb criminals knock over the corner grog shop.

Smart criminals go into politics.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:01:06 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
MTV

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Riiiiiiiiiiight...

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:04:44 PM EDT

[#22]

I have many forms of redress if a person deprives me of mine. Not so much if the gov does it.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:05:44 PM EDT

[#23]

China...........

...............oh wait........

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:07:49 PM EDT

[#24]

Nowadays, I think there's no difference between the government and criminals.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:12:12 PM EDT

[#25]

Government pretty much touches almost every aspect in our lives. Where as most people aren't victimized by a criminal. So you're far more likely to suffer the wrath from a government gone bad versus getting mugged or someone breaking into your house and stealing your shit.

And it's legal to defend yourself against a criminal.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:13:18 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Nowadays, I think there's no difference between the government and criminals.

There never has been.

In fact, nothing is any different than it ever was, nothing.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:20:58 PM EDT

[#27]

Criminals have got a couple of bikes, and a car stereo. Government is well into six figures.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:23:32 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Short term, criminals
Long term, Gov't

This.

The power to tax is the power to destroy. Congress is talking about instituting the European VAT system. They can tax you out of your home (can't pay your property taxes and your place gets auctioned at the county courthouse). They can silence you through intimidation (political correctness).

When a criminal shoves his hands down your pants and gropes your junk, it's called sexual assault. But when Heimat Sicherheit Dienst does it at the airport, it's called airline safety.

I think every American should re-read the Declaration of Independence. It's the mother of all grievances. We must not re-elect the incumbents who voted for the trap, TARP, which transferred the burden of private debt onto the public shoulder. We must not re-elect any member of Congress who would not move on impeaching the undocumented alien worker man child emperor king for his illegal war against Libya. We must not allow him to spur an attack on Syria either.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:27:10 PM EDT

[#29]

I wonder how long this thread can really last when no one is willing to argue the opposing view.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:31:15 PM EDT

[#30]

Dupes.

ETA:

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:36:03 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Life and small property (car, household stuff).................criminals

Liberty and large property (land, house, bank account)........government

How much "small property" has the government cost you just in taxes?

I guess in a way the government keeps smaller things from me, but it's combined with my own cheapass nature too. If I didn't have as many taxes, I'd have more money saved up (I have a decent amount now), but I'd still probably be a cheapass.

Sales tax is what kills it for me usually. I almost bought a case of some PMC 5.56 62gr several months ago. With the sales tax I decided it was a hair too much.

It keeps from from spending 5k or more on a newer car too. I'm looking for 4k or less, and it's hard to find what I want.

Property tax also certainly takes money I might spend on other small stuff, but I also consider it a threat to the house and land.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:37:04 PM EDT

[#32]

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

Poll fail.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:41:02 PM EDT

[#33]

Explain the difference?

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:41:30 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

Poll fail.

It's been addressed, most seem to understand the concept.

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:42:20 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Explain the difference?

Criminals who hide behind government authority and those that don't.

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:24:45 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Government

Quoted:
The government. I am more than armed enough to handle a criminal or two. But I might need a couple of fellow government employees to team up with me to take on an arfcomer.

And we sometimes wonder why other people think a lot of those in government are nutjobs.

Fixt.

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:35:12 AM EDT

[#37]

The power to tax and regulate are the power to destroy.. That alone should be simple enough to understand for even the most obtuse here ...

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:36:57 AM EDT

[#38]

I know this is outside the scope of the question, but I'd answer that as "myself".

If anyone has a chance of derailing my life it's would be me.

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:37:16 AM EDT

[#39]

One in the same so I guess it would be the official Arfcom answer...Get End Both

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:47:43 AM EDT

[#40]

I can defend my family and myself from the criminals...does that answer your question?

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:51:15 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
Short term, criminals
Long term, Gov't

+1

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:51:31 AM EDT

[#42]

Poll fail - is there really a difference between the two???

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:53:33 AM EDT

[#43]

" No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session."

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:55:09 AM EDT

[#44]

The government, by far.

Hell, thay can claim that social security is not a ponzi scheme, simply because it is administered by the government.

Posted: 10/15/2011 4:57:54 AM EDT

[#45]

Where I live crime is so low the town has only one cop and he is bored stiff and has a second job. The .gov is a bigger threat but you go shooting at them you are definitely going to get the worst of it so find a better way to remedy your complaints.

Posted: 10/15/2011 5:25:52 AM EDT

[#46]

The government is simply Americas largest gang of criminals.

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