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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:23:42 PM EDT
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I will say lucky to make it back on 1 engine as it normally would carry you to the scene of the crash.
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On my cherry jump not a single one of us landed on the drop zone. Only two of us actually landed on base and we were stuck in the trees. It was a day jump. Just how hard is it, when you're only 800 feet off the ground, to see a giant green field with flashing Pathfinder beacons and big orange markers? I was door man many times after that and I sure as heck didn't have any trouble seeing the ground. 
While we're on the subject..........we lost 3 C-130 engines on a jump. I'll withhold my true feelings about how we felt for not being allowed to jump outta that death trap. We were all chuted up but you guys wouldn't let us out. grumble grumble grumble....... I was impressed that only one engine kept us going long enough to make it back to the airfield. How far can one engine pull a C-130? What are the chances of losing 3 engines on one flight? And what would you say was the most likely cause? And oh yeah, is there any specific reason we couldn't GTFO? Weight distribution? Payback? Nobody would tell us anything, its a mystery. |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:31:26 PM EDT
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do you believe that if either the B2 or the B1 were ordered in the numbers originally scribbled down that they would be worthy replacements for what the BUFF does?
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If you had to work on one for the rest of your life, Boeing or Lockheed? My choice is Boeing or Douglas... Boeing.  tough question that I get asked a lot, both jets have good and bad things about them. But honestly I'd sooner work Herks. Better supply system, better TO system, ability to go ANYWHERE, tons of different missions, actually has an APU or GTC, ailerons, more redundant features such as flaps that can be hand cranked up and down. Not that I don't like the BUFF but I honestly think that once SAC was disbanded in 1992 it became a red headed step child of ACC and only now since the GWOT kicked off and the sheningans of the Nuc incident of 2007 is the AF as a whole actually paying attention again to them, but its somewhat late and hard to fix 20 years of neglect. Also to me the BUFF is an airframe that was designed and built in a hurry for primarily just one mission in mind. It has a very large maintenance footprint and just doesn't seem as well thought out of a design. Not thats its a bad design, but the Herk to me is a more thought out aircraft Granted I've never worked either airframe; but the B-2 maybe, but B-1 HELL NO!!!! From what I saw of the B-1's while working Herks at Dyess AFB TX they are a Hydraulics sytem nightmare and averaged an IFE ( in-flight emergency) darn near once a week. Don't get me wrong the Bone is doing a fine job over in A-stan doing CAS and show of force missions but they are a maintneance hog I'm not a MX troop but the F-15Es at my base average an IFE every few days. |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:35:45 PM EDT
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A couple questions. First, tell me everything you can about this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/zack3gpics/d90/7e856b63.jpg Second, why would there be a group of those ^ being escorted by some of these: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/zack3gpics/d90/5b8376c0.jpg around Shreveport, LA? Training exercise? Doesn't look like the -15 is carrying anything. What time did that happen? I didn't get to see them. 
Btw, were you at the Revel in Shreveport this weekend Zack3g? Nope, not my area. I was doing some work around there earlier this year and got the pics. Was this in August? I was TDY there with the Minot BUFF's. There were 2 reasons why the SJ F-15's were there. Question for the OP: Why do jets guys get stuck with doing post I's & E's? I was up at Red Flag AK this past August and we didn't have any F-15E's from SJ up there, we had the Navy EA-18's, Kunsan F-16's, and Misawa F-16's up there playing with us tt350z, y'all end up doing I's & E's because we rarely have enough 7-lvl's on shift to do the tows and drag chutes let alone knock out the posts, this is with swing shift at least |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:40:21 PM EDT
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OP, How many T Handles on your Herk? hmm, lets see T-handles, well you had five four the engines and APU/GTC, plus the Super-E's that had JATO racks had some more, plus you had one at FS245 for the bomb rack, plus another one on the bomb rack itself |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:45:09 PM EDT
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How senior is a "Master Chief"?
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:51:13 PM EDT
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How senior is a "Master Chief"? wrong branch, we have Chief Master Sergeant's in the USAF, which is an E-9 |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:53:20 PM EDT
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I need a couple B61's, can you help me out?
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:54:46 PM EDT
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I need a couple B61's, can you help me out? sorry but we don't play with them anymore, just AGM-86B's under START, the B-2's play with those silver bullets now |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:55:34 PM EDT
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OP, How many T Handles on your Herk? hmm, lets see T-handles, well you had five four the engines and APU/GTC, plus the Super-E's that had JATO racks had some more, plus you had one at FS245 for the bomb rack, plus another one on the bomb rack itself Don't forget the life rafts... Keep going 
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Posted: 10/10/2011 4:59:31 PM EDT
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OP, How many T Handles on your Herk? hmm, lets see T-handles, well you had five four the engines and APU/GTC, plus the Super-E's that had JATO racks had some more, plus you had one at FS245 for the bomb rack, plus another one on the bomb rack itself Don't forget the life rafts... Keep going damn forgot about them, shit thats six of them right there. This is what happens when you brain dump lots of that stuff after you move on to another airframe |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 5:30:15 PM EDT
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Do you think the older generator voltage regulators (the ones that had to be matched to either the Bendix or GE generator) or the newer black-box GCUs are more reliable?
I always thought the GCUs were finicky. My base's C-130s were upgraded to GCUs about 6 months after I got out of tech school, so I can't compare. I've also repaired GCUs at my current civilian job. They seem to fail a lot. |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 5:41:51 PM EDT
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Do you think the older generator voltage regulators (the ones that had to be matched to either the Bendix or GE generator) or the newer black-box GCUs are more reliable? I always thought the GCUs were finicky. My base's C-130s were upgraded to GCUs about 6 months after I got out of tech school, so I can't compare. I've also repaired GCUs at my current civilian job. They seem to fail a lot. all I ever knew on Herks was the GCU's and truth be told they had their fair share of issues |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 5:50:41 PM EDT
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do you believe that if either the B2 or the B1 were ordered in the numbers originally scribbled down that they would be worthy replacements for what the BUFF does?
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If you had to work on one for the rest of your life, Boeing or Lockheed? My choice is Boeing or Douglas... Boeing. tough question that I get asked a lot, both jets have good and bad things about them. But honestly I'd sooner work Herks. Better supply system, better TO system, ability to go ANYWHERE, tons of different missions, actually has an APU or GTC, ailerons, more redundant features such as flaps that can be hand cranked up and down. Not that I don't like the BUFF but I honestly think that once SAC was disbanded in 1992 it became a red headed step child of ACC and only now since the GWOT kicked off and the sheningans of the Nuc incident of 2007 is the AF as a whole actually paying attention again to them, but its somewhat late and hard to fix 20 years of neglect. Also to me the BUFF is an airframe that was designed and built in a hurry for primarily just one mission in mind. It has a very large maintenance footprint and just doesn't seem as well thought out of a design. Not thats its a bad design, but the Herk to me is a more thought out aircraft Granted I've never worked either airframe; but the B-2 maybe, but B-1 HELL NO!!!! From what I saw of the B-1's while working Herks at Dyess AFB TX they are a Hydraulics sytem nightmare and averaged an IFE ( in-flight emergency) darn near once a week. Don't get me wrong the Bone is doing a fine job over in A-stan doing CAS and show of force missions but they are a maintneance hog I'm not a MX troop but the F-15Es at my base average an IFE every few days. IME fighters in general IFE more frequently than your typical heavy. The Bone tends to IFE more frequently because it's a giant fighter at heart. |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 5:52:21 PM EDT
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How senior is a "Master Chief"? wrong branch, we have Chief Master Sergeant's in the USAF, which is an E-9 A master chief is also an E9. They are the highest rank the enlisted corps has. |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 6:05:03 PM EDT
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IBTL?
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Posted: 10/10/2011 6:06:45 PM EDT
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Can you bump start a F-100?
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Posted: 10/10/2011 6:40:15 PM EDT
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Can you bump start a F-100? Haven't a clone about the Hun, those were around way before my time, I've only been in since 2004, so yeah I'm a youngin
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Posted: 10/10/2011 6:41:06 PM EDT
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OP, How many T Handles on your Herk? hmm, lets see T-handles, well you had five four the engines and APU/GTC, plus the Super-E's that had JATO racks had some more, plus you had one at FS245 for the bomb rack, plus another one on the bomb rack itself Don't forget the life rafts... Keep going How many holes in the urinal? |
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Posted: 10/10/2011 6:45:59 PM EDT
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OP, How many T Handles on your Herk? hmm, lets see T-handles, well you had five four the engines and APU/GTC, plus the Super-E's that had JATO racks had some more, plus you had one at FS245 for the bomb rack, plus another one on the bomb rack itself Don't forget the life rafts... Keep going How many holes in the urinal? really 
never counted, even though I did have to unclog one once, that sucked very much to say the least. Used blue gloves and a dixie cup to pull out some toilet paort that some asshole put in there and then proceded to piss all over |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 1:43:19 AM EDT
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While working on the aircraft have you ever discovered anything left hidden away by a long ago crewman? Something like a photo or note? Maybe a tool or pocket knife?
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Posted: 10/11/2011 5:15:58 AM EDT
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Did you ever find a Diet Pepsi frozen to the skin of the aircraft after the crew had stuck it under the insulation to cool it off and forgotten about it?
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Posted: 10/11/2011 5:30:16 AM EDT
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While working on the aircraft have you ever discovered anything left hidden away by a long ago crewman? Something like a photo or note? Maybe a tool or pocket knife? I've noticed that Surefire's are pretty common. |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 5:43:36 AM EDT
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Did you ever find a Diet Pepsi frozen to the skin of the aircraft after the crew had stuck it under the insulation to cool it off and forgotten about it? If only it was pulling a frozen can off. It's when the damn things explode. 
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Posted: 10/11/2011 5:50:50 AM EDT
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My first was 1676 (Alaska now), then 2131. then 2063 ("Christine"). She had a mind of Her own & would crap all over the Ramp when a CC other than Ciccaroni or I took Her TDY. I had two "Specialists" call Her a "Pig" while working on Her. They both were on the way to the ER within 5 minutes. One tried to scalp Himself with a #2 prop blade & the other ran safety wire all the way through His hand. She hated "Specialists" & didn't like being called a Pig. In the 18 months She allowed Me to Crew Her, She never once let Me down while out in the system. The Ol' Crew Chief When did you have 2131? My name was on that bird '80-'82. When I got her, she still had all her origional engines!  [/quote]
2131 was also a trouble free sweetie. She was mine in late '83. 6 months before I got Her, She was being refueled when they noticed smoke & soot coming out of the #2 main tank vents!!! 
They determined that the explosion-proof foam caused static build-up and sparked a fire, then the foam did it's job before the durn thing 'sploded! If i would have been doing the refuel, I'd of pooped 'em, BIG TIME! They made Her into ultra Cann Bird for almost three months. No ramp & door, no radome. no leading edges, no crew door, ect. She was a pitiful sight.The CC spent a month getting Her back together. Lots of 12+ hour days. He hit "Burn-Out" & pencil-whipped the BPO/Pre. QA decided to do an Eval & found the NLG pin & streamer hanging in the back of the CP seat
That was the last He saw of His Senior AMN stripes & the last thing He ever signed-off. They really drove him into the ground, but there's no excuse for that kind of pencil-whipping. Poor Bastard. That's when I got Her. The Ol' Crew Chief |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 6:10:48 AM EDT
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Just before I got out (fall '85) Christine was in Fuel Smell for work on #2 main. After midnight shift change, Evening shift was wondering where AMN Joe was. They found him dead in the tank. They surmised He thought He could go in & locate a lost tool all by His lonesome & against all the Regs. I knew He must have called Her a pig. I told You she didn't like "Specialists"!!! The Ol' crew Chief You know this as fact? I heard this story when i first came in (82) This was Sep of '85. Never heard about the earlier one. Wow, maybe She had more than 1 victim She was slated for a week of "Heavy Maintenance", so I was sent to NCO Prep School. One of My Class Mates was a Victor 7 Weenie & said: "Did You hear about the Fuel Smell Weenie They found dead in the fuel tank?" & the hair stood-up on the back of My neck! I asked if it was the Bird in the barn closest to the flightline & He said yeah. I cut the news blurb out of both the local & base paper, but only Gawd knows where they are in My wreck of a house. The Ol' Crew Chief |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 6:30:14 AM EDT
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While working on the aircraft have you ever discovered anything left hidden away by a long ago crewman? Something like a photo or note? Maybe a tool or pocket knife? I've noticed that Surefire's are pretty common. "To the Crew Chief goes the Spoils" As soon as the Flight Crew rolls away, go through all the garbage & salvage all the salvageable food. They chained Us to the planes & threw Us raw meat every week or so, so You never passed-up a chance of eating, especially free stuff! I found lots of strange stuff. Porn under the CC bunk mattress, a live .45ACP round, lots of pens & pencils, a couple of ponchos, a Load Smashers pocket knife, ect. Nothing super cool. The Ol' Crew Chief |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 6:37:20 AM EDT
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How long is the training cycle for a crew chief? How much variance from aircraft to aircraft type? |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 6:55:24 AM EDT
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Is there anyplace you know of that publishes the load out data for USAF cargo aircraft? Specifically poundage allowed per square foot?
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Posted: 10/11/2011 7:47:12 AM EDT
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How many holes in the urinal? 7 ETA: I had to think about it....I first did say 8, but I remember the pattern. 
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Posted: 10/11/2011 7:58:56 AM EDT
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How many holes in the urinal? 7 ETA: I had to think about it....I first did say 8, but I remember the pattern.
Yup. 7. It's a set-up question for the comeback: "only a real Dick would know that!" The Ol' Crew Chief |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 7:59:59 AM EDT
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Is there anyplace you know of that publishes the load out data for USAF cargo aircraft? Specifically poundage allowed per square foot? Yep, for design we use the interface manuals for each airplane. For design of a new airplane I would use the Joint Services Specification Guide; I would have to dig around to find which JSSG to use. |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 8:07:12 AM EDT
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Minot was my first duty station, June 83-86, as an LE, before the SP career field was merged. How in the hell did a BUFF from Minot manage to fly all the way to LA with live nukes on the wings and NO ONE noticed that they left the ground????? How many people were kicked out because of this??? I was stationed there when it happened. It was a fucking nightmare for everyone on base. |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 8:12:03 AM EDT
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Is there anyplace you know of that publishes the load out data for USAF cargo aircraft? Specifically poundage allowed per square foot? Yep, for design we use the interface manuals for each airplane. For design of a new airplane I would use the Joint Services Specification Guide; I would have to dig around to find which JSSG to use. Is that info available to civilians who might need to send something out to Astan in a very large box? |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 8:35:33 AM EDT
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While working on the aircraft have you ever discovered anything left hidden away by a long ago crewman? Something like a photo or note? Maybe a tool or pocket knife? I've noticed that Surefire's are pretty common. "To the Crew Chief goes the Spoils" As soon as the Flight Crew rolls away, go through all the garbage & salvage all the salvageable food. They chained Us to the planes & threw Us raw meat every week or so, so You never passed-up a chance of eating, especially free stuff! I found lots of strange stuff. Porn under the CC bunk mattress, a live .45ACP round, lots of pens & pencils, a couple of ponchos, a Load Smashers pocket knife, ect. Nothing super cool. The Ol' Crew Chief And anything of value gets ransomed for beer. |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 8:38:48 AM EDT
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How long is the training cycle for a crew chief? How much variance from aircraft to aircraft type? Tech school has a four week portion called fundimentals where everyone goes to learn about forms, the TO system, and how to use basic tools. From there it's anywhere from zero days for jets like the KC-10 that's done by an FTD as they don't have the stuff to train it to about six more months for the F-16 guys. |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 8:48:51 AM EDT
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Is there anyplace you know of that publishes the load out data for USAF cargo aircraft? Specifically poundage allowed per square foot? Yep, for design we use the interface manuals for each airplane. For design of a new airplane I would use the Joint Services Specification Guide; I would have to dig around to find which JSSG to use. Is that info available to civilians who might need to send something out to Astan in a very large box? Use the loadmaster's TO for the airplane. This has the limitations built in so the floors and tie downs don't get overloaded. Look around the DTIC web site. I found a DD Form 2130-13 with a quick look; I don't know if it's current. |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 9:07:37 AM EDT
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I was impressed that only one engine kept us going long enough to make it back to the airfield. How far can one engine pull a C-130? What are the chances of losing 3 engines on one flight? And what would you say was the most likely cause? And oh yeah, is there any specific reason we couldn't GTFO? Weight distribution? Payback? Nobody would tell us anything, its a mystery. That's some crazy shit right there. The crew would usually IFE if they lost one engine in flight, three that is some crazy shit thats pretty much NEVER happens. As to you guys getting out, the crew was primarily concerned with following the emergency checklist, dumping excess gas, and landing the damn plane to let you guys make your jump. As to the cause of losing three engines in flight could have been a number of things either mechanical or hell myabe they hit a flock of birds and all three engines FODed out. As to a Herk flying on one motor, I don't know how far they can go that way but I'd assume not very far, that's some lucky shit. I did some payload / drag / range research on some earlier models. I don't know about the payload / fuel load for troopers on practice jumps, but do know if the older models are loaded up, you are not going far at all on one engine. Hopefully the later models had MUCH more efficient engines, and MUCH more power in reserve. |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 9:17:00 AM EDT
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While working on the aircraft have you ever discovered anything left hidden away by a long ago crewman? Something like a photo or note? Maybe a tool or pocket knife? after I'd gone from working the flight line to working Isochronal Inspection Dock down at Dyess a few of us were pulling up a fwd center cargo floor panel up as part of a no4 major depanel. So we pull up the panel and are looking around at the under floor heating ducts, the spars, checking for bad nutplates, etc what do we find but a paint brush with a four inch long handle that some poor schmuck had left down in there the last time the bird went through a Depot inspection, which had been about a year earlier Another time one of our ISO E/E troops was taking apart the flight deck A/C system and pulled out a set of A/C inlet and exhaust plugs from the duct work that had been sucked in over in the desert, due to the yellow color instead of homestation red, when somebody turned on the A/C and didn't chekc to see if the plugs had been removed. The crazy part was that the plane had been home form the desert for about 6 months and had no flight deck A/C write ups at all You'd find some crazy stuff on desert return BPO's–––– British Maxim and Stuff magazines, pocet knives, Haji soda and water, etc Finds on BPOs in the desert would include: loaded 30rd STANAG magazines, loose 5.56 M855 ammo, loose 9mm ammo, headsets left behind not marked by an asshole co-pilot ( that became my second headset) Another time we had to impound a jet because some doumbass 19yr old A1C loadmaster lost his M9, turns out he left it on top of a pallet in Iraq That was figured out after we spend four hours looking for it all over the interior of the jet
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Posted: 10/11/2011 9:23:49 AM EDT
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Just before I got out (fall '85) Christine was in Fuel Smell for work on #2 main. After midnight shift change, Evening shift was wondering where AMN Joe was. They found him dead in the tank. They surmised He thought He could go in & locate a lost tool all by His lonesome & against all the Regs. I knew He must have called Her a pig. I told You she didn't like "Specialists"!!! The Ol' crew Chief You know this as fact? I heard this story when i first came in (82) This was Sep of '85. Never heard about the earlier one. Wow, maybe She had more than 1 victim She was slated for a week of "Heavy Maintenance", so I was sent to NCO Prep School. One of My Class Mates was a Victor 7 Weenie & said: "Did You hear about the Fuel Smell Weenie They found dead in the fuel tank?" & the hair stood-up on the back of My neck! I asked if it was the Bird in the barn closest to the flightline & He said yeah. I cut the news blurb out of both the local & base paper, but only Gawd knows where they are in My wreck of a house. The Ol' Crew Chief I would be interested in a copy of those articles if you ever come across them. I heard the story about the guy when i went through fuel cell tech school but i have never heard any details. |
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