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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:29:28 PM
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THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Unconfirmed chatter supposedly from a reliable source within the industry is hinting that there is a vastly improved ACR called version 2 is coming out, possibly not made by Bushmaster and possibly only available to .Mil / Leo etc. So either Bushmaster is discontinuing the ACR for the public as we know it and Remington or someone else is turning out a revised ACR that will be unobtainable or Bushmaster will continue the current ACR production which will look like crap compared to the one we can't have. Then there is talk about major issues with the ACR concerning the selector switch / possible recall. Finally there is some talk about Magpul or someone else finally producing and releasing the Massada. Who knows.Rumor is that something big will go public concerning the ACR around Sept / Oct.
UPDATE: A member here has stated that he saw an ad on TOS for the Magpul Masada. Interestingly enough, Bushmaster's site is down. The ad has since disappeared. It would appear that something is happening. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:36:50 PM
If they don't dramatically drop that price, it wont matter.
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skebe
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:38:52 PM
Is this a "two weeks" sort of thing?
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:39:56 PM
How is the RobArms lawsuit going?
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:40:26 PM
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Is this a "two weeks" sort of thing? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Two months. So we'll all be dead by then. |
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Chris_C
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:40:41 PM
I'll bet there is a certain banned dealer already taking peoples money on "pre-orders".
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metalsaber
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:41:13 PM
Will the price be suggested at one price but come out higher?
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tyman
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:41:40 PM
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
Recently there's been rumors floating around about Busmaster's ACR, and a revised model that may be coming out. IMO, and after owning one, there's no doubt that the ACR needs tweaking. I don't think there's any question that a revised model will eventually show up. Whether or not this will happen next month or in October remains unseen. With that said, I was given this information earlier surronding the rumor. Unconfirmed chatter supposedly from a reliable source within the industry is hinting that there is a vastly improved ACR called version 2 is coming out, possibly not made by Bushmaster and possibly only available to .Mil / Leo etc. So either Bushmaster is discontinuing the ACR for the public as we know it and Remington or someone else is turning out a revised ACR that will be unobtainable or Bushmaster will continue the current ACR production which will look like crap compared to the one we can't have. Then there is talk about major issues with the ACR concerning the selector switch / possible recall. Finally there is some talk about Magpul or someone else finally producing and releasing the Massada. Who knows.Rumor is that something big will go public concerning the ACR around Sept / Oct.
UPDATE: A member here has stated that he saw an ad on TOS for the Magpul Masada. Interestingly enough, Bushmaster's site is down. The ad has since disappeared. It would appear that something is happening. If the bold is true, then why should we care?  |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:47:07 PM
Well ok, but I'm not going to hold my breath like I did last time. That was quite uncomfortable.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:48:41 PM
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Originally Posted By tyman: snipped If the bold is true, then why should we care? Just because its le/mil only doesn't mean we wouldn't be able to get them. Plenty of PD's won't want to mess with FA versions so semi's will be available. It may be hard to find a dealer that will sell it to you, but they will be out their. |
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Gixxersixxer
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:49:56 PM
Is Ghetto going to buy one?
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tyman
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:50:12 PM
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By tyman:
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If the bold is true, then why should we care? Just because its le/mil only doesn't mean we wouldn't be able to get them. Plenty of PD's won't want to mess with FA versions so semi's will be available. It may be hard to find a dealer that will sell it to you, but they will be out their. Meh, I'm not impressed with a $2,500 Masada. If/when they hit $1,000, someone alert the Bat signal. |
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jaqufrost
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:52:28 PM
I agree, they cost too much. I'd still like to have one, if I ever find one used for the right price I'll pick it up.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:56:22 PM
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wombat25
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:57:29 PM
OP, I suspect you're on to something.
There's been total radio silence from Bushmaster on anything ACR-related lately. Everyone blamed the 'move,' but hell companies move all over the world all of the time with less disruption that what we've seen in the past few months. Likewise, Magpul has been rumored to be working on some "jaw-dropping" new stuff in the past few months. Reportedly much bigger than Iphone cases and new t-shirts. There are supposed to be significant announcements between now and SHOT. I get the feeling that this is with regard to something bigger than a new grip or handguard. I don't know anything. But I wouldn't be surprised if what you're suggesting is true. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:58:07 PM
are they going to start making some of the parts out of gold to match the price ?
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oldschool63
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:58:20 PM
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screw them they can keep it been jerked around one to many times with the masada BS
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Posted: 8/30/2011 6:59:58 PM
Originally Posted By skebe: Is this a "two weeks" sort of thing? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:01:39 PM
This is an example of facts being misformed into fiction in a bad version of the childhood game "telephone."
Bushmaster offers an LEO version of the ACR with a chrome lined barrel and few other differences from the civilian version. T |
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TLD05
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:04:40 PM
Originally Posted By wombat25:
OP, I suspect you're on to something. There's been total radio silence from Bushmaster on anything ACR-related lately. Everyone blamed the 'move,' but hell companies move all over the world all of the time with less disruption that what we've seen in the past few months. Likewise, Magpul has been rumored to be working on some "jaw-dropping" new stuff in the past few months. Reportedly much bigger than Iphone cases and new t-shirts. There are supposed to be significant announcements between now and SHOT. I get the feeling that this is with regard to something bigger than a new grip or handguard. I don't know anything. But I wouldn't be surprised if what you're suggesting is true. Cool. Then they can sell the huge awesome good rifle to some fuckups so they can water it down, shit all over it, increase the price and close down production a few months later. Again. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:05:49 PM
omg not this shit again.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:07:05 PM
AR15 > whatever the fuck Magpul shits out.
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LARRYG
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:08:24 PM
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By tyman:
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If the bold is true, then why should we care? Just because its le/mil only doesn't mean we wouldn't be able to get them. Plenty of PD's won't want to mess with FA versions so semi's will be available. It may be hard to find a dealer that will sell it to you, but they will be out their. So, you are okay with spending your money on something that the manufacturer (who gets your money) doesn't want you to have but you can get on the sly? |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:08:56 PM
Originally Posted By lowbeyond:
omg not this shit again. +1. the shooting world has been dicked over so much by the masada/acr debacle that they have lost a TON of interest. i'll consider it again when i finally see 'em in person, on the dealer shelf with a affordable price tag. until then it's all just white noise. -rb |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:10:37 PM
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
I'll bet there is a certain banned dealer already taking peoples money on "pre-orders". Back story? |
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wombat25
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By TLD05:
Originally Posted By wombat25:
Snip Cool. Then they can sell the huge awesome good rifle to some fuckups so they can water it down, shit all over it, increase the price and close down production a few months later. Again. Call the whambulance, people. We have another victim here. Yeah, it was two years ago that Bushmaster debuted the ACR. But the memories, the pain, the butthurt, I guess it lasts forever. So many young lives.  |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:14:07 PM
MS3 is supposed to be out soon. Precision rifle DVD is due any minute now. Put me down for both of those. No idea what else they are up to, but after the Masada chaos, I don't blame them for trying to stay mum about these things.
The Bushmaster Masada? No thanks. That ship has sailed. Magpul made it pretty clear that the Masada was a huge gamble. Maybe Shrubby should have paid attention and put the better model out only, at a lower price, and skipped the cheaper version completely. I think a custom BCM AR works better for me anyways. And won't cost more than a LMT .308 either. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:17:55 PM
A Magpul Masada based .308 DMR possibly. Probably will cost $3500 and not shoot well with bullets over 150gr.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:26:37 PM
Whatever they poop out, I guarantee it will be overpriced.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:27:42 PM
Originally Posted By tyman:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By tyman:
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If the bold is true, then why should we care? Just because its le/mil only doesn't mean we wouldn't be able to get them. Plenty of PD's won't want to mess with FA versions so semi's will be available. It may be hard to find a dealer that will sell it to you, but they will be out their. Meh, I'm not impressed with a $2,500 Masada. If/when they hit $1,000, someone alert the Bat signal. In their current configuration, they are not worth even $1,000 of my money.  |
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TCBA_Joe
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:49:50 PM
Originally Posted By tyman:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By tyman:
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If the bold is true, then why should we care? Just because its le/mil only doesn't mean we wouldn't be able to get them. Plenty of PD's won't want to mess with FA versions so semi's will be available. It may be hard to find a dealer that will sell it to you, but they will be out their. Meh, I'm not impressed with a $2,500 Masada. If/when they hit $1,000, someone alert the Bat signal. You're asking for a modern EBR at the price of a basic BCM, DD, or Colt 6920. 
Considering a SCAR-16 is $2200, an SR15 is $1800, LWRCs are $1800, etc... I'm sure that you won't be seeing the ACR/Masada for $1K or less. People are willing to spend good money on good rifles (look at the SCAR threads with guys putting down money on SCARs, bbl cutting, lasers, surefires, and Elcan Spectres). However, the quality ad company support MUST be in line with what they're charging. The weight, lack of options and support, bbl profile and twist, all made the rifle too expensive, not the (street) price. You're essentially asking BM/Rem to release a 3rd generation combat rifle that mirrors the quality of an Olympic arms rifle. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 7:59:56 PM
Call me when Magpul starts selling the PDR.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 8:02:50 PM
The only good that will come out of this is another angry Hitler video on Youtube. Masada = fail. It's too bad Magpul let Bushmaster taint it.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 8:05:07 PM
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Call me when Magpul starts selling the PDR. THIS!!! |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 8:06:15 PM
I lusted after the Masada
severe disappointment when it was sold to Shrubmaster Saved my money and bought a FN SCAR, FN PS90, and a FS2000 instead. No need for the Masada or anything like it anymore. SCAR does just fine. Lots of mistakes on this debacle Buying a FN SCAR however was NOT a mistake. Couldn't be happier......Sorry Magpul / Shrubmaster....Snooze .....you lose. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 8:06:39 PM
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By tyman:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By tyman:
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If the bold is true, then why should we care? Just because its le/mil only doesn't mean we wouldn't be able to get them. Plenty of PD's won't want to mess with FA versions so semi's will be available. It may be hard to find a dealer that will sell it to you, but they will be out their. Meh, I'm not impressed with a $2,500 Masada. If/when they hit $1,000, someone alert the Bat signal. You're asking for a modern EBR at the price of a basic BCM, DD, or Colt 6920.
Considering a SCAR-16 is $2200, an SR15 is $1800, LWRCs are $1800, etc... I'm sure that you won't be seeing the ACR/Masada for $1K or less. People are willing to spend good money on good rifles (look at the SCAR threads with guys putting down money on SCARs, bbl cutting, lasers, surefires, and Elcan Spectres). However, the quality ad company support MUST be in line with what they're charging. The weight, lack of options and support, bbl profile and twist, all made the rifle too expensive, not the (street) price. You're essentially asking BM/Rem to release a 3rd generation combat rifle that mirrors the quality of an Olympic arms rifle. Its already pretty lacking in quality IMO, especially compared with its main rival, the SCAR 16S. The ACR is something that would have been SO EASY to do right, and yet was still done SO WRONG. Pretty incredible that a rifle manufacturer as big as Bushmaster didn't have their fingers closer to the pulse on that one. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 8:33:04 PM
Originally Posted By drew5337: Its already pretty lacking in quality IMO, especially compared with its main rival, the SCAR 16S. The ACR is something that would have been SO EASY to do right, and yet was still done SO WRONG. Pretty incredible that a rifle manufacturer as big as Bushmaster didn't have their fingers closer to the pulse on that one. Just how big do you think Shrub was? At the end, when it was finally shut down and everything moved to Ilion, NY, Shrub was 68 people. While I poke fun at Bushmaster, their products were good, but could have been great. Now they are Remington, the same people who sell a stock made of recycled plastic that costs them under $1.00 in material for an MSRP of $70.00. The whole ACR/Masada debacle was more Freedom Group than Shrub. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:11:45 PM
Interdadsting, was about to pick one up too, I happen to like the gun... If there is another version I'll get that too... I'm a gun collector after all!
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:22:29 PM
Maybe the Massoud? My faith in Magpul dabbling in the manufacturing of firearms is kind of lacking. I always doubted Bushmaster but I guarantee the Masada as delivered was far from perfect.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:25:38 PM
I would rather have a PDR than a new ACR.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:28:48 PM
Sounds to me that this could just be that the Remington version is about to come out? If so, that word has been out a while.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:30:23 PM
Sounds to me that this could just be that the Remington version is about to come out? If so, that word has been out a while.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:31:07 PM
glad to see im not the only one who was turned off by the Magpul/Bushmaster deal.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:36:55 PM
I can't say how I know, and I'm taking a risk even spilling it, but I have it on good authority that Magpul is going to be coming out with semi-auto versions of the AFG/FPG in 7.62x25 that uses a Tokarev slide instead of Glock, and takes cheap PPSh magazines.
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:37:22 PM
It's been reported that Remington has pulled all photo's of the ACR off their site...
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:37:54 PM
Originally Posted By Buliwyf:
MS3 is supposed to be out soon. Precision rifle DVD is due any minute now. Put me down for both of those. No idea what else they are up to, but after the Masada chaos, I don't blame them for trying to stay mum about these things. The Bushmaster Masada? No thanks. That ship has sailed. Magpul made it pretty clear that the Masada was a huge gamble. Maybe Shrubby should have paid attention and put the better model out only, at a lower price, and skipped the cheaper version completely. I think a custom BCM AR works better for me anyways. And won't cost more than a LMT .308 either. MS3 was supposed to be out soon for the past 2 years. Believe it when I see it on a store's shelf. |
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TLD05
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:39:10 PM
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
It's been reported that Remington has pulled all photo's of the ACR off their site... Well that should be easy to substantiate. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:39:11 PM
so they are gonna take the acr, remove the fsb, and replace everything underneathe it?
fuck that hunk of plastic shit |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:40:31 PM
Originally Posted By TLD05:
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
It's been reported that Remington has pulled all photo's of the ACR off their site... Well that should be easy to substantiate. Yep... 
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:47:39 PM
Bushmaster fucking this rifle up so bad just killed it for me. $1500 to $2500 sucked balls to. I have also aged since then and discovered that all of my ARs launch the 5.56 very accurately and reliably. |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 9:48:10 PM
[Last Edit: 8/30/2011 9:49:37 PM by SkyCatII]
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
It's been reported that Remington has pulled all photo's of the ACR off their site... Bushmaster's page is down for me, and all of the ACR pics (with the exception of the entry to the Remington Mil page) on Remington's pages are red x's for me. ETA: the photos of all of their other weapons are still up on remingtonmilitary.com, just not the ACRs. Interesting. |
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