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RyJones I don't hate you, I just don't care Team Member Joined: Nov 2002  WA, USA Posts: 11011 Feedback: 100% (2)	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:41:34 PM [Last Edit: 8/11/2011 5:38:36 PM by RyJones] THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT To me, it looks like the remains of this rifle are gigantic. From MSNBC ETA: The EOTech is on correctly, but severely damaged. Here's a chop mfingar did to show it:
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Notcalifornialegal Evil Banker Team Member Joined: Sep 2009  KS, USA Posts: 2191 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:42:31 PM [Last Edit: 8/11/2011 4:29:44 PM by Notcalifornialegal] Edit
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SouthEndXGF Gets Drunk, Wanders Off. Team Member Joined: Oct 2009  TX, USA Posts: 15519 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:43:05 PM Looks like H&K stamped on it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
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Cavalry99 Lost in space Team Member Joined: Feb 2006  USA Posts: 4676 Feedback: 100% (56) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:43:38 PM Picture looks shopped as hell, and it looks like the EoTech is on backwards on what was formerly a HK416/417?
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USMCTanker Disgruntled GySgt in the IRR Team Member Joined: Jan 2008  ID, USA Posts: 4814 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:43:56 PM Originally Posted By SouthEndXGF: Looks like H&K stamped on it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's an HK416. The Eotech looks like it's on backwards. Surely not.
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Casimir_Pulaski Member Team Member Joined: Jul 2010  AR, USA Posts: 1590 Feedback: 100% (31) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:44:05 PM WTF?
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Cavalry99 Lost in space Team Member Joined: Feb 2006  USA Posts: 4677 Feedback: 100% (56) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:44:45 PM And look how fucked up that shadow is!! WTF!
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microsuck1 Atwell Tactical Team Member Joined: Jan 2006  TX, USA Posts: 1125 Feedback: 100% (13) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:45:06 PM backwards optic and rope through the receiver does not compute.
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leatherpuke Who farted? Team Member Joined: Aug 2004  KS, USA Posts: 3969 Feedback: 100% (26) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:45:11 PM Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: The fucking optic is on backwards. Yeah, what the fuck?
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www-glock19-com Member Team Member Joined: Sep 2001  NE, USA Posts: 31589 Feedback: 100% (50) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:45:14 PM Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By SouthEndXGF: Looks like H&K stamped on it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's an HK416. The Eotech looks like it's on backwards. Surely not. staged shot Im guessing
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Gearhead1940 Member Joined: Feb 2009  WA, USA Posts: 1031 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:45:59 PM Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: The fucking optic is on backwards. Tier 1 / SuperSecretSquirrel shit? Or is Haji trying to piece himself together an AR?
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TheYellowThing Eye on the sammich Team Member Joined: Sep 2008  AZ, USA Posts: 2688 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:46:04 PM Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: The fucking optic is on backwards. WTF? It is.
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Garand_Shooter Dealer of fine surplus goods..... Dealer Joined: Nov 2000  NC, USA Posts: 23047 Feedback: 100% (62) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:46:18 PM Obvious staged photo is obvious.
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Grey_Man Member Joined: Dec 2009  MD, USA Posts: 1341 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:46:20 PM Yeah I see what you mean. It is bigger than that guy in black.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 3:46:26 PM Originally Posted By www-glock19-com: Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By SouthEndXGF: Looks like H&K stamped on it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's an HK416. The Eotech looks like it's on backwards. Surely not. staged shot Im guessing Has to be. As the poster above us said, the rope through the upper doesn't "compute". Either the locals were fucking with it or the photographer.

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Spookfish Member Joined: Nov 2009  WA, USA Posts: 535 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:46:53 PM It's a plant!
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EasTexan Ban children, it's for the guns. Team Member Joined: Jan 2009  TX, USA Posts: 7785 Feedback: 100% (23) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:47:24 PM Rope?
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TheYellowThing Eye on the sammich Team Member Joined: Sep 2008  AZ, USA Posts: 2689 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:47:29 PM What is all the engraving in the front of the mag well?
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Posted: 8/11/2011 3:49:26 PM Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By www-glock19-com: Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By SouthEndXGF: Looks like H&K stamped on it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's an HK416. The Eotech looks like it's on backwards. Surely not. staged shot Im guessing Has to be. As the poster above us said, the rope through the upper doesn't "compute". Either the locals were fucking with it or the photographer. Yeah, it looks like someone has messed with it since it was initially recovered by whomever found it.

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wilNva Member Joined: Aug 2004  SC, USA Posts: 86 Feedback: 100% (9) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:49:40 PM What's with the kid pissing in the background? I doubt that's a real pic of anything more then some capfire that they tossed some crap in and called it a crash site. The rope thru the receiver looks like it's attached as a handle to carry it, if you follow the rope it looks liike it also attaches to the pistol grip area somewhere.
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4v50 Member Team Member Joined: Nov 2000  CA, USA Posts: 22457 Feedback: 100% (5) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:51:41 PM Amateur Hour at the Whine House continues. It gives credence to some sort of conspiracy theory.
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WI57 Breath, Relax, Aim, Squeeze... Team Member Joined: Dec 2006  WI, USA Posts: 4580 Feedback: 100% (15) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:53:19 PM Lots of trauma to break the threads off the upper, break the stock tube off the lower, and crack the trigger guard. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
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USMCTanker Disgruntled GySgt in the IRR Team Member Joined: Jan 2008  ID, USA Posts: 4816 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:53:21 PM Originally Posted By TheYellowThing: What is all the engraving in the front of the mag well? "WARNING READ OPERATORS MANUAL BEFORE USE" ?
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dalesimpson I come with the truth. Team Member Joined: Aug 2004  WI, USA Posts: 8329 Feedback: 100% (59) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:54:00 PM Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter: Obvious staged photo is obvious. Come on. You guys aren't actually suggesting that the media would stage a photo are you?
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Pi_r_Round Cornbread r2 Team Member Joined: Jan 2011  VA, USA Posts: 398 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:54:06 PM Originally Posted By microsuck1: backwards optic and rope through the receiver does not compute. This
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Dehammer Member Joined: Jul 2004  AZ, USA Posts: 2882 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:54:12 PM That is a poorly staged shot.
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torstin Member Joined: Sep 2001  PA, USA Posts: 6949 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:54:28 PM ooh..is there a conspiracy theory here somewhere?
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88_Sahara Member Joined: Jun 2008  VA, USA Posts: 1375 Feedback: 100% (15) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:54:33 PM The log is has a nice straight cut too.
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RayGunz2 Inherently Rebellious Team Member Joined: Nov 2006  OH, USA Posts: 5197 Feedback: 100% (292) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:55:16 PM WTF? Strange indeed.
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7mm-08 Member Joined: Jan 2006  GA, USA Posts: 2891 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:57:29 PM Broken weapon looks big because it takes a BADASS MOTHERFUCKER to tote one in those mountains. RIP As for the gun part looking big...its just the optical illusion of shooting a wide angle lens with the foreground close to the lens...just like the silly dog pictures. 7mm
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itstock Member Team Member Joined: Feb 2007  PA, USA Posts: 2023 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:58:20 PM [Last Edit: 8/11/2011 10:55:33 PM by itstock] Originally Posted By 7mm-08: Broken weapon looks big because it takes a BADASS MOTHERFUCKER to tote one in those mountains. RIP As for the gun part looking big...its just the optical illusion of shooting a wide angle lens with the foreground close to the lens...just like the silly dog pictures. 7mm Is that tier one shit?
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Kaygee Member Joined: Jul 2008  GBR Posts: 1923 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:58:44 PM Is that a untouched water bottle and drinks can in the background too?
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Posted: 8/11/2011 3:59:02 PM [Last Edit: 8/11/2011 4:00:32 PM by USMCTanker] Originally Posted By WI57: Lots of trauma to break the threads off the upper, break the stock tube off the lower, and crack the trigger guard. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Absolutely. One of the stories coming out from the beginning was that the helo was shot down from quite an altitude as the bodies were not recognizable and were quite intertwined with the wreckage. To me, it sounded like it wasn't shot down by a lucky RPG round-at least that's what was implied by the report (FNC, Jennifer Griffith) last weekend. To put this in context, I know an armorer at Gowen Field who is in the ID ANG. When he was a young Marine in South Korea in the '80s, he was given the task of "cleaning" the body parts off of M16A2s and M249 SAWs that had burned flesh fused with the weapons after the aircraft carrying the Marines crashed-some of you may remember that. He has pictures of the weapons after he "cleaned" them. They are intact for the most part, but rusty from heat and the plastic gone. I don't remember if the aircraft was a '46 or '53, but many died, and those that survived were badly injured. ETA: Something about this incident doesn't add up at all.

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CBleezie Member Joined: Sep 2010  ID, USA Posts: 234 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 3:59:20 PM What else do you expect from MSNBC.
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Dehammer Member Joined: Jul 2004  AZ, USA Posts: 2883 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 4:00:29 PM Originally Posted By torstin: ooh..is there a conspiracy theory here somewhere? Obvious conspiracy to fake a photo. Somebody went through great efforts to stage it for a purpose.
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IcarusY625 We aim to please Team Member Joined: Jul 2006  GBR Posts: 8696 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 4:01:50 PM Originally Posted By arowneragain: The backwards eothingy is weird. You don't mean...........................Bruce Willis is down?
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3Trip Member Joined: Apr 2010  FL, USA Posts: 2240 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 4:03:06 PM you know what, I think that is a crash site... that is to say, the site where they crashed for the night.
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TheYellowThing Eye on the sammich Team Member Joined: Sep 2008  AZ, USA Posts: 2690 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 4:03:20 PM Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By TheYellowThing: What is all the engraving in the front of the mag well? "WARNING READ OPERATORS MANUAL BEFORE USE" ? Is this standard on all military weapons?
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schizrade 255.255.255.257... TCPwned Team Member Joined: Aug 2004  NV, USA Posts: 20182 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 4:03:22 PM Fucking MSNBC. This pic will be slathered all over facebook and the net by superpatriots and USA haters alike.
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morrisammo_1 Member Team Member Joined: Jul 2005  TX, USA Posts: 176 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 4:05:35 PM Could be the locals scrounging scrap metal, and the put the scope of,, just to drag it around,, 3rd world has been, picking up all kinds of military metal for years! Not trying to back up MSNBC,,, by any stretch of the imagination.. just saying,,
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torstin Member Joined: Sep 2001  PA, USA Posts: 6950 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/11/2011 4:06:45 PM Originally Posted By Dehammer: Obvious conspiracy to fake a photo. Somebody went through great efforts to stage it for a purpose. is that a topographic map that's been overlayed onto the left piece of wreckage?
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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:07:17 PM Originally Posted By TheYellowThing: Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By TheYellowThing: What is all the engraving in the front of the mag well? "WARNING READ OPERATORS MANUAL BEFORE USE" ? Is this standard on all military weapons? Not as far as I know, but I've never touched a real 416 that I can remember. I really don't know what it says, and that's why I left the question mark there. I googled images of HK416s, and all I was able to find in terms of a close up shot was airsoft replicas. Granted, some of them are damn accurate copies, but it's still just airsoft and there's no way to know if the markings are duplicated exactly or not without seeing the real thing.

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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:07:19 PM Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By WI57: Lots of trauma to break the threads off the upper, break the stock tube off the lower, and crack the trigger guard. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Absolutely. One of the stories coming out from the beginning was that the helo was shot down from quite an altitude as the bodies were not recognizable and were quite intertwined with the wreckage. To me, it sounded like it wasn't shot down by a lucky RPG round-at least that's what was implied by the report (FNC, Jennifer Griffith) last weekend. To put this in context, I know an armorer at Gowen Field who is in the ID ANG. When he was a young Marine in South Korea in the '80s, he was given the task of "cleaning" the body parts off of M16A2s and M249 SAWs that had burned flesh fused with the weapons after the aircraft carrying the Marines crashed-some of you may remember that. He has pictures of the weapons after he "cleaned" them. They are intact for the most part, but rusty from heat and the plastic gone. I don't remember if the aircraft was a '46 or '53, but many died, and those that survived were badly injured. ETA: Something about this incident doesn't add up at all. there has been a few pics turn up over the years from IEDs of M4s with no barrel and no stock

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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:07:24 PM Originally Posted By Dehammer: Originally Posted By torstin: ooh..is there a conspiracy theory here somewhere? Obvious conspiracy to fake a photo. Somebody went through great efforts to stage it for a purpose. Photo credit is to an AP photographer with an Afghan name. First photos from crash site= big $$$$$. Lack of journalistic integrity from a regional photographer+ desire for money= staged shot to get the most dramtic photo to sell. Not unlike the picture of the lady in Iraq holding the "bullets" that were shot at her home.

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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:10:42 PM Originally Posted By torstin: Originally Posted By Dehammer: Obvious conspiracy to fake a photo. Somebody went through great efforts to stage it for a purpose. is that a topographic map that's been overlayed onto the left piece of wreckage? No. Those are either stress lines in the aluminum or remnants of dirt. Whoever collected this stuff was just after the scrap metal.

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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:11:18 PM Originally Posted By www-glock19-com: Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By WI57: Lots of trauma to break the threads off the upper, break the stock tube off the lower, and crack the trigger guard. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Absolutely. One of the stories coming out from the beginning was that the helo was shot down from quite an altitude as the bodies were not recognizable and were quite intertwined with the wreckage. To me, it sounded like it wasn't shot down by a lucky RPG round-at least that's what was implied by the report (FNC, Jennifer Griffith) last weekend. To put this in context, I know an armorer at Gowen Field who is in the ID ANG. When he was a young Marine in South Korea in the '80s, he was given the task of "cleaning" the body parts off of M16A2s and M249 SAWs that had burned flesh fused with the weapons after the aircraft carrying the Marines crashed-some of you may remember that. He has pictures of the weapons after he "cleaned" them. They are intact for the most part, but rusty from heat and the plastic gone. I don't remember if the aircraft was a '46 or '53, but many died, and those that survived were badly injured. ETA: Something about this incident doesn't add up at all. there has been a few pics turn up over the years from IEDs of M4s with no barrel and no stock I've posted pics here of destroyed small arms I've seen in person. No barrels, no stocks, barrels bent, you name it. That is the one thing in this pic that doesn't raise the BS flag...

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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:12:12 PM The more I look, the worse this gets: The bolt is missing from the upper receiver. There's no way to remove the bolt without taking the carrier, too, unless the pin sheared, which is highly doubtful. So if the bolt came off with the barrel, the carrier would have had to have been pulled through the front of the upper, which would have left a giant mangled hole in the front of the upper. If the bolt didn't go with the barrel, there's no reason it wouldn't have stayed in the receiver, because it wouldn't have went out the back. This photo has to be fake. The chances of a rifle being subjected to the sorts of stress that would shear the receiver off at the threads, AND break the stock off, AND melt the finish off in places, then it landing out in the open away from other wreckage is virtually nonexistent.

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Posted: 8/11/2011 4:13:38 PM Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter: Originally Posted By Dehammer: Originally Posted By torstin: ooh..is there a conspiracy theory here somewhere? Obvious conspiracy to fake a photo. Somebody went through great efforts to stage it for a purpose. Photo credit is to an AP photographer with an Afghan name. First photos from crash site= big $$$$$. Lack of journalistic integrity from a regional photographer+ desire for money= staged shot to get the most dramtic photo to sell. Not unlike the picture of the lady in Iraq holding the "bullets" that were shot at her home. Empty brass photo comes to mind.

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