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Link Posted: 7/26/2011 4:03:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
Originally Posted By iScream:

Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

For instance, I find my wife to be incredibly attractive. However, when she's walking around the house getting ready to go out and all she's wearing is a pair of panties (or nothing at all) it's not arousing to me. Mostly, I would guess, because she;'s busy finding the right bra or looking for a hair clip or something mundane, she's not trying to be sexy. It's the same with strange women, they don't suddenly become sexy just because I don't know them and they are nude.

Frankly, if I got aroused every time I saw my wife naked we'd never go anywhere.

To me, it's just about self control. If any guy can look at his sister without popping a tent in his pants then he should be able to do the same for any other situation. It is possible to look at, appreciate, and think a nice female body is sexy without getting aroused or starting to imagine doing naughty things with her. Don't want over share here but I've got a thing for short, tight skirts and stockings. I sure notice that in public but it doesn't make me lose my head and suddenly turn into some kind of creep.



Me too. I just don't know why it always bites when I try to pet it.

Any time you just grab a kitty, it will try to get away. Sometimes if you just ignore them they will come over and start rubbing up against you for attention.

Link Posted: 7/26/2011 4:04:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By MarkNH:

Originally Posted By SGocka:
Originally Posted By ARDestructo:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.

There are actually places in this world where the human body is not in itself considered to be profane.

Crazy, I know.


It's not a matter of it being profane, it's a matter of not letting every sicko in NY see your 14 year old daughter's tits.

Who cares, they're just tits, half the world's population have them.


This. Not sure why it's such a big deal

Link Posted: 7/26/2011 4:05:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By iScream:

Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
Originally Posted By iScream:

Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

For instance, I find my wife to be incredibly attractive. However, when she's walking around the house getting ready to go out and all she's wearing is a pair of panties (or nothing at all) it's not arousing to me. Mostly, I would guess, because she;'s busy finding the right bra or looking for a hair clip or something mundane, she's not trying to be sexy. It's the same with strange women, they don't suddenly become sexy just because I don't know them and they are nude.

Frankly, if I got aroused every time I saw my wife naked we'd never go anywhere.

To me, it's just about self control. If any guy can look at his sister without popping a tent in his pants then he should be able to do the same for any other situation. It is possible to look at, appreciate, and think a nice female body is sexy without getting aroused or starting to imagine doing naughty things with her. Don't want over share here but I've got a thing for short, tight skirts and stockings. I sure notice that in public but it doesn't make me lose my head and suddenly turn into some kind of creep.



Me too. I just don't know why it always bites when I try to pet it.

Any time you just grab a kitty, it will try to get away. Sometimes if you just ignore them they will come over and start rubbing up against you for attention.



That's a BAD KITTY!!!!!!
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 4:54:57 AM EST
OP here. Just to clarify, I never said the 14 year old didn't have breasts. Although I made an effort not to look directly, it was clear that she did in fact possess boobs.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 4:57:44 AM EST
I would have looked. I might be the only one in this thread to admit it, but dammit, I'm human.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:05:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By Vaux:
Not intended as a slam. You'd be surprised at the way nudity is viewed in other parts of the world. The first time I left the US, I flew into Munich, Germany. I was jet-lagging my ass off and got driven into the center of town where I was waiting on another family member who was coming in on a later flight. So I'm sitting on a park bench in English Garden (a big public park), drinking a beer, and eating some food, when I notice a couple of dudes playing frisbee about 50 yards away from me... completely naked... wangs flopping around as they chased the disc. Right as I realize what's going on, a group of nuns walks by between me and them. They took no notice, just kept calmy and slowly strolling by having a conversation among themselves. It was surreal. Now, when I'm in Europe, I don't even notice that shit anymore.


I knew you looked familiar! Seriously, I don't walk around naked, but the Germans here at the lakes do it all the time. English Garden is famous for the nude sunbathing. It's right be the US Consulate General too...

And yes, they can drink beer in public too.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:07:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/26/2011 5:09:57 AM EST by DedoBOT]
Overhere ,its common. Topless and non-topless girls,chicks,wiminz are 50/50.When I'm at the seaside, my face is like .

I like it

Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:08:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By mcantu:
its only child porn if its sexual in nature.


Ask the woman who was arrested for taking pics of her 4 year old in the bathtub.

It depends on the jurisdiction AND how anxious the prosecutor is to make a name for himself.

Good call, OP.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:13:24 AM EST
Are you sure you have no photos of this "14yo", maybe she wasn't 14. There are 18yos who could pass as 14.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:17:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Are you sure you have no photos of this "14yo", maybe she wasn't 14. There are 18yos who could pass as 14.
Hmm, the opposite is more frequently. Most of 14yo in a swimsuit or topless looks like +18yo . Probably cause of Chernobyl's disaster

Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:20:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
OP here. Just to clarify, I never said the 14 year old didn't have breasts. Although I made an effort not to look directly, it was clear that she did in fact possess boobs.


OMG - a female with breasts!

Really OP, take trip on the culture express and have a glass of wine on the way.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:25:11 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:40:22 AM EST
Wasn't there a trucker who was arrested for taking a cell phone photo of a girl who flashed him as she passed his truck? Cop pulled the car over and when he found the girl was a minor proceeded pull over the trucker and arrested him for possessing child porn. If a minor flashes you you can only get in trouble if you take a photo..
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 5:58:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By DedoBOT:
Overhere ,its common. Topless and non-topless girls,chicks,wiminz are 50/50.When I'm at the seaside, my face is like .

I like it



I always thought that was why really dark sunglasses were invented.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 6:02:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.



not every country is obsessed about hiding the human body as we are

I recall the first time I went to a brittish beach in the mid 80s as a kid and was surprised to see pretty much every child and mother topless, from babies, teens, adults etc and it was just an average beach.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 6:09:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By mike-munich:
Originally Posted By Vaux:
Not intended as a slam. You'd be surprised at the way nudity is viewed in other parts of the world. The first time I left the US, I flew into Munich, Germany. I was jet-lagging my ass off and got driven into the center of town where I was waiting on another family member who was coming in on a later flight. So I'm sitting on a park bench in English Garden (a big public park), drinking a beer, and eating some food, when I notice a couple of dudes playing frisbee about 50 yards away from me... completely naked... wangs flopping around as they chased the disc. Right as I realize what's going on, a group of nuns walks by between me and them. They took no notice, just kept calmy and slowly strolling by having a conversation among themselves. It was surreal. Now, when I'm in Europe, I don't even notice that shit anymore.


I knew you looked familiar! Seriously, I don't walk around naked, but the Germans here at the lakes do it all the time. English Garden is famous for the nude sunbathing. It's right be the US Consulate General too...

And yes, they can drink beer in public too.




Like I said, it was my first time abroad. I knew I was going to see stuff like that but, given my half-drunk and fully-jet-lagged condition at the time, it took me a few moments to realize what I was looking at, and then a few more moments to decide if I was really seeing what I was seeing. The nuns walking by just took the WTF to the next level.

BTW: I still remember the snack I was eating at the time. I was on my third Spaten Bier and working on a big chunk of Bauernbrot with Schweinemette (sp? the pork tar-tar stuff with onions) slathered on it. It was yummy.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 7:12:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By Vaux:
Originally Posted By mike-munich:
Originally Posted By Vaux:
Not intended as a slam. You'd be surprised at the way nudity is viewed in other parts of the world. The first time I left the US, I flew into Munich, Germany. I was jet-lagging my ass off and got driven into the center of town where I was waiting on another family member who was coming in on a later flight. So I'm sitting on a park bench in English Garden (a big public park), drinking a beer, and eating some food, when I notice a couple of dudes playing frisbee about 50 yards away from me... completely naked... wangs flopping around as they chased the disc. Right as I realize what's going on, a group of nuns walks by between me and them. They took no notice, just kept calmy and slowly strolling by having a conversation among themselves. It was surreal. Now, when I'm in Europe, I don't even notice that shit anymore.


I knew you looked familiar! Seriously, I don't walk around naked, but the Germans here at the lakes do it all the time. English Garden is famous for the nude sunbathing. It's right be the US Consulate General too...

And yes, they can drink beer in public too.




Like I said, it was my first time abroad. I knew I was going to see stuff like that but, given my half-drunk and fully-jet-lagged condition at the time, it took me a few moments to realize what I was looking at, and then a few more moments to decide if I was really seeing what I was seeing. The nuns walking by just took the WTF to the next level.

BTW: I still remember the snack I was eating at the time. I was on my third Spaten Bier and working on a big chunk of Bauernbrot with Schweinemette (sp? the pork tar-tar stuff with onions) slathered on it. It was yummy.


Why did I miss that when I was in Germany. I was there for six months and saw NOTHING. You were there for hours and saw boobies.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 7:15:54 AM EST
Honestly, I'm more aroused or interested in women who are clothed. Most of the time when you see a women naked after seeing her clothed for so long it becomes a disappointment. Her boobs won't look much different than the thousands that you've already seen.

Personally, I hate wearing clothes. If I could walk around naked everywhere I went, I would- particularly this time of year.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 7:21:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Personally, I hate wearing clothes. If I could walk around naked everywhere I went, I would- particularly this time of year.


It would probably cause more people to be in shape. You wouldn't be able to hide in your clothes anymore.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 7:21:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lowjack545:

Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.



not every country is obsessed about hiding the human body as we are



when there's a 'fags suck' thread started, why does no one respond explaining that in europe no one seems to get their panties in a twist over two guys getting it on?
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 7:32:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By Paul:
Sorry but the Americans are the most prudish people next to the Muslims.


Absolutely!

You know I wonder if shame and a resentment of the human body is what makes America so plagued by obesity,

A lack of sensuality can turn someone old fast, ruin a marriage, etc..

No one should ever be offended looking at the bare skin of their own species, especially if they are in good shape, I can understand not wanting to see a 400ln woman's breasts or something
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 8:06:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
Originally Posted By Lowjack545:

Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.



not every country is obsessed about hiding the human body as we are



when there's a 'fags suck' thread started, why does no one respond explaining that in europe no one seems to get their panties in a twist over two guys getting it on?

Because nobody likes faggots and everybody likes naked chicks.


Link Posted: 7/26/2011 8:07:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By fiver:

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
Originally Posted By Lowjack545:

Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.



not every country is obsessed about hiding the human body as we are



when there's a 'fags suck' thread started, why does no one respond explaining that in europe no one seems to get their panties in a twist over two guys getting it on?

Because nobody likes faggots and everybody likes naked chicks.



Not according to some in this thread.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 8:18:24 AM EST
I personally do not care if she was topless or not. But those who are saying it is acceptable in most of the world I would also state who cares what is acceptable in the rest of the world.

In some parts of the world being a pedophile is acceptable does that mean we should think it is okay?

Gun control is acceptable in most of the world should that apply here also?

I could go on and on. If you want to argue that females should be aloud to go topless go ahead. Won't get a complaint from me But leave out what is acceptable in other countries because it is irrelevant.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 8:28:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By JMD:
I personally do not care if she was topless or not. But those who are saying it is acceptable in most of the world I would also state who cares what is acceptable in the rest of the world.

In some parts of the world being a pedophile is acceptable does that mean we should think it is okay?

Gun control is acceptable in most of the world should that apply here also?

I could go on and on. If you want to argue that females should be aloud to go topless go ahead. Won't get a complaint from me But leave out what is acceptable in other countries because it is irrelevant.
What is so horrid about naked breasts, or even the naked human body?

Link Posted: 7/26/2011 8:34:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By JMD:
I personally do not care if she was topless or not. But those who are saying it is acceptable in most of the world I would also state who cares what is acceptable in the rest of the world.

In some parts of the world being a pedophile is acceptable does that mean we should think it is okay?

Gun control is acceptable in most of the world should that apply here also?

I could go on and on. If you want to argue that females should be aloud to go topless go ahead. Won't get a complaint from me But leave out what is acceptable in other countries because it is irrelevant.
What is so horrid about naked breasts, or even the naked human body?



I don't think he is saying anything is wrong with them. I think he is saying that bare chested ladies should be proud here on their own merits rather than based off of what is done elsewhere.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 8:47:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By xanadu:
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
OP here. Just to clarify, I never said the 14 year old didn't have breasts. Although I made an effort not to look directly, it was clear that she did in fact possess boobs.


OMG - a female with breasts!

Really OP, take trip on the culture express and have a glass of wine on the way.

The OP has no issue with breasts being bared on a public beach. The OP is upset by a system of laws that could render me a criminal through taking an innocent photo unintentionally depicting said breasts.
Federal law (18 USC § 2256) defines "child pornography" as a visual image depicting "sexually explicit conduct," which in turn is defined to include "lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person." 18 U.S.C. §§ 2256(8), 2256(2)(E). The six so-called Dost factors sometimes used to look at this question are:

1) whether the focal point of the visual depiction is on the child's genitalia or pubic area;
2) whether the setting of the visual depiction is sexually suggestive, i.e., in a place or pose generally associated with sexual activity;
3) whether the child is depicted in an unnatural pose, or in inappropriate attire, considering the age of the child;
4) whether the child is fully or partially clothed, or nude;
5) whether the visual depiction suggests sexual coyness or a willingness to engage in sexual activity;
6) whether the visual depiction is intended or designed to elicit a sexual response in the viewer.


A video of a topless 14 year old on the beach could run afoul of factors 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Case law is clear that not all factors need not be found present to support a conviction.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 8:54:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:

Originally Posted By xanadu:
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
OP here. Just to clarify, I never said the 14 year old didn't have breasts. Although I made an effort not to look directly, it was clear that she did in fact possess boobs.


OMG - a female with breasts!

Really OP, take trip on the culture express and have a glass of wine on the way.

The OP has no issue with breasts being bared on a public beach. The OP is upset by a system of laws that could render me a criminal through taking an innocent photo unintentionally depicting said breasts.
Federal law (18 USC § 2256) defines "child pornography" as a visual image depicting "sexually explicit conduct," which in turn is defined to include "lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person." 18 U.S.C. §§ 2256(8), 2256(2)(E). The six so-called Dost factors sometimes used to look at this question are:

1) whether the focal point of the visual depiction is on the child's genitalia or pubic area;
2) whether the setting of the visual depiction is sexually suggestive, i.e., in a place or pose generally associated with sexual activity;
3) whether the child is depicted in an unnatural pose, or in inappropriate attire, considering the age of the child;
4) whether the child is fully or partially clothed, or nude;
5) whether the visual depiction suggests sexual coyness or a willingness to engage in sexual activity;
6) whether the visual depiction is intended or designed to elicit a sexual response in the viewer.


A video of a topless 14 year old on the beach could run afoul of factors 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Case law is clear that not all factors need not be found present to support a conviction.

I know exactly what you are trying to say here. I don't know why others don't. Don't even bother trying to explain yourself, it isn't worth it.

Link Posted: 7/26/2011 9:03:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By Vaux:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


You've not traveled much outside the US, have you?


Man I am just tired of this argument. It is a thoughtless bit of snobbery that annoys the heck out of me. Who cares where he's traveled? In America, we have American values and beliefs. Just because you can be accepting of other cultures and their values when you are abroad doesn't mean you have to adopt them. That's like saying it's acceptable for any woman to give you a lapdance in front of your kids because you visited a stripclub once.

However, while I disagree with the basis of your argument, I also disagree with Vaux. When people travel outside their country, they should be respectful of the customs and values of the host nation. Since we are a nation governed by laws, value liberty above all things, and these tourists did not violate any laws, then I believe they were enjoying their personal liberties and should not be faulted for it. You can exercise your own liberty by moving further down the beach.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 9:13:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:

Originally Posted By xanadu:
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
OP here. Just to clarify, I never said the 14 year old didn't have breasts. Although I made an effort not to look directly, it was clear that she did in fact possess boobs.


OMG - a female with breasts!

Really OP, take trip on the culture express and have a glass of wine on the way.

The OP has no issue with breasts being bared on a public beach. The OP is upset by a system of laws that could render me a criminal through taking an innocent photo unintentionally depicting said breasts.
Federal law (18 USC § 2256) defines "child pornography" as a visual image depicting "sexually explicit conduct," which in turn is defined to include "lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person." 18 U.S.C. §§ 2256(8), 2256(2)(E). The six so-called Dost factors sometimes used to look at this question are:

1) whether the focal point of the visual depiction is on the child's genitalia or pubic area;
2) whether the setting of the visual depiction is sexually suggestive, i.e., in a place or pose generally associated with sexual activity;
3) whether the child is depicted in an unnatural pose, or in inappropriate attire, considering the age of the child;
4) whether the child is fully or partially clothed, or nude;
5) whether the visual depiction suggests sexual coyness or a willingness to engage in sexual activity;
6) whether the visual depiction is intended or designed to elicit a sexual response in the viewer.


A video of a topless 14 year old on the beach could run afoul of factors 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Case law is clear that not all factors need not be found present to support a conviction.

Could but likely wouldn't without the complicity of the person doing the recording.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 9:13:53 AM EST
Why not just make sure you don't video tape a naked person?
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 9:15:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By mcantu:
its only child porn if its sexual in nature.


tell that to parents who have been arrested for developing photos of babies in bathtubs..
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 9:57:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:

Now you see topless folks from time-to-time on the main beach




Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:02:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

For instance, I find my wife to be incredibly attractive. However, when she's walking around the house getting ready to go out and all she's wearing is a pair of panties (or nothing at all) it's not arousing to me. Mostly, I would guess, because she;'s busy finding the right bra or looking for a hair clip or something mundane, she's not trying to be sexy. It's the same with strange women, they don't suddenly become sexy just because I don't know them and they are nude.




youknowhowIknowyou'regay.jpg
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:04:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:10:14 AM EST
Violence is ok, making love is dirty.

Welcome to the USA.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:27:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By fiver:

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
Originally Posted By Lowjack545:

Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.



not every country is obsessed about hiding the human body as we are



when there's a 'fags suck' thread started, why does no one respond explaining that in europe no one seems to get their panties in a twist over two guys getting it on?

Because nobody likes faggots and everybody likes naked chicks.



in europe your post would be unacceptable
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:29:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/26/2011 10:30:11 AM EST by c86man]
I remember being a 13 year old on a beach in the Netherlands. I was with my dad, my brother, and my uncle and his wife. I was walking along the beach and suddenly realized that there were LOTS of shirts missing. As I was walking along the beach, all I saw were nasty saggy boobs. Then, we stopped to get ice cream at this little shop. Sunbathing about 6 feet away from me was this way hot girl laying on her stomach with only a thong. I was like, "oh please turn over, please turn over." Well, she did. That is what dreams are made of as a 13 year old.

The really funny thing, about 8 years later my brother (10 years older than me and we hadnt talked about it at the time) and I were talking about that day and realized we both were having the same dream come true.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:53:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
I would have looked. I might be the only one in this thread to admit it, but dammit, I'm human.


Hell I would have looked to (not stared, but look), like 14 year old girls can't be sexy, some are. I started dating my wife when she was 14 (I was 15 perverts), she was smoking hot at that age and fully ripe with a 36C chest, nothing childish about that at all.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:56:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By NineLivez:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


He said the seemed French, other countries are not so hung up on the naked body as Americans, we are a prudish lot.


this. I went on a cruise when I met a bunch of girls who I thought were my age (I was 20 at the time) in thongs late night in the hot tub. After talking, I find out they are 15. I ejected with a quickness, but damn, columbian chicks sure do age differently
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:58:56 AM EST
My wife has breast feed 3 of the last 4 years - people need to get over it.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 10:59:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By NineLivez:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


He said the seemed French, other countries are not so hung up on the naked body as Americans, we are a prudish lot.


This.

They probably didn't think anything of it.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 11:04:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By JMD:
I personally do not care if she was topless or not. But those who are saying it is acceptable in most of the world I would also state who cares what is acceptable in the rest of the world.

In some parts of the world being a pedophile is acceptable does that mean we should think it is okay?

Gun control is acceptable in most of the world should that apply here also?

I could go on and on. If you want to argue that females should be aloud to go topless go ahead. Won't get a complaint from me But leave out what is acceptable in other countries because it is irrelevant.
What is so horrid about naked breasts, or even the naked human body?


I don't think he is saying anything is wrong with them. I think he is saying that bare chested ladies should be proud here on their own merits rather than based off of what is done elsewhere.


Yep. You nailed it.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 11:06:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


In this country it might not be perceived as OK, but if they were in fact french and its a "custom" or the way they do things in their country...then they might not know the American view on such things....

I agree that its wrong, but it just may be thier thing
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 11:06:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By Twelvepack:
Originally Posted By Vaux:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


You've not traveled much outside the US, have you?


Man I am just tired of this argument. It is a thoughtless bit of snobbery that annoys the heck out of me. Who cares where he's traveled? In America, we have American values and beliefs. Just because you can be accepting of other cultures and their values when you are abroad doesn't mean you have to adopt them. That's like saying it's acceptable for any woman to give you a lapdance in front of your kids because you visited a stripclub once.

However, while I disagree with the basis of your argument, I also disagree with Vaux. When people travel outside their country, they should be respectful of the customs and values of the host nation. Since we are a nation governed by laws, value liberty above all things, and these tourists did not violate any laws, then I believe they were enjoying their personal liberties and should not be faulted for it. You can exercise your own liberty by moving further down the beach.




I concur with you on the point that it is irrelevant what is done in other countries. That is what I tried to say in an earlier post.

But the main obstacle in the US to women going topless is the women in this country. Most do not want other women to do this.

Most men would be fine with it.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 11:11:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By FS2000GUY:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


In this country it might not be perceived as OK, but if they were in fact french and its a "custom" or the way they do things in their country...then they might not know the American view on such things....

I agree that its wrong, but it just may be thier thing


I would have been nice and relayed to them that this is frowned upon by most of the American public. I would have done this out of courtesy not that I personally have a problem with it.

I would hope someone would do the same if I did something in another country that is not deemed acceptable by most of the population. Good way to stay out of trouble.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 11:12:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


In this country it might not be perceived as OK, but if they were in fact french and its a "custom" or the way they do things in their country...then they might not know the American view on such things....

I agree that its wrong, but it just may be their thing
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 11:16:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By FS2000GUY:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


In this country it might not be perceived as OK, but if they were in fact french and its a "custom" or the way they do things in their country...then they might not know the American view on such things....

I agree that its wrong, but it just may be their thing




That is why you tell them the customs of the country they are in so they do not get in trouble for ignorance.
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 2:47:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By mousehunter:
My wife has breast feed 3 of the last 4 years - people need to get over it.


I think that kid would be weaned by now...
Link Posted: 7/26/2011 3:28:22 PM EST
If I were you, I would destroy or edit ANY image of a young(under 18) topless girl you happen to have taken by accident. It's WAYYYYYYYY too easy for some DA looking to make his career to prosecute you, even if you did not mean to do so or had any sort of porn thing in mind. You really don't want "sex offender" on your record.

And yes, in the US, we are prudes. Human bodies, espc. females, are evil sexual creations that must be covered up! Modesty is the Rule, not the exception (Note:Sarcasm mode on).

Even if the family in question is Euro, they need to look into our laws. Granted, while I think they are stupidly Puritanical, they are the laws here and must be respected. In this country, a topless 14 year old is obscenity..so..keep the top on unless on a private Nude beach.
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