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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:08:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:08:32 PM EDT
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I will never purchase an Italian-made firearm again. Thanks for warning me.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:09:12 PM EDT
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Name some names.
And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:09:37 PM EDT
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wow. Thanks for the knowledge and good luck to you
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:11:50 PM EDT
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Well, hasn't Italy learned something from Greece?
I'm not laughing at Greece or Italy or any other European nation that has demonstrations. The Arab Spring has become the European Summer and is likely to turn into the American Fall (as in season of riots, not collapse). |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:13:57 PM EDT
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Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:14:44 PM EDT
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Thanks. Another reason I will never own a Beretta.
 The slide in the forehead thing was a turnoff but now.... |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:15:00 PM EDT
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Doesn't Benelli/Barreta make some aborted looking pistol gripped, mag fed black rifle?
This one, Benelli MR1 Carbine. 
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:15:50 PM EDT
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In the states they will tell you it's about jobs. +1 on the boycot
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:17:05 PM EDT
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this could be a very big deal to the cowboy action crowd.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:20:05 PM EDT
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I have not bought a Ruger or S&W since. I kept the ones I have but I will not buy another one. No worries to either of them I'm sure, but only because enough folks still buy from them that a few refusing isn't noticed.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:21:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. Yes. We want to know.  |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:22:05 PM EDT
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Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. Yes. We want to know.
yes this |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:23:52 PM EDT
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As a Cowboy Action Shooter.......is UBERTI in that group?
Armi San Marcos? Pietta? Pedersoli? DAMN!!!! 
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:24:44 PM EDT
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Don't see any names of manufacturers yet. Just to be safe, we should boycott ALL Italian gun makers. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:27:38 PM EDT
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i wasnt around when ruger and S&W sold people out. link so info or story?
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:29:31 PM EDT
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i wasnt around when ruger and S&W sold people out. link so info or story? Ruger supported the AW ban and S&W started putting locks in all their shit. Both companies are under new ownership since then, I believe. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:29:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Thanks for the quick and overwhelming responses guys. Yes, ParaFrame got it partially right.Quoted: Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. -Beretta Owns Benelli. Benelli is producing the fail-rifle called MR1. In the body of the new regulations rifles descending from military guns cannot have STANAG ( or standard ) mags, no compatible FCGs, nothing swappable with a select-fire or otherwise military variant of the model. Guess what the MR1 is? All of it. No STANAG mags, no standard FCG. Anyway it's not only Beretta, wich - months ago - used his power to modify the EXISTING export laws. -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp I'm trying to make a more comprehensive and detailed list. We've already contacted NRA, but being such a big lobby, I don't know how much they'll listen to us. If you're in contact with Italian gun manufacturers' reps, tell them the news have crossed the ocean that THEY SOULD US OUT. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:32:25 PM EDT
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Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. This 
e: thanks G. My typing is a bit slow. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:37:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: i wasnt around when ruger and S&W sold people out. link so info or story? Ruger supported the AW ban and S&W started putting locks in all their shit. Both companies are under new ownership since then, I believe. ah thanks. wont be buying them ever again unless i have to. and i wont be buying italian again either. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:38:19 PM EDT
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Thanks for the quick and overwhelming responses guys. Yes, ParaFrame got it partially right.
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Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. -Beretta Owns Benelli. Benelli is producing the fail-rifle called MR1. In the body of the new regulations rifles descending from military guns cannot have STANAG ( or standard ) mags, no compatible FCGs, nothing swappable with a select-fire or otherwise military variant of the model. Guess what the MR1 is? All of it. No STANAG mags, no standard FCG. Anyway it's not only Beretta, wich - months ago - used his power to modify the EXISTING export laws. -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp I kind of assumed they would make sure the law was written in a way that wouldn't ban their guns, just everyone elses. kind of like Bill Rugers support of the AW ban which, totally coincidentally I am sure, had his Mini series rifles removed from the bills original wording after he supported the bill. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:40:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Thanks for the quick and overwhelming responses guys. Yes, ParaFrame got it partially right.Quoted: Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. -Beretta Owns Benelli. Benelli is producing the fail-rifle called MR1. In the body of the new regulations rifles descending from military guns cannot have STANAG ( or standard ) mags, no compatible FCGs, nothing swappable with a select-fire or otherwise military variant of the model. Guess what the MR1 is? All of it. No STANAG mags, no standard FCG. Anyway it's not only Beretta, wich - months ago - used his power to modify the EXISTING export laws. -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp I'm trying to make a more comprehensive and detailed list. We've already contacted NRA, but being such a big lobby, I don't know how much they'll listen to us. If you're in contact with Italian gun manufacturers' reps, tell them the news have crossed the ocean that THEY SOULD US OUT. FU Zoli, you were in the running for my next O/U when I won the lottery. Not now.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:43:04 PM EDT
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Well those manufacturers will not get any money from me now.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:53:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thanks for the quick and overwhelming responses guys. Yes, ParaFrame got it partially right.Quoted: Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. -Beretta Owns Benelli. Benelli is producing the fail-rifle called MR1. In the body of the new regulations rifles descending from military guns cannot have STANAG ( or standard ) mags, no compatible FCGs, nothing swappable with a select-fire or otherwise military variant of the model. Guess what the MR1 is? All of it. No STANAG mags, no standard FCG. Anyway it's not only Beretta, wich - months ago - used his power to modify the EXISTING export laws. -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp I kind of assumed they would make sure the law was written in a way that wouldn't ban their guns, just everyone elses. kind of like Bill Rugers support of the AW ban which, totally coincidentally I am sure, had his Mini series rifles removed from the bills original wording after he supported the bill. You have to understand that 1) we don't have any domestic manufacturers of military / black rifles.. except one.. Beretta 2) Italy is FUDD COUNTRY and most of the shooters are from a hunting environment. Everything that's not fuddish is alarming. 3) the Consorzio Armaioli - aside from Pedersoli and Pietta - are mostly fine crafted, Italian style FUDD GUNS manufacturers, expensive and sold most exclusively on the US market. 4) the Consorzio Armaioli is just as anti-gun as your Californian average fudd. If it's not fer huntin', it has no place in Italy. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:54:16 PM EDT
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Those Italian gun companies are now dead to me.
BTW; the Smith and Wesson that exists today is NOT the same British owned company that signed the sell out agreement with the Clinton Administration. And Bill Ruger is dead and the company that still bears the Ruger name no longer adheres to his restrictive principles. Boycotting those two companies is absurd, they are good companies that manufacture some excellent guns and they are staunch supporters of firearms rights. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 1:58:43 PM EDT
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Is Benelli Italian?
ETA: Nevermind. Fuck Benelli and Beretta. They'll never see another dime from me. Neither will anything else with a "made in Italy" stamp. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:04:18 PM EDT
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I'd also like to add that if the NRA doesn't do anything about this, I would consider that pretty fucked up.
I know it's a US based organization but I'm sure there are members of it that are from Italy, therefore the NRA should become involved. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:06:49 PM EDT
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How else is Beretta going to get anyone to buy their sporting rifles?
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:07:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: You won't miss em. Is Benelli Italian? ETA: Nevermind. Fuck Benelli and Beretta. They'll never see another dime from me. Neither will anything else with a "made in Italy" stamp. I shot alot of sporting clays. Generally you had Browning people or Beretta People and then the exotics people. I never went over to Beretta though they are good shotguns. Fiocci can't even manufacture a shotgun shell box that the bottom doesn't fall out of. So I am of the school that Italians are the masters of cuisine, art, fashion and some literature. Firearms.....I'll go elsewhere for that. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:10:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Our local FISAT is trying to strenghten its ties more and more every time with NRA, I'd also like to add that if the NRA doesn't do anything about this, I would consider that pretty fucked up. I know it's a US based organization but I'm sure there are members of it that are from Italy, therefore the NRA should become involved. but I don't know how are they interested in International policies.. I'd also like to add the ANPAM ( Associazione Nazionale Produttori Armi e Munizioni, National Gunmakers and Ammunition Association ) isn't currently giving a shit about it. There has been a MASSIVE rain of e-mails to all concerned manufacturers and importers from us gun owners, and the answer from most if not ALL of them has been a laconic FORM EMAIL on the tones of "thanks for your concern, be advised that we aren't trying to throw you under the bus. Keep buying from us". |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:12:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: How else is Beretta going to get anyone to buy their sporting rifles? Italians haven't ever made more than .01% of their customer base. they don't give a shit. 90% of the Italian firearms production goes abroad, mostly USA. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:13:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: You won't miss em. Is Benelli Italian? ETA: Nevermind. Fuck Benelli and Beretta. They'll never see another dime from me. Neither will anything else with a "made in Italy" stamp. I shot alot of sporting clays. Generally you had Browning people or Beretta People and then the exotics people. I never went over to Beretta though they are good shotguns. Fiocci can't even manufacture a shotgun shell box that the bottom doesn't fall out of. So I am of the school that Italians are the masters of cuisine, art, fashion and some literature. Firearms.....I'll go elsewhere for that. But we can still make pistols for your army.  |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:15:50 PM EDT
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Can you still get American lowers into the country? Or has this already gone through?
I've got $15 towards a Larue lower for an Italian that is getting his import rights taken away. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:17:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: And shotguns for the USMC. But those poor guys are told what to use. I get to choose. Quoted: Quoted: You won't miss em. Is Benelli Italian? ETA: Nevermind. Fuck Benelli and Beretta. They'll never see another dime from me. Neither will anything else with a "made in Italy" stamp. I shot alot of sporting clays. Generally you had Browning people or Beretta People and then the exotics people. I never went over to Beretta though they are good shotguns. Fiocci can't even manufacture a shotgun shell box that the bottom doesn't fall out of. So I am of the school that Italians are the masters of cuisine, art, fashion and some literature. Firearms.....I'll go elsewhere for that. But we can still make pistols for your army.  |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:19:22 PM EDT
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Well I guess I'm not getting a 6in Chiappa Rhino to go with my 2in model now.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:19:42 PM EDT
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I was kinda interested in the Beretta ARX-160..................guess I will look elsewhere now
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:21:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Thanks for the quick and overwhelming responses guys. Yes, ParaFrame got it partially right.Quoted: Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. -Beretta Owns Benelli. Benelli is producing the fail-rifle called MR1. In the body of the new regulations rifles descending from military guns cannot have STANAG ( or standard ) mags, no compatible FCGs, nothing swappable with a select-fire or otherwise military variant of the model. Guess what the MR1 is? All of it. No STANAG mags, no standard FCG. Anyway it's not only Beretta, wich - months ago - used his power to modify the EXISTING export laws. -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp I'm trying to make a more comprehensive and detailed list. We've already contacted NRA, but being such a big lobby, I don't know how much they'll listen to us. If you're in contact with Italian gun manufacturers' reps, tell them the news have crossed the ocean that THEY SOULD US OUT. Well, I was considering buying one of those weird new revolvers Chiappa is making but not anymore. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:22:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Fuck Benelli and Beretta. That's too bad, I would have purchased both those brands eventually, probably not anymore.
ETA: Chiappa sucks they were fucked regardless. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:23:07 PM EDT
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So the Italian manufacturers made a deal with the devil in hopes ot making some short term profit?
Funny how those things tend to backfire in the long run. In the meantime I am very sorry for you and all of our Italian pro-gun/pro-freedom brethren. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:25:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp Stick a fork in those motherfuckers because they're about to reap the motherfucking Zumbo. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:25:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: we aren't permitted to build our own guns.Can you still get American lowers into the country? Or has this already gone through? I've got $15 towards a Larue lower for an Italian that is getting his import rights taken away. You've got to be a licensed manufacturer to do this. And go through proof-testing for every single firearm produced. So no, we MAY get some complete rifles ( whenever your Secretary of State allows it ) and, after all the ITAR bullshit paperwork is done, you wait 6mo. to an year to put your grubby hands on a Oly Arms Ar15 that costed you more than 2500USD. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:25:49 PM EDT
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The Benelli M2S90 and M4 were my first two choices for my new 3 gun shotgun...after reading this...they can suck it.
I'll be buying an FN SLP instead. CVN
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:25:58 PM EDT
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"Hate the sinner, love the hardware."
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:27:39 PM EDT
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Well, the Smith and Wesson thing wasn't a sell out (in my opinion) as much as it was a cave in.
Bill Clinton said that if the gun makers started putting features on their guns that the antis wanted then they would be exempted from the anti-gun lawsuits that were threatening to bankrupt the whole industry. Smith and Wesson gave in and put the locks and mag safeties on their guns. I forgave them for that and I carry a S&W pistol to this day. I continued to support them and will continue to support them. Bill Ruger is another matter all together. I do not, and never will own a Ruger thanks to him. I have bought Marlins, S&Ws and even Taurus handguns to spite Ruger. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:28:39 PM EDT
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Thanks for the quick and overwhelming responses guys. Yes, ParaFrame got it partially right.
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Name some names. And I won't buy a thing from any of those companies ever again. This. Name the traitors and they'll never see a dime of my money until they repent their evil and return the side of freedom and light. -Beretta Owns Benelli. Benelli is producing the fail-rifle called MR1. In the body of the new regulations rifles descending from military guns cannot have STANAG ( or standard ) mags, no compatible FCGs, nothing swappable with a select-fire or otherwise military variant of the model. Guess what the MR1 is? All of it. No STANAG mags, no standard FCG. Anyway it's not only Beretta, wich - months ago - used his power to modify the EXISTING export laws. -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp I'm trying to make a more comprehensive and detailed list. We've already contacted NRA, but being such a big lobby, I don't know how much they'll listen to us. If you're in contact with Italian gun manufacturers' reps, tell them the news have crossed the ocean that THEY SOULD US OUT. That's too bad. I really wanted a Chiappa RINO in .357 mag |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:29:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp Stick a fork in those motherfuckers because they're about to reap the motherfucking Zumbo. I'm not sure of the exact meaning of that, but it sounds painful. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:30:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: -Davide Pedersoli ( Black powder Pedersoli factory ) is the HEAD of the gunmakers representation at the Commission. Davide Pedersoli VOTED YES on "banning" new imports of black rifles. -All the participants to the Consorzio Armaioli Bresciani - the main gunmakers lobby: -Massimo Tanfoglio, of TANFOGLIO / EAA -LUCA RIZZINI of RIZZINI SHOTGUNS -Emanuele Sabatti of SABATTI -Paolo Zoli -Alberto Pietta of PIETTA -Rino Chiappa of CHIAPPA FIREARMS to name just the few most famous. http://www.armaiolibresciani.org/direttivo.jsp Stick a fork in those motherfuckers because they're about to reap the motherfucking Zumbo. Considering all of their money comes from the US the only way they'll get Zumbo'd is if we Americans do it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:32:38 PM EDT
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Wow.
I had an M4 on my want list. I guess I'll scratch that off. You should let them know that they're pissing off American gun owners as well- a far larger market than Italy.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:35:45 PM EDT
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Well, the Smith and Wesson thing wasn't a sell out (in my opinion) as much as it was a cave in. Bill Clinton said that if the gun makers started putting features on their guns that the antis wanted then they would be exempted from the anti-gun lawsuits that were threatening to bankrupt the whole industry. Smith and Wesson gave in and put the locks and mag safeties on their guns. I forgave them for that and I carry a S&W pistol to this day. I continued to support them and will continue to support them. Bill Ruger is another matter all together. I do not, and never will own a Ruger thanks to him. I have bought Marlins, S&Ws and even Taurus handguns to spite Ruger. I don't (and won't) own NEW Rugers. I buy them USED, so Ruger gets none of the profit.
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Posted: 7/23/2011 2:36:27 PM EDT
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Welp, no 10mm EAA witness now.
I'll just get another CZ, probably a Dan Wesson Razorback.
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