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Posted: 7/9/2011 8:11:10 AM EST
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I am thinking of getting a Saiga as my first Rifle, but I'm worried about getting it in 5.45x39. Because at some point all that surplus 5.45x39 will dry up, and I'm worried that there will be no domestic production (like the 7.62x39) to fill in the gap. Would it be better to get it .223/.308? Same goes for other 7.52x54R, 9x18, 7.62x25, and etc.
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I think 5.45 will be available, but the really cheap surplus will dry up someday just like 556 and 308 has.
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For the price of 5.45, buy two or three crates and be set for a looooong time....
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Its been coming in by the shipload for well over a decade. It is cheap as it can be and the stockpile overseas is enormous. Just buy a pile of it and stop worrying. I have 11,000 rounds of it in the basement.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 8:14:33 AM EST
domestic 5.45 is available now, and current production imported 5.45 non corrosive ammo is widely available

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Posted: 7/9/2011 8:15:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
I think 5.45 will be available, but the really cheap surplus will dry up someday just like 556 and 308 has.


5.45 is becoming pretty popular due to its cheapness, once the surplus runs out a few companies will still produce it. IIRC the Russian Mil still uses it, not sure about the Polish or Bulgarians.

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I wouldn't worry about it. But I would recommend buying it cheap and stacking it deep to take advantage of the current price.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 8:23:57 AM EST
5.45 drying up Could 7N6 get banned, maybe. If it does, commercial rounds will take it's place. Aim Surplus has Silver Bear 5.45 and Hornady makes commercial 5.45 rounds.

Russia, Bulgaria, and Ukraine currently uses 7N6 rounds for their military, that's like saying will M855 dry up in the U.S. Like I stated earlier, the only thing that will stop 7N6 from being imported is another ban.

Let's look at 7.62x39... Yugo M67 is the only mil-spec round being imported these days. It's funny how you can still get Wolf, Brown Bear, Silver Bear, Golden Tiger, etc imported from Russia.

If you are really worried, buy cheap and stack deep. I have 7 cases of 7N6 so I'm not really worried about it.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 8:31:42 AM EST
I thought the same thing when I bought my SAR2 4 years ago. 1000$ in ammo at current prices should last you a loooonnnggggg time.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 8:35:56 AM EST
It is really easy to stock up on. Buy a spam can every few months and you can pile up several thousand rounds no problem. 5.45 is still the standard service round for several nations so it will not be going away.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 8:44:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By CWO:
Its been coming in by the shipload for well over a decade. It is cheap as it can be and the stockpile overseas is enormous. Just buy a pile of it and stop worrying. I have 11,000 rounds of it in the basement.


That's it?


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Brian from AIM said there is still a ton of it overseas. It is being made domestically now as well. Cheap surplus will be around a while. Buy it cheap and stack it deep.
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Get the gun and shoot it til all the cheap stuff is gone, then sell it. Realistically it's an AK and surplus ammo, not exactly an investment type firearm. I have a Tantal, I love it, and if the ammo dries up, I'll miss it.

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Yeah, I used to worry about that:


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I would only be concerned about a total ammo import ban. Buy enough to last your for years and years.
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Originally Posted By Dawg180:
For the price of 5.45, buy two or three crates and be set for a looooong time....

That's what I did. I've got a little over 10,000 rounds of canned milsurp 5.45 and I don't even own an AK in that caliber...yet.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 9:16:53 AM EST
People have been saying this for the last 15yrs...plenty of 5.45 to go around.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 9:33:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By CWO:
Its been coming in by the shipload for well over a decade. It is cheap as it can be and the stockpile overseas is enormous. Just buy a pile of it and stop worrying. I have 11,000 rounds of it in the basement.



Good. A challenge to meet and beat. If I wasn't broke I would challenge you to a First to 25,000 event.

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Posted: 7/9/2011 9:58:47 AM EST
Its still in production and the current caliber of several militarys why do you think its going to dry up?
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Posted: 7/9/2011 10:01:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By Makarov92:
I am thinking of getting a Saiga as my first Rifle, but I'm worried about getting it in 5.45x39. Because at some point all that surplus 5.45x39 will dry up, and I'm worried that there will be no domestic production (like the 7.62x39) to fill in the gap. Would it be better to get it .223/.308? Same goes for other 7.52x54R, 9x18, 7.62x25, and etc.

It's so funny. I remember back in the 90's people saying they wouldn't buy an AK because there's 'no domestic source' of 7.62x39
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Its still in production and the current caliber of several militarys why do you think its going to dry up?


Some don't seem to understand that. It's still a current production caliber for a still issued firearm. There's nothing "surplus" about it.

I just bought 3- 2160rd cases and still had 3 cases unopened in the basement. Was given 3-1000rd cases of Wolf HP that shoots great through both my '74s.

I just wish someone could find more 7.62x51. I don't fire my Radway Green ammo I have laid back due to that fact. Y2K set me up on that stuff. The summer afterwards was a happy time at yard sales. I just use reloads for my FALs
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maybe we could get some of the better 7N family but anyway I wish they'd produce this in none magnetic form
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Get it now, before Obama shuts down imported ammo.


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Remember when we could get 7.62x25 for 6 cents a round four months ago? It went from available to critical in a weeks time, and now is non-existent except for the few guys that are selling their stash on Gunbroker and so forth for THREE-AND-A-HALF-TIMES what it went for just four months ago.

Just goes to show, ammo supplies can get critical fast.

I believe there should be more surplus 7.62x25 coming in sometime in the future, but I don't know exactly when.

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Buy 11,000 rds and be happy.

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I sold my Arsenal SGL-31s and am sitting on about 4,000 rounds. I intend to sell it when I get home from Kuwait here in a couple of months. Let me know if you're interested.
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Originally Posted By StevesZZ5:
Remember when we could get 7.62x25 for 6 cents a round four months ago? It went from available to critical in a weeks time, and now is non-existent except for the few guys that are selling their stash on Gunbroker and so forth for THREE-AND-A-HALF-TIMES what it went for just four months ago.

Just goes to show, ammo supplies can get critical fast.

I believe there should be more surplus 7.62x25 coming in sometime in the future, but I don't know exactly when.


Exactly. If you can get many crates of it, DO IT.

Four little words and a signature would stop 99% of 5.45x39mm out there.

Domestic 5.45mm would either be Hornady or reloads. If 'H' wants 35 cents a round now, imagine paying a buck a round, easily.
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Originally Posted By Dawg180:
For the price of 5.45, buy two or three crates and be set for a looooong time....

That's what I did. I've got a little over 10,000 rounds of canned milsurp 5.45 and I don't even own an AK in that caliber...yet.


Glad to know that I'm not the only one buying ammo (and mags) in a caliber I don't even own a gun for yet.


Ironically enough I just came from a gun store where I overheard two employees discussing how the 5.45 is drying up. Likely it will be temporary if at all; another place had 4 tins of 5.45 but no 7.62 available.
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Get it now, before Obama shuts down imported ammo.


In a statement from the WH: New gun safety regulations in a few weeks.







What's that have to do with safety?
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Originally Posted By Makarov92:
I am thinking of getting a Saiga as my first Rifle, but I'm worried about getting it in 5.45x39. Because at some point all that surplus 5.45x39 will dry up, and I'm worried that there will be no domestic production (like the 7.62x39) to fill in the gap. Would it be better to get it .223/.308? Same goes for other 7.52x54R, 9x18, 7.62x25, and etc.


something i learned long ago...buy it cheap and stack it deep.
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Originally Posted By UndoingRuin:
Originally Posted By DSRV:
Get it now, before Obama shuts down imported ammo.


In a statement from the WH: New gun safety regulations in a few weeks.







What's that have to do with safety?

Didn't you know? Mild steel core ammo shoots through entire kindergarten classrooms, engine blocks, and start nuclear sized wild fires!
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Originally Posted By UndoingRuin:
Originally Posted By DSRV:
Get it now, before Obama shuts down imported ammo.


In a statement from the WH: New gun safety regulations in a few weeks.







What's that have to do with safety?

Didn't you know? Mild steel core ammo shoots through entire kindergarten classrooms, engine blocks, and start nuclear sized wild fires!


Ban those baby-seeking, cop killing, ozone layer destroying bullets... it's for the children.
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Originally Posted By N1Rampage:

Originally Posted By UndoingRuin:
Originally Posted By DSRV:
Get it now, before Obama shuts down imported ammo.


In a statement from the WH: New gun safety regulations in a few weeks.







What's that have to do with safety?

Didn't you know? Mild steel core ammo shoots through entire kindergarten classrooms, engine blocks, and start nuclear sized wild fires!


Ban those baby-seeking, cop killing, ozone layer destroying bullets... it's for the children.



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Originally Posted By N1Rampage:

Originally Posted By UndoingRuin:
Originally Posted By DSRV:
Get it now, before Obama shuts down imported ammo.


In a statement from the WH: New gun safety regulations in a few weeks.







What's that have to do with safety?

Didn't you know? Mild steel core ammo shoots through entire kindergarten classrooms, engine blocks, and start nuclear sized wild fires!


Ban those baby-seeking, cop killing, ozone layer destroying bullets... it's for the children.

Excuse me, sir, it's called Climate Change!
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Originally Posted By Makarov92:
I am thinking of getting a Saiga as my first Rifle, but I'm worried about getting it in 5.45x39. Because at some point all that surplus 5.45x39 will dry up, and I'm worried that there will be no domestic production (like the 7.62x39) to fill in the gap. Would it be better to get it .223/.308? Same goes for other 7.52x54R, 9x18, 7.62x25, and etc.

cheap ass 5.45 will be available for a long time. And even if the surplus went dry tomorrow, there is still really cheap 5.45 by wolf, brown bear, and silver bear.

Prices were increasing alittle bit to 150 a box, then we got a ton more and it went down to 120-130. The price will fluctuate like that for awhile.