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Link Posted: 5/26/2011 4:40:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2011 4:41:17 PM EDT by SecurityForcesmember]
Originally Posted By Omni:
Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:
The tents wouldn't bother me as much as the open platforms. No.

http://i56.tinypic.com/dphiex.jpg


All the tents are is a rainfly on the platforms.

As for taking a dump you are supposed to go in a brown bag and then shove it into a PVC pipe to haul it off when you leave. Not nice to look up and take a face full because some jerk above doesn't care about hygiene or the environment.


Sooooo, pooing in the woods harms the environment?
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 4:47:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SecurityForcesmember:
Originally Posted By Omni:
Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:
The tents wouldn't bother me as much as the open platforms. No.

http://i56.tinypic.com/dphiex.jpg


All the tents are is a rainfly on the platforms.

As for taking a dump you are supposed to go in a brown bag and then shove it into a PVC pipe to haul it off when you leave. Not nice to look up and take a face full because some jerk above doesn't care about hygiene or the environment.


Sooooo, pooing in the woods harms the environment?


Im guessing somehow now shitting and paper bags are hard on ol mother Earth.

Plastic PolyVinylChloride, with shit and paper inside it, tossed into a landfill and left to lay for the next 100 years is GREEN as it fuckin gets though!
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 4:57:14 PM EDT
Looks like a well organized belay to me. The sleeping is the easy part. The logistics of hauling all that shit with you and keeping it organized is the real challenge. You learn systems and repetition breeds efficiency. My big wall days are over but I've done some multi-day stuff in Yosemite and Zion. I miss it.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 5:12:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2011 5:13:59 PM EDT by Omni]
A bag of poop and poop in general are not bad for the environment. A pile 3 feet tall at the cliff base from thousand of climbers a year tossing their crap is bad for MY environment and health when I have to walk through it. Also climbing around on the rock and shoving your hand in for a jam is no fun if there is a pile of crap shoved in there after the bag got wet.

ETA: technically on the PVC tube it is supposed to have a bag liner so when done you can pull the bag out and reuse the pipe on a latter climb.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 5:43:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PinePig:
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
What if you have to take a dump in the middle of the night?


Well you used to take a dump in a paper lunch sack and wing it as far away from the cliff as possible. Now they carry big PVC tubes and place the waste in them ( at least in Yosemite ).

NEVER EVER walk near the base of ElCapitan first thing in the morning.


At that height I'd have to use a plastic bag because my shit would be pretty damn watery

Link Posted: 5/26/2011 5:54:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:
Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
Wife likes to get it on in the tent.....so no sheer cliff camping for us


there's actually a porn of two people having sex while hanging on ropes off a cliff

Rule 43

and FUCK THAT.

Link Posted: 5/26/2011 5:57:54 PM EDT
No sir. I don't like it.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 5:59:23 PM EDT
Looks like a whole lot of stupid.

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Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:05:46 PM EDT
Porta-ledge's FTW, motherfuckers!



Overhangs are what scare the fuck outta me.


Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:08:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USMC6177:
Yea fuck that


What he said.

FUCK that.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:08:27 PM EDT
The guys over in the "I don't like motorcycles" thread think I have a deathwish because I ride on the street...
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:10:16 PM EDT
If you put a gun to my head and told me to do that, I'd gladly take the shot to the face.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:37:50 PM EDT
And here I thought Arfcom was full of manly men. Buncha damn girls up in here.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:41:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Necessity is the mother of invention...


What need is there to camp on the side of a cliff. Last time I checked we have flat spots on this planet.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:43:40 PM EDT
i love camping, but FUCK that.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:45:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mcnizzle:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Necessity is the mother of invention...


What need is there to camp on the side of a cliff. Last time I checked we have flat spots on this planet.


If you're climbing a wall that takes more than day to climb, you might find the need to sleep on occasion.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:46:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:55:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MotorMouth:
Originally Posted By mcnizzle:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Necessity is the mother of invention...


What need is there to camp on the side of a cliff. Last time I checked we have flat spots on this planet.


If you're climbing a wall that takes more than day to climb, you might find the need to sleep on occasion.


I don't think I could ever get to sleep hanging off the side of a cliff.

It's cool though. Definitely an interesting hobby.

Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:57:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Necessity is the mother of invention...

The ground right below where they're hanging looks perfectly adequate to pitch a tent.

Where's that necessity part come in?

Looks more to be a "because it's there" white-guy problem.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:59:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Illysium:
Originally Posted By MotorMouth:
Originally Posted By mcnizzle:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Necessity is the mother of invention...


What need is there to camp on the side of a cliff. Last time I checked we have flat spots on this planet.


If you're climbing a wall that takes more than day to climb, you might find the need to sleep on occasion.


I don't think I could ever get to sleep hanging off the side of a cliff.

It's cool though. Definitely an interesting hobby.



I've never bivouacked on a portaledge, but you'd be surprised what you can get used to once you learn to trust your gear.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 6:59:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 7:02:17 PM EDT
You should see how far up they are in person on the big wall at Zion. If is wasn't for the bright colors you would never see them they are so small.
The amount of endurance to climb that high is amazing.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 7:05:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Illysium:
Originally Posted By MotorMouth:
Originally Posted By mcnizzle:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Necessity is the mother of invention...


What need is there to camp on the side of a cliff. Last time I checked we have flat spots on this planet.


If you're climbing a wall that takes more than day to climb, you might find the need to sleep on occasion.


I don't think I could ever get to sleep hanging off the side of a cliff.

It's cool though. Definitely an interesting hobby.



After a full day of climbing and hauling that pig up behind you, you'll sleep just fine. Trust me.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 7:22:35 PM EDT
Absolutely NOT, no way.
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 7:23:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2011 9:15:48 PM EDT by EastcARstle]

Originally Posted By Prime:
Originally Posted By Cowboy1967:
There is no mother fucking way I would out there doing that.. Sorry but it ain't going to happen!!! Wasn't it in one of the stan countries that some rock climber were take captive while camping out on a cliff like that.. I think it was in Jerkoffastan or some place like that..


Tommy Caldwell and Beth Rodden, in Kyrgyzstan. They waited until one of the guys left and then pushed the other one off a cliff.


Wow... here's another picture of Beth Rodden that kind of goes with the theme of this thread:



... and she's athletic, young, pretty, adventurous, and freshly divorced... yum
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 7:27:04 PM EDT
wake up on the wrong side of the bed and your entire day would be screwed
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 7:38:34 PM EDT
Fuck that shit!!!!
Link Posted: 5/26/2011 8:03:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2011 8:08:21 PM EDT by L_JE]
I've bivi'd on a wall sort of like that in the NWT of Canada. Even met Gordon Wiltse [the photog] on that trip. No, Gordon wasn't our photog, nor was our climb as hard as that one on Great Sail Peak.

Water. Water is going to be your biggest problem. IIRC, we had 63 liters of water between the three of us for 6 days. The haulbag containing the water weighed as much as I did, and the only way I could haul it was to invert myself at the anchors and push against the anchors with my feet whle facing towards the ground; my body weight alone wouldn't cut it with a 1:1 hauling rig, and rigging a 2:1 just took too long. It was a pretty miserable day or two of hauling until we cleared the lower slabs and made it onto the steeper headwall.

Water is also a problem when you get hit by a storm. I was surprised by how much water a snowstorm produced on a wall like that. The ropes get soaked, and eventually those fancy rianflys start to wick water into the middle of the portaledge. The guys a few miles on the other side of the ridge from us got hit with 17 inches of snow one night. I think we only got 4 or 5 inches.

It was a constant struggle to stay warm, stay dry, and keep from burning everything to bits with the stove at the end of the day. Nothing says excitement like a boiling pot of water hanging above your crotch.

If you could suppress your fear for a minute, and take in a deep breath while way out on the lead end of the rope, it was a magnificent feeling to take in the view.

ETA:
Gordon makes a mention of Galen Rowell and his Mountain Light Art Gallery. Here's some of Galen's work...
http://www.toddskinner.com/Gallery/pages/NWT_10.htm
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